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A78005	A vindication of Mr Burroughes, against Mr Edwards his foule aspersions, in his spreading Gangræna, and his angry Antiapologia. Concluding with a briefe declaration what the Independents would have. / By Jer: Burroughes.	Burroughs, Jeremiah, 1599-1646.	1646 (1646)	Wing B6126; Thomason E345_14; ESTC R200993	27,250	36

another The one saying If there were that in the Petition that I objected he would have no hand in it the other of them said to his friend Certainly there is that in it And after that onely one company more came that I remember where one an eminent Presbyterian a great friend to M. Edwards went away so satisfied as he after professed he never received more satisfaction in any thing he had scrupled and that with these reasons I gave him he had satisfied two Ministers who before were of another mind and yet it seems some were pleased to tell Master Edwards I said little it was easie for them to say so when they were gone and themselves must be the Judges of what I said and of what I affirmed I refused none that came to me but if I were at home spake with and debated the matter at large I was abroad onely when one company came of which I after had any notice which was at the time of the Assembly where I was yet my wife earnestly desired them to come in the afternoone and told them I should very willingly confer with them and two of that company did come with whom I conferred at large neere foure houres although M. Edwards is pleased to say I spake little but my wife much whereas my speech was not onely so long but had that influence upon two of them as is before mentioned and I remember not that my wife was with them or made any stay but after so much time spent as shee thought it was time to break off she brought them a cup of beere and staid while they were drinking or very little more But can any man think but it must be very tedious for a man who hath any thing to doe to spend time in answering such bables as these and yet because even these bables take with vaine spirits who willingly catch at every thing something must be said if it be but to please children Thus have I wearyed my selfe and it may be the Reader in these personall things of all books I never cared to read books of this nature The Lord deliver me from such an implacable furious spirit as this M. Edwards hath that I may have no more to doe with him If he pretends at any time to deale in a rationall way he mingles such personall things as must needs make it tedious for any man of ingenuity who hath any thing of weight to take up his head or heart to meddle with him Let any man write a rationall discourse acknowledged by themselves to have much strength in it against that way so much opposed and then let them complaine if they have no Answer Some few things have been published this way and most of them have had Answers and when God gives further liberty from other occasions further Answer shall appeare in publique But is it possible for so few of us having so many things lye upon us to attend the Answer to every Pamphlet that comes out against us That extreme eagernesse and violence in Master Edwards M. Vicars and others to asperse our names makes us to think that God hath made more use of our names then we were aware of and shall be an argument to quicken us to more watchfulnesse to walk inoffensively and convincingly before all men For we see by their anger even almost to madnesse bent that way that they had little hope to prevaile with all their arguments against the cause wee professe till they could get downe our esteeme such as it was in the hearts of the people The old way of the Heathens against the Christians in the Primitive times and of the Prelates against the Presbyterians when time was But our names are not in the power of their tongues and pens they are in the hands of God who will preserve them so farre as he hath use of them and further we shall have no use of them our selves There is also one M. Bellamy while he would seeme to be Londons Remonstrating Champion he has nibbled at me To whom I say 1. That I am perswaded I stand cleere in his conscience whatsoever I am in his book 2. If what he objects against me be an Error yet surely it hath nothing to doe with the point of Independencie of Church-Government there is no connection between the one and the other yet he brings it in to shew the Principles of such Independents 3. If it were Independencie yet it runnes not parallel with those mens opinions he had mentioned before who he sayes hold That If the Parliament have been any way unfaithfull and unserviceable to the Publique or but groundedly suspected so to be which all the world knowes that knowes these mens minds they will quickly be ready to doe if in any thing they please not their Palats that then those that chose and sent them may have liberty to choose more faithfull able and better men in their places Now sayes he consider these mens Tenets He charges them to tend to utter confusion of all order power Government in Church and Common-wealth and I will give you an instance sayes he of one naming my selfe in my Answer to D. Ferne. But will his instance reach to that he brings it for to shew me to be one of those men he mentioned before for 1. In that he sayes of me doe not I say if the Parliament should grow tyrannicall particular men cannot help themselves 2. The whole State should suffer much before it should help it selfe by any wayes of resisting 3. If you can suppose a Parliament so far to degenerate 4. That they should conspire to destroy the Kingdomes 5. That they should aime at themselves so farre as to possesse the Lands and riches of the Kingdome to themselves 6. What the Kingdome should doe I determine not but leave to the light of nature to judge Now is this parallel to the former opinion he mentioned am I one of those men doth this tend unavoidably to utter confusion of all order power government in Church and Common-weath 7. Let M. Bellamie first give a better Answer to that Objection before he finds fault with mine Oh how tedious is it to spend time to follow these vain men and that we must needs answer to these peevish objections What I have done in a way of just Apologie for my selfe you may expect from my Brethren from some very shortly from others as their occasions shall permit no wayes questioning but they are able to set themselves right in the consciences of conscientious men But you will say we had rather see what you would have what your Cause is then this vindication of your Persons Ans We freely grant the truth is to be regarded a thousand times more then our Persons and did not we beleeve that such a Vindication might be usefull to make way into your hearts for the receiving the truth we would never have taken this course but should rather have been willing to have

make us members of the Church These things are so palpably plaine to any that will understand that it is tedious to spend time about them He sayes further in the same page that I preaching before the Lord Major and Aldermen preached for a Toleration of all Sects and Opinions so they were not against Fundamentals in Doctrine and Fundamentals in Civil Government Ans Then I did not preach for an universall an unlimited toleration of all Religions of all things as both my selfe and others are very sinfully reported to doe What was the way of getting hands to a late Petition in London but this when some went from house to house Who are you for Are you for Presbytery or Independencie Many answering They knew not what Independencie was The Hand-gatherers replyed Independents are such as would have no Government as would have all Religions all Blasphemiss and Heresies tolerated as would live under no Laws Oh say they No we are not for them we will set our hands against them and thus hands might easily multiply Yea this is the weapon by which Ministers in their Pulpits where no body can answer them fight against Independency with But is this faire Doe not your consciences condemne you in this thing For my part as I never was so I now am not for a toleration of all things nay I should be loth to live in England if ever it should be here I doe and shall pray and endeavour against it But what I said before the Lord Major and the Aldermen had I been a Presbyterian I should have said it and were I a Presbyterian I should say it againe The Presbyteriall way had once need of such a doctrine and may have need of it againe I remember not the words that then I spoke but this I remember what I said was from the 14. to the Rom. and I am sure I have since said and published in that Treatise of Heart-Divisions three times as much about that Argument and that Scripture and yet I beleeve many hundreds of Presbyterians think what I have published there to be true doctrine onely M. Edwards has so much of the Prelacy and violence in him that he cannot digest it As for my Lectures that are printed upon Hesea that he mentions page 220. I am not willing to spend time in answering he mentions no particular words but refers you to the Lectures and pages They are to be seene I refer my selfe to all moderate Presbyterians let them judge whether there be any thing there that may not stand with Presbyterian Principles Never any have appeared against those Lectures but M. Edwards and lately M. John Vicars I reverence and teach others to reverence old age but it must know there are many infirmities attending it it is fitter for devotion then that it should interest it selfe in matters of contention If M. Vicars had told me some experiences of the work of God upon his soule or of the good providences of God towards his people and himselfe in the course of his life I should have diligently observed them and I hope might have got good by them But oh how unbecomming old age is that spirit of contention that appeares in his Bookes if he thinks those places he has cited will serve his turne surely his skill in Presbyterie is not great my pen was running in a hard expression but I will not provoke the old man yet I must be plaine with him How uncomely is it for an old Professor of Piety and Religion to be found jeering and scorning at Piety and Religion who would have thought that ever M. Vicars should have lived to that day Thus he does in the Frontispice of his Booke The names of the five pious Apologists and the names of the seven Religious Remonstrants Whereas the chiefe scope of his Book is to cast dirt upon these Apologists and Remonstrants Certainly the spirit of the man is much altered from what he heretofore seemed to be Can it become the gravity and wisdome of old age to charge and that publiquely his Brethren of unworthy double dealing of unfaithfulnesse upon no other ground then the relation of one man and that relation but upon one witnesse and yet this very witnesse gives it under his hand that what these men that he charges thus hath said is true and why must he charge Master Greenhill too Surely he did not thinke what he did for all that M. Greenhill said was he wondred to see such a thing in Master Edwards his Booke as a Relation of a meeting concluded of about Nicols where I and he M. Edwards sayes were what doublenesse or unfaithfulnesse in this for not onely M. Edwards his witnesse sayes he never told him so and such a thing never was but M. Edwards now confesses it Is there then weight enough for such a charge of M. Vicars not onely upon me but upon M. Greenhil The Lord I hope will cause M. Vicars to see cause to be humbled for this In the close of all me thinkes I see M. Edwards in M. Bellamies shop fretting and vaporing I will answer him I that I will I will reply I that I will like one Pise Jerome speaks of who though he knew not what to say yet he knew not how to hold his peace M. Edwards may be bold enough in Answering for I am perswaded he beleeves I will hardly ever be brought to trouble my self about him He is so foule who can meddle with him without dirtying his fingers I am resolved rather to lye under many prejudices and censures and commit my name and cause to God then to trouble my selfe further with him Though I will not fully conclude never to doe any thing further about him in publique yet this I engage my selfe unto that if any thing in what he has said or shall say shall stick in the hearts of any conscientious who desire satisfaction if they will but make it knowne to any that have or ever had any acquaintance with me I will if it be desired give them satisfaction in it but I confesse I am loth to promise this to strangers I have been so traduced by strangers who have come to me for satisfaction in some cases of conscience For instance in that about a late Petition of some of the Citizens which M. Edwards mentions page 110. of the first part of his Gangraena where he sayes some came to me the day after I preached to be satisfied about it who he sayes put me hard to it I confesse I spent neere foure houres with one company who came to me about it yet Master Edwards sayes I said little It may be some of them reported so How easie is it for any to come to be resolved in a case of conscience and when they are gone to say He said little Yet to those four who then came to me there was so much said that two of them went away satisfied and the other two fell off contradicting one