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A14048	The rescuynge of the romishe fox other vvyse called the examination of the hunter deuised by steuen gardiner The seconde course of the hunter at the romishe fox & hys aduocate, & sworne patrone steuen gardiner doctor & defender of the popis canonlaw and hys ungodly ceremonies. Rede in the last lefe the xij articles of Bisshop Steuens neuu popish credo.	Turner, William, d. 1568.; Gardiner, Stephen, 1483?-1555.	1545 (1545)	STC 24355; ESTC S118747	102,679	202

an euel mannis doctrine shuld be holden in the chirche of Christe or i haue to proue that all mānis doctrine thoghe they were as holy as Poule was or wer angelles of heuen if they haue not receyned it of god ought to be dryuen out of Christis chirche And becaus ye harp miche on that strynge that thoghe a man be euel and a fals Prophete that he may bryng furthe not with stādyng good fruytes and make holsome doctrines we will examin that sayng a litle farther yit withe the learnyng of Christe whiche sayethe thes wordes cōcernyng the mater that is in strife betwene you and me Beware sayeth Christe of false prophetes whiche cum vnto yow in shepis clothyng but with in ar rauenyng wolues By theyr fruytes shall ye know them So mē gather a grape of thornes or of thistelles figges Euery good tre makethe good fruite but a rotten tre bringeth furthe euel fruit A good tre cānot make euel fruites nether can a rottē tre bryng furthe good fruites whether is the pope a rottē tre or no● if he be a rottē tre ād yit ye say that he may bryng furth good fruites and make holsū doctrines ether must ye be a falslyer or ellis Christes worde is not treue Christe sayethe also Matth. the xij Ether make the tre good ād hys fruite good or make the tre and hys fruit euel for the tre is knowen by the fruyte ye generation of vepers how can ye speake good thynges when as ye be euel for of the abundāce of the hart the mouthe speakethe A good man bringeth furthe good ' thynges out of the goood tresure of hys hart and an euel man bringethe furth euel thynges out of the euel tresure of hys hart Thus far hathe Christe spoken Now i desyre yow that ar reders to be iudges in thys mater whether Christe whiche sayethe that an euel man and a fals Prophet cannot bryng furthe good fruites and doctrines is more worthe to be beleued withe the naked truthe or master gardiner which sayeth that the pope whiche is a fals Prophete and an euel man may bryng furthe good fruetes and make holsome doctrines and necessari ceremonies and profitable traditiones for the chirche of Christe withe hys hystories and bys oft repeted good good and withe hys natural resones The rescuer As myche agreyng to the faciones amongest the florentines whil they were in theyr comon welthe When on demanded what he sayd to suche a matter beyng then in consultation he loked about and esspying out on of hys enemies sayd what so euer suche a man wold say poyntyng to hys enemy he was of the contrari opinion The kyngis maiesti lyke a noble prince hathe proceded in thys mater not vpon faction nor vpon displeasure or enemite but only truth therfore hathe reiected the bisshop of rome so far as he swarueth from the truthe And so far as the truthe will beare hys maiesti agreeth with all the world intendyng by the expulsion of the bisshop of rome not to confound the truthe but to purge it from suche corruption as by the bisshop of romis mantenāce did insect it The hunter Your meanyng is that the pope is to be so far reiected and bannisshed away as he swarueth from the truthe and no farther The bisshop of rome is an heretike for stubbornly holdyng of doctrines contrari to the scripture and he hys a traytour for makyng of hym self hede of the chirche of Englonde a boue the kyng Other heretikes conuicted of heresi arburnt with all theyr bookes thoghe they conteyn and haue with in them all the truthes and doctrines that ar in the hole bible and all men that rede them ar taken for heretikes and theyr bookes ar ernestly forbidden other traytoures conuicted once of treason ar destroyed and put to deathe withe all theyr good qualites be they neuer so many 〈◊〉 excellent But the pope bothe an archeheretik of the sect of papistes and a fountayn of treson and an hede traytour whiche not only withe wordes deniethe the kyngis supremeci but alfo beareth dedely hatered agaynst the kyngis maiesti and wold depose hym if hys poure were lyke vnto hys will by your procurement hathe goten a speciall pardon that thoghe he be a traytour and heretike he may abyde still in Englonde and that hys bookes whiche conteyn bothe hys treson and hys heresi may be red of all them that can rede them and vnderstand thē withe out all suspition of heresi and treson only so myche of hys traytourous doctrine and hereticall treson bannisshed away as ye hys childer iudge to swarue frome the truthe whiche ar so blynded with the darnel of hys canon law that ye cā not se it How can ye be iudges in matters of truthe of Christen religion which haue not bene exercised and brought vp in the truthe but in decrees decretalles extrauagantes counselles clemētines and suche other popishe learnyng where of ye haue goten suche a taste in the palates of your mouthes that what soeuer scripture cummethe in your mouthes it hathe a taste by your wrestyng of it of the popis decrees and decretalles euen as he that hathe touched coloquintida or aloe maketh all thyng that he touche the haue the taste of them So myche of the popis doctrine must be driuen away as ye thynk contrari to the truthe the fox must be so long han ged tyll ye say he is hanged enoghe and them must he be lette● down agayn but half hanged because he is a clerke and can say hys nekverse To speake in good ernest i thynk that euery man may se that is not wilfully blynde that the pope thoght he be a stranger and iustly cōuicted of ij great offences yit hathe more fauore shewed vnto hym then any heretike or traytour being an Englisman had shewed vnto hym in Englonde thes vij yeares Therfore he hath yu fauorers in Englond The rescuer So as thys hunter chasethe far at large when withe the only bisshop of romis name he wold hunt out all and destroy withe the bad the good also And so he myght haue kept all hys ye hold still with out ye can other wise disproue them then because the bisshop of rome vsed them or willed them to be vsed for they remayne not be cause he wylled or vsed them but becaus they be good The man pleaseth hym self moche that he proueth by dyuers examples that lyke as Aristotellis doctrine is called Aristotel and Terences comedies Terence so the popes doctrine shuld be called the pope But herken agayn if Terence spak that Plato had spoken whē terence were bannisshed myght we not use the speche still of Plato because it cam ones out of terences pen The hunter I ax of yow agayne whether thys terence was bannisshed for euel speakyng or for euel doynge If he wer bānisshed fo euel speakynge and learned the same of Plato when terence were bannisshed it shuld not be lawful to vse still the speche of

Whether we wil rede a standyng image as symmachus or a golden image as the other haue translated the true worshippers of god ought not to hūble theyr selues vnto it Therfore let the iudges and Princes of the world vnderstand whiche gyue outward worship to the standyng images and liknesses of Emperoures that they do the same that the iij. childer wold not do and therin pleased god And the properti is to be marked they say that god is worshipped with inwarde worship and images with outward gesture Thus far speaketh Ierom whos wordes whether they make for the outwarde bowyng knelyng and crepyng to images ar no let them iudge whiche ether haue learnyng in the scripture or any good natural wit The rescuer Thus they delude the simplicite of the peple with the ambiguite of the wordes and as uery enemies of the cros of Christe they labor to extinct all wayes meanes whiche myght set out the glori of the cros miche agreable to the turkes procedynges who forbiddeth open shewes or preching of Christis Religion thes men speak mich of prechyng but note well thys they wold we shuld se nothyng in remembrance of Christ and therfore can they not abyde images They wold we shuld smel nothyng in memori of Christe and therfor speak they agaynst anoyntyng hallywather They wold we shuld taste nothyng in memory of Christe and therfore they cannot away with salt and holy brede A supper they speak of wich they wold handle lyke a dryngkyng Finally they wold haue all in talkyng they speak so myche of prechynge so as all the gates of our sences and wayes to mannis vnder standynge shuld be shit vp sauyng the eare alone as by talkyng the deuel were so far onward of hys purpos to extinct Christe which with the subuersion of the orders of the world semeth to be the mark where at thys sect shoteth The hunter I delude not the simplicite of the peple with ambiguite of wordes as ye falsly belye me for i alledge the second commandement of god agaynst the crepyng to the cros and the kyssyng of it where as bothe the outward worship and the inward is forbidden Be that sayeth eat of no dog nether of the land nor the water vse the no ambiguite of wordes which shuld haue vsed ambiguite as it appereth if he had sayd alone eat no dog Therfore whether worship be taken generally or by excellencie for godly worship i wse no ambiguite for i declare openly that bothe the kyndes of worship is forbidden to be gyuen vnto images both it that standeth in inwarde faythe and loue and it that consisteth in outward gesture as knelyng and kyssyng and such lyke Now be cause ye cannot reson agaynst me nether with scripture nor naturall reson ye begyn ta rail agaynst me and say that i am therfore an enemi of Christis cros becaus i wil not suffer the cros nether to be worshipped with outward worship nor inward If that i be therfore an enemy to Christe then is almighty god an enemy to Christis cross for he doth the same that i do and it that i do i learned it of god Se now as ye fall in to the vice that ye accuse me of sum tyme vsyng the cros for a pece of syluer and other whiles for the Passion of Christe wher vnto if he be not an enemy that maketh hallowed salt equal in pour gyuyng vnto it Saluation of both body and soule let learned men iudge Is there any better meane in the hole world to set out the glori of the cross then the worde of god And thys meane do we so exercise and defende that ye moke vs and cal vs talkers Then lyke vnto a son of the shameles hore of Babylo ye lye where ye say that i wold extinct all the meanes that shuld set out the glori of the cross Where as ye compare me vnto the Turc whiche forbiddethe open shewes and preachyng of Christe i meruel withe what face ye call me Turkish in that behaff when as ye your self forbad the players of london as it was toldme to play any mo playes of Christe but of robin hode and litle Iohan and of the Parlament of byrdes and suche other trifles Now syr bisshop which of vs ij is more lyke the Turk The Turkes law is partely drawen out of Moses law partly out of Christis gospel partly out of mahumettis fantases and your law that ye bisshoppes of Englond now vse in the chirche is partely taken out of Moses law partely out the gospel and partly out of the popes decrees and traditiones for with Moses ye vse outward sacrifices to take sin away hallow temples and vestimentes and purifi wymen withe Christe ye baptise and rede the gospel with the pope ye crepe to the cros forbid prestes to mari and occupi infinite swarmes of ceremonies And we receyue no manis doctrin but the word of god alone Therfore your doynges ar more lyte the Turkes procedynges then ouris ar where as ye accuse vse with the Turke for forbiddyng of preachyng ye declare your spret to be inconstant and contrari to it self and therfore to be of the deuel for ye accuse vs a litle here after for preachyng to miche Ye blame vse fasly wher ye say that we wold haue yow se nothyng in the remembrance of Christe for we wold that all the peple that can rede shuld loke and se in the iiij Euangelistes Christis dedis and sermones and therby call Christ to theyr remembrāces we wold that the hole chirche of Christe no man nor woman except shuld bothe se and receyue the sacrament of Christe most precious bloude And ye lot vp the word of god for al the hole year from the comon peple and command all images to be couered as long as lent lasteth and suffere no lay man to receyue with the prestes the sacrament of Christis bloud in the remembrane of the bloud of Christe which was shed for vs therfore ye ar the blotters out of Christes memori and not we We wold haue Christes meane that he ordened to hold hys remembrance with in the chirche hole that is the hole Sacramentes and the hole worde of god to dwel richely in Christis hole chirche ye mangle and geld the Sacramentes and lyke made men as it doth apere vndestandyng Paulis word richely among rich men wil suffer non but gentle men and riche men rede the scripture which myght an hunderd thowsand tymes better and with les ieperdy put vs in remembrance of Christ then your forbidden and horish images do And so ye do acordyng to the prouerbe stele agous and for hyr stik down a fether when ye take Christis worde away one dele of hys Sacramētes and in stede ther of set vp blynd blokes and dum ceremonies Will we not let yow smel nothyng in memori of Christe becaus we speake agaynst anoyntyng of dede carcases and witched water Who ordened that such stynkyng oyle as

carnalite to dissent there in both from vs and them The hunter I desyre the good reder to rede ouer the argumentes which i haue made in my former booke concernyng the hauyng of the seruice and bible in the Englishe tong and iudge whether thys bablyng of thys Bisshop about my flesh and my sprete doth sufficiently assoyle my argumentes or no. Thankes be vnto the kyng of heuen which hath indued our kyng of Englonde with such lyght of true knowledge that he hath contrary to the myndes of all Pharises begone to set out the seruice in englishe Allmyghty god increase hys knowledge euery day more and more and gyue hym grace to do ther after and grant hym victori ouer all hys enemies both bodely and ghostly The rescuer The rest of thys famous work is specially agaynst me where in he calleth me the chefe setterfurth of the articles concluded in thys realm agaynst the mariage of priestes Where in he speaketh lyke hym self when the man sayeth further that Martin bucer asked me what scripture i had to proue that prestes myght not mary and thys reporteth he also lyke hym self And because he wold seme to be pryuy vnto the disputation betwene Martin bucer and me sum what he toucheth that was in our disputation spoken of but fasshoneth it lyke hym self at the leste that i myght know the man lyeth euen thorowly Thus he reporteth my reson made to bucer The same autorite hath the kyng ouer all prestes of hys realme and hys other subiectes that a father hath ouer his childer but a father may forbid the prestes of hys realme to mary then if they mary when he forbiddeth them to mary they break the commandment of god who sayeth childer obey your father and mother i trust no man wold thynk i shuld haue fasshoned the argument in thys wise for it hath no sequence in it And the father that hath but childer in the maior i haue gyuen hym a Realm and hys childer prestes in the minor And then in the conclusion i haue forgoten the kyng that i spak of and speke only of the father Whos mater is mych what in lyke perplexite rehersed as an honest simple mannes example was of Johan that maried alice robert that maryed an in process of the mater called an Johannis wyfe and ioyned to Robert which the audience heard merely and called it playn adulteri And after thys sorte wraghton hathe wrāglyngly rehersed my argument Then by your oun own confession it was your argument And thē he gathered thes cōclusiones first that a kyng may forbid all mariage second that ones mariage of prestes was law●●● be for the thyng for bad it Thyrdly that the Prince maketh sin that before was no syn with god To which conclusiones i will answer when i haue trewly rehersed my cōmunication with bucer The hunter Ye accuse me with out caus for the vnhandsum rehersal of your argument for i wrote your argument in thes wordes as my writen copie can yit be a witnes The same autorite hathe the kyng ouer all the Priestes and other subiectys of hys Realme that a father hath ouer hys childer But a father may forbid hys childer to mary ergo the kyng may forbyd the prestes and other subiectes of hys Realm to mary Where as it was other wayes prynted the composer and corrector was to blame and not i which was not present at that tyme. The reseuer With whome vpon the desyre he had to confer with me i told hym i was glad to speak Who when he cam to me after the maner of Germany made along oration vnto me conteynyng only the zeale he had to the truthe for trying out where of he sayd he was desyrous to talk with me I told hym i was glad to hear hym speak so indifferently But for as myche al● 〈…〉 Wher by to press one an other 〈◊〉 clerely taken away by dissention I told hym that scripture was out of autorite to any one parte becaus both partes wolde apply to theyr partye theyr own interpretation and there in stand obstinatly The hunter Mark here the crafty subtilite of thys wyly fox Be doth as a fox of the wod shuld do if he shuld byd a great lyon battal and say to hym Brother lyon thow and i must fyght but be fore we go together thow must pul out of thy month all thy long teth and cut of thy tayle and thy long clawes for where as we haue bene oft before thys tyme at stryfe yet could we neuer debate the mater and bringe it vnto a peaceable conclusion by the triall of ●eth tale and clawes but euer went away the mater beyng vndehated I counsel therfore that we tri thys mater by the cares Euē so thys fox gardiner perceyuyng hymself so far vnder Bucer in learnyng as a fox is vnder a lyon in streynghe before he wold dispute with Bucer he wold make hym by craft set a syde hys wepens the worde of god which the fox gardiner can not abyde that he myght set vpon hym ones disharnessed and vnwepened As for our party the Scripture is not out of autorite which ●●ll that all doctrines shal be tried there 〈◊〉 ▪ But as for your party the Scripture is 〈◊〉 autorite in dede for ye leane more to traditiones of men to the custom and to Generall councelles then to the Scripture where we alledge bibite ex hoc omnes for the hole supper and qui se non continent contrahant matrimonium ye will not hear the Scripture but as an aspis stop your eares leste ye shuld heare the Scripture The rescuer The spretis diffamed by the Anabaptistes miracles theyr be none wroght eche parte be sinners the Doctores of the chirche when they made agaynst them they called them men estemed them not and therfore i sayde for want of autorite to proue i wold vse Sacrates maner of disputyng with hym preshym which he shuld hym self grant he sayd he was content Then i asked hym where in and he sayd he cared not but he thought that the mariage of prestes was very cruelly handled to forbid it sub poena mortis I told he was a sore aduersari in thys becaus the mater touched hym self how be it the kyngis maiesti myght forbid it of the payn i wold reson with hym afterwarde and dowted not but the extremite of payne was in respect of the multitude mercifully to kepe them by feare from danger rather thē cruel as he calleth it Why quod Bucer how can the kyng forbid it i told hym then ere i entred the mater with hym de iure diuino i wold ask hym thys question what he ment by thys precept Honora patrem matrem whether the son brekyng hys fathers commandment in suche athyng as the father myght cōmand brak the commandment of god or no. Bucer answered yis I asked hym then whether pater was vnderstande only of father in nature or sather in