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A34886 The proverb crossed, or, A new paradox maintained (viz.) that it is not at all times true, that interest cannot lye being a full, clear and distinct answer to a paper of an English gentleman, who endeavours to demonstrate that it is for the interest of England that the laws against transportation of wooll should be repealed. Carter, W. (William) 1677 (1677) Wing C676B; ESTC R18389 22,868 28

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the woollen Manufacture of England the Nobility Gentry and Commonalty do receive among them near if not more than Nine parts of it in Ten. For in as much as all who are well acquainted with the Clothing Trade do know that it is not a tenth part of the profit nor sometime the twentieth that is gained by the Clothier or first employer who frequently loseth of the very Interest of his money consequently it must of necessity follow that nine of ten parts if not 19 of 20 parts of the whole value of the said Manufacture must be distributed to the Nation so that admitting the whole Woollen Manufacture of this Nation comprehending Cloth Stuffs Bayes Stockings and all other sort of the said Manufacture do amount to four millions of pounds sterling per year more or less there will not come of that great sum to the Clothier or first employer much above two hundred thousand pounds if so much so that three Millions and eight hundred thousand pounds per year must of necessity be distributed to the Nation by virtue of the said Clothing Trade whereof we cannot but suppose the Farmers and therefore the Nobility and Gentry must receive the greater part It is well known also that it is solely by our Trade that not only this great City of London it self but several other large Cities of this Nation do wholly depend and which if our Trade were removed they would soon be deserted by their respective Inhabitants Then we cannot but offer to consideration where the Nobility Gentry or Farmers would find a Market for their Commodities or find a price answerable to them All which particulars I have been the larger in to remove that mistake which is all most as destructive to this Nation as the Pestilence it self which is that mentioned by my Opponent viz. That the Interest of the Merchant or the Interest of the Clothier and Artificer is not consistant with the Interest of the Nobility and Gentry the contrary being now made sufficiently to appear Thirdly My Opponents third Argument is That Wooll was at 10 l. per Pack in the year 1647. when it was Prohibited and that in the following year it was sold for 16 l. per Pack but that Wool hath ever since by reason the said Prohibition abated as is pretended of the price of it and is now not worth above 4 or 5 pounds per pack In which Argument there seems to be a failure in two respects one as if the Wool of the Nation hath never bore any price since the time of the Prohibition whereas it may be made appear that after the year 1650. Wooll bore a very considerable price from 10 l. per Pack to 24 l. per Pack according to the goodness of the said Wool and continued so for some time which shews us an other mistake in his Arguments as if the fall of the price of Wool were wholly to be ascribed to the Prohibition of it whereas indeed there are two other causes that are very evident First From the discouragement that hath been put upon the Clothier and upon the vent of our Woollen Manufacture by the French Kings Arbitrary impositions upon it to the almost utter prohibition of it wherby now there cannot be so much wrought of it as formerly which had otherwise certainly been and then no such occasion or pretence as this would have been taken to complain of superfluous Woll and therefore as this cannot be denied to be a true cause why more of our Wool comes to be unwrought then formerly so 't is clear that those very men that are now pleaded for by my Opponent I mean the stealers and transporters of Wool about Canterbury and the places adjacent not for necessity but for filthy greediness of gain and lucre have highly contributed notwithstanding the Laws of the Nation against it and notwithstanding the ruine of the Nation that is daily Jeopardied by it in which respect I cannot but confess that Rumney Marsh hath indeed created an interest by it self but it is such an interest which neither is nor hath been consistent with the interest of the Nation nor with the interest of the Nobility and Gentry in general so that the said stealers or transporters of Wooll have been the main and principal cause of both these inconveniences viz. both of the loss of our Manufacture and the lowring the price of Wool The other cause of the fall of the price of Wool especially of late years hath been the necessitating of Ireland to stock their Pasture-grounds with Sheep instead of great Cattel and those of the best breed of England by which means as Wool hath of late years been more increased than ever at any time before within his Majesties Dominions so the consequence of this extraordinary increase and not any fault in the Clothier or Manufacturer is that which hath not only brought down the price but hath occasioned so great a quantity of it to be sent abroad into forreign parts as it bears now almost as small a price beyond Sea as here and therefore that in this Argument my Opponent hath assigned that for a cause which is no cause at all may clearly appear because it 's matter of fact that Wool bore as good a price if not after the said prohibition as it did before for many years till that breach of Commerce was put upon us by the French King which we before mentioned and untill that unfortunate Act for so I must humbly crave leave to call it was made against the importing the Irish Cattle upon supposition that it would raise the price of Land here in England whereas the quite contrary effect hath been too much experienc'd viz. That it hath laid such a foundation for the impoverishing England as will not quickly I fear be recovered 4thly The next thing alleadged by my Opponent is That a limited Exportation of Wool will be more for the advantage of our Woollen Trade and less for that beyond the Sea than the hindring of it hath been Which assertion if my Opponent had really sufficiently and effectually made good he might justly have merited the name for being the greatest master of reason in England And indeed seeing a paradox more strange and more hard to be conceived could not easily be stated I could not but expect that some Arguments more remarkable than ordinary would immediatly have followed it but finding contrary to my expectations nothing beyond a bare affirmation that if strangers had a liberty to buy what Wooll soever they please they would pay the dearer for it by much than now they do and that our Clothiers would therefore have it the cheaper and by this advantage would be able to under sell the strangers in their Manufacture I say finding little or nothing more to be brought either by way of Reason or of Argument to maintain this paradox I was soon convinced that it remained as uncapable to be proved as it was before and a little