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A04922
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An answer to a letter of a Iesuit named Tyrie, be Iohne Knox; Answer to a letter of a Jesuit named Tyrie.
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Knox, John, ca. 1514-1572.
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1572
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STC 15062; ESTC S106716
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is there is continuall succession of doctrine and that the selfsame which is preached now hes bene taugh in all ages This we affirme is a moste impudent lie For now of late yeares it hath bene taught and of the people receaued that the Messe was a â—acrifice propitiatorie for the sinnis of the quick the dead That the Pape was the head of y â— Kirk such other heades of moste heretical doctrine approued in the Papisticall Kirk Wâ—ich heades we affirme wer vnknoweÌ„ in the age of the Apostles or yet of the Fathers that immediately followed them And for the probation thereof we desyre their wrytingis to be produced euer beginning at them who wer appointed of God to preache and to plant the veritiâ— in the world We are not bound to crâ—dite whatsoeuer the Fathers haue spoken But our faith as is befoir said is buylded vpon the sure Rock Iesus Christ and vpoÌ„ the fundatioun of the Apostles and Prophetes So far as any Fathers aggre therewith we reuerently do imbrase it But if the Fathers haue affirmed any thing with out the warrand of the written word of y e Eternall our God To whose only voce the sheap of his pasture ar bound It is as laughfull to vs to reiect that which proceadeth from man and not from God as it is easie to them to affirme it Maister Tyrie may know that we vse the wordes of the Ancientis It appeareth to vs be the hole progres of Maister Tyries letter that he and his factioun can acknowledge no Kirk which in all ages hes not bene visible to the eyes of men hauing lykwise a visible succession For first he affirmes that the Kirk whereof the Prophet Isaias speakes should be manifest and visible through all the world And heare last he alledgeth that we can cum in no place where we sall not find that Religion spred at the least in many persones And thereof he concludes that if we can not proue the lyke of our Religion It followis that it is not the trew Religion If Maister Tyrie recant not this assertioÌ„ he must correct his crede Aud where vniuersally befor we vse to say credo sanctam ecclesiam c. He must say video sauctam ecclesiam For if there be no kirk vpon the face of the earth but that which is visible and thâ—t which may be shawen first be certane notes external then superfluous and vane it wer to vs to say I beleue the holy Kâ—rk vniuersall but confideÌ„tly we might affirme I see y â— holy kirk If Master Tyrie will say we may bothe se beleue and be our sight our Faith may be strengthned For Thomas saw y â— wouÌ„des in the handes 〈◊〉 and syde of Christ Iesus and beleued and so may we se the Kirk and yet beleâ—e it If we should graÌ„t so far to Mâ—ister Tyrie yet wer his argument nothing helped For the question is not whether that we may notiâ—ie those thinges that we ar bound to beleleue But the question is if that we are not bound to beleue those thingeâ— which somtymes ar vtterly 〈◊〉 from the external senses of men Mâ—â—ster Tyrie will acknowledge no kirk except that which hes bene and is visible We in the coÌ„trare acknowledge and reuerence the spous of Chiist Iesus somtymes exyled from the world receauing somtymes the wynges of an Egle that she may fle to the wyldernes Whereof God and not of man she hath her place prepared We reuerence her w t doeth complane that she hath bene desolate barrane a captiue and a wanderer to and fro That spous of Iesus Christ brages so lytle of her succession visible to maÌ„nes eyes that she is reft in admiration who should haue nurished her Children during the tyme of her baniwement If master Tyrie be so well sene in the ancient Wryters as in his wryting he wold shaw him self to be then can he not be ignoraÌ„t that it is not without great caus that the holy Goste hath taught vs to say I beleue the holy Kirk vniuersall To wit becaus that oftentymes it is that the Kirk militaÌ„t is so afflicted Yea the bewtie thereof is so obscured to the most part of the worlde that the Synagoge of Sathan vsurpes the tytle of the trew Kirk and Babilone is preferred to Ierusalem So that the elect are compelled to compleane and say We sâ— not our owen signes now is there no Prophet any moir amonges vs. Let the dayes of Helyas and his coÌ„plaint witnes whether that the Kirk of God is alwayes so visible that it may be pointed furth w t the finger of man Thus we wryte shortly to giue occasion to Maister Tyrie and to such as are blinded with that errour moir deaply to considder that artickle of their beleue and not so rashely to condempne such as God of his mercy calles froÌ„ darknes to light Now to the rest of his letter TYRIES LETTER THair is sum I knaw perchance for laik outher of gude discourse or wit measures the veritie of the thing thay follow be the warldly succes thay haue in the following of it Bot surely I caÌ„ not esteme zow to be of that rank and gif ze wer I wald exhort zow to reid amangis the rest the seuintene and twa Psalme and y e hundreth fourtie and thre Psalme Quhairby ze wil easily vnderstand that nouther the prosperous succes of zour part in warldly thinges I mene preifis it that ze follow to be of veritie nor zit our decay and aduersitie makis our part to be conuicted ze rather the mater being considderit as it aught to be zour prosperitie is rather a manifest argument of Goddis wraith nor of ony treuth of veritie For it is said be ane godly haly and cunning man ane xj hundreth zeir by past Quod nihil infelicius felicitate peccantium quia penalis nutritur impunitas mala voluntas velut interior hostis roboratur c. ANSWER WE might haue passed by this parcell without answer becaus that nothing in it conceaued iustly can be laid to our charge For our warldly felicitie prosperitie rest nether is nether yet hes bene at any tyme sence we haue imbrased the Euangel of Iesus Christ suche as may nurishe vs in wickednes nether yet are the Papists able to coÌ„uict vs of such impietie as all the world know hath roung among them of mo yeares then an huÌ„dreth thrise told And in the meane tyme to what honour and worldly dignitie they are ascended we mak them selues iudges If they say the dâ—ctrine which we teach is wondrously spred within this huÌ„dreth yeares So that now it hes almoste red y â— self furth of bondage We wold demand of the Papistes if the â—uangell of Iesus Christ ceased to be the doctrine of Saluation what tyme the Kiâ—kis gat rest in Iudea and elles where in the dayes of the Apostles If they answer y â— they meane