Selected quad for the lemma: cause_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
cause_n	believe_v	great_a	see_v	1,615	5	3.0323	3	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
B20551	A discourse concerning excommunication. By THomas Comber DD. Precentor of York.	Comber, Thomas, 1645-1699.	1684 (1684)	Wing C5459	99,055	127

cap._n 11._o §._o 1._o and_o so_o do_v our_o reform_a bishop_n wherefore_o i_o be_o not_o concern_v how_o the_o papal_a encroachment_n be_v tolerate_v or_o restrain_v because_o excommunication_n be_v right_o manage_v before_o they_o be_v in_o be_v and_o be_v now_o after_o they_o be_v cast_v out_o and_o now_o a_o brief_a review_n of_o these_o objection_n will_v suffice●y_v wherefore_o we_o will_v here_o represent_v they_o all_o together_o he_o allege_v many_o particular_n to_o this_o purpose_n viz._n that_o eadmerus_n say_v concern_v william_n the_o conqueror_n that_o he_o will_v not_o suffer_v any_o of_o his_o baron_n or_o minister_n to_o be_v prosecute_v or_o excommunicate_v for_o incest_n adultery_n or_o any_o other_o capital_a crime_n 197._o crime_n seld._n de_fw-fr synedr_n lib._n i._o cap._n 10._o pag._n 197._o which_o seem_v to_o be_v a_o odious_a representation_n of_o a_o monk_n who_o be_v concern_v in_o the_o controversy_n between_o anselm_n and_o the_o crown_n for_o eadmerus_n author_n of_o this_o charge_n be_v one_o of_o anselm_n monk_n the_o truth_n therefore_o i_o suppose_v be_v that_o king_n william_n expect_v to_o have_v notice_n before_o any_o of_o his_o court_n be_v excommunicate_v for_o that_o be_v one_o of_o the_o custom_n of_o their_o father_n which_o the_o english_a nobility_n get_v to_o be_v enact_v for_o a_o law_n in_o the_o statute_n of_o clarendon_n 100_o clarendon_n statut._n clarend_a matth._n paris_n an._n 1164._o p._n 100_o but_o it_o be_v not_o credible_a that_o any_o christian_a king_n shall_v presume_v to_o forbid_v discipline_n to_o be_v exercise_v in_o such_o case_n wherein_o the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o the_o example_n of_o the_o apostle_n require_v it_o shall_v be_v use_v and_o if_o king_n william_n have_v forbid_v any_o such_o thing_n his_o prohibition_n have_v be_v impious_a and_o unjust_a as_o be_v against_o the_o express_a law_n of_o god_n but_o for_o that_o custom_n of_o the_o bishop_n acquaint_v the_o king_n first_o before_o 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6_o edvard_n 6._o cap._n 4._o vide_fw-la seld._n ut_fw-la supr_fw-la pag._n 173._o which_o decree_v excommunication_n for_o strike_v in_o the_o church_n or_o church-yard_n but_o this_o be_v not_o only_o a_o law_n make_v by_o the_o bishop_n consent_n but_o also_o it_o relate_v to_o a_o matter_n of_o the_o church_n and_o be_v no_o more_o but_o a_o confirmation_n of_o divers_a ancient_a canon_n which_o they_o suppose_v will_v be_v better_o observe_v if_o the_o whole_a parliament_n do_v assent_v to_o they_o and_o pass_v they_o into_o a_o secular_a law_n as_o be_v often_o do_v by_o the_o primitive_a emperor_n in_o the_o civil_a law_n and_o by_o the_o french_a king_n in_o the_o capitular_o but_o neither_o they_o nor_o our_o parliament_n ever_o intend_v hereby_o to_o take_v the_o matter_n out_o of_o the_o clergy_n power_n or_o to_o assume_v this_o power_n into_o their_o own_o hand_n yea_o the_o statute_n cite_v express_o say_v the_o ordinary_a shall_v issue_v out_o the_o sentence_n again_o mr._n selden_n say_v the_o king_n of_o france_n spain_n and_o england_n etc._n etc._n do_v allow_v appeal_n from_o the_o bishop_n consistory_n in_o many_o case_n i_o reply_v that_o many_o case_n be_v try_v in_o that_o court_n by_o the_o pious_a favour_n of_o christian_a prince_n who_o true_o believe_v bishop_n fit_a to_o judge_v in_o cause_n concern_v testament_n legacy_n guardianship_n divorce_n etc._n etc._n now_o in_o these_o matter_n which_o be_v judge_v by_o bishop_n not_o by_o any_o express_a law_n of_o god_n but_o by_o favour_n of_o the_o prince_n he_o may_v see_v that_o bishop_n judge_v right_o and_o therefore_o the_o king_n do_v of_o old_a grant_n prohibition_n on_o great_a occasion_n and_o call_v some_o of_o these_o matter_n into_o his_o temporal_a court_n where_o ancient_o he_o sit_v himself_o which_o custom_n be_v confirm_v by_o time_n be_v practise_v to_o this_o day_n but_o this_o no_o way_n concern_v the_o bishop_n authority_n which_o christ_n give_v he_o and_o if_o the_o 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speak_v of_o his_o apostle_n determine_v in_o the_o school_n or_o solve_v case_n of_o conscience_n but_o of_o the_o power_n they_o shall_v have_v to_o punish_v contumacious_a offender_n and_o injurious_a person_n and_o though_o mr._n selden_n object_n it_o be_v not_o whosoever_o you_o shall_v bind_v but_o whatsoever_o yet_o he_o answer_v himself_o say_v that_o it_o be_v true_a person_n may_v be_v signify_v by_o the_o neuter_n gender_n pag._n 159._o final_o for_o his_o fancy_n that_o the_o force_n of_o excommunication_n depend_v on_o private_a pact_n among_o the_o christian_n it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v imagine_v that_o murderer_n and_o adulterer_n perjure_a person_n and_o apostate_n will_v have_v scruple_v break_v these_o part_n or_o have_v be_v so_o terrify_v and_o deject_v by_o a_o excommunication_n if_o it_o have_v only_o rely_v on_o their_o own_o promise_n to_o obey_v it_o i_o grant_v indeed_o the_o christian_n do_v vow_n in_o baptism_n and_o the_o eucharist_n to_o observe_v christ_n 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yea_o it_o ordain_v that_o these_o sentence_n shall_v be_v execute_v by_o another_o method_n even_o by_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o his_o officer_n mr._n selden_n indeed_o produce_v another_o law_n as_o if_o it_o be_v a_o repeal_n of_o this_o in_o the_o time_n of_o valens_n gratian_n and_o valentinian_n ann._n 376._o above_o 60._o year_n after_o but_o that_o law_n seem_v to_o except_v only_o criminal_a action_n from_o the_o bishop_n cognizance_n 187._o cognizance_n vid._n seld._n synedr_n l._n 1._o cap._n 10._o p._n 187._o and_o if_o we_o consider_v the_o complaint_n of_o the_o good_a bishop_n in_o that_o age_n who_o be_v burden_a with_o divers_a civil_a cause_n or_o look_v upon_o those_o law_n of_o arcadius_n and_o honorius_n 408._o honorius_n cod._n justin_n lib._n 1._o tit._n 4._o the_o epist_n aud._n l._n 7._o an._n 398._o &_o l._n 8._o an._n 408._o and_o of_o honorius_n and_o theodosius_n which_o allow_v man_n to_o choose_v bishop_n for_o decide_v their_o civil_a cause_n 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the_o emperor_n constantine_n do_v ordain_v that_o those_o who_o submit_v not_o to_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n shall_v be_v banish_v 221._o banish_v sozom_o eccles_n hist_o lib._n 1._o cap._n 19_o p._n 221._o and_o that_o the_o bishop_n do_v exercise_v this_o power_n in_o their_o own_o right_n as_o derive_v from_o christ_n be_v manifest_a from_o the_o whole_a history_n of_o that_o age_n arius_n himself_o and_o all_o his_o associate_n be_v excommunicate_v at_o alexandria_n first_o by_o peter_n and_o then_o by_o alexander_n the_o bishop_n of_o that_o city_n 215._o city_n idem_fw-la ibid._n cap._n 14._o p._n 215._o before_o any_o application_n be_v make_v to_o the_o emperor_n and_o before_o the_o nicene_n council_n be_v call_v and_o that_o most_o famous_a council_n in_o almost_o every_o canon_n suppose_v the_o bishop_n to_o be_v the_o judge_n of_o such_o as_o be_v to_o be_v keep_v out_o and_o such_o as_o be_v to_o be_v let_v into_o the_o church_n and_o those_o holy_a father_n 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