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A85312 Of schism. Parochial congregations in England, and ordination by imposition of hands. Wherein Dr. Owen's discovery of the true nature of schism is briefly and friendly examined, together with Mr. Noyes of New England his arguments against imposition of hands in ordination. / By Giles Firmin, sometime of new England, now pastor of the Church at Shalford in Essex. Firmin, Giles, 1614-1697. 1658 (1658) Wing F958; Thomason E1819_1; ESTC R209761 90,499 170

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