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A80400	The old proverbe, as good be a knave, as amongst knaves (though Committee men) is debated, and concluded to be false, by Francis Cooke, and Thomas Gualter, as they were riding between London and Cambridge, and conferring upon this proverb, and many other things usefull for all to know, but more especially for some in authority. In which conference the innocent, and such as have stood for the truth, are made known and commended, and the nocent and such as use deceit and falshood are discovered, and left to bear their deserved shame and punishment. As also the cruel and unreasonable doings of some Committee men, and others, against good men, and such as have been most forward for the Parliament: some of their abuses stript, which deserve to be whipt.	Cooke, Francis, of Cambridge?,; Gualter, Thomas.	1646 (1646)	Wing C6009; Thomason E316_3; ESTC R200520	22,111	16

abhominable in their doings and they have wronged your brother exceedingly for as you say the ordinance for sequestration doth intend allowance for necessary charges and pains but if it did not it seemes each of them had more in their hands at the same time then your brother was to be accountable for but what did your brother do when he heard of it did he not desire his goods again untill there might be a fair tryall and know for what cause they sequestred him C. Yea what I have told you is most true and I 'le tell you what my brother did the first 2. or 3. daies he could not tell what to think upon it that his cattle should be driven away nor by what authority nor for what cause at last he heard by the authority of Ia. Whinnell L. Voyce and Ric. Ponsonby his fellow Sequestrators and W. Nichols their Collector and that it was for this 100.l he received of Ion. Dunch as you heard it and then he sent some neighbours and friends to desire of them that he might have his milch cowes again his plow and cart horses and mares for his present use and he would put them in what security they would require that they should be forth comming the last of Sept. then next following in case he did not betwixt that and then which was about 8. weeks between bring an order to have them again they peremptorily refused yet my brother staid a while longer before he went to London to complain thinking they had not been so far transported with rage but upon cold blood they would have yeelded to so reasonable a request but after he perceived they had sold them up he goeth to London and doth petition the Lords and Commons for sequestration who after some weeks attendance referred it to the standing Committee at Cambridge to send for the parties on both sides and their witnesses and examine them and end or certifie within a moneth G. Is it possible they should refuse to let him have his milch cowes plow and cart horses and mares those necessary cattle upon security and that but for 8. weeks this makes them more and more odious and I think if these things be proved they will be judged to be unfit men to be imployed in any office under the Parliament But what did the Committee at Cambridge in it C. My brother saith he is bound to honour that Committee for their justice for after they had examined 5. or 6. witnesses on his behalf they perceived that malice was the cause they sequestred his goods but because I. Whinnell did alleadge that they could not have their witnesses there although they had warning and time enough and did further alleadge that he must of necessity go to London so that the month would be out which was the time limitted to end the busines the Committee did not fully end it then but ordered that for the present my brother should have his milch cowes plow and cart horses and mares again they being sold but for 40.l as themselves confessed the Committee being informed that the parties that had bought them considering how my brother was wronged were willing he should have them again and further ordered that his other goods which were unsold should not be sold untill the cause was fully heard and that if they did prove sequestrable my brother should pay the said 40 l. to the State G. What hath your brother done hath he yet got longer time of the Committee of Lords and Commons that the gentlemen at Cambridge might hear it out and determine it C. Not as yet for they would not obey the order of the Committee of Cambridge untill very lately that they heard they were like to be sent for up to answer their contempt before the Committee of Lords and Commons I. Whinnell being so far from obeying the order of Committee of Lords and Commons that since their order of reference to the standing Committee at Cambridge he hath forged a warrant and counterfeited hands and sent men into Norfolk with that forged warrant hath taken 40. coombe of cole-seed from my brother which grew there where he had nothing to do to sequester pretending in the warrant he took it for the State but caused it to be brought into his own chamber at Wisbeech and then said he had a right to it himself this forged warrant my brothers sonne did get from the men and it is to be seene with the counterfet hands besides insteed of obeying the order of Committee of Lords and Commons and of the Committee of Cambridge they did still proceed and seized upon my brothers wheat imprisoned and fined those that did help him to make money for the reliefe of him and his family notwithstanding that the much honoured Governour of the Isle at my brothers request required them to forbear and yeeld obedience to the said orders And now my brother hath voluntarily sent in his accounts in particular to the Commissioners for the accounts of Cambridgeshire where it will evidently appear that my brother was to be accountable but onely for 87.l 6 s. 6.d of the States money before they sequestred his goods which being not so much as he expended in the States service in two years upon necessary charges it must needs follow that he had not one penny of the States money in his hand when they sequestred his goods as I said unto you before which when the standing Committee at Cambridge perceive plainly to be so they cannot but in justice restore to my brother all his goods again they being so unjustly taken from him and allow him for reparation of his losses his dammage being very great in his estate besides what he hath been damnified in his credit which is not a little a good name being better then precious ointment as Solomon saith G. Some say Ia. Whinnell gave it forth he would not have sequestred your brothers goods but that he was the cause to hinder his brother in law for preaching any more at Wisbeech and they further say that very many there are much imbittered against your brother for that C. Yea I heard that Ia. Whinnell did say so but I do not beleeve for all his saying that that was the cause alone but it is true that many people thereabout are much inraged against my brother for that but they have no reason so to be I hope they will see their errors one day and be sorry for them G. I le tell you now the particulars they reckon up against your brother they do not let to say he hath beene a contentious man most part of his time and they instance in these following First he contended with Vicar Giles 12. yeares together and with his son in law Tho. Wilson not only about the Ship money but also about Trespasses and that your brother almost alone in the countrey opposed the paying of the said Ship-money in so much that men were constrained to distraine him

THE OLD PROVERBE As good be a Knave as amongst Knaves though Committee men is debated and concluded to be false by Francis Cooke and Thomas Gualter as they were riding between London and Cambridge and conferring upon this proverb and many other things usefull for all to know but more especially for some in authority In which conference the innocent and such as have stood for the truth are made known and commended and the nocent and such as use deceit and falshood are discovered and left to bear their deserved shame and punishment AS ALSO THE CRUEL AND UNREASOnable doings of some Committee men and others against good men and such as have been most forward for the Parliament some of their abuses stript which deserve to be whipt Prov. 1.10.13 My Son if sinners intice thee consent thou not if they say we will fill our houses with spoil come cast in thy lot amongst us we will have one purse Prov. 11.8 9. The righteous is delivered out of trouble and the wicked cometh in his steed An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour but through knowledge shall the just be delivered Iam. 1.26 That man that seemeth to be religious and refraineth not his tongue his religion is vain Matth. 5. Blessed are ye when men revile you and speak all manner of evil against you falsly for my sake 1 Pet. 3.17 For it is better if the will of God be so that you suffer for well-doing then for evil doing Psal. 50. But to the wicked said God what hast thou to do to take my words into thy mouth seeing thou hatest to be reformed A CONFERENCE BETWEENE FRANCIS COOKE And THOMAS GVALTER as they were riding betweene LONDON and CAMBRIDGE Thomas Gaulter YOu are well overtaken Mr. Cook how far travell you this way Francis Cook To Cambridge Ga. So do I what shall we get thither to night think you C. No but to morrow in the forenoon I hope I use to ride easily G. I will ride as easily as you for I desire to have some talk with you about your brother Scotten what think you had it not been better for him to have been quiet and have let his fellow sequestrators alone I beleeve he repents it now Cook Then it seems you think the old proverb is true as good be a knave as amongst knaves I grant you that if my brother Scotten had not reproved them and complained of their misdemeanors concerning the sequestration they had not complained of him to the commissioners of the excise nor sequestred his goods as they have done my brother heard before that some of them did threaten him that if he complained of them about the sequestration they would out him of the excise office but not knowing wherein he had offended was no whit deterred but being bound by a double band to disclose their naughty doings did proceed to complain against them what though he did expose himself to their rage he thought it better to do so then worse G. You seem to charge some Committee men and other officers I know who you mean to be knaves I think you do very ill for there be many deceived if they be not honest men and very forward for the Parliament but I am not of opinion it is as good be a knave as amongst knaves but that a man should rather suffer any thing in his name person and estate then joyn with knaves in their knavery but it will be a hard task to prove them to be knaves C. My bro Scotten was once of your mind he being in a manner a stranger to them yet their seeming forwardnes for the Parliament and their cunning carriage made him beleeve they were men converted insomuch that when they or any of them suffered he was bound to suffer with them spake writ and spent much money and time in their behalfs yea lost the favour of many great and good men in pleading their cause for my br bearing an honest mind did think they had done so too and whereas you say I seem to charg them to be knaves I do not love foul language but when you have heard but some of their carriages which are known to many and may be proved against them then I shall leave it to you and to all men to judge what they be G. It may be they will say they can prove as much against your br Scotten C. I am sure some of them have fouly scandalized him already but they neither have nor can prove the least tittle against him in his offices that was in his power to help and when it is known how their tongues are accustomed to slander not only good men but also great men not sparing the Parliament nor the assembly of Divines and other orthodox Ministers then it will be thought no marvell if they shall deal so with my brother but I shall passe by many of their misdemeanors both in their words and actions which although they are true cannot be proved so clearly an instance against them and in the behalf of my brother Scotten in such things as are well known to many and may be fully proved G. If you will do so I le tell you after what I have heard them and others affirm concerning your brother Scotten I would gladly know how you or he can answer them for I desire to be rightly informed if he be an honest man he is much wronged C. It is very true what the Scriptures say Prov 4. he that reproveth a scorner purchaseth to himself shame and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot for I am well assured my brother is exceedingly wronged by them and by many others that side with them since he began to reproove them and complain against them but I shall begin and first I shall instance Downham house they selling the best of those houshold goods that were the Bishops to themselves and to one another at undervalues insomuch that it is grown into a proverb in Cambridgeshire and the Isle of Elie that Luke Voyce sold to L. Voyce c. to make short it is most certain that L. Voyce sold to himself and to his sons the richest and the best of that houshold stuffe except one room ready furnished and hanged with tapestry for 20. l. to Jam Whinnell which some say was worth 60. l. I never saw it to take any notice of it and they made my brother beleeve they gave to the full value of them untill every one cryed shame of their doings Secondly I shall instance in Downham parke with the lands adjoyning worth 120.l per annum L. Voyce having a share therein let it be examined what it hath yeelded to the State I am sure it had not yeelded 1.d when my brother complained in June 1645. Thirdly Mr. Pigs goods sold and part of his lands let between Ia. Whinnell and his father and W. Nichols at undervalues Fourthly some of them combine with Th Wilson of Emneth a

notorious Malignant to conceal about 120.l from the state which the said Wilson was in arrears to Mr. Dove a delinquent Fiftly the better to colour their naughty doings after my brother had complained of them they draw on 2. others and give this Th. Wilson 4. months longer time under a pretence it was possible he might cleare himselfe of the concealment of the said 120. l. when he had had to long time given him before which they have done in favour to the said Wilson and in wrong to the State and contrary to a former order consented to by the said Wilson and yet this Wilson known unto them to be a bitter persecutor of my brother Scotten in the Bishops times and a wicked reviler of the present Parliament Sixtly they under colour of their office joyn with this Thom Wilson against a godly painfull preacher approved of by the assembly and put in by the honourable Committee for plundred ministers and made it cost him above 60.l before he could enjoy the profits given him by the said Committee such is their hatred to godly preachers Seventhly after my brother began to suspect them he looked into their accounts and found them to be defective imperfect and false wronging the State for their owne advantage not regarding their oaths Eightly my brother complained severall times to some of them that there were amongst them that gathered up some hundreds of pounds and paid it not into the treasurers appointed besides 160. l. one of them was in arrear to the late Arch-deacon of Ely which was also the Parliaments money yet although my brother waited long he could get no justice done amongst them G. You need instance in no more if you can but prove these but if I be not deceived your brother did complain of most of these things the 20 of Iune last to the Committee of the accounts of the Kingdome why did he not prove these things against them then C I 'le tell you why they knowing themselves to be in an evil taking and that it was like to fall foul upon them they most cunningly contrive and plot which way to take of my brother from prosecuting his complaints against them and to this end in July last they seize and drive away his milch cowes plow and cart horses and mares in all neere 30. head of cattell besides neer 60.l worth of cole seed to the great affrightment of his wife and children leaving his house destitute of necessary provision his land untilled and his harvest uncarted in and besides leave a great scandall upon him so by this means they take him off from proving his complaints he had now another taske in hand to clear himself to petition to get his goods again his wife not being able to bear crosses so well as he it was no little trouble to him his family and friends G. Why but your brother was an unwise man did he know his goods liable to sequestration and would he go and complain against them and so inrage them he that reproves or complains against others should be without fault himself C. You say truly in that I will not go about to justifie my brother so as if he had no failings but that he should be liable to sequestration is a riddle to him and me one that hath been so forward for the Parliament as he hath been G. But I have credibly heard that your brother did receive of Jonas Dunch of Elye a collector 500.l to pay in to the Treasurers at Guild-hall London and he paid in but 400.l to them and kept 100.l to himself and for that they sequestred him C. My brother will confesse that and yet never the more to blame for he was then Treasurer and at the request of Ja. Whinnell did pay in 100. l. of the excise money at Wisbeech to Mr. Brown subtreasurer for the Earl of Manchester for his 3d. part of the sequestration money in the Isle of Ely there being then great need of the money to go against Crowland and was to receive that 100 l. again of Ionas Dunch at Ely in the way as he went to London for said Ia. Whinnell why should we be at cost and trouble to fetch 100.l from Ely hither of the sequestration money and must carry so much of the excise money thither towards London both labours may this way be saved my brother perceiving he spake reason consented to him and it was done accordingly but now you have brought it into my mind I will tell you of a pranke Ia. Whinnell did at that time for the same time my brother received the 500.l of I. Dunch which was in Dec. 1644 he received also plate worth 25.l odd shillings which he carried up to London with the 500.l my brother intending it should be sold and at that time paid into the Treasurer● at Guild hall but presently after their accounts were given in the plate was sold and Ia Whinnell pursed up the money and had not paid it in the 29. Sept. last but made use of it himself all that while if not still G. But I pray you tell me truly had not your brother Scotten 100.l of the States money in his hand when they distrayned his goods C. No nor one penny for he had expended more in the States service upon necessary expences then he had to account for to the State so that although he had 87. l. 6. s. 6 d. for which he was to be accountable for yet being allowed for necessary charges and pains according to the ordinance for sequestration as it is there expressed p. 8 l. 1. in thes● words Lastly it is ordained that all and every the said sequestrators and Committee shall have allowances for their necessary charges and pains in and about the premises as they shall be allowed by both houses of Parliament I say his expences being mo●● then his fellow sequestrators and more then 87.l 6 s 6 in two years he had not as I said before one penny in his hand is it probable that he should first complaine to some o● them and after to others that Ja Whinnell Wil. Nichols and Ric. Ponsonby and others kept the States money in their hands and be guilty of the same offence himself G. Why then did they sequester his goods was not there first a fair tryall had he not notice given that he might answer for himself before they did sequester him C. No my brother Scotten never knew of it untill it was done was never summone● to make any account neither was there any cause why he should nor was he ever called t● answer for himself but have you forgotten what I hinted to you before it was to tak● him off from proving his former complaints against them they would set him to work● upon another subject to go see if he could get his goods and credit again they would teach him to tell tales out of the school G. If this be true which you tell me they are most