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A48860 A further defence of the report Vindicating it from Mr. Alsops Cavils, and shewing the difference between Mr. W's and my self to be real, and the charge in my appeal to be true. Lobb, Stephen, d. 1699. 1698 (1698) Wing L2724; ESTC R218961 51,757 90

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one th●● and therefore not speaking a word of another t●●● of a distinct Nature he must be interpreted to ●●ject that other as if he who writes of Botannicks m●●● be look'd on as a denyer of the Existence of ●●nerals because he confines his Discourse to 〈◊〉 matter in hand 6. This Objection must be either the most T●● fling one that ever was started or be most Fer●●●● of Blasphemous Absurdities For if when we 〈◊〉 course of what Christ hath done and suffered for ●●ners without them the not mentioning Regen●●tion Conversion Repentance c. be a Rejec● them it must be because these things are Essen●●● P●rts of Christ's Obedience and Sufferings what ●●ore evident than that if Regeneration Repen●●●ce Good Works c. be not Essential Parts of ●●at Christ has done and suffered for Sinners the ●●orter when he gave the Substance of what we 〈◊〉 to believe of Christ's Obedience and Sufferings 〈◊〉 he did not mention Regeneration c. cannot 〈◊〉 justly esteemed a Rejecter of them whence 〈◊〉 good Man's pretences for his Charge against the ●●●orter tho' on it as is said by many the Sub●●●ce of his late Rhapsodie depends dwindles into ●●hing and the Objection appears to be a most ●●●fling one But 1. If Regeneration Conversion Repentance 〈◊〉 Obedience c. be essential Parts of what ●●rist has done and suffered for Sinners without 〈◊〉 then 't will follow 1. That a Man may be ●●nerated converted and sanctified as well as ●●ified and adopted by a mere external or relative ●●ange And Regeneration Sanctification c. ●●port no more an internal Physical Change on the ●●art and Life than Justification doth For if they 〈◊〉 the Essentials of what only is done without us Christs Obedience and Sufferings are acknowledg●● to be in this Place by Mr. A himself they 〈◊〉 be as perfect in their own Nature without 〈◊〉 as Christs Satisfaction is which is a Notion if ●●ad been true that would have been very useful 〈◊〉 the Libertines Ranters and Debauchees of the Age 〈◊〉 tho' they make no Conscience of what they 〈◊〉 write or do do nevertheless please themselves ●●th the conceit of their being in a blessed State as generated converted and sanctified which ac●●ding to the natural and easie Consequence that ●●es from what strength Mr. A's Objection has in 〈◊〉 may be without a work wrought in them And ●●t be thus then Christ in doing and suffering for Sinners regenerated converted sanctified them c. an● all this without them they still remaining in themselve● as Vile and as Vicious as ever Again 't will follo●● 2. That if the Substance of what Christ hath do●● and suffered for Sinners without them cannot 〈◊〉 given in a Formula unless there be the mentio● made of Regeneration Conversion Repentan●● new Obedience good Works c. then our Fait● Repentance new Obedience c. are included 〈◊〉 what Christ hath already done and suffered for Si●●ners without them as if Christ had believed and ●●pented for us yea as if he had done whatever w●● necessary for us to have done in order to our actu●●● Justification Pardon and entrance into the etern●● Glory This is the way of my Adversary who fears no●● to run upon the most dangerous Precipices nor 〈◊〉 give Advantage to the most malignant Heretick 〈◊〉 how ridiculously soever when he fancies ' tw●●● make against his Opposers But 7. That I may follow this witty Gentlema●● somewhat further I will go on to consider wh●● Use he makes of this Supposition which carries 〈◊〉 it the genuine Sense of the Reporter which he giv● in these words Here 's something saith he in th●● Draught that gives cause of Suspicion to tho●● who are of no jealous Inclinations For where●● he informs us that Christ suffered and satisfied th●● all who believe might e●cape Wrath to come and ha●● everlasting Life Here 's no necessity of Faith in ●●der to Justification no believing necessary to Pard●● of Sin or Peace with God no Faith needf●● to Union with Christ that we may have an I●terest in his Righteousness but only to escape Wrat● to come and the having everlasting Life To this 〈◊〉 answer 1. What is here urged being upon Supposition that the Reporter intended only a summar●● 〈◊〉 what Christ has done and suffered for Sinners with 〈◊〉 and with God and not of the Order between ●●th and Justification or Pardon there is no ●●re room for suspicion in this Draught than there 〈◊〉 the antient Symboles in which not a word of ●●●h's precedence to Justification or Pardon And ●●●ld an Antinomian imitate this learned Man in ●●way of arguing would he not be as able to vin●●●e his most licentious Principles from the Apo●● Creed as Mr. A. is to fasten his Charge on the ●●ter and after his manner professing an extra●●ary Zeal for that Creed press it that there is ●ecessity of Faith in order to Justification because 〈◊〉 word of it in that Symbole though it contains 〈◊〉 the sum and substance of the Gospel For if 〈◊〉 is not mentioned in the Formula composed by Reporter must be look'd on as rejected because mentioned in it then what is not in the Formula ●he Apostles must be also look'd upon as reject●● them as if they had held that Faith doth ●antecede Justification and is not necessary to ●●●on or Peace with God But 2. Why doth he Here 's no believing necessary to Peace with God 〈◊〉 he think that a Man may escape the Wrath to ●●e and have everlasting Life tho' his Peace with 〈◊〉 be not made When it 's said in Scripture that 〈◊〉 who believe escape the Wrath to come and have ever●ng Life I thought nothing less could be meant that they had on their believing Peace with God is as Beza Piscator Tolet Estius Pareus in Poole 〈◊〉 Reconciliation or as Vatablus ubi supra are re●●ed into Favour with God 3. The Godly learned ●heir general Discourses about these Points have 〈◊〉 thought it sufficient to secure themselves from 〈◊〉 slanderous Accusations as Mr. A would fasten the Reporter if they did but mention believing as ●●ssary to our Deliverance from eternal Wrath or to our having everlasting Life I might give a large catalogue of learned men on this occasion but will only instance in the learned Grotius who in the Summary he gave of the Catholick Faith in this very Point has it thus at nos intercedente vera Fide a Poena Mort● aeternae liberaremur This great Man writing to Christs Satisfaction saith that Christ did it that o● the Intervention of true Faith we might be delivere● from the Punishment of eternal Death But 4. The Reporter has one Passage more than Grotius wh● was never thought to reject the necessity of Faith in order to Justification namely and have everlasting Life Thus much the Reporter took care to inser● into the substance of the Gospel in this Article having a regard to that Place in John 3.36 He that be