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A18620 The state of the now-Romane Church Discussed by way of vindication of the Right Reuerend Father in God, the Lord Bishop of Exceter, from the weake cauills of Henry Burton. By H.C. Cholmley, Hugh, ca. 1574-1641. 1629 (1629) STC 5144; ESTC S107813 40,972 128

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THE STATE OF THE NOW-ROMANE CHVRCH Discussed By way of vindication of the Right Reuerend Father in God the Lord Bishop of EXCETER From the weake cauills of HENRY BVRTON By H. C. LONDON Printed for Nathaniel Butter 1629. TO THE RIGHT REuerend Father in GOD IOSEPH by the providence of God Lord Bishop of Exeter Grace mercy and peace be multiplied Right Reuerend and Honourable MY very good Lord It was well said of old Let Baal plead for himselfe And it may be said as wel now Let Babel plead for her self yea let him be blessed that dasheth her little ones against the stones And let it be done to her as shee hath done to others And let all the people of God say Amen Neuerthelesse herein if in any thing in the world great arte and skill is to be used For it is not for every fresh water souldier to fight against Babel The Poet saith In vitium ducil culpae fuga si caret arte And it is a true saying that God loues Aduerbs better then Adiectiues so as if a man doe good things and doe them not well hee is an offender notwithstanding so is it in this case he that will make warre against Babel and will not do more hurt then good had need to bee well prouided and aduised Plutarch makes report of one who vnaduisedly casting a stone at a dogge hit and hurt his owne mother and so many there are who ignorantly and inconsiderately contending against Babel doe grieuously wound the Church of God and as your Lordship saith truly do more wrong to their cause then to their aduersaries If any man be ignorant how this may be and bee willing to learne you haue well informed him in your last Book of the Old Religion wherin you make it plaine that though Rome bee Babel yet so long as she is Babel she shall haue a people of God in her so that as Saint Paul said They are not all Israel that are of Israel so may wee in this case They are not all Babel that are in Babel and communicate with Babel If then a man haue not a spirituall eye to distinguish betweene Babel and the people of God in Babel how much mischiefe may hee doe in quarelling with Babel I would wee had not too much experience hereof in some who make good your Lordships too just censure that Zeale transports them to such a detestation of the Romane Church as if it were all error no Church and so that no soule can be saued therein A fearfull and heauie doome of which a man may say as Saint Bernard said in another case Solo auditu contremisco I tremble at the very hearing of it Now your Lordship as a good Souldier of Iesus Christ and one of the Colonels of the spirituall Armie of the Lord of hoasts endeuouring amongst other errors to reforme this and to bring all into right and perfect order that is to traine all the souldiers vnder your regiment according to the old discipline which is to entend to cure Babel and not to destroy her before the time that it may truly be said of them as well as of others We would haue cured Babel but she would not be cured the time of curing being not past so long as it is called to day There are risen vp I know not what hot-spurres and bold Braggadochioes in the Campe who mutinouslie doe turne their weapons from Babel against you as if you were therefore become their enemy because you tell them the truth And amongst others one Master Henry Burton hath publikely taken the quarrell vpon himselfe in the name of all the rest who being otherwise a man of good parts as it should seem and hauing a good meaning to doe Gods Church some seruice yet ouerweening himselfe and forgetting his place hath giuen the common aduersary too much aduantage against vs all For being defectiue in Logick our best engine after the word of God and trusting to nothing but meer sophistry and failing in the truth or true meaning of all his allegations he hath not onely shamed himselfe but put vs all out of order hindred our good proceedings weakned our owne forces by diuision and strengthned the enemy Whereupon it being not any way conuenient that your Lordship should enter into the lists with him vpon an incident occasion of speech about this matter in the beginning of September it pleased you to accept an offer of my seruice in this businesse although vpon beare-say onely at that time and not otherwise I had notice of his misbehauiour Here therefore I tender vnto your Lordship some testimony not so much of the old innocent familiarity which almost from the cradle hath beene betweene vs as of my readiness to performe all parts of that Canonicall obedience which being due to all my Diocesans I am most joyfull to yeeld vnto you aboue and before all the men in the world Accept then I beseech you and protect this vnworthy seuē daies defence of your worthy cause protect it I say thogh not as your owne being vnworthy yet for your owne in respect of the worthie cause which is your owne And so I shall be encouraged to performe all offices not onely to my ancientest nearest dearest and greatest friend but also to my Bishop Lord and Gouernour and euer rest Your Lordships Chaplaine in all humility to be commanded Hugh Cholmeley TO M. HENRY BVRTON Rector of St. Mathewes in Friday●●●●● in London H. C. Rector of the portion of Clare in the Parish of Tyverton in Devon sendeth greeting MAster Burton as you are a man I altogether vnknowne to me but onely by your writings so I am not desirous to bee your aduersary in any the least point of truth I loue you in the truth and I oppose you in loue of the truth And if you can soundly and substantially conuince me of vntruth I professe before God and the world that I will yeeld vnto you without any more adoe being already willing to bee ouercome of the truth in this cause You need not disclaime the match I suppose my selfe your equall for time studies or labour and if your desire be sincere onely to finde out the truth Loe I am as you are Passe by our Reuerend Diocesan and let me beare the brunt of this skirmish Your victory shall be great enough and your foile farre more easie and tolerable Your louing friend and fellow Labourer in the work of the LORD H. C. THE STATE OF the Now Romane CHVRCH THere can be no more euident signe of a bad cause then if it be handled falsly and sophistically for as Euripides saith 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The truth is sound her words are plaine Falshood is sicke she needs must faine Which being so we may soone perceiue what we are to thinke of Mr. Burtons cause who hauing taken vpon himselfe to oppose men euery way better