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A68610 A booke of Christian questions and answers Wherein are set foorth the cheef points of the Christian religion ... A worke right necessary and profitable for all such as shal haue to deale vvith the capious quarelinges of the vvrangling aduersaries of Gods truthe. Written in Latin by the lerned clerke Theodore Beza Vezelius, and newly translated into English by Arthur Golding.; Quaestionum et responsionum Christianarum libellus. English Bèze, Théodore de, 1519-1605.; Golding, Arthur, 1536-1606. 1574 (1574) STC 2038; ESTC S112801 79,360 184

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perfecte in Christe at the sight of whome our most gracious father who notwithstandinge is a continuall enemy to al vnclennesse and filthynesse may holde himself appeased as he that is both singularly iust and singularly mercifull Quest But why dooth he not sanctifi vs fully out of hand Answere Nay rather you may maruel at his goodnes in y he drepeth any litle drop of regenerating grace into any man And yet why he should delay the full sanctifiynge of vs vnto another worlde there be many causes wherof the chéefe are twoo The one is for that wee be but of a weake faith therfore as much as in vs lieth we hinder the effectualnes of the holy ghoste The other is that in as muche as we be saued by mere grace not by works he y glorieth shoulde glory onely in the lord For if this holinesse were perfecte in vs then shoulde our rightuousnesse also bée perfect or cleauing in vs and so consequently Christ should not substantially properly bée our Sauiour but onlye an instrument to dispose vs after suche maner as we might afterwarde iustifye our selues by our owne rightuousnes which is flatly the foule detestable errour of the halfepelagian Sophisters Que. You saye then that betweene our sanctification our rightuousnes ther is such a proportionable resemblaunce that looke how great the one is so great also is the other An. Yea in deede For trewe sanctification cannot bée ydle and suche as a fruitefull trée is suche also is the verye fruite of it Wherfore inasmuche as our vnderstandinge is partlye inlightened with the knowledge of the trew god wee doo also partlye knowe him Forasmuch also as wee partlye assent to Gods promise and applye the same to our selues therefore wee doo partly beléeue And because our will is partly chaunged therefore we partly will well worke well Que. VVhat meane you by this partly An. That is to say not perfectly but only so farfoorth as wée bee borne anewe so as in one selfsame ground howbeit in diuers respectes there is cleannesse and vncleannes light and darkenesse beliefe and vnbeliefe good will and will declininge from good and spirite and fleshe Quest VVhat meane you by Spirite An. All the powers in man aswell superior as inferior so farforth as they bee sanctified or regenerated Quest And what call you fleshe Ans In a man that is not regenerated I meane thereby the whole man euen as muche as is of him wythin and wythout from toppe too toe And in a man that is regenerated I meane agein al his powers so farfoorth as they bée not sanctified or regenerated Quest But Iohn saith that the children of god sinne not An. The same sayeth also that they are ●yars whiche say they haue no sinne Therefore they be said not to sin bicause that although sinne dwell in them yet it reigneth not in them For the spirit fighteth in them against the flesh at length shall gette the vpper hande And in consideration hereof the regenerated onelye may rightly saye the euill that I would not doo that doo I and the good that I would doo that doo I not Quest Euen the natural reason that is in any man vnregenerated dooth oftentimes striue against his lustes And thou knowest that vertue consisteth in subdewinge the vnreasonable parte of the minde vnto reason An. What is to be thought of the Philosophicall vertues I haue aunswered afore I graunt there is a certaine warenes a certaine conscionablenes lefte in man to reprooue and after a sorte also to restraine the headinesse of the affections too the intente that euerye man maye bée vnexcuseable And therefore as for the philosophicall distribution a● it were of the partes of the soule and the thinges that y write cōcerning meannesse I not onely reproue th● not of any vntruthe but also praise and commend them as remnants of y image of god Neuerthelesse I saye y the distribution of mans partes whyche the holye ghost teacheth vs is farre after another sorte matchinge the naturall man the spirituall man the inner man and the outter man the new man the old man and the flesh and the spirit one against another And in those names by whiche vice is noted he betokeneth also euen the souerein and ouerrulinge part of y mind whiche the philophers make so great account of and finallye whatsoeuer man hathe of nature without the grace of regeneration Que. Is not reason reason then Ans Yes vndoubtedly and it alwayes becommeth better sighted by serchynge but yet it is alwaies faultie till it bée regenerated For first formest euen whē it vnderstandeth and discerneth the good it vnderstandeth it not ne discerneth it not as it ought and shoulde doo by reason on of the original corruption which the Philosophers could not so much as once ●…istrust Moreouer in many euen of the ●…eightiest matters it not only séeth not the truth but also vtterly and of set pur●ose fighteth against the truth Quest I beseeche you confirme these thinges with examples Ans I will. Although the Philosophers write many things notably and very ex●ellently concerning God the souereigne good yet notwithstanding which of thē●ll hath by his naturall insight perceiued ●he one substance of the Godhead in the thrée persons And yet there is none other knowing of the souerein good that 〈…〉 either true or that worketh saluation Que. But yet it is sayd that Trismegistus specially the disciples of Plato taught ●ome such like thing Aunswere It may bée that some men haue come to ●ome darke knowledge of this misterie ●…eliuered ouer by the Patriarks written 〈…〉 holy writings but away with y toyes ●f those men y séeke for the truth of these ●hings in y writings of the philosophers For when they come to the poinet to lay ●…rth the nature of god after they haue said many thinges accordinge to truthe ho●… sodeinlye do the cunningest of them sly● away to fondnes as the Apostle ryghtly sayth For from whence comes they● multitude of gods from whence commeth their deuidinge of the godhead in●● greater goddes and lesser goddes From whence comes the frantyckenesse of the Epicures From whence comes the stoicall necessitie too binde euen the god ▪ head it selfe Frō whence hath Aristotle his dotages dreaming that the worlde i● without beginning and without ending and takinge awaye all particuler prouidence And yet I wyll ouerslyp other toyes innumerable confuted in so many places by Aristotle himselfe To whom I pray you may we wyte the comming in of all superstitions but too this noble Ouer ruler Furthermore if wée come downe vnto man whiche of the philosophers coulde know himselfe seyinge hée knewe not the originall of the firste man and his fall Yea truely what can be imagined more awk more brainsik or more monstruous than the sayinge which many men cease not to father vpō Aristotle the wittiest of all
woord of the Gospell pertayneth too euery seuerall persone Wherfore as touching those that wee speake of there is found in them no stubbornnesse against the Gospell but onely originall corruption whiche notwithstanding is euen of it self alone sufficient to damne the reprobates Besides this although the condition of beléeuing bee annexed yet doth not the ordinance hang vpon that but rather that hangeth vppon the ordinaunce as which goeth in order before all other inferior causes Else see howe false and vnreasonable thinges insew For it will folowe that God in deuising with himselfe did firste set before him his whole woork as already finished and that accordinge as he saw his woorke should bée disposed of itselfe and not by him that made it he should therupon take occasion too determine that is too say too appoynt eyther too saluation or damnation Or if yee like better that god himselfe was vncerteine how the performing or not performinge of the condition woulde fall out Then must it bée concluded that Gods ordinance hangeth in suspence and that the determination of the case as Austin trimly sayeth is not in the power of the potter but of the clay And herevpon wil be grounded another false opiniō namely that faith hath not his beginnyng of God but of the will of man if it bee so that Gods foresight gaue him cause too determin vpon his choise Neither is it too the purpose to obiect that faith is not foresene forasmuch as it is a gift of god that commeth in by the waye but that corruption and vnbeleefe are foresene which are naturall in man after his fall For the reason of the contraries requireth in any case that loke in what degrée faith is placed in the ordinance of Election euen in the same degree must faithlesnesse or vnbeeleefe bee placed in the ordinance of reprobation Therefore if ye make faith foreknowen too bee the cause of the ordinance of election which is vtterlye a poynte of a Pelagian and therefore repealed by Austin you must needes deeme the same also of vnbeleefe in the contrarye ordynance of reprobation And on the othersyde if yee submit faith vnto the sayd ordinance as you needes must for wee be chosen to the intent to beleue and not bicause wee wold or should beleue you must nedes also in the contrary member submit vnbeleefe to the ordinance of reprobation Quest VVill you then make the ordinance of reprobation to be the cause of vnbeleeue as wel as you make the ordinance of election too bee the cause of faith Answer No. For the ordinance of election is in déede the efficient cause of faith But corruption or vnbeleefe with the fruites therof are in such wise put vnder the ordinance of reprobation as that the will of man is the first efficient cause of them and yet notwithstanding they be subiect too the ordinance bycause that although it bee not throughe the ordynance yet is it not besydes the ordynance nor without the ordynance that those thinges happen whereof the fayling cause and not the efficient cause is grrounded in God as I sayde afore For like as they onely beléeue in whom God createth fayth euen so through Gods forsaking of mannes wil sinne is krepte into mankynde and there abydeth yelding ill fruit in as manye as God listeth too leaue vp too their owne lustes that they may bee the cause of theyr own damnation whervntoo they are also inregestred and appoyncted from euerlastinge Furthermore that I may retyre vntoo the other question whatsoeuer is sayde of the forenamed condition whiche is annexed too the ordinaunce as who should saye that the ordinance depended vppon the condition it is vnfitly spoken .. For the ordinance of sauinge the elect sort is another thinge than the verye glorifiynge of the elect and the ordinance of dampning the Reprobates is another thinge than the verye damninge of them in somuche as the ordinaunce it selfe must needes bee distinguished from the execution of it The execution than of the ordinaunce of election that is too wyt the saluation of the chosen dependeth vppon faythe that taketh holde of Christe and the execution of the ordinaunce of Reprobation that is too wyt the dampnation of the castawaies dependeth vppon synne ●nd there fruites thereof accordinge t●o this saying of the Prophet thy destruction O Israell commeth of thy selfe And of this ordinance of choosinge some men too bee saued by grace and of refusing othersome too bee dampned through their owne sinnes we know none other cause but this one namely that the Lord who is both incomparablye mercyfull and incomparablye rightfull will bee glorifyed in that wise He that holdes not himselfe contented with this for asmuche as hee seeketh some hygher thynge and some rightfuller thinge than Goddes will hee is worthely reprooued by the Apostle for a ●rabler Quest Ergo God hateth some not for their sinnes sake but because he listeth so too doo An. This is a slaunderous obiectiō For it is certeine that God hateth no mā but for sinne for otherwise he had hated hys owne work But it is one thing to hate and another thing to ordeine one to iuste hatred For the cause of the hatred is manifest namely euen sinne but why God appoynteth whō he listeth vntoo iust hatred thoughe the cause bee hid from vs sauinge too the ende hee may bee glorified yet cannot it not be vnrightuous tōsideringe that the will of God is the only rule of rightfulnes For if wee speake of this soueraigne will of God which ordereth disposeth the causes of all thinges wée must not say that a thinge ought too be rightful before God should wil it but contrarywise that God must firste wyll the thynge beefore it can bee ryghtfull whiche who so considereth not shall reason but confusedly of this matter Quest But yet for all this God seemeth too bee a regarder of persons if he yelde not alike vnto all that haue done alyke For in this poincte all men are like that they bee corrupted by nature spred into them from Adam An. Nay trulye it foloweth not of necessitye that whosoeuer yeeldeth not alyke vnto like shoulde bee an accepter of persons but he onlye whiche yeldeth not alyke vnto lyke because hee is parciallye mooued by some circumstaunces that accompany the person it self as if two men were offenders alike the iudge shoulde acquit the one of them bicause he is rich or his kinsman or his countrieman For these be the persons that may not bee regarded of him that will iudge vncorruptlye But I pray you let vs put the case y two men bee indetted vnto you both in like somme and both vppon like conditions Nowe if of your liberalitie you forgiue the one his dette and exact the other mans dette accordinge too extremity of law shall there bee any excepting of persons in this behalfe What if some souereigne hauing a cupple that offend alike doo of his meere grace parden
tuousnes is ours by imputacion Abrahams rightuous nesse Rom. 4. 3. Rom. 5. 1. 9 Obiection a gainst this that faith is the free gyft of God by Christ Eph. 1. 4. Rom. 3. 24. 2. Tim. 1. 9 1. Ioh. 4. 19 Phil. 3. 12 Rom. 5. 6 8. 10. The thinges that wee attaine in Christ 1. Cor. 1. 30 what wisedome is Luke 1. 77 Coll. 2. 3. Mat. 17. 5 Iustificatiō or rightuousnes Ephe. 1. 4. Iames. 2 8 c. Math. 1. 20 Luke 1. 35 Math. 3. 15 Iohn 17. 4. Ioh. 19. 30 Phi. 3. 9. 10 1. Pet. 2. 22. Obiection against rightuousnesse by Imputation Phil. 28 Obiection against the sufficiēcy of christs rightuousnes for any but himselfe Gall. 4. 45 The partes of rightuousnes Sāctificatiō or holinesse ● Iohn 3. 9 Mat. 1. 18 20. Luke 1. 35 Rom. 8. 3. Col. 2. 9 2. cor 5. 19. Christe the second Adam Rom. 5. 18 19. 1. co 15. 45 Of our dubble birth Iohn 3. 4. 5. Rom. 5. 18 Our sanctification in Christ layde forth more plainely Rom. 8. 3. 4 An obiectiō against sanctification by imputatios Rom. 7. 25. Gal. 5. 17 Rom. 12. 1 vvhy vve be not fully holy in this life 1. Cor. 1. 1● The proportionable resemblance betvveen h● linesse and rightuousenesse Luke 6. 44 1. Cor. 13. 12 Spirite Fleshe 1. Iohn 3. 6 Of sinninge and not sinninge 1. Ioh. 1. 8 Rom. 7. 15 Of naturall reason the poure therof Rom. 1. 20 Rom. 3. 11 12. He meaneth Reason Reason is vt terly blind in matters concerninge god maimed in matters concerninge ma● Iohn 5. 23 Iohn 17. 8 what the knowledge of the olde philosopher was as touching God how litle too be regarded Rom. 1. 12 That is too say Reason Obiection of misagreing of the christen di uines Rightuousnes by comparison Math. 7. 17. 1. cor 4. 4 Rom. 4. 2 Tit. 3. 5. Obiection in excuse of mans vnablenes by nature Rom. 5. 15 16. c. A suttle shift to chalenge some peice of rightuousnes vn to man. Psal. 5. 5 Rom. 2. 10 Rom. 1. 17 6. 23. Heb. 12. 2 A pursewing of the former obiection Hire wages reward and recompence Rom. 4. 4 Luk. 17. 10 Of geuing to the worker 2. Cor. 5. 10 woorkes make not men rightuouse Math. 7. 17 18. Ro. 15. 16 good works bee needfull to saluation Rom. 8. 14. 1. Iohn 3. 7 Iam. 2. 21 22. Of faith that worketh not till it be very late Luk. 23. 40 c. Damninge for euill woorkes Rom. 6. 32. Rom. 3. 20. Oddes or difference in punishemēt Mat. 10. 15. Oddes in glorie 2. Cor. 9. 6 Obiection to proue that workes deserue A popish Epicurish obiection Rom. 4. 4 Rom. 7. 7 Ceremonies abolished by christe workes of preparation Ro. 4. 6. 15 Obiection of reward dew by couenant Gal. 3. 10 why works bee called good wheras they merit not what is mēt by redemption The conclusion of the things afore saide Acts. 16. 14 Ephe. 2. 8 Phil. 1. 29 To whom faith is giuē What prouidence is The prero gatiue of Prouidence Obiection against gods Prouidence Note this Another obiection against the same Gods prouidence resembled by a clocke Ezechiel 1 5. c. Examples of Gods prouidence Ioseph Gēn 45. 7 50. 20 Sathan an instrument of Gods prouidence Madianit●● Iudg. 7. 22. 2. Kings 12 22. Achitophell 2. Kings 15 34 17 14 23. Absolon 2. kinges 17. 23. 2. Kinges 18. 9. c. 1. Pet. 3. 17 1. thes 3. 3. 4 Gal. 6. 14. 2. cor 12. 9 Act. 2. 23 4. 28 Rom. 8. 22 Eph. 5. 25 The Instruments of christs death Luke 22 3. 4. Iohn 12. 6 Mat. 27. 18 Iohn 19. 8 Obiection against the foresaide examples Difference betweene ●● and By Rom. 8. 14. 1. cor 12. 11 Eph. 1. 11 Ioh. 14. 17 Rom. 1. 26 28. 2. tim 2. 2● Permission or sufferāce willingnes How euill persons performe Gods will. Rom. 9. 19. Psal. 5. 5 Mark. 3. 35 Obiection against prouidence bycause God created all things good Why the blissed Angelles neuer fell nor neuer shall An obiectiō that God should be the author of euill The necessitie inforceth not mannes will. Math. 26. 54. 56 Iohn 13. 11 18. Ioh. 19. 36 Actes 17. 3 Necessitie of sinning excuseth not sinne Rom. 7. 14 Iohn 8. 36 Rom. 8. 7. The conclusion of the discourse cōcerning prouidence Of fatherige euill vppon god god willeth none iniquitie Psal. 5. 4 ▪ How God willeth or not willeth euill Rom. 5. 15 1. Pet. 3. 17 Of sufferāce willingnesse Obiection against the foresaide allegations Gen. 45. 8 Psa 1 c 5. ● Iere. 25. ● Ezechi 21 21. c. Exod. 7. 18 Prou. 16. 33 Difference betweene the good in strumentes the bad in executing Gods vvill vvhat predestinacion is A worldly ouer scrupulous dout Rom. 8. 19. Actes 2. 23. Augustin de Ciuit. Dei lib. 19. ca 1. Twoo sorts of predestination The answer to the doure or obiectiō last afore named Rom. 9. 22 23. Another obiection vpō a distinctiō of termes Acts. 13. 48 Iude. 4 1. Thes 5. ● 1. tim 2. 4 The right vnderstanding of all generall or indefinite propositions concerning prouidence and predestination Math. 4. 23. Iohn 6. 40 Eph. 28 2. Thes 2. 3 Rom. 9. 1● Acts. 13. 48 Acts. 16. 14 Election must needes bee particular vvithou● an● peremptory or precise excepting of any persons Rom. 1. 19. Stubbornnes is the let of the effectual workīg of gods promises Mat. 20. 16 Conditiō of beleeuinge Absurdities folowīg vppon the fore said questiō The nature of contraries in reasoning The causes of vnbeleefe and of faith are subiect to gods ordinaunce Difference betweene Gods ordinance the execution of his ordinance Iocl 13. 9. A right popishe and worldly obiection Differnce betwene hating and ordeining too iust hatred Whither there be any accepting of persons with God. Rom. 9. 21. How God shapeth both the chosē the reprobates out of one lump The wilfull vnreasonable obiection of the worldlinges Ro. 8. 14 Nedes must the reprobates perish the cause therof The middle causes betweene the ordinance of predestination and the end of it Rom. 8. 28 c. Rom. 11. 35 Rom. 9. 22. Remedies ageinst the temptation of particuler predestination Phil. 2. 13. 1. Ioh. 3. 10. Ro. 8. 15. 16 Psal. 42. 11 Other ●o comfortable remedies Perseuerāce or holding out to the ende Howtrewe faith the effectes of it ar interrupted Marke too know an elect from a worldling vnelected ▪ or from a reprob●te Rom. 7. 13 Rom. 7. 15 19 Rom. 7. 25. No man must bee hastely deemed for a ●eprobate
the nurrishment of bodely foode ● suchwise as maye be to the sustenance ● his lyfe it behoueth hym to haue it ● farfoorth his owne as he may euen ●te it So also to the intent wee may ●cke the iewce of the spirituall and ●dles lyfe out of Christ it behoueth vs ● take holde of him with the mouth of ●●th and spiritually as it were to di●st him into vs As for Paules place ●●●erning Christs taking of mans na●e vnto him it cannot be fitly applied ● this matter for according to that all ●● wythout exceptiō might say they be Christes members which thinge the Apostle setteth downe as peculiar to the Churche alone and so also dooth the re●semblaunce of bodily wedlocke importe For euery man and euery woman are not one flesh but eche man is one flesh with that woman whose husband he is and eche woman is one fleshe with that man whose wife shee is And therfore this cupplinge into one fleshe is not of nature but of couenaunt and so also is our co●iunction with Christe into one spirit ▪ Too conclude If the Apostle had ment so as you say namely that Christe hath knit himselfe vntoo vs bu● by his Incarnation and that wée be ioyned vnto him but by faith he should rather haue sayd that Christ is of our fle●● and of our bones Quest On forth I pray you and shew● me what we receiue by being spiritual● made one with Christe through faith 〈…〉 you haue sayd An. Again wee enter into a howge g●… whose widenesse length depth wh●● as otherwise it surmounteth our capa●●tie according as the Apostle witnesse●● we knowe so farforth as the holy gh●… wherwith wee bée endewed sercheth the ●epth of god He that hath not spared ●is owne Sonne saith the Apostle but ●ath geuen him for vs all how should he not also geue vs all thinges with him Wherefore I aunswere that all thinges needefull for saluation flow into vs out of Christe when wee take holde of him by faith Que. But if it may be I would haue you ●hew vnto mee particularli which those thinges bee An. I answere then that some thinges are Christes owne in such wise as they ●leaue alwayes to himself alone and become not oures but by imputation of whiche sorte bee the thinges that he hath performed for our sakes namely that by becomming subiect to the law he fulfilled all rightu●usnesse and suffered the punishments dewe for our sinnes both whiche thinges the Apostle compriseth vnder the name of obedience And some thinges doe so rest in christ as yet notwithstanding the force and operation of them is spread intoo vs of which sort is the singular puerenesse of the manhod in Christ garnished with all gifts without measure which purenesse not onely becometh ours by imputation but also is the headspring and originall of our new birth and of all the spirituall gyftes that accompany the same Quest VVhat callest thou imputacion Ans That benefyte of God the father wherby he vouchsafeth to account Christes obedience as ours in as ample wise as if we ourselues had fulfilled the lawe and made ful satisfaction for our sinnes Quest But standeth this with Gods nature that he shoulde accept any man as rightuous for another mans rightuousnesse Ans In deede it is an other mans rightuousnesse in asmuche as it is withoute vs and resteth in another subiecte or person that is to witte in Christe and yet is it not anothers in asmuche as the same subiecte that is to wit Christe is ours yea and also is spiritually beecome all one thinge with vs by faith Quest Naye truelye if he bee become all one thinge with vs nowe it seemeth that what so euer he hathe in him the same is ours in very deede and not only by imputation ●ns Certesse were it once graunted y ●e very substaunce of Christ were bee●me our substaunce by reall copulation ●…d vnitinge whiche thinge foloweth of ●…eir opinion that auouche Christs flesh ●●d bloude to bee eaten with the verye ●outh and so to bée conueyed into vs ●en should your sayinge folow of conse●ence also Whereby it may be percey●d howe greatlye the doctrine as well 〈…〉 transubstantiation as also of consubantiation fighteth against the doctrine rightuousnes by imputation besydes at it also taketh awaye the verinesse of ●hristes fleshe I sayde afore that christ ●●d wee bee verelye made one in deede ●●wbeit that the same is a meere spiri●all misterye the hande whereof is ●e holye Ghoste and that the marke ●hereat it ameth is not the growinge ●●gether of the substaunces or of the per●●ns into one for to what purpose were at But that the spirituall life shoulde 〈…〉 that meanes flowe from Christe the ●isticall heade into his misticall bodye ●derneath it Quest Let vs returne too Imputation An. Contented and I saye that ly●● as whatsoeuer wāt of rightuousnes an● whatsoeuer spottinesse of sinne is in 〈…〉 the same is without Christe and yet ●● imputed to Christ So on the other side● I say that Christes obedience is out● vs as stickinge in Christe the onely ground of it and yet notwithstanding is imputed vnto vs And the foundaci●● of this imputacion is this that he is o●● with vs and wée one with him after spirituall waye and manner as I sayd● afore so as he was accounted a sinne●● not in himselfe but in vs and wée be ●● kened for rightuous not in our selue● but in him Quest But it is said that Abrahams fait● was imputed to him for rightuousen●● and not this obedience of Christes An. You knowe this that the thing● which go in order one vnder another ●● not contraries Fayth is sayde too 〈…〉 accounted vnto rightuousnes because is the instrument wherby the sayde obedience whereof the immutacion mak●● vs rightuous is taken hold vppon Aft●● which manner also we be saide to be iustifyed by fayth namely in asmuche as ● ●eth holde of christes obedience by im●ation wherof we be made rightuous ●est There is yet one doubt behinde we your sayinge that Christe is taken ●●de on by fayth agreeth with that ●…ich you said afore whē you auouched at all gyftes doo flowe intoo vs from ●…riste taken holde vpon by fayth For ●eemeth to folow eyther that faythe ●ot of the fathers gyft in Christ or els ●t this your latter sayinge is vntrewe ●r needes must faith go before taking ●…ld if christ be taken hold on by fayth ●●s The beginninge of our saluation ●●meth of God who firste chose vs in ●hrist ere we were born yea and ere e●r the foūdacions of the world wer laid ●…d also firste loueth and knoweth vs in ●e time of our being borne when as yet ●e be not geuen vnto Christ and graffed ●o him in verye déede but are too ●e geuen and graffed Therefore if ye ●ue an eye to the verye instant of the ●e wée doo both beléeue and also take ●lde by beliefe
vpon christ offered vnto ● both at once For the cause of a thinge ●nnot bée woorkinge in verye déede vn●se the effecte of it come foorth together with it But if yee looke too the ord●● of causes I graunt that the traynme●● of faith yea of trewe fayth goeth befo●● the taking holde vppon Christe and● consequently is geuē not to them y a●● already greffed but to them the are ●● the poynt too bee greffed intoo him Y●● foloweth it not therevpon that fayth 〈…〉 not geuen vntoo vs in Christe consi●●ringe that the heauenly father setty● his determination in his onely Sonn● dooth not then first behold vs in Chris● when wee be geuen vnto him but ha●● chosen vs knowen vs and loued vs 〈…〉 him yea euen before the foundations 〈…〉 the worlde were layde muche rath●● when as yet wee hated him like 〈…〉 Christe himself also toke hold of vs first to the ende that wee might take hold● him afterward Again loke what is begon in vs by grace that we migh therb● bee greffed into Christ and therfore 〈…〉 in respecte of the order of causes is do●● before our takinge holde vppon Christ● the same is increased and strengthen●● in vs afterwarde by the same grace i● Christ whom wee haue now taken h●● on by faith Quest VVhat then are the things that wee atteine in Christ An. Paule concludeth this whole matter most plainly and also most briefelye when he sayeth that God the father hath made Christe our wysedome Iustifica●ion Sanctification and Redemption Que. What meene you by being made ●ur wisedome An. The selfesame thinge that zacharie ●●eeneth when he sayeth that his owne ●●●nne Iohn Baptist is sent to shewe the ●nowledge of saluation that is too saye ●o shew Christe himselfe For the onlye ●rewe wisedome is this which Christe ●●acheth vnto● men namelye when hee ●iscloseth himselfe vntoo them whiche ●●inge the father also hath testified with lowde voice from heauen saying heere ●ee him Quest Recken you this among the gifts ●hat wee receiue by Christ Answere My méeninge is that Christe hymselfe 〈…〉 so géeuen vntoo vs to bée the onely tea●er of that trew and natiue wisedome ●● that hee teacheth himselfe vntoo vs For he is both the teacher and the thinge that this is taught And therefore amonge Christes giftes the verye foremost and chiefest is that he géeueth himselfe vnto vs when he furnisheth vs with the knowledge of himselfe Quest VVhat doth Paule cal iustification in this place Ans That wherby we bée made rightuous that is to saye so farfoorth perfecte sounde faultlesse and vnblamable as not onelye there is quite wyped out of vs whatsoeuer vncleanenesse is in vs from top too to wherby God who is singulerly pure maye by anye meanes be offended but also there is moste plentuouslye founde in vs whatsoeuer may so muche delight him in this humaine nature as he of his good will maye voutchesaue to crowne wyth euerlastinge lyfe And of that rightuousnesse whereby a man i● accounted ryghtuous béefore God the certeine squéer and inuariable rule i● Gods owne law And the lawe not only forbiddeth the thinges that are not to be done threatning euerlasting death for a penaltie but also inioyneth the perfect louig of god and our neighbor Therfore that a man may be accounted rightuous afore god there be two things required of necessitye that is to say the vtter absence of all sinne and the fulfilling of all right according to the lawe Que. But this was neuer founde in any mortall wight An. Sauing Christ who not onely neuer sinned but also performed y who le lawe to the full Que. Tell me I pray you was not christ perfectly rightuous euen from the very moment of his conception Ans In respect of his Godhead he not onely was rightuous from euerlasting but also the very rightuousnes it self y is to say the souereine and most perfect purenesse And in respect of his manhod he was indewed with singular holines yea euen farre aboue the Angels euen from the very instant of the conception of his fleshe But now by the name of rightuousnesse wee meene that which foloweth vppon the perfect performing of gods law which rightuousnesse christ had not in effect vntill he had finished the whole woorke that was inioyned him For this is the rightuousnes by the imputation whereof wee bee iustified or made righteous and not the foresayd essentiall rightuousnes which is proper to the godhead nor yet the other naturall purenes of Christes fleshe wherof wee will intrete seuerally by it selfe for want of which distinction Osiander hath ouershot himselfe to fowly Question But I see not yet how this rightuousnesse may suffice For inasmuch as we not only performe not the lawe but also are ouercouered with innumerable sinnes howe shal wee bee accounted as though we had neuer sinned that is to say to be vndefiled of our sinnes if the spots of our sinnes be not first washed out and that cānot be don without suffering of the punishments dew to them Answere Thou sayest righte Therefore whereas I sayde that Christ not onely brake not the lawe but also dyd most fully and perfectly performe the lawe thou must take his so dooing to comprehende in especially a satisfaction for al the sinnes of them that beleue for euery man is bounde by the lawe to loue god and his neyghbour perfectly not indefinitely but defynitelye that is to saye as hauinge regarde of hys owne peculiar callynge As for examples sake if a magistrate loue God but as some other priuate person dooth hée cannot bée saide too haue done his duetie because he is bound to loue god as a magistrate whiche maner of dealinge is too bée vnderstoode of all other kinde of callinges And Christ was sent to suffer for vs the punishmentes dew for our sinnes which thinge hee performed all his life longe but specially in that Sacrifice of his wherin he béecame obedient to hys father vnto death euen the death of the Crosse Therefore by woorkinge in sufferinge and by offeringe himselfe for vs he both fulfilled the lawe for vs and also made satisfaction for our sinnes Quest But in respecte that Christe is beecome man it seemeth he was bound by nature to performe the rightuousnesse of the lawe that is to saye too loue God and his neighbour perfectlye because the said law is laid vpon the very nature of mākind And therfore it semeth that his fulfilling of the lawe was not for vs but for himself that he might purchace himself life which thing cannot be said of the punishmentes that were to be indured by him for our sinnes An. Althoughe we should say that christ as touching his flesh purchased himselfe eternall life by fulfillinge the lawe whervnto hée was bounde yet were it no absurditie to saye also that the force of this desert is so great that it floweth also euē vnto the beleuers But the former parte cannot well be iustified