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moral_a assurance_n than_o you_o for_o we_o make_v no_o more_o requisite_a to_o the_o essence_n of_o a_o sacrament_n than_o what_o all_o man_n be_v competent_a judge_n of_o and_o our_o church_n allow_v no_o such_o baptism_n wherein_o none_o but_o the_o priest_n be_v present_a therefore_o if_o he_o vitiate_v any_o thing_n essential_a to_o baptism_n it_o may_v easy_o be_v discover_v but_o in_o your_o case_n you_o have_v no_o positive_a assurance_n at_o all_o of_o the_o priest_n intention_n the_o utmost_a you_o can_v pretend_v to_o be_v your_o have_a no_o ground_n to_o suspect_v it_o which_o in_o many_o case_n there_o may_v be_v so_o that_o you_o can_v have_v proper_o a_o moral_a certainty_n which_o have_v some_o evidence_n to_o build_v itself_o upon_o but_o in_o your_o case_n there_o can_v be_v no_o evidence_n at_o all_o of_o the_o priest_n intention_n and_o therefore_o the_o knowledge_n of_o it_o be_v uncertain_a and_o conjectural_a so_o that_o there_o be_v a_o vast_a difference_n between_o that_o moral_a assurance_n which_o we_o may_v have_v from_o the_o external_a action_n and_o that_o which_o you_o can_v possible_o have_v from_o the_o priest_n intention_n 4._o the_o danger_n be_v far_o great_a in_o not_o have_v this_o assurance_n upon_o your_o principle_n than_o upon_o we_o and_o yet_o we_o have_v far_o great_a assurance_n than_o you_o can_v possible_o pretend_v to_o your_o danger_n be_v manifest_o great_a as_o appear_v by_o this_o evident_a demonstration_n of_o it_o viz._n that_o in_o case_n the_o priest_n intention_n be_v want_v you_o must_v by_o your_o own_o confession_n be_v guilty_a of_o gross_a idolatry_n and_o yet_o you_o can_v certain_o know_v what_o the_o priest_n intention_n be_v this_o be_v plain_a in_o the_o case_n of_o the_o eucharist_n who_o adoration_n you_o profess_v to_o be_v lawful_a because_o you_o suppose_v christ_n to_o be_v present_a there_o now_o this_o depend_v upon_o a_o thing_n impossible_a for_o you_o certain_o to_o know_v and_o that_o be_v the_o priest_n intention_n in_o the_o consecration_n for_o if_o the_o priest_n want_v that_o inward_a intention_n which_o you_o make_v necessary_a to_o the_o essence_n of_o a_o sacrament_n then_o for_o all_o his_o pronounce_v the_o word_n of_o consecration_n hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la christ_n body_n may_v not_o be_v there_o and_o in_o case_n it_o be_v not_o there_o you_o be_v by_o your_o own_o confession_n guilty_a of_o idolatry_n for_o you_o do_v not_o then_o worship_n christ_n but_o mere_o the_o bread_n therefore_o suppose_v adoration_n of_o the_o eucharist_n upon_o your_o principle_n of_o transubstantiation_n be_v not_o idolatry_n yet_o since_o that_o depend_v upon_o a_o thing_n impossible_a to_o be_v know_v who_o can_v with_o a_o good_a conscience_n do_v that_o which_o he_o can_v be_v certain_a but_o in_o the_o do_v it_o he_o may_v commit_v the_o great_a idolatry_n wherefore_o