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A10973	Two dialogues, or conferences (about an old question lately renued, and by the schismaticall company, both by printed pamphlets, and otherwise to the disturbance of the Churches quiet, and of peaceable minds, very hotly pursued.) Concerning kneeling in the very act of receiuing the sacramental bread and wine, in the Supper of the Lord The former betweene two ministers of the word, the one refractarie, and depriued; the other not so. The latter betweene an humorous schismatike and a setled professor.	Rogers, Thomas, d. 1616.	1608 (1608)	STC 21241; ESTC S116109	75,976	132

into the celestiall paradise Bolton that first broched among vs those opinions which Browne afterward and his followers embraced as heauenly Oracles he saw his error at the last was ashamed of them and repented but how wanting grace to confesse so much before God and his Church like another Iudas he hung himselfe and so desperately finished his daies Coppinger that new prophet and copartner in Hackets conspiracie for pretended reformation he had a sight too of his errors and follies at the length and an insight also into the truth yea and after a sort repented but being destitute of grace to retract his errors and not able to abide the terrors of a troubled and guiltie conscience he famished himselfe to death as the storie of him doeth report On the other side Arthington his example is memorable he was vexed and pursued with the inward and most heauy iudgements of God vpon his soule so long as he tooke Hacket cursed Hacket to be his soueraigne King and Sauiour but he no sooner saw his errors fell into a loathing of them and made his recantation and reuocation of them but hee found much peace and comfort in his soule to his euerlasting welfare as himselfe confesseth in his booke therof vnto the Lords of the late Queens Counsel Clapham that out of England went first into the Low-countries afterwards into Scotland after that againe into ihe Low-countries then againe into Scotland and once more into the Low-countries and all about the controuersies betweene the Brownists and vs had a restlesse and perplexed mind and could neuer be quiet till he fell into a detestation of Brownisme and their founders the disciplinarians whom before he highly accounted of and had both returned home and reconciled himselfe wholly vnto the Church of England from which he had estraied as his Antidotum doth witnesse Such another was Pet. Faire-lambe as arrant a Brownist as euer liued one that for the propagating of that cursed sect had trauailed Sea and Land tossed in bodie troubled in mind neuer quiet and at rest til God opened his eies as he did Sauls that he might see and giuen him power to embrace the truth yea and to testifie the same by his publique Recantation extant and in Print before God and the world I am of mind my good Lord that there be among vs not a few of the Sectaries of al sorts which with Bolton and Coppinger do see their grosse ouer-sights and errors in the points controuerted betweene them and vs but few there be which with Arthington Clapham and Faire-lambe haue the face and grace to confesse them to the world deeming diabolical pertinacy to bee godly constancy Therfore that this their frowardnes may appere euen as it is both diuellish and hellish I haue set downe best knowne to your wisedome the examples premised of persons wherof all euery of them haue both openly retracted yea and by permanent monuments commended vnto the ages succeeding the reuocation of their slips and consent vnto the truth in which their doing they haue purchased to themselues no discredite at all but a very honest reputation among all good and wise men But all men haue not grace yea of them which haue it few haue the power openly and vnder their owne hands to reclame and retract that which erroneously they once haue held And surely thogh it be necessary that all and euery one which goeth astray from the truth do repent and leaue his wicked opinions yet that men should testifie their conuersion and comming home againe after one and the same fashion it is not necessary and vrgeable And therefore doe I commend mine Antagonist sometime M. Seffray who though he disliked yea and depraued our Kneeling at the holy Communion asmuch as any man could do witnesse his obiections following chusing rather both to abide the censure of authority yea and to be without the comforts which they participate that with one heart and mind brotherly and orderly come vnto the table of the Lord then so much as to bend his knees at the receiuing that most blessed and heauenly Sacrament yet notwithstanding after friendly and brotherly conference had with him thereabout altered his mind allowing that which before hee condemned He hath not the power weake man either to thanke him who after God hath opened his eies or publikely to disclaime his errors but he hath the grace for to abhorre them as monsters and so much hath testified by his late orderly and submissiue kneeling in the very act of receiuing the sacred bread and wine at the Communion the last Easter in the place of his now most vsual abiding A worthy recantation not verbal to be heard but real to be seene or heard of which I praise God for and pray that he may doe the like in other things ceremoniall which had he performed he had still enioyed a sweete and competent liuing to the singular refreshing of many a Christian soule hauing a very good gift in preaching and to the temporall benefiting of himselfe and his which he hath forgone as the forementioned Heliodorus did his Bishopricke chusing rather to leaue it then to condemne his vanities Whose example not in obstinate maintaining that which is erroneous and ill but in yeelding vnto the truth discouered if the other man whose printed Pamphlet or Proposition accompanied as himselfe thinketh with arguments impregnable as will appeare with vntruths blasphemies and impieties intollerable about the foresaid Kneeling at the Communion I haue here answered and confuted will follow I shall thinke my paines very well imployed if not yet shall the world see and perceiue the difference betweene a man simplie and ignorantly erring and a peruerted and froward Schismatike they being willing to heare and learne the other stopping his eares and hardening his heart against the truth the one flexible the other incorrgible the one of ill becomming good the other of bad prouing worse of a Schismatike at the first an Heretike at the last For no better shall I esteeme him if he hold on and the end of Schisme is Heresie if not Atheisme His cause is the very same and none other then M. Seffrais was his reasons the same too in effect though moe for number yet not stronger in force If therefore the said Seffray doth find in his iudgement the truth to be with me which is stronger then both and what either they haue broched or any man can obiect against the same and thereupon hath yeelded and resigned himselfe thereunto there is no cause the other man whosoeuer he be should frowardly and fondly standout Reasons ought but if they will not let this example moue him to conforme The former of these Conferences hath beene performed as the truth is both by mouth and pen by mouth authority nominating me therunto and M. Seffray calling for the same at my hands and was had at mine owne dwelling house in Suffolke the last Haruest by pen at the desire of the said Seffray

the vine are more inseparably conioyned than we to him he communicating vnto vs his vigor and virtue Furthermore wee testifie and make it knowne to the world how we are members of that Church which professeth and acknowledgeth how the Sonne of God by the Sacrifice of his humane bodie hath pacified God for the sinnes of man It admonisheth vs in like sort of the mutuall loue and communion which is and ought to be betweene the members of so sacred and sanctified a body Many other causes and reasons may be alleadged why this Sacrament was instituted at the first and is frequented still of Gods people whereof though the setting out of our Communion and spirituall familiaritie with him and reioycing in him be one yet it is not the onely end but many being besides many gestures in diuers respects and not one onely is required for the more seemely receauing the same externallie Againe there being many causes and ends of our receauing the holy Supper one and the same site of body neither doth remember vs nor can present and represent all those ends vnto vs and others And therefore as sitting may note our communion and familiarity so kneeling our thankfulnes vnto God But if this spirituall Communion and comfort onely be thereby signified as nothing is more vntrue yet is the same expressed by the other Sacrament of Baptisme as well as by this and represented as well by water consisting of many drops as either of wine effected of many grapes or of bread made of many graines Which Baptisme yet is neither ministred nor vrged so to be by Sitting as the Supper is Neither is our corporall foode alwaies and euery where to the greatest comfort and token of sweetest familiarity receiued Sitting but sundry writers haue their seuerall fashions in their friendly and comfortable refreshings some taking the same one way some another not all Sitting especially in the Easterne parts of the world The antient Fathers some of them called this sacrament as the Lords Supper so a Sacrifice and that which the bread and wine were set vpon as the Lords Table so an Altar Whereof saith reuerent and most learned Zanchie although that Altars serue rather and be more meete for the offering then for the ministration of the Supper yet seeing neither Christ nor his Apostles either prohibited Altars or commended vnto vs the vse of wooden tables therefore is this also of altars to bee numbred among things indifferent and free for all and euery man to vse tables either of wood or stone at his discretion prouided that all superstition be remooued For what is an Altar saieth that holy and peaceable man what is an altar but a table made of stones about which would not I contend saith hee if so be otherwise there is a consent in the true doctrine and worship of God All this hath Zanchie which we say of Kneeling and the like And would to God you would so thinke of our Kneeing and others Altars and of all things else in good vse in reformed Churches that be indifferent Then would then could you neuer say that not Kneeling and Sitting is for receiuing It had bin too much for you to haue said how not kneeling but auerring that Sitting is for receiuing as if none other gesture were for the commodious and meete receiuing thereof but Sitting is very bad The first admonitioners which so disliked Kneeling at the Communion neuer vrged their Sitting as a thing necessary as you doe saying not Kneeling but Sitting is for receiuing For say they wee make not Sitting a thing of necessity belonging to the Sacrament neither affirme wee that it may not be receiued otherwise Therefore better iudge they of these than you doe but they best of all who take them as they are things of themselues indifferent and so except authority determine otherwise like to be deemed and that as good Communion and society they haue with Christ and his Church hauing on them the wedding garment of Faith which receiue Kneeling as they which Sit so as no man for the very act of kneeling no more then of Sitting sinneth Schis We read not of any gesture of body prescribed or obserued in Circumcision and Baptisme as in the Passeouer and Supper Pro. Or obserued Had you not added these wordes I should haue thought that by your reading you had found how thereis a forme of gesture prescribed vnto Christians at their taking the holy Communion And though I shreudly coniecture you are of that minde yet being not willing to take you at the worst let vs know the reason why a gesture was obserued though not prescribed at the holy Supper which was neither prescribed nor obserued at Baptisme and Circumcision Schis Because there needeth no naturall regard to be had of any certaine gesture in the two former Sacraments so the fore-skin were cut off and water be vsed but in the other two a gesture answerable to the action is requisite Pro. It is requisit and necessary that we take and eate bread and wine at the supper of the Lord as it was requisite that the fore-skin should be cut off at Circumcision and water vsed and none other liquor at Baptisme but that a certaine gesture was either obserued or requisit at the Communion this reason sheweth not Schis God prescribed to his people when they were to flie out of Egypt the gesture of loynes girded and staues in their hands because the eating then of the Passeouer was in hast But the gesture being but for that time as may appeare by the omission thereof when the obseruation of the Passeouer was established our Master Christ who came not to breake but fulfill the Law and knew what was fittest to be done did eate the Passeouer Sitting a gesture more answerable to eating in peace than the former vsed in Egypt Pro. Because God prescribed to the Iewes a forme of taking and eating the Passeouer hath hee therefore prescribed a forme to Christians of taking and receiuing the Lords Supper The one you manifest the other I would see prooued But had our God set downe as he hath not the manner how Christians should receaue the Supper as hee ordained how the Passeouer should bee taken and eaten of the Iewes yet because you heere confesse that this forme of eating the Passeouer in processe of time was altered the Iewes now eating the same Sacrament for substance but after a new manner sitting in Christs time for so you say standing afore and yet without sinne why may not wee Christians vpon as good reasons retaining the substance change the manner after which the holy Supper was ministred and receiued in the daies of Christ Before Christ his time there were additions vnto you heard afore in Christ his time there were alterations of the manner of taking the Passe-ouer your selfe do say yet all well liked and allowed of the Lord. Had the Iewes more libertie to adde formes euen of