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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A38109	The first and second part of Gangræna, or, A catalogue and discovery of many of the errors, heresies, blasphemies and pernicious practices of the sectaries of this time, vented and acted in England in these four last years also a particular narration of divers stories, remarkable passages, letters : an extract of many letters, all concerning the present sects : together with some observations upon and corollaries from all the fore-named premisses / by Thomas Edwards ...; Gangraena. Part 1-2	Edwards, Thomas, 1599-1647.	1646 (1646)	Wing E227; ESTC R9322	294,645	284

only give them the but calls them Brethren in iniquity with me scoffing at a saying of mine taken out of the City Petition But this saying of his need not be melancholy for want of company it hath brethren enough in the iniquity of it and who are these brethren but the Lord Major Aldermen and Common Councell O what an insolent bold passage is this The Reader need not wonder at his foul mouth and railing Dialect against me and my Book who cares no more for this Honourable Citie I doe not see how the Honourable Court of Common Councell can let it passe without questioning him to suffer a man who lives in the Citie under their Government to abuse them thus in print I am confident if the Presbyterians lived in a Citie under a Magistracie and Government where the Governers were Independent and should have abused them thus they would have made the Citie to hot for them 3. As for that I say of Overton and Eaton for all Cretensis mincing and shuffling I shall free my self from uttering untruth for Overton said after a boasting manner unto two sufficient witnesses that now there was an answer to my Antapologie and entred into the Hall-book and they apprehend him so especially one of them as that he took order to send me word I being then in the Country that an answer was certainly printing and for my greater assurance he had searcht the book and found it entred so that I and many lookt every day for the coming of it forth and I never knew before now that books were entred into the Hall-book but just when they were going to the Presse For Eaton an Independent Milliner I do not affirm that he spake the same words which Overton did for his words were spoken many months before Overtons only he is quoted in the M●rgin as an instance to make good those words in the second page of my Preface Their great words and threats of an Answer which were these that he gave out There was an Answer to my Antapologie and he had seen it and the Author of it had discovered me to be a poor weak man and my Book a slight easie piece neither good sense nor good English or words to that effect which Eaton confessed he spake before witnesses since my Gangraena came forth that 's all I say of him or meant and I suppose these are great words and threats of an Answer Only by the way I desire Cretensis to resolve me these questions and then I will give him a good account why I called Eaton an Independent namely What was the true reason that Cretensis Reply to my Antapologie being entred in the Hall-Book in Iuly last and given to the Bookseller to print was not printed but stopped And how it came to passe that Eaton if he be no Independent had the Reply to my Antapologie communicated to him to read and peruse And when Cretensis hath resolved these questions it may be by the next if he answer not truly I shall tell him the reasons of the stop and to whom else besides Eaton this Reply hath been communicated as to Master Sympson and may be tell him what Master Overton or his man or both have told a friend of mine about the Answer to my Antapologie as namely what the Licenser did upon perusing of it and of the Title given to it about The Accuser of the Brethren cast c. 4. As for the report of some of Master Iohn Goodwins Church c. I observe Cretensis denyes it not but puts it off with one of his usuall tricks That he beleeves I no more know it then declare it And indeed this is one of Cretensis jugling wayes which he makes often use of in this Book when he knowes not what well to say then he comes in with I beleeve he no more knoweth and I no more beleeve Cretens pag. 48 49. And truly 't is somewhat strange to me that he who is so hard of beliefe in divine things that he will not beleeve the Scriptures without reason and hath preached lately with much earnestnesse and violence that Faith is not to guide Reason but Reason Faith will yet in humane things beleeve any thing against all sense and reason But to put Cretensis out of doubt that I know and can prove what I say I offer Cretensis upon promise made from him and his Church that the honest men who told it out of their zeal to the cause and their rejoycing in an Answer coming and to perswade the Presbyterians to the truth of it who have alwayes much doubted of an Answer to the Antapologie shall not be censured by the Church nor looked upon with an evill eye nor hundred by this from being taken into the preferment of being a Prophet and preaching for Cretensis I will name the Minister to whom it was told and the members by whom and for encouragement to Cretensis and his Church to make this promise I will for present name the first letter of the godly Ministers name well acquainted with some of the Church namely Master B. Cretensis Sect. 26. page 38 39 40 41. spends many leaves in labouring to disprove the information given me of one Cosens of Rochester and related by me affirming that relation to be forgery of forgeries and all is forgery all over it and that in it there are well nigh quot verba tot mendacia and hee goes over seven particulars putting the lye upon each of them concluding there is scarce a clause of a sentence true in this Relation And as all along upon each particular so both in the entrance to this Answer and in the close of it he is full of jears scoffs and foul uncivill language Reply This story being the last of those related by me in Gangraena which Cretensis excepts against in his Answer and the story next unto that of Nichols and Master Burroughs if not more in some respects which he most insults upon and triumphs in I have therefore reserved it to the later end as being the last particular matter of fact I shall reply unto for the justification and vindication of my selfe against the foul-mouthd aspersions of Cretensis And I shall first speak to the manner of his Answer and confutation of this Story and secondly to the matter of it But before I speak to either of these I shall minde the Reader of that which I have often spoken of upon severall other particulars which I have replyed unto namely that hee must not look for all now that may be said lest I anticipate my larger Reply as also because there is a Gentleman out of Town whom I have expected almost this three weeks to come to London who can tell mee some circumstances in this story for proofe of some things more fully and cleerly then the Minister from whom immediately I received it And indeed I am told there is a mystery in some passages of this businesse about Cosens which being unfolded will

affronts offered to this Parliament by many of the Sectaries then ever was to Parliament in England by any men who lived within their power as for instance when Lilburne was committed to prison and such a Letter was come forth in his name against the Parliament in such an open vile manner and at such a time being prisoner many of the Sectaries of Southwark met together and propounded to chuse Lilburne Burgesse for Parliament and that Lilburne after so great favour and mercy showne him by the House of Commons after so high an abuse of the honourable Speaker the honourable Committee of Examinations yea and of the whole House as discharging him of his imprisonment without either acknowledging the justice or petitioning for the mercy of the House of Commons a favour that I never heard or read of granted to any man before and that I thought had been a thing impossible ' even against the fundamentall Orders of the House for a man committed by the House upon far lesse offences without petitioning to be set free should yet set forth a book to all the world justifying himself in his former waies and point blank charge the House with being unjustly dealt with in his late imprisonment imprisoning him contrarie to the knowne and declared Lawes yea further in severall places of his book after a bold and audacious manner abusing and bringing in dangerous insinuations reflecting upon them O what unheard of Malignancies are these I And so Mr. Iohn Goodwin in a Sermon hath uttered that against the Parliament the power of it as opens a gap to all sleighting of their authoritie and power and I beleeve never was there any such speech from any before himselfe 2 The Sectaries and Malignants agree in being bitter enemies of our brethren of Scotland and of their Armies the Malignants wee know look upon them with an evill eye as the first cause of all their miserie and cannot give them a good word and all the world sees how the Sectaries hate the Scots raise and spread evill reports upon them are as thorns in their sides heavy enemies obstructing them in all places where they have power devising alwaies to be rid of them and studying what in them lies to make a breach I could tell the Reader many speeches stories of the Sectaries in this kinde in reference to our Brethren of Scotland but it needs not for they that run may read it 3. They agree in this rather to have Episcopal Government and a Toleration then a strict Presbyteriall and thorow Reformation we all know this would please Aulicus and his fellowes and I thinke I can prove from good hands and if I should name them the Sectaries would say so to that some of the prime Ministers in the way of the Sects have said That Episcopall Government and a Toleration of their way would give them content The Malignants and Sectaries agree in Independency the Malignants now turn Independents and professe they are for Independency and for this I could quote severall speeches and name some malignant Ministers and others of note who are for Independency against Presbytery but this is now so commonly known that Britanicus a man who hath done them many good offices and cryed up several of them confesses in one of his Pamphlets about a fortnight since that the Malignants are turned Independents hardly a Malignant Priest about town but is for Independency against Presbyterie Lastly The Sectaries agree with Iulian the Apostata and some other enemies of Christians in these four things 1. Iulian was a great scoffer at the Scriptures Christ and Christian Religion as Eccles. stories mention and manie of the Sectaries of our time are fearfull scoffers and mockers at all things that are good Scriptures Trinitie Christ Ministery Ordinances what not there was never a greater generation of scoffers at Religion then many of the Sectaries of our times witnesse manie printed books as Arraignment of Persecution and his fellowes the Ordinance of Tithes Dismounted besides manie scoffing bookes against the Presbyteriall Government as the two Brethrens MS. with others of that kinde 2. Iulian was a great enemy to the learning of Christians used all means to overthrow learning so do manie Sectaries in our time 3. He attempted to get the Militia out of the hands of the Orthodox Christians as Theodoret in his Eccles. Historie relateth and the Sectaries have and do use all meanes within their power to get the Militia out of the hands of the Orthodox into their hands solely of which I could tell tales 4 Iulian was the great patron of Toleration for all Sects Donatists Arians Eunomians he was the great man for libertas perditionis as Augustine calls it the Donatists fled to him hee gave them publike liberty of Churches hee called backe from banishment Aetius the great leader of the Eunomian heresie and whether all the sects are not agreed with him in that as also with Valens another wicked Emperour who was for Toleration of all but the Orthodox I leave to their own consciences to determine And as I have made a Parallel between the Sectaries of our time and the Donati●ts Jesuits c. so I might now at large show in all the fore-named particulars an Antithesis and Dissimilitude betweene the godly Orthodox Presbyterians and the Donatists Jesuits Arminians Prelates c. but I dare not enter into it for feare my book be too voluminous having already exceeded that proportion which I at first intended when I began it all I shall do then in point of parallel is but to hint a few things which I desire the Reader well to observe of the difference in the carriage and behaviour these foure yeares last past all along of the Presbyterians both to the Honourable Houses and the Sectaries and of the Sectaries to the Parliament and the Presbyterians and for the truth of what I say I dare appeal to all the world yea and to the consciences of many sectaries themselves Though the Presbyterian party from the beginning of the differences between the King and Parliament among those who professe to stand for Reformation and for the Parliament hath been and still is without all compare the greater part of both Kingdomes the body of both Assemblies and Ministers the body of the people in Cities and Countries especially of persons eminent in place and quality yea and the Parliaments too of the Parliament of Scotland there 's no question the Parliament of England also after advice had with the Assembly hath declared for Presbytery having voted and formed into Orders Directions and Ordinances severall parts and pieces of Presbyteriall Government yet for all this have not the Presbyterians taken upon them to set up the Government in that manner and way as they conceive and judge to be most agreeable to the word drawing in the people with them but have waited upon the Parliament all this while for the setling of the Church

Answer to the Antapologie shall be with me ere long and that he may abuse me he abuses the Scripture playing upon that of Amos 5.18 resembling his Answer to my Antapologie to the day of the Lord the judgement of the 70. yeers captivity me to the sons of Belial his foretelling long ago of an Answer as to the Prophets predictions of judgement that the Answer to M. Edwards Antapol will not be for his honor c. Reply Belike I shall have a terrible thundring Answer from Cretensis when as it shall be to me as the day of the sore judgement of the 70. years captivity to the sons of Belial who derided the predictions of the Prophets a day of darknesse and not of light I know not well what the man means by this whether he intend not concluding by that time his Answer comes abroad to my Antapologie the Cavaliers will be quite subdued to try by his interest if he cannot procure some part of the Army call'd by Cretensis and his Disciples the Saints the honest men c. to carry me into captivity and to imprison me all my time in a Dungeon where I shall not see the Son nor be able to make no Replies nor never write against the Sectaries any more this I confesse were like to prove as bad to me as the 70. yeers captivity to the Jews to be a day of darknesse indeed but as for any paper writing an Answer by Reasons and words to be so to me like the 70. yeers captivity and a day of darknesse I cannot imagine I had thought Cretensis Answers would have been rather a day of new light to the world and to me then a day of darknesse especially considering what Cretensis faith pag. 16. of light and truth I am somewhat doubtful and suspitious of Cretensis threatnings because of the ill usage of some Ministers by some Souldiers and of many words given out daily by too many of Cretensis Saints in our Armies against the Presbyterian Orthodox Ministers I cannot well tell what other construction to make of Cretensis words they are very doubtful and dangereous words What an Answer to be as the sore judgement of the 70. yeers captivity against the sons of Belial and to be darknesse and not light I have read heard of such Answers in matters of difference between great men who instead of an Answer in writing or with an Answer in writing have sent an Army of ten or twenty thousand men and I must tell the Reader what increases my fears I cannot well tell how it first came into my head but I have had a strong opinion this 18. moneths and expressed it to divers that my Antapologie would never be answered till the Independents had got that power one way or other as to cast me into prison to seiz on all my papers and writings by which I should make good my proof and then they would bring forth an Answer to my Antapologie Now considering how far and how high in many things the Independents have proceeded and Cretensis threating me with such a kind of Answer I am apt to interpret him thus and truly were it not that there is a Noble General and the greatest part of the Army by farre as I have expressed often free from Cretens way and that I live in a good strong City neer the High Court of Parliament and by the Honourable Court of Common-Counsel I should expect and be afraid that his threating might be fulfilled before ever his Reply to Antapologia would be ready to come abroad But whereas Cretensis saith that he verily beleeves his Answer to my Antapologie will not be for my honour in which respect I have no great ground to be so restlesse and importunate in calling for it I Reply the Antapology I am sure was for the honour of the cause I undertook and turned to my honor both at home and abroad and made not for the honor of the Apologists and Independent party neither do I believe Cretensis Reply to my Antapology will make more for his honor then this brief Answer of his to Gangraena And however for the present Cretensis Reply when it comes first forth by his railings revilings scoffs and lyes put upon me may not make for my honor yet by that time my Rejoynder can be made and printed it shall appear to all the world that the whole businesse both Apologetical Narration Antapology Cretensis Reply and my Rejoynder will make for the honor of the Presbyterian cause and of my self as a poor Instrument pleading for it against the Zanzumins of the time and to the dishonour both of the Apologists and their great Champion Cretensis Cretensis in this 15 page makes an Apology and gives his Reasons why Mr. Edwards Antapology is not answered in so long a time as 18. Moneths namely That the Independents are not men who have little or nothing to do like Presbyterians having the priviledge of ease to Preach to bare walls and pews in their meeting places nor that shamelesnesse of forehead to make the subject matter of their Sermons little else but loose lying and frivolous reports and stories or virulent invectives against the Saints as the Presbyterians neither was the way free and open to bring light into the world but hedged up with Clergy Classique Councels as with thorns against them And besides Mr. Edwards took not much lesse then 18. Moneths time for his Antapology and therefore no Wonder if the Independents be not men of more expedition Reply Cretensis plays the Sophister here making use of that fallacy non causa pro causa giving the false cause of not Replying and concealing the true and that all these are false is evident 1. Because Cretensis hath had leasure to have attended the motions of my pen and hath since the 18 moneths given an account to the world more then once twice thrice and had leasure now the priviledge of ease to make an Answer to Gangraena and could he not with the labour of all these have Replyed to Antapology It should seem for all the weaknesse contradictions and such like which Cretensis speaks of Antapology 't is a hard piece that Cretensis can write and print five several Books have time enough from his constant and standing labors with those who have committed themselves to him in the Lord before he finde time to Reply to Antapology Besides Cretensis had five great Champions the Apologists to assist him in it some of which will be found to have or to take more priviledge of ease and seldom Preaching then the Presbyterians use to take and some of them have had leasure to Print other things since wherein not so much concerned as also Cretensis hath a priviledge of ease and idlenesse when he pleases to help himself which none of the Presbyterians have viz. to appoint some of his Prophets in his Church to Preach for him which he frequently practises upon all occasions as I can prove and hath

me But to come to the particulars for the first words that Cosens should say Iesus Christ was a Bastard 't is confessed by him who related it though he had it from a very good hand that those words are not found in the deposition againg him before two Justices but these Christ alas he was a child and you must not beleeve all the words hee said and for the fuller satisfaction of the Reader I do here set down the Information and Deposition to tittle as it was taken before the Major of Rochester and another Justice of Peace Civit. Roffens The Information of John Cosens of Chatham ' taken upon oath the 19 day of August 1644. before John Philpot Major and Philip Ward Esquire Iustices of Peace within the said City WHo saith that about July last was twelve months he being at work at the house of Master William Cobbams in the said City with Robert Cosens his brother they fell into discourse concerning the Book of Common Prayer when the said Robert offered to lay a wager that the same should be put down within a moneth and should be read no more whereupon the said Iohn Cosens replyed why Brother there are many things there commanded by God by what God saith the said Robert to whom he answered by our Saviour Christ Our Saviour Christ said Robert Cosens alas he was a child and you must not beleeve all the words he said his mark Iohn Cosens Iohn Philpot Major Philip Ward Vera Copia examinat per me Iohan Goldwell Now I appeale to the Reader whether these words related in this Deposition be not Blasphemy as well as the other and whether a mistake might not easily arise from these words deposed to report the other but to put Cretensis out of doubt that 't is no lye nor forgery to report such words yea and more of some Sectaries Cretensis Saints and therefore he needed not to have triumphed so much in it I will give him two instances of Sectaries who have blasphemed after this manner The first is one Coleburne of Watford in the liberty of Saint Albons a great Anabaptist and Sectarie who spake these words that our Saviour Christ was a bastard and the first time that he taught was in a tub upon the sea This was found by a Jury upon oath and was returned into the Kings Bench by Certiorarie in Michaelmas Terme last The second is one in Midlesex who is indited at the Kings Bench for saying that our Saviour Christ was a bastard and the Virgin Mary a with many other blasphemous words which being so horrid and filthy I think not fit to make publike This is found by the grand Inquest in Candlemas Terme last upon the knowledge of one of the said grand Inquest and to assure the Reader of what I write I have by me the whole Processe and particulars at large which I fetched out of the Crowne Office subscribed with the Clarks hand which because they are so large and I have much exceeded the number of sheets I alotted to this Reply I forbeare to Print them but if Cretensis doubt of the truth of what I here write he may if he will be at the charge have the whole proceedings out of the Crown Office attested under hand And for Cosens speaking these very words Cretensis a little after thoug here he denies them yet confesses these words were charged upon him though upon examination waved else what meanes that passage of Cretensis the witnesse upon whose single testimony originally both these and the former words were charged upon him Now what those former words were I desire Cretensis to resolve in his Rejoynder For the second that if Jesus Christ were upon the Earth again hee would be ashamed of many things he then did This second part of the Relation of the Information Cretensis calls ●a lye and the second in order and thereupon enlarges himself after this manner For neither did the man namely Cosens speak any such words as these the witnesse upon whose single testimony originally both these and the former words were charged upon him upon rexamination and that upon oath before the Committee of the County waved both the one and the other as appeares by the said examination under the hand of the Clark of the said Committee which I saw and read and is forth comming for any man to peruse for his further satisfaction Now that the Reader may see what Cretensis confidence and impudencie is and that Cosens spake such words as these I desire him to read what followes to a word taken out of the originalls kept in the Majors Court of Rochester Civit. Roffens The Information of Francis Tillet taken upon Oath the 19. of August 1644. before Master John Philpot Major Philip Ward and Barnabas Walsall Iustices of the Peace within the said City WHo saith that in Lent was twelve moneths last he being upon his duty at the guard of the Bridg at the Centry with Robert Cosens and some others he being talking with the said Robert Cosens about the troubles of the Church and some speech of our Saviour Christ he the said Cosens then said that if our Saviour Christ were now again upon the Earth he would be ashamed of what he had done and he further saith that he heard Iohn Patten of Saint Margarets and Iohn Cosens Brother of the said Robert declare that they have heard him say to the effect aforesaid the Marke of the said Francis Q Tillet Iohn Philpot Major Philip Ward Barnabas Walsall Vera Copia examinat per me Iohan Goldwell Now for that which Cretens alledges here to clear Cosens that he never spake any such words as these 't is all false as I shall demonstrate it to the Reader and I am confident that Cretensis with all his Rhetorick and great swelling six footed words can never clear himself but must blush for shame unlesse he be past it and confesse that either he was too credulous to beleeve such a Sectary and a man in his own cause as Cosens or else out of haste and eagernesse to confute me mistooke the businesse quite or which is worse did wilfully and on purpose write thus to brand me hoping that I should not be able to disprove him by ever getting the Records to testifie the contrary and before I do particularly disprove these six or seven lines of Cretensis I shall usher in what I have to say by retorting justly Cretensis words upon himself which he unjustly used against me That forgery of forgeries and all is forgery all over for in this confutation of Cretensis by which you may judge both of those many that go before it and those few that follow after There are not only well-nigh but altogether quot verba tot mendica and yet even this hath this banner of confidence displayed for the credit of it as appears by the said examination under hand of the Clerk of the said Committee which I saw and read and