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A25196 The case of ministring at the communion-table when there is no Eucharist stated and discussed, upon occasion of a treatise entitled, Parish churches turn'd into conventicles, &c. : together with some preliminary reflections made upon two papers in answer to that treatise. T. A. 1683 (1683) Wing A29; ESTC R21330 27,156 35

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them but an overruling Power and Providence causing us to let go our hold and vomit up that sweet Morsel we had once swallowed we now address our selves to the Church of England that they would Fairly and Peaceably and Charitably give all again for the asking for and if not all at once by Degrees First granting one thing then another and then a third and so on our Arguments and Reasons being always as valid for what remains as for what shall be yielded to us and we continuing as unquiet and restless until we be possessed of all as we were before any thing was granted to us and this Motive being always obliging Peace and Unity which we promise to keep with them of the Church of England when they shall in this manner become of our Religion O Singular Charity and Divine Moderation I must confess our Author of Moderation a Vertue makes an offer Pag. 23 24. as if he would unriddle this Abstruse Notion and tell us what is Moderation But finding as it should seem the task too hard and dangerous and so hot that it would burn his Fingers and cause him to let go his Pen Writing for it after a flourishing promise he falls quite off from the true Question and Difficulty and leaves it to shift and plead for it self and betakes himself to the Commendation of the great vertue or habit of a Temperate or Moderate Mind and Disposition Which is very fine and laudable but nothing at all to his purpose which was to declare unto us 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Mediocrity of the thing as the Philosopher speaks He should have told us which was the true Mean in Religion which was the Moderate Worship of God between two vicious Extreams but this he either considered not or more wisely than faithfully avoided For I doubt not whatever he doth but a Papist a Quaker a Presbyterian a Jew a Mahometan may be a very Moderate and well Temper'd Man of mind and Modest but what is this to our choice of our Religion from the Equity of the same and Moderateness And yet this Moderator himself was but little acquainted with this Vertue he commends as may appear by his taking into such rude and ridiculous Consideration a Sermon laying forth the iniquity of Pretenders to such Moderation as he fancies But that I meddle not with as quite from my purpose Yet is it not so Impertinent as his extremities in wringing the Nose of all Canons and Rubricks of the Church which he stomachs with so much and strange violence of interpretation that he forces blood from them According to which Practice we shall never be able to understand one another any longer than we talk together nor then neither our Backs being a little turned and such canvassing used But we supposing that the Constitutions and Canons of the Church tho as in such Cases it must necessarily happen some few may admit of various Constructions were much more clear and intelligible before and without his Scholy than with it we earnestly demand of these Reformers of Reformation and Moderators of Mederation before they so apertly presume to modellize the Church according to their Scantling to give us the true Notion of Moderation in more General Terms than hitherto that we may know better how to accommodate our selves to their Expectations And Secondly that they would set about the work to purpose and prove by good Rules and Authority not their own the worst and weakest of all men that the Church of England as now constituted in all it's Habiliments Rites and Ceremonies is not the most Moderate Church can be produced or instanced in by them Nay I will venture to add one Challenge more If we cannot make it appear upon better Ground that more might be added than any of them shall bring that more should be taken away than is then we will lose our Cause and they shall Triumph with Cause who have hitherto without Cause This we would not have said but that we are perswaded we can do it and that upon this our unquiet and querulous Brethren would cease their Complaints and rest satisfied with the present State of things lest a worse thing happen unto them For tho I approve not that saying which Mr. Baxter notes as most dangerous to them and Notorious nor can I tell but by his Reports ever any such thing was said of Dissenters That if they would not be quiet they should have more things to trouble them Yet I say this according to all indifferent Rules of Judgment it is altogether as reasonable that the Ceremonies of the Church should be more Numerous as they can make it that those we have should be abolished or fewer Lastly we demand of these men if they cannot give us the true and genuine Definition of Moderation they would at least draw up such a Scheme of Religion as shall be accounted by their own Adherents moderate and not extream I confess I have met with a late Pamphlet which seems to aim at such an end bearing this Title The Woe of Scandal shewing the evil of imposing things on mens Consciences Acknowledged to be indifferent This Title imports a closer State of Matters than others but how he manages his Cause I cannot say having not read two Leaves if Pages in it And in truth I saw no Reason why I should had I but little else to do considering how his clearer State of matters is a perverting the whole Controversie This being the truer State of our Differences viz. The Woe of Scandal belonging to all such as refuse to submit to all such things as are acknowledged to be indifferent Lawful Authority and Judges of such matters requiring them But leaving that I return to Moderation a Vertue who in his Appendix against Mr. Hart or T. A. as he calls him would fortifie his loose Sense of Moderation Page 78 79. by a number of eminent and Learned Divines of the Church of England some of them but others professed Enemies thereof until Lucre and Ambition opened their Eyes to dissemble their Nonconformity and who these are I leave the Reader to judge as is very easie and therefore unfit to sway in this matter Others I acknowledge were truly of the Church and yet commended highly Moderation But what kind of Moderation The Vertue not the new Model And that is not at all to his purpose but against the bitter Spirits and strange groundless Animosities of Dissenters who had they their Wills would tear Kings from their Thrones as very lately they have endeavoured and Bishops from their Sees for to put down Ceremonies and think their own Blood and the Blood of others well shed to accomplish these ends as Mr. Jenkins for one hath said Lastly I grant that some Learned and Good men of our Church were much disposed to a Remission of some things Established But I pray upon what Grounds Any taken from the things themselves appointed very rarely do we meet with