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A52440 Two treatises concerning the divine light the first, being an answer to a letter of a learned Quaker, which he is pleased to call, A just reprehension to John Norris for his unjust reflections on the Quakers, in his book entituled, Reflections upon the conduct of human life, &c., the second, being a discourse concerning the grossness of the Quakers notion of the light within, with their confusion and inconsistency in explaining it / by John Norris ... Norris, John, 1657-1711.; Norris, John, 1657-1711. Grossness of the Quaker's principle. 1692 (1692) Wing N1276; ESTC R2996 64,661 150

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And so long as I make all Men in some measure to consult it tho I do withal say that they are enlightned by it only when they consult it I do not thereby deny that all are actually enenlightned by it For this does not deny the Universality of Actual Illumination but only determins and specifies the way and manner of it So that here is no Contradiction but all things are Uniform and Confistent Exception against the Fifth Article THE Fifth I take in the First Part of it to be the same in Substance with thy First differing in Form of Expressions viz. The Quakers by their Light within understand some Determinate Formed Dictate or Proposition expresly or positively directing or instructing them to do so or so as in thy first thou calledst it some Divine Communication or Manifestation only Where didst thou learn this Definition of the Quakers Faith and Doctrin of the Light within The Quakers believe the Light of Christ within to be God's Divine Oracle of Wisdom in the Soul the Former Dictator and Determiner of Heavenly Propositions them directing and instructing what to chuse and what to refuse as the Original Cause of the Knowledg and Love of Truth which are its proper Effects Now wherein is the Quakers Light as thou term'st it inferiour to that of thine except in the differing Character thou givest it They own the Real and Substantial Truth of God the Life of the Word the Light of Men as Christ said of himself I am the Way the Truth and the Life That this Divine Light which is the Light of Men is always in some Degree and Measure present in the Soul by which it is upheld either in God's Love or Anger the Quakers believe and that in him we live move and have our Being tho with respect to Operation after a different manner and measure and passing the Understanding of Man And whereas thou say'st Thy Light is only the Essential Truth of God This is an high Presumption about which I have already shew'd thy Confusion in other places calling it Reason and Conscience and a Man's Natural and Ordinary way of Understanding Consider Mat. 6. 22 23. The Light of the Body c. If therefore the Light that is in thee be Darkness c. So may I say if that Doctrin and Principle thou recommendest to the World for Truth and Excellency be erroneous and faulty how great is that Error and Fault Again thou say'st Thy Light is always present to thy Understanding and intimately united with it still Sect. 5. which in thy Sense of the Light is to say thy Soul is never without thy Reason and Conscience I wish they were both reform'd that thou may'st be no more guilty of these and such like false Aspersions That the Light supposing it to be what really it is a distinct Principle from the Soul is always present to the Undestanding which implies its Operation upon the Natural Capacity or Organ the ordinary means of knowing I conceive is more than can be safely or experimentally said because the Organ may be hurt and the Understanding in that Sense interrupted and consequently no fit Medium or Receptacle either for the Soul or its Light Besides the Soul may be absent from the Natural Understanding by the Interposition of Spiritual as well as Natural Causes and yet present with the Light in its Spiritual way of Understanding But to say as thou dost that Thy Light is only the Essential Truth of God and that it is always present to thy Understanding and intimately united with it and yet that it does not formally enlighten or instruct it but when carefully attended to and consulted seems to discover a Contradiction in its self and to the Formal Reason of its Being and Presence and Sufficiency in the one Act of the same Principle as well as to the State and Nature of Intimate Union For how can any thing be intimately united to its Principle and not partake of its Nature and Influences which is the Reason and Manner of its Union And how can this be and not carefully attended to and consulted Is not this manifest Confusion That the Presence of the Light does enlighten and instruct all in some Sense and Degree is sufficiently proved by Scripture By thy Word Formally Enlighten I apprehend thou intendest the Operative Exercise as in Pag. 17. and as here applied to Light signifies no more than actually to enlighten ex parte Objecti I grant such as do not carefully attend to and consult this Divine Light do not witness the Increases of it unto the Redemption and Salvation of their Souls It is the Path of the Just that is as the shining Light that shineth more and more unto the perfect Day If the Light as thou assertest doth not formally enlighten or instruct but when carefully attended to and consulted how then should it quicken and raise the Soul from Death to Life according to the multiplied experience of Holy David And how doth God speak once yea twice yet Man perceiveth it not Job 33. 14 15 16 17. and Isa 65. How frequently doth the Lord complain by his Prophets of his calling to his People to return and repent but they would not answer Note the Call of God is not without Instruction read Mic. 6. 8 and Prov. 1 from 20 to the end And see what Wisdom does also in Nehemiah how they rebelled against God notwithstanding he gave his good Spirit to instruct them The Testimony of John the Evangelist the 5th and 21th Ephes 2. 1 4 5. 2 Cor. 4. 6 7. These and many other Texts abundantly prove that God quickens and enlightens Man before Man can turn unto him The Answer I Have given my self the trouble to set down this Exception at large not because I intend to answer it all but that it may appear to the Discerning Reader that there is a great deal of it which I need not answer as being either answer'd already or so very impertinent and remote from the business that it deserves no consideration But in the first place I cannot but admire at the singular Happiness of his Fancy in imagining the former part of the Fifth Article to be the same in substance with the First and to differ only in form of Expression In the First it is said that the Quakers usually talk of the Light within as of some Divine Communication or Manifestation only that is as it has been explain'd that they represent their Light not as God himself but only as a divine Communication or as something communicated or exhibited by God In the Fifth it is said That the Quakers by their Light within that is as Directive understand some determinate formed Dictate or Proposition expresly and positively directing and instructing them to do so or so That is that they make the Direction of the Light or the Light as Directive to consist in Dictates or Propositions ready form'd and presented to the view of the