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A05535	A true narration of all the passages of the proceedings in the generall Assembly of the Church of Scotland, holden at Perth the 25. of August, anno Dom. 1618 VVherein is set downe the copy of his Maiesties letters to the said Assembly: together with a iust defence of the Articles therein concluded, against a seditious pamphlet. By Dr. Lyndesay, Bishop of Brechen.	Lindsay, David, d. 1641?; Calderwood, David, 1575-1650. Perth assembly.	1621 (1621)	STC 15657; ESTC S108553	266,002	446

as the Papists fancie which cannot be once named without the injurie of Baptisme but it should be a catechizing of children whereby they should giue account of their Faith before the Church And the best manner of catechizing were this That a forme should be penned for that vse contayning the summe of all the heads of our Religion and expounding them familiarly vnto which Faith and Religion the vniuersall Church of the faithfull should agree that the child being ten yeares old should present himselfe to the Church to giue a confession of his Faith bee demanded vpon euery Article and made to answere seuerally to euery one and if hee were ignorant of any point or did not well vnderstand the same he should be instructed Thus he should in presence of the Church and vnder the testimonie thereof make profession of that onely true and sincere Faith wherewith the Congregation of the faithfull worships God If this discipline were in vigour at this time the slouth of some Parents should bee corrected that securely neglect the instruction of their children as a thing not appertayning vnto to them which then without a publike shame they could not leaue vndone a greater consent should bee amongst Christian people in Religion and the ignorance of many should be nothing so great some would not bee so hastily carried away with new and strange opinions and in a word all should haue a methode of Christian Doctrine This was the minde of the most learned and worthy Diuine that hath liued in this last age wherewith let the Reader iudge if the Ordinance of Perth bee not agreeing An answer to the last head intituled Of the Administration of the Sacraments in priuate places TO the end the last Controuersie touching the administration of Baptisme and the Supper of the Lord in priuate houses may bee the better discussed wee shall premit some few grounds for cleering the question First The publike actions of Christian Religion are not tyed to any certayne time or place by diuine Institution but may bee lawfully performed at any time and in any place when necess●ty requires Secondly That the publike actions may be lawfully performed a publike Minister a lawfull Assembly and the forme prescribed in the Word must necessarily be kept Thirdly Howbeit some hold that Baptisme ministred by a priuate person is valide and effectuall yet no man can hold truely that it is lawfully ministred by such a person Fourthly Although the Communion Elements bee duly consecrated by a publike Minister in a most solemne and lawfull Assembly yet if he apply them only to his owne priuate vse or to so me other particular person making no distribution according to the Institution the action is not lawfully performed Fiftly The lawfull Assemblies wherein the publike actions may be performed are eyther ordinary or not ordinarie The ordinary are not defined in the word particularly but are left to bee determined by the Church which according to the generall Rules of Christian Policie hath deuided the Christian people in sundry Congregations called Parishes whose meeting in the ordinary times and places appointed are the ordinary Assemblies wherein the publike actions of Religion should be performed ordinarily Sixtly The Assemblies that are lawfull but not ordinary are the meetings of two or three at least in the Name of Iesus Christ wherein he hath promised his presence to heare their Prayers and approue their lawfull actions of piety In such Assemblies the Word hath beene preached and Baptisme ministred as in the 16. of the Acts the Master of the Prison and his Family were baptized by Paul The Husband the Wife and a Seruant make a Family where there be no more The Family of Priscilla and Aquila are called a Church This Pamphleter affirmes with Saint Augustine Paulinus Esychius Theophylactus and others That our Sauiour at Emaus did celebrate the Sacrament to the two Disciples with whom he communed in the way There the whole Assembly were but three whether the Sacrament was ministred or not at that time this is certaine as many as hold that the same was celebrated must also hold that three make the bodie of a Church wherein the Eucharist may be lawfully ministred and if the Eucharist much more Baptisme which was ministred by Philip to the Eunuch where there was no Christian Assembly conuened Yet doubtlesse he was baptised in presence of his Seruants who were witnesses to the action For Baptisme would be ministred in presence of some witnesses and the Eucharist cannot be lawfully ministred without some communicants Although a Temple bee not necessary at Caluine sayes in the 185. Epistle yet the Infant should be baptized in coetu aliquo Si enim infans clam baptizetur nullis adhibitis testibus illud neque respondet ordini à Domino posito neque Apostolorum exemplo Likewise that there may bee a Communion conueniat coetus aliquis ex cognatis familiaribus vicinis saies Caluine These grounds being warranted by Scripture and by the Ancients first wee shall set downe the Acts of the Assembly which yee labour to refute next your Refutation and Answere thereto The Acts concluded at Perth touching priuate Baptisme and Communion THe Minister shall often admonish the people that they deferre not the baptizing of Infants any longer then the nexts Lords Day after the Childe bee borne vnlesse vpon a great and reasonable cause declared to the Minister and by him approued As also they shall warne them that without great cause they procure not their Children to be baptized at home in their houses but when great need shall compell them to baptise in priuate houses in which case the Minister shall not refuse to doe it vpon the knowledge of the great need and being timely required thereto then Baptisme shall be administred after the same forme as it should haue beene in the Congregation And the Minister shall the next Lords Day after any such priuate Baptisme declare in the Church that the Infant was so baptized and therefore ought to bee receiued as one of the true Flocke of Christs Fold Item If any good Christian visited with long sicknesse and knowne to the Pastor by reason of his present infirmity vnable to resort to the Church for receiuing of the holy Communion or being sick stall declare to the Pastor vpon his cōscience that he thinks his sicknes to be deadly and shall earnestly desire to receiue the same in his house The Minister shall not deny to him so great a comfort lawfull warning being giuen to him vpon the night before and that there be three or foure of good Religion and conuersation free of lawfull impediments present with the sicke person to communicate with him who must also prouide a conuenient place in his house all things necessary for the reuerend administration thereof according to the order prescribed in the Church PP In the ninth head of the first Booke of Discipline it was thought expedient that Baptisme should be ministred vpon

reputed disobedient to his Maiestie that is either make a Constitution to bind all Ministers and Professors of this reformed Church to returne to these fiue Articles which they haue vomited or else yee shall be reputed disobedient ANS What the forme of the question was hath beene shewed in the Narration preceding and thereby is your malice discouered which yee haue need to vomit or it may be shortly this poyson consume your selfe Behold in what reuerence this man hath the religious Rites and Customes of other reformed Churches Thou art a very Satan the Lord rebuke thee PP As the Acts which are to passe in voting should be distinguished in number cleare in order particularly expressed from point to point because they should contayne directions of certayne actions to be performed c. so the matters offered to voting should be distinctly clearly and particularly proponed Neuerthelesse in this Assembly all was shut vp in a confused caption A multis interrogatis and voted at once voting in one Session Iustly therefore may these Conclusions be called Leges Saturae ANS In Saint Andrewes aswell as Perth the Acts were distinguished clearly and orderly set downe to the vnderstanding of all they were also seuerally reasoned and discussed The number order and meaning of euery Act made known Why they were voted in Cumulo hath beene shewed in the Narration and they of your minde had therein the aduantage for whosoeuer refused any one of them their voyce was counted negatiue and none taken to be affirmatiue but these who consented to them all PP In all free Assemblies such order is obserued in calling the names of the Voters that no publike preiudice be committed Neuerthelesse in this Assembly neither the accustomed order of Prouinces nor Presbyteries was obserued but such were called on first as were knowne to be affirmatiue Voters to discourage and disperse the negatiues ANS The calling of the Roll depends vpon the writing of the Clerke or the pleasure of him that presides in the Assembly and there is no Constitution in our Church for this vpon the breach whereof yee may inferre your nullitie PP Leo sayes Epist. 25. That some that came to the Councell of Ephesus were reiected and others were brought in who at the pleasure of Dioscorus were brought to yeeld captiue hands to their impious subscriptions for they knew it would be preiudiciall to their estate vnlesse they did such things as were injoyned them it is crimen falsi in gathering of votes either to passe by them who haue place and power to vote or to admit such as are not lawfully authorized Neuerthelesse in this Assembly not onely were some past by who were knowne resolued to vote negatiue but diuers others also disposed to vote affirmatiue were admitted or rather brought in without commission ANS In the Narration preceding this is answered PP In all free and lawfull Assemblies not onely Ministers but all others of whatsoeuer ranke ought to be authorized with commission or else they haue not the power of voting Neuerthelesse in this Assembly persons of all rankes not authorized with commission were admitted to vote as may be seene by the induction following ANS The Libeller giues vs a rule here which his Inductions will not make good and thinks that because it was the custome while the Presbyteriall gouernment stood in force that all Commissioners at least of the Ministrie should bee chosen by the seuerall Presbyteries it should now bee so But he must remember that sort of gouernment is changed and now they must haue place in Assemblies that are authorized by their callings to sit there aswell as by their Commissions When the Church was gouerned by Superintendents these Commissions were not knowne onely the Superintendents themselues because of their place and preheminence and such of the Ministers as they esteemed worthy to haue voyce in Assemblies came thither Now the Bishops on whom lyes the burthen of the Church affaires haue place by vertue of their callings to sit and giue voyce in Assemblies and Ministers by cōmission from their Countries and Diocesses because all cannot bee present nor may the Parishes in the Country bee left destitute of their Preachers at once This was the forme of the old Synods and Councells in the primitiue Church and that first Synode of the Apostles was not otherwise held If in that or in any Councell or Synode of the purest times yee shall find Commissioners appointed to be brought yee might seeme to say somewhat But your late orders we regard not and tell you now againe that your Presbyteriall and confused gouernement is ceassed PP It hath pleased his Maiestie in former times to send but some few Commissioners in his Highnesse absence to concurre with the Assembly and to propone his Highnesse desire thereunto c. Neuerthelesse in this Assembly not only his Maiesties Commissioners but also their Assessors gaue euery one vote whereas his Maiesties selfe being present neuer claymed further then the power of one vote ANS Whatsoeuer his Maiestie in former times hath done remitting of his owne right for causes knowne to himselfe should be no preiudice to his Royall priuiledges especially amongst these that haue abused and set themselues obstinately to crosse his Royall and iust designes The practice of these famous Monarchs and Kings who were in their times nursing Fathers of the Church shewes that Princes are not tyed to any number of Commissioners but as it seemes good to them or as the businesse in hand requires so they doe Thus in the Councell of Chalcedon where Constantinus Pogonatus whom yee alleadged before for example of equitable proceeding was present and President there sate with him other thirteene Iudges and Senators whose names are there expressed And it is noted in euery Session almost they sate there ex iussione Imperatoris and had definitiue votes Thereupon yee meet often with these words Gloriosissimi ed●ount gloriosissimi Iudices dixerunt In that famous Councell also of Chalcedon called the fourth generall there were present for Valentinian and Martian the Emperours eighteene Commissioners whereof sixe were Iudges and twelue Senators who as it is most euident through the whole Acts had the chiefe moderation of the Synode and vote definitiue therein Neither was this pluralitie of Commissioners receiued onely in generall Councells but also in Nationall as in the second Councell of Orangue Anno 529. where together with the Bishops ten Pretors and Counsellors of France sate and subscribed the Acts sent thither by the King Likewise in the eight Nationall Councell of Spaine holden in Toledo Anno 653. there late and subscribed sixteene Dukes and Earles In the twelft Nationall Councell of Toledo Anno 681. conuocate by Eringius King of Spaine together with the Bishops did sit the King himselfe and vniuersi Seniores Palatij The Ancients or Senators of the Court fifteene in number of whom in his speech to the Councell hee sayes Quos interesse huic Concilio delegit nostra sublimitas