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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A90976	The sun out-shining the moon, or, Righteousness excelling rottennness in answer to a lying scandalous paper, published by John Moone, entituled, The true light hath made manifest darknesse, &c. : but it is darkness put forth for light, as it will appear by that which followeth / and is published by John Price.	Price, John, Welsh clergyman.; Bownd, William. Brief discovery of the the erroneous tenets of those who are distinguished from other men by the name of Quakers.	1658 (1658)	Wing P3353; ESTC R43721	30,935	58

man is in the one way I leave the Reader to judge whether he speaks sense or non-sense considering his following words So he concludes that particular with these words Let the wise in heart judge where the third way is as though his Opposer had said that there were three wayes And in the latter part of his fifth Page he saith That I should say that Faith is not the gift of God a thing that I cannot remember that I had any discourse with him about But whether I have said so or no I tell you what I should say if I should speak my judgement concerning it I say That believing or giving credit to the word of God is an Act of the Creature performed by the Power and ability given him of God as it is written With the heart man believeth to Righteousnesse and with the mouth confession is made to Salvation Rom. 20.20 I marvel how the Quakers and others are so besotted that they do not see that believing or Faith in that sense is a duty required of man upon the neglect of it he is threatned and upon the performance of it he is commended according to Matth. 16.16 He that believeth shall be saved but he that believeth not shall be damned John Moone saith That the Faith whereby a man is saved from his sins is the gift of God And I say If man be not saved from the punishment due for sin that the cause is not in God for not giving but in man for not believing He saith That I spake contrary to the Scriptures Eph. 2.8 By grace ye are saved through Faith not of your selves it is the gift of God I deny not that Scripture Eph. 2.8 but own it and also own Salvation to be the gift of God which the Apostle in that place doth affirme to be the gift of God and excludes all manner of works from having any part or share in the work of Salvation So having no desire to be tedious to the Reader and considering that other mens Pens have passed upon this subject which I esteeme far before my own In Page the seventh John Moone faith That one Rees Davies and another should say That in the Devil there is as much of God as makes him tremble But Rees Davies saith That he said not so but these are the words which Rees Davies said That there is so much fear in the Devil as makes him tremble as for the other I own not his words nor himself neither In Page the eighth John Moone quarrelleth with another whose name is John Prosser and accuseth him of saying That Ribbon and Lace doth adorn the Gospel but the man saith with many witnesses That it is a notorious lie which John Moone saith of him and I believe that there is but few if there be any that will believe that any reasonable man will say that Ribbon and Lace doth adorn the Gospel In Page the ninth John Moone saith That one Evan Oliver should say That God and his grace is not both one whether he said so or no I do not know for he is and hath been in Scotland ever since but I believe that he might distinguish between God and his grace and yet hold Union also And as for our Friend Vavasor Powel I have been informed that he doth intend to answer for himself and judging him to be abler and sitter then I my self am I shall not say any thing of it neither can I well by reason that I heard not the discourse nor have not any account of it But what John Moone saith of it in his Papers which are not to be given credit unto And as for John Moone his Queries in the close of his Book I leave them to be answered by those to whom they were propounded for the life of sanctified and Baptized Believers is hid in God Col. 3.3 Therefore they live not in observation Yet I say That God's people do and ought observe things See Deut. 1● 28 Observe and hear all these words which I command thee Psalm 105.45 That they might observe his Statutes and keep his Laws Matth. 28.20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you So I shall say no more at present in reply to John Moones Paper But desire the Reader carefully to peruse that which followeth and is written and subscribed by my beloved Friend William Bownd And I do earnestly desire that all men especially they that have had any longing desire after God and goodnesse that they stand still and then doubtlesse they shall see the Salvation of God for whiles man is working labouring and moving in his own will He is a stranger to the Salvation of God to which Salvation and gra●e I commend all those that waiteth for and longeth after it and rest Their true Friend JOHN PRICE HERE Followeth under the same Title A BRIEF DISCOVERY Of the Erronious Tenets of those who are distinguished from other men by the name OF QUAKERS NAMELY JOHN MOONE ALEXANDER PARKER And others who own them and their sayings wherein is manifested the right consequences that unavoidably followeth their own words from their own mouths and under their own hands at several times in several meetings With a few words in brief unto several sorts of people in several conditions BY ME Who am the unablest amongst many yet a Lover of Peace and Truth WILLIAM BOWND Prov. 18.17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just but his Neighbour cometh and searcheth him Prov. 17.22 Though thou shouldest bray a Fool in a morter amongst Wheat with a Pestel yet will not his Foolishnesse depart from him LONDON Printed for the Author 1658. A RELATION Of a short Discourse at a place called the Scwryw upon the eighteenth day of the Moneth called February I Hearing that the people which by some are called Quakers were to meet there and that one Alexander Parker was to Preach there that day I knowing my liberty that I might try all thing hold fast that which is good I went there and hearing the said Alexander speaking very often unto the people of a pure principle of God in every man which pure principle is in Egypt in bondage and in slavery in man and must be redeemed And when he had done speaking I was moved to speak these words following Friend Thou hast spoken much unto the people concerning a pure principle of God in every man which pure principle is in slavery and in bondage and must be redeemed I would know of thee whether thou doest own any part in man which is to be redeemed besides this pure principle of God Then the said Alexander drew near unto me and asked me some other question but did not answer to the question which I had propounded Whereupon I told him that I would not answer him in any thing until he had answered to the question which I had propounded And then the people many of them did rage and rail against me with open

is not my intention but to make a short reply to that wherein he doth particularly and falsly accuse not onely me but Hugh Ev●ns also In his 3. Pag. he saith That Hugh Evans said that Christ his Spirit is distinct but he diminished from his words for Hugh Evans said that Christ his Spirit is distinct in their offices operations Now I would desire every honest mind to consider the basenesse of this man that would cunningly and purposely leave out half the mans words and put the other half out in Print for these were the words that Hugh E. vans said That Christ and his Spirit are distinct in their Offices and operations Then John Moone accused him of blasphemy in saying that Christ and his Spirit is distinct Then Hugh said Why dost thou divide my words said John Moone I will publish thy blasphemy Then Hugh Evans said I charge thee to publish my whole saying Now I would have every sincere heart to judge whether this man is not left here without a cover to hide his nakednesse and shame Was it not a shameful thing for him to accuse the man of blasphemy and yet he himself afraid to publish the whole pretended blasphemy or doth it not argue that his malitious mind would cast a false aspersion upon Hugh Evans and upon that which he professed which I believe he aimed amost at Again consider whether this man hath not made shipwrack of a good conscience if ever he had any that would knowingly and purposedly misrepresent a man to all people under the title of a Blasphemer yet would not publish his whole saying which he did over over repeat I do not speak this because that the saying is so grosse in the terms as John Moone hath put it out but to shew the dishonesty of this perfect man This I say to thee John Moone that either thou dost not understand the sense of the word distinct or else thou art very willing to make uprears and quarrels where there is no cause but I do believe both of thee therefore I shal shew thee how Christ his Spirit is not distinct Secondly How he is distinct or distinguished The word distinct doth not alwayes mean two material things standing at a distance the one from the other as it is like thou dost ignorantly suppose there is distance in places in times and in persons but neither of these distinctions is to be made between Christ his Spirit there is also distinctions in natures qualities and properties yet I do not say that Christ and his Spirit is so to be distinguished The Father Son and Spirit is distinguished yet not divided though it is like that thou dost think that whatsoever is distinguished is divided There are three that bear witnesse in Heaven the Father Son and the Spirit and these three are one yet distinguished three and so it may be said of Christ and his Spirit Very much may be said of Christ being distinct in his Office yet not separated nor divided from his Spirit Christ said as he was the Son of man I have finished the work which thou hast given me to do but it cannot be said that the Spirit of Christ hath finished his work until all be converted that ever shall be converted and all the Saints glorified but the work of Christ in suffering for sin in the flesh is finished yet Christ and his Spirit is not divided but distinguished It is like that John Moon thought by leaving out part of the words which Hugh Evans had said that it would appear more like to be blasphemy It appeares also that John Moone did know that it was no blasphemy as Hugh Evans had spoken it or at least that he would not be believed by others if he did write the whole saying Take the wisest mans speech that ever was and let me leave out what part I will of it I know that I shall either make it blasphemy or non-sense as for instance Psalm 14.1 which saith The Fool saith in his heart There is no God leave out The Fool saith in his heart and then you may say that the Scripture saith There is no God John Moones affirmative is true but his negative is false it is true that Christ and his Spirit is one but to say there is no distinction in their Offices operations and workings is false as may be further proved by many instances but that the thing is so plain that I desire not to trouble the Reader any further But know this that Christ and his Spirit is one in reference to time place and person and an harmony of an agreement between them in their Offices operations and workings all in and fulfilling of the will of the one onely wise God I say further that the onely wise pure Father Son Spirit and Saints are one and yet a thousand distinctions I believe may be observed touching the Father Son Spirit and Saints and without distinctions he nor no man else can speak much of them not blaspheme I say saith John Moone that they are one and not distinct Then I say if there be no distinctions why doth he call Christ and his Spirit they which doth signifie pluralities he nor no man else can speak of the Father Son and Spirit and not make distinctions for in the words themselves lieth distinctions saith the Apostle Joh. 17.21 22. where he speaketh of the Father Son and Spirit and these three are one these and thine and mine them and us all these words doth signifie distinctions yet not divisions he goeth on to prove that Christ and his Spirit are one and so fights with his own shadow for nothing else hath he to fight with for all will say that Christ and his Spirit is one but if any would deny it he goeth very weakly to prove it for he goeth about to prove that which all England doth acknowledge in words and not make good any thing against what is affirmed that Christ and his Spirit is distinguished And this is the effect of his reasoning because John and Paul doth witnesse union between Christ and his Spirit therefore no distinction as he saith after he cited Rom 8.20 and Joh. 17.21 Now see where is the distinction saith he then he writes down John 17.21 22. Then said he Them that have an eye to see withal let them see the confusion which the Baptists declare whereas it is his own confusion foaming out his own shame and falsly accusing those whom he calls the Baptists in saying that they say That Christ and his Spirit is distinct the one from the other but thou hast grafted on this lie since thou thy self didst repeat that part of the words which Hugh Evans had said for neither did Hugh Evans say nor thy self till now that they were one from the other Is this thy honesty first to diminish from the mans words and instead of them adde thine own Hugh Evans said That Christ and his