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nay_o the_o chief_a legate_n in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n rome_n be_v a_o corrupt_a and_o a_o taint_a church_n far_o from_o be_v right_o and_o yet_o both_o these_o time_n before_o luther_n make_v his_o breach_n so_o here_o a._n c._n shall_v have_v be_v more_o distinct_a for_o the_o word_n before_o include_v the_o whole_a time_n before_o luther_n in_o part_n of_o which_o time_n that_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v right_o and_o in_o other_o part_n whereof_o it_o be_v wrong_v but_o a._n c._n add_v yet_o that_o i_o suspect_v the_o lady_n will_v infer_v if_o once_o that_o church_n be_v right_o what_o hinder_v it_o now_o to_o be_v since_o that_o do_v not_o depart_v 54._o a._n c._n p._n 54._o from_o the_o protestant_a church_n but_o the_o protestant_a church_n from_o it_o true_o i_o neither_o suspect_v the_o inference_n will_v be_v make_v nor_o fear_v it_o when_o it_o be_v make_v for_o it_o be_v no_o news_n that_o any_o particular_a church_n roman_a as_o well_o as_o another_o may_v once_o 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impio_fw-la de_fw-la athanasio_fw-la loquor_fw-la subsidio_fw-la venire_fw-la &_o pacem_fw-la orbis_n ac_fw-la mundi_fw-la totius_fw-la dirimere_fw-la audeas_fw-la liberius_n esto_fw-la quod_fw-la ego_fw-la solus_fw-la sim_fw-la non_fw-la tamen_fw-la propterea_fw-la causa_fw-la fidei_fw-la fit_v inferior_a nam_fw-la olim_fw-la tres_fw-la solum_fw-la erant_fw-la reperti_fw-la qui_fw-la rggis_n mandato_fw-la resisterent_fw-la etc._n etc._n theod._n l._n 2._o hist._n eccles._n c._n 16._o dialogo_fw-la inter_fw-la constant._n imp._n &_o liberium_fw-la papam_fw-la so_o that_o pope_n do_v not_o think_v multitude_n any_o great_a note_n of_o the_o true_a church_n vbi_fw-la sunt_fw-la etc._n etc._n qui_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la multitudiné_fw-fr definiunt_fw-la &_o parvum_fw-la gregem_fw-la aspernantur_fw-la etc._n etc._n greg._n naz._n orat_fw-la 25._o prin_fw-mi nay_o the_o arrian_n be_v grow_v to_o that_o boldness_n that_o they_o object_v to_o the_o catholic_n of_o that_o time_n paucitatem_fw-la 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