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A02912 An advertisement or admonition, unto the congregations, vvhich men call the new fryelers in the lowe Countries, wrirten [sic] in Dutche. And publiched in Englis. VVherein is handled 4. principall pointes of religion. 1. That Christ tooke his flesh of Marie, haveing a true earthly, naturall bodie, 2. That a Sabbath or day of rest, is to be kept holy everie first day of the weeke. 3. That ther is no succession, nor privilege to persons in the holie thinges. 4. That magistracie, being an holy ordinance of God, debarreth not anie from being of the Church of Christ. After these followes certen demandes concerning Gods decree of salvation and condemnation. Helwys, Thomas, 1550?-1616? 1611 (1611) STC 13053; ESTC S116912 57,734 190

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these wordes might cōvince you all of your error in this point and they shall condemne you all if you repent not of your reaching and stiftly mainteyning that these Ministers of god retayning this their Office from god may not be members of the Church of Christ Hearken to their Office or ministery yet againe It is to punish evill doers and to reward or praise them that do well in which holy administration they are like vnto god and in applieing them selves faithfullie therein they do the worke that is proper to god for to execute justice vpon the wicked and shewe mercie vnto them that do well is the divine propertie and worke of god and so farr as the lord hath comitted auctoritie to Magistrats to administer therein they do the proper worke of god and therefore doth the holy ghost by the Prophett David speaking of Magistrats say Psal 32.6 I have said yee are gods speaking in respect of the great honor that is due vnto them by their holie Office where vnto he hath appointed them The some scope of that which is heare sett downe in this point is to shewe vnto you that the Appostle doth he●e teach that the Office ministery of Magistrats is an holy Office appointed of god and that the lord requires of Magistrats a diligent willing faithfull obedience which is pleasing vnto the lord the which obedience they preforming vprightly though weakely and fayling in manie thinges as Th-appostle confesseth he all the children of god did Iam. 3.2 yet beleeving the gospell of Iesus Christ and repenting of their sinnes how can it be denyed them to be admitted members of the bodie of Christ Is this a good exception because they are Magistrats why then you except against them because they are the holy ministers of god and do his will in faithfull obedience VVhat a doctrine of devills is this that anie should be denyed to be members of the body of Christ for executing an holie Office appointed of god For further proofe that it is an holy ordinance or office pleasing vnto god it is shewed in that wee are comanded to obey of conscience that is onely in that which is holy good for god forbidd that his children should be tyed of conscience to obey in anie thinge that is vnholy not good Th-appostle shewes heere that the holy ghost intends no such thinge when he saith vers 3. Magistrats are not to be feared for good works and 1. Pet 2.17 Feare god honor the kinge therefore if Magistrats shall comaund anie thinge against god or Godlines the people of god are not bound to obey for this cause Th-appostles when they were comaunded of the Rulers Elders of Israell that in no wise they should speake or teach in the name of Iesus answered whether it be right in the sight of God to obey you rather then god judg yee All this doth still give further proofe that Magistracie is a holy ministery or Office appointed of god onely for good and therefore none bearing that Office or ministery is for that cause to be debarred frō being mēbers of the body of Christ which is his church except men for executing an office comaunded of Christ should be debarred from Christ which is more then madnes for anie that professe Christ to affirme Furthermore hath god by reason of that high power auctoritie which he hath given to Magistrats comaunded such feare such obediēce so great honor to be given vnto them of all men and shall they whome god hath so greatly honored with such auctoritie dignitie power for bearing this honor which god hath putt vpon thē shall they for this be accounted vnworthy to be mēbers of Christes church This is to bring the greatest dishonor that possiblie cā be before god his people vpō that ordinance the ministers thereof vpon which and vpō whome the lord hath putt most honor on for it is a most miserable wretched dishonorable ordināce office or calling that debarrs mē frō being mēbers of Christes body And let all knowe that have anie vnderstāding in the misterie of godlines that if Magistrats ought not to be mēbers of Christs church they cannot be childrē of the kingdome of Christ and if they be not children of the kingdome they cannot be heires of the promisse for those that are worthy to be heires of saluation must needs first be children of the kingdome being begotten by the ●mortall seed of the word and borne a new 1. Pet. 1.23 all such are worthy to be members of Christs Church Therefore if you vnderstand your selves se this to be the end of your opinion That if you denying Magistrates and hold them vnworthy to be members of Christes Church you much more deny them to be worthy of saluatiō for if by reason of their Office they be vnworthie to be of the comuniō of the saintes vpon earth they must nedes thereby much more be made vnworthy to be of the comunion of the Saintes in heavē And thus do you by this your opinion hold and mainteyne that god hath appointed an ordinance and they that are his ministers therein by his owne appointement are by that their Office and ministery debarred of saluation Your sinne herein is no lesse then blasphemy against god in that you charge the most holy to have appointed an ordinance the executing whereof debarrs men from saluation wee hope you do it ignorantly as also your leaders Let not the antiquitie of this your error make it precious vnto you but rather vile and sinne not by tradition after the doctrines of men but be brought to try your waies by the word of god and set his spirit be your teacher and leader into all truth be not led by men for all men are gone out of the way and are full of ignorance error And to make it appeare how you are misledd in this be witched opinion VVe wil come to some of your cheife holdes herein whereof this is one Mat. 20.25.26 Luk. 22.24.25.26 M●k 10.5 45. There arose a strife among Christes disciples which should be the greatest And he said vnto them The kinges of the gentiles reigne over them and they that beare rule over them are called gracious lords but ye shall not be so but let the greatest be as the least and the cheif●st as him that serveth From hence you gather that kings Magistrates that beare rule in the world may not be of the Church To come by the gr●tions direction of the spirit of god vnto a due vnderstanding of this scripture wee must first seeke to knowe wherein the disciples of Christ did seeke to be greater one then another and if they did strive for worldly preferment then may your ground prove partly true but if they did not strive for preferment in the world or worldly preferment then is there no cullor that your collected ground should be true for our saviour Christ his speach is to
they do by vertue of that Magistracie which is sinne must needs also be sinne Hereby you charge the most high god to ordeyne give power from himself to Magistrats to sinne so you make it sinne in them to punish thē that do evill and to praise or reward the weldoers although they do it by the power and comaundmēt of god mainteyning hereby that god gives power comaundment to sinne what a fearefull estate condition is this where vnto this your error hath brought you how will they answere it that have do so stiftly mainteyne teach this error is this the least comaundement that they breake teach men so Mat. 5.25 To blaspheame the name of god in makeing him the author of sinne saying the holy ordinance of Magistracie which he hath ordeyned is sinne which they say that mainteyne that Magistrats may not be of the kingdome of heaven nor admitted of the Church except they first cast away their Magistracie for there being nothinge to be cast away to enter into the kingdome of heaven but sinne if there be no entring for Magistrats but by casting away their Magistracie then must it needs be said that Magistracie is sinne VVee go often over this point that wee might move you with carefull advised ●es to consider of it which wee beseech you by the love of god to do and not to dishonor god and your profession by such errors This which T●-appost●e writes to the Romaines Chap. 13. and that which is spoken from that place might suffice for this whole cause of Magistracie for their power auctoritie and administration but it must yet be opposed to another ground that is held and strongly mainteyned against Magistracie whereby the most simple harted are deceived and that is this The weapons of our warefare are not carnall but mightie through god to cast downe holds 2. Cor. 10.4 ffrom this Scripture divers that holds there may be some sorts of Magistrats to end causes and questions do yet hold that in anie case they may not make warr nor put men to death It is to be lamented with the teare of mens soules to see the simple harted thus mi●led and they are deceived vnder a dangerous cullor and great shewe of holines not seeing the deceipt of Sathan who transformes himself into an Angell of sight herein for what holie hart will not easilie be brought to thinke that war● is an vnchristianlike thinge where there is so much slaughter and blood shedd and which is accompanied with so manie calamities and mi● and which is followed mainteyned by so great force and violence by the arme of flesh so likewise is it a lamentable thinge that men should be executed and put to death by sentence of la● for offences Such Magistrats you will in no case admitt of wee pray you consider how should such Magistrats as some of you would allowe of order and determyne causes of controversie without the sword of justice who would obey their orders and decrees if they had no power to cōstraine would evill doers be perswaded by words to do well and would wronge doers by perswation do right why if they would not then were all your Magistrats labor lost they are but weake ymaginations to ymagine in your mynds that there can be such Magistrats but let vs come to your ground Thus speakes the Appostle 2 Co●o The weapons of our warfare are not carnal the ground and cause of this Th-appostles speach is this There were certen false Appostles Chap. 11 13-20 cropt in amonge the Corintheans that made a goodly shewe and exalted themselves and had brought the people in bondage and to vphold them selves in this their exaltation they sought to disgrace Th-appostle Paul And because his writings were of great power and aucthoritie that they could not ●●sten the aucthoritie of them therefore they sought to disgrace his person Chap. 10. vers 10. his letters saith one are fore and stronge but his bodilie presence is weake and his speach 1. of no value To this Th-appostle answeres vers 1. looke ye on thinges after the apperance and vers 2. esteeme you vs as though wee walked after the flesh though wee walke in the fesh yet wee warr not after the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not carnall In all this shewing and teaching them that they should not esteeme of him according to the out ward apparance in the flesh for he came not to make a great outward boasting shewe and to subdue and bring men in bondage by such mennes but by the power of the spirit for saith he The weapōs of our warfare are not carnall but saith thappostle Chap. 13.23 Seeing that ye seeke experience of Christ that speaketh in me let them knowe that have sinned heretofore and all others also that if I come againe I will not spare All this much more to this sence speakes he to the Corinthians And to him that spake those thinges he saith Chap. 10. vers 11. Let such on thinke that such as wee a●e in word by letters when wee are absent such also will wee be indeed when wee are present Thus th-appostle labors to shewe them that his ministerie was spirituall by the power whereof he came amongst them but seeing they sought to disgrace his ministerie by disgraceing his person they should see he would be the same in his deed present that they confessed him to be in writing absent with what vnderstanding can men gather from hence that there may be no other weapons vsed in the world then such weapons as th-appostle Paul vsed heere in his ministerie of Appostleship against false Appostles wee have written thus much of this that you might see how you are seduced by misapplying the words of the Scripture from the sence which is too vsuall amongst you VVel therin this place wee have learned of th-appostle what were his weapons in the ministerie of his Appostle ship teaching the Disciples of Christ to vse onely such weapons in the like ministerie Now let vs also for a full 〈◊〉 of this point in hand be taught of the same Appostle 〈◊〉 teaching by the same spirit and aucthoritie 〈◊〉 with what weapons Magistrats must administer withall in the office of their Magistracie And that is shewed Rom. 13. where it is said they beare not the sword for nought for they are the ministers of God to take v●gance on them that do evill Heere are the words sence of the scripture goeing together that evidently without all condiction that God hath given Magistrats power from himself and a sword to punish and take vengance of all evill doers for if they may take vengance of one then of Ten so of Ten thousand this hath god appointed ordeyned comaunded who is a gra●ious me●cifull god full of pittie compassion yea more compassionate then all men can be and therefore let not men pretend holines in this their compassionate and pitifull disposition that would