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A90976 The sun out-shining the moon, or, Righteousness excelling rottennness in answer to a lying scandalous paper, published by John Moone, entituled, The true light hath made manifest darknesse, &c. : but it is darkness put forth for light, as it will appear by that which followeth / and is published by John Price. Price, John, Welsh clergyman.; Bownd, William. Brief discovery of the the erroneous tenets of those who are distinguished from other men by the name of Quakers. 1658 (1658) Wing P3353; ESTC R43721 30,935 58

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man is in the one way I leave the Reader to judge whether he speaks sense or non-sense considering his following words So he concludes that particular with these words Let the wise in heart judge where the third way is as though his Opposer had said that there were three wayes And in the latter part of his fifth Page he saith That I should say that Faith is not the gift of God a thing that I cannot remember that I had any discourse with him about But whether I have said so or no I tell you what I should say if I should speak my judgement concerning it I say That believing or giving credit to the word of God is an Act of the Creature performed by the Power and ability given him of God as it is written With the heart man believeth to Righteousnesse and with the mouth confession is made to Salvation Rom. 20.20 I marvel how the Quakers and others are so besotted that they do not see that believing or Faith in that sense is a duty required of man upon the neglect of it he is threatned and upon the performance of it he is commended according to Matth. 16.16 He that believeth shall be saved but he that believeth not shall be damned John Moone saith That the Faith whereby a man is saved from his sins is the gift of God And I say If man be not saved from the punishment due for sin that the cause is not in God for not giving but in man for not believing He saith That I spake contrary to the Scriptures Eph. 2.8 By grace ye are saved through Faith not of your selves it is the gift of God I deny not that Scripture Eph. 2.8 but own it and also own Salvation to be the gift of God which the Apostle in that place doth affirme to be the gift of God and excludes all manner of works from having any part or share in the work of Salvation So having no desire to be tedious to the Reader and considering that other mens Pens have passed upon this subject which I esteeme far before my own In Page the seventh John Moone faith That one Rees Davies and another should say That in the Devil there is as much of God as makes him tremble But Rees Davies saith That he said not so but these are the words which Rees Davies said That there is so much fear in the Devil as makes him tremble as for the other I own not his words nor himself neither In Page the eighth John Moone quarrelleth with another whose name is John Prosser and accuseth him of saying That Ribbon and Lace doth adorn the Gospel but the man saith with many witnesses That it is a notorious lie which John Moone saith of him and I believe that there is but few if there be any that will believe that any reasonable man will say that Ribbon and Lace doth adorn the Gospel In Page the ninth John Moone saith That one Evan Oliver should say That God and his grace is not both one whether he said so or no I do not know for he is and hath been in Scotland ever since but I believe that he might distinguish between God and his grace and yet hold Union also And as for our Friend Vavasor Powel I have been informed that he doth intend to answer for himself and judging him to be abler and sitter then I my self am I shall not say any thing of it neither can I well by reason that I heard not the discourse nor have not any account of it But what John Moone saith of it in his Papers which are not to be given credit unto And as for John Moone his Queries in the close of his Book I leave them to be answered by those to whom they were propounded for the life of sanctified and Baptized Believers is hid in God Col. 3.3 Therefore they live not in observation Yet I say That God's people do and ought observe things See Deut. 1● 28 Observe and hear all these words which I command thee Psalm 105.45 That they might observe his Statutes and keep his Laws Matth. 28.20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you So I shall say no more at present in reply to John Moones Paper But desire the Reader carefully to peruse that which followeth and is written and subscribed by my beloved Friend William Bownd And I do earnestly desire that all men especially they that have had any longing desire after God and goodnesse that they stand still and then doubtlesse they shall see the Salvation of God for whiles man is working labouring and moving in his own will He is a stranger to the Salvation of God to which Salvation and gra●e I commend all those that waiteth for and longeth after it and rest Their true Friend JOHN PRICE HERE Followeth under the same Title A BRIEF DISCOVERY Of the Erronious Tenets of those who are distinguished from other men by the name OF QUAKERS NAMELY JOHN MOONE ALEXANDER PARKER And others who own them and their sayings wherein is manifested the right consequences that unavoidably followeth their own words from their own mouths and under their own hands at several times in several meetings With a few words in brief unto several sorts of people in several conditions BY ME Who am the unablest amongst many yet a Lover of Peace and Truth WILLIAM BOWND Prov. 18.17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just but his Neighbour cometh and searcheth him Prov. 17.22 Though thou shouldest bray a Fool in a morter amongst Wheat with a Pestel yet will not his Foolishnesse depart from him LONDON Printed for the Author 1658. A RELATION Of a short Discourse at a place called the Scwryw upon the eighteenth day of the Moneth called February I Hearing that the people which by some are called Quakers were to meet there and that one Alexander Parker was to Preach there that day I knowing my liberty that I might try all thing hold fast that which is good I went there and hearing the said Alexander speaking very often unto the people of a pure principle of God in every man which pure principle is in Egypt in bondage and in slavery in man and must be redeemed And when he had done speaking I was moved to speak these words following Friend Thou hast spoken much unto the people concerning a pure principle of God in every man which pure principle is in slavery and in bondage and must be redeemed I would know of thee whether thou doest own any part in man which is to be redeemed besides this pure principle of God Then the said Alexander drew near unto me and asked me some other question but did not answer to the question which I had propounded Whereupon I told him that I would not answer him in any thing until he had answered to the question which I had propounded And then the people many of them did rage and rail against me with open