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A01324 A reioynder to Bristows replie in defence of Allens scroll of articles and booke of purgatorie Also the cauils of Nicholas Sander D. in Diuinitie about the supper of our Lord, and the apologie of the Church of England, touching the doctrine thereof, confuted by William Fulke, Doctor in Diuinitie, and master of Pembroke Hall in Cambridge. Seene and allowed. Fulke, William, 1538-1589. 1581 (1581) STC 11448; ESTC S112728 578,974 809

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in_o the_o unity_n of_o his_o body_n that_o be_v in_o the_o coviunction_n of_o christian_a member_n the_o sacrament_n of_o which_o body_n the_o faithful_a communicate_v be_v accustom_v to_o receive_v from_o the_o altar_n he_o be_v to_o be_v say_v true_o to_o eat_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n and_o to_o drink_v the_o blood_n of_o christ._n de_fw-fr civi_fw-la dei_fw-la li._n 21._o cap._n 25._o in_o the_o same_o chapter_n he_o appose_v sacramento_n tenus_fw-la &_o revera_fw-la manducare_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la to_o eat_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n as_o far_o as_o the_o sacrament_n and_o to_o eat_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n in_o very_a deed_n ergo_fw-la they_o that_o eat_v the_o sacrament_n only_o eat_v not_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n in_o very_a deed_n therefore_o christ_n gift_n be_v not_o only_o in_o the_o sacrament_n jewel_n the_o father_n of_o the_o old_a law_n receive_v the_o self_n same_o body_n that_o be_v now_o receive_v of_o the_o faithful_a aug._n the_o util_a p●n_n cap._n 1._o saunder_n augustine_n say_v the_o self_n same_o spiritual_a meat_n that_o be_v christ_n by_o faith_n but_o not_o the_o same_o corporal_a meat_n which_o be_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n tract_n 11._o in_o joan._n fulke_n augustine_n say_v not_o that_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n be_v our_o corporal_a meat_n but_o that_o which_o answer_v in_o proportion_n to_o manna_n as_o a_o corporal_a meat_n namely_o bread_n and_o wine_n tract_n 26._o saunder_n but_o tract_n 11._o he_o say_v quid_fw-la est_fw-la manna_n what_o it_o manna_n i_o be_o say_v christ_n the_o live_a bread_n that_o come_v down_o from_o heaven_n fulke_n it_o follow_v immediate_o manna_n accipiunt_fw-la fideles_fw-la the_o faithful_a receive_v manna_n therefore_o he_o mean_v not_o manna_n in_o this_o place_n for_o the_o corporal_a meat_n but_o for_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n which_o be_v spiritual_a meat_n saunder_n but_o he_o say_v further_a it_o be_v know_v what_o god_n have_v rain_v from_o heaven_n and_o know_v 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