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A75411 An Answer to a question of a gentleman of quality (proposed to and made by a reverend and learned divine living in London) concerning the settlement or abolition of tithes by Parliament ... Spelman, Henry, Sir, 1564?-1641. Tithes too hot to be touched. 1646 (1646) Wing A3341B; ESTC R175467 23,795 29

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