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A63079 A testimony for God's everlasting truth as it hath been learned of and in Jesus testifying against such as through unbelief have departed from, or been disobedient to the spirit that conuinces the world of sin : among whom R.C. hath appeared with his many things, to oppose and withstand the one thing, the spirit of life, that sets free from sin and death, which is the truth which the people call Quakers have and do testifie to and of / R.T. R. T. (Rebecca Travers), 1609-1688. 1669 (1669) Wing T2062; ESTC R31972 39,797 48

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such as have helped the mighty in force and falshood against the Lord who will bring to pass as he hath spoken Light and Salvation to the ends of the Earth and all that contend against it shall fall before it and thou as one strong to deceive and therefore wouldst colour thy work with that which testifies against thee Saying in thy title thou wilt attest according to Scripture and so beginst with a lye for thou detests both Scripture and the words of Christ therein for thou deniest his Doctrine and callest it a new opinion to preach the Light up for Christ though Christ saith I am the Light of the World how hath Satan deceived thee that thou shouldest think any should receive thy fallasies that callst the Doctrine which Christ the Apostles taught fallasies shalt thou or the Apostle John be believed he saith In the beginnining was the Word and the Word was God and by him ‖ But he in his Queries denies Christ to make all things so we marvel not that he should deny our Doctrine that denies Christ and his Apostles all things were made and in him was Life and the Life were the Light of men and this is the true Light that enlighteneth every man and thou lightly and slightly sayeth this of the first of John is their ground and so resists the Scripture and yet saith thou wilt attest according to Scripture and then speaks of the Humanity in conjunction with the Deity so far art thou from attesting according to Scripture that the words thou usest I never read in Scripture but know they with other words used by thee have not a ground from the Scriptures as thou confessest the Preachers of the Light have but from the Antichristian Spirit that having despised the Light and offered despight unto the Spirit of Grace cannot express their matters and inventions in the Language of the Spirit by which the Scriptures were given forth except they steal them where they are already written and so have joyned words in the dark where all images are framed and amongst these thou hast got som to strengthen thee against the Light and to lay falsehood on the obeyers thereof in saying they deny the bodily Humanity of our Lord who is thy lord indeed is to be denied but the Lord from Heaven by whom all things were made thou never heardst any to deny that have faith in the Light or any of those names which the Scripture gives as the man Christ Jesus as he that became flesh and lived amongst us and that was and is a great Mystery God manifested in flesh the Christ indeed appointed of God to be both Priest and King and for thy attesting according to Scripture is only a relating what thou hast read which Pope and Prelate as well as thee can talk of the Virgins conceiving bringing forth and of Christs Suffering Death Resurrection and Ascension none of those things there written didst thou ever hear denied by any of the Children of Light But the imaginations of others and thee thereon were and are to be testified against for it was vain imaginations that the Lord did and doth complain on and however thou camest to be in Prison and elsewhere with the people of the Lord yet it was then seen and in that which discerns that the chamber of imagery was never destroyed in thee nor the old bottle broken but the ground standing in thee that brings forth Briers and Thorns and is neer unto cursing and the fruits thereof thou hast brought forth in perverting some and laying stumblings in the way of the simple thou wert a climer at the first and got some words of the fame of Life but was and art in Death and to this day bringest forth therein and so being in blindness thy self thinkest others cannot see and so after thy relating part of what is written concerning Christ Jesus we see sayest thou what Testimony the Scriptures gives of the Lord 's Christ that he is not the Light in any mans Conscience nor the Principle of Light art thou not ashamed to call to see that which cannot be seen for doth the Scriptures any where say Christ is not the Light in the Conscience nor the Principle of Light so see thy work is to deceive and make people believe lies whose work art thou a doing that art drawing from believing in the Light to believe a lye doth not the Scriptures by the mouth of Christ say believe in the Light and do the Scriptures hold out any Faith or any to believe in but Christ and is not the cause and being of all things Christ and yet thou deniest him to be the principle of Light what would thy dark minde make the principle of Light that denies the Lord Christ that saith I am the Light of the World thou shewest thy ignorance of the mystery of Faith which in the pure Conscience is hid but whose Conscience is defiled and feared hath no feeling of Light nor Faith and so would blind the eyes of others to lead captive as the Divil doth all that disobey the Light for it is an everlasting Truth who resist the Light that gave forth the Scriptures doth pervert the Scriptures to their own destruction not knowing the Interpreter of a Thousand for in the motion of Light and Spirit were the Scriptures given forth and by the same only is the Holy men gave them forth as they were moved of the Holy Ghost 2 Pet. 1. 21. true understanding thereof and those that have and do bring forth without being learned of the Light have filled the World with Errors and Falshoods Babel indeed and thou a chief Builder therein ignorant of the Covenant of Light Christ the Covenant to Gods people and a Light unto the Gentiles to the ends of the Earth thus saith As the Prophet Isaiah and old Simeon declared the Scripture with much more in Testimony to and for the Truth he is the Light of the World and so all that have an eye to see may see that thou goest about to attest a Lye and the Scriptures testifie against thee and are contrary to thy Doctrine that denyest the Christ of God who art framing an Image but thy Snare is broken and all that love and obey the Light have and shall escape and thy own work shall turn upon thee for he that commanded Light to shine out of Darkness hath shined into our hearts to give us the knowledg of himself in the face of Jesus Christ but who resists the shining in their own hearts wax worse and worse until they come to war against that to which those sent of God turned men to from Darkness to Light from the Power of Satan unto the Power of God but who sent thee that turns from the Power of Light to believe thy dark Imaginations of a creaturely Soul and instead of bringing Scripture for thy Proof thou bringest a Proof from Beamond or thy own Imaginations that we should
And to this I answer none that discerns it can or doth deny it and their eyes are open to see thy confusion that wouldst prove that the Light in Conscience is not Christ by bringing this proof that he ascended that he might fill all things O gross darkness Doth he fill all things yet not the Conscience or hast thou so long strove against the Light in Conscience that thou accountest Conscience nothing for if any thing then thou provest he is in it for he fills all things and doth he fill with darkness or with Light for thy following words in the latter end of thy 11th page are a false Accusation in saying We make that Body that did the Fathers Will by whom we are saved to be extinguished and as to any Substance vanished away as smoke To this I answer I never knew any that had faith in the Light against which thou hast been devising deny Christ's Body but all such know it is a glorious Body and so there needs not much be said to a Lye but the Truth will come over it for no Lye is of the Truth and though thou boasts of a better Foundation then those thou accusest yet all in the Light know the Devil is the Foundation and Author of every lye but who are in the Light and build upon the Light are come to him that is the true Foundation of Generations too and of which Prophets and Apostles bare testimony and is now testified that God was Light and in him was no darkness at all so Life and Truth is over Darkness and falshood this is our Foundation that have not cryed up any Light but Christ that Corner-Stone that grinds to powder all that it falls upon and in page 11. thou goest on to speak of Christ's Church we having said it was his body as though thou wouldst contradict that Truth as well as others sayst it is but his members for whom he layed down his Life but this heady notion being altogether sayest thou condemned by Scripture I cease putting pen to paper in this matter what thou meanest by the heady notion I well know not that except thy own Accusation that thou speakest before but if thou didst apply it to thy precedent words in saying the Saints were but Members in contradiction to those that in truth say his Church is his Body for thou art the first that wouldst make difference between the Members and the Body of Christ that I have heard of b●t some as blind as thy self have gone about to make him two bodies but Members without a Body as thou mak'st with a but I never heard of before but his fulness that filleth all in all is known to them and them only that discern his Body spiritual indeed and seen only with the spiritual eye which being blinded in thy self thou wouldst darken in others And so thou goest on repeating some Scriptures and then calling after thy wonted manner to see that thou canst not show and then again thou beginst and sayest thou givest us to know that the Bedy of our Lord was humane and when thou hast gone on as well as thou canst to prove the first Adam and Christ one then thou goest to make a difference for this man of whom we speak is not the made Image of God as was Adam sayest thou but the express Image of the Fathers Person so having spoken of things thou understands not thou brings a Scripture that thou imaginest would prove it by which thou provest thy own ignorance both of the day and the Scripture that thou art my beloved Son this day have I begotten thee which was sayest thou when the holy Ghost overshadowed Mary All that believe in the Light know the day of his begetting Abraham saw it and was glad David saw it and testified of it hundreds of years before the Virgins Conception at Jerusalem So thou that wouldst not have the Son of God begotten till he was conceived of Mary who art not only out of the Faith of Abraham and David but blinder then the Priests of the World for th●y have and do preach for ought I know that he was begot and begetting from all Eternity and that the day of his Resurection was prophesied of by these words This day have I begotten thee so thou hast so much pored on the humane body as thou callest it that thou must bring forth a birth like thy conception in the dark but I think there is but few that will bow to thy image for thou canst not give it a seeming life neither from Scripture nor Reason And thou goest on and sayest He calleth not God Father as we but how wilt thou prove it no more then thy othe● imaginations for Christ saith My Father and your Father without making a difference but thou differs and denies it But thou deniest Christ Prophets and Apostles words if they will not sure thy imaginations and bringest forth thy blasphemous thoughts for the Son sayst thou was from the Substance of the Father which was not the Diety that was begotten so by thy words wouldst thou make it appear that the substance of God is not Diety nor Divine O stop thy mouth thou imaginary man that in confusion and darkness wouldst speak of that which thou art shut out of for the key of David thou hast not and so canst not know the womb that bare him which was pure nor the seed he took upon him nor his begetting for he the Christ was not conceived in sin as thou wert nor as thou imaginest so thou wert better be silent then exercise thy self in things to high for thee for all that strive against the Light must be shut up in darkness as thou art and so goest on in thy twelf page saying God was in Christ reconciling here thou hast brought a Scripture to overthrow all thy former Doctrine for then it is not the humane that reconciles but God and then thou goest on to repeat what Christ saith had I not come into the World you had had no sin but now your sins remain because ye believe not on him whom God hath sent for I come a Light into the World and this his coming thou wouldst have only at that time at Jerusalem as if he had not come before or since I would enquire of thee Was there no sin nor sins till Christ was manifest at Jerusalem for had I not come into the world you had had no sin for the cause of all sin was and is the not coming to him which saves from sin who was and is and is to come and so he that was the Light saith I am come a Light into the World and the condemnation of the World was and is that men love darkness better then Light because they come not to the Light their ●ins remain and who refuses the Light come not to him that they may have life but in darkness and death read and talk of the Scriptures as thou doest that brings