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A87009	An ansvver to the animadversions on the dissertations touching Ignatius's epistles, and the episcopacie in them asserted. By H. Hammond, D.D.	Hammond, Henry, 1605-1660.; Owen, John, 1616-1683.	1654 (1654)	Wing H514; Thomason E814_13; ESTC R202518	185,935	227

Contraremonstrant is but the old method of speaking all that is ill of those who differ from our opinions in any thing as the Dutch man in his rage calls his horse an Arminian because he doth not goe as hee would have him And this is all that can soberly be concluded from such suggestions that they are displeased and passionate that thus speak 14. As for the Annotations on Cassander c. and the consequent vindications of himself against Rivet those have with some colour been deemed more favourable toward Popery but yet I suppose will be capable of benigne interpretations if they be read with these few cautions or remembrances 15. 1. That they were designed to shew a way to peace whensoever mens minds on both sides should be piously affected to it Secondly that he did not hope for this temper in this age the humour on both sides being so turgent and extreamly cont●…ary to it and the controversie debated on both sides by those qui aterna cupiunt esse dissidia saith he who desire to eternize and not compose contentions and therefore makes his appeal to posterity when this paroxisme shall be over Judicet ●qua posteritas ad quam maxime provoco 16. Thirdly That for the chief usurpations of the Pa●acie he leaves it to Christian Princes to joyn together to vindicate their own rights and reduce the Pope ad Canones to that temper which the antient Canons allow and require of him a●d if that will not be done to reform every one within their own dominions 17. Fourthly That what he saith in favour of some Popish doctrines above what some other learned Protestants have said is not so much by way of assertion or justification of them as to shew what reasons they may justly be thought to proceed upon and so not to be so irrational or impious as they are ordinarily accounted and this onely in order to the peace of the Christian world that we may have as much charitie to others and not as high animosities live with all men as sweetly and amicably and peaceably and not as bitterly as is possible accounting the Wars and Seditions and Divisions and Rebellions that are raised and managed upon the account of Religion far greater and more scandalous unchristian evils than are the errors of some Romish doctrines especially as they are maintain'd by the more sober and moderate men among them Cassander Picherel c. 18. Fifthly What he saith in his Discussio of a conjunction of Protestants with those that adhere to the Bishop of Rome is no farther to be extended than his words extend it 1. That there is not any other visible way to the end there mention'd by him of acquiring or preserving universal unity 2. That this is to be done not crudely by returning to them as they are submitting our necks to our former y●ke but by taking away at once the division and the causes of it on which side soever adding onely in the third place that the bare Primacie of the Bishop of Rome secundùm Canones such as the antient Canons allow of which hath nothing of supreme universal power or authority in it is none of those causes nor consequently necessary to be excluded in the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 citing that as the confession of that excellent person Phil. Melancthon 19. So that in effect that whole speech of his which is so solemnly vouched by Mr. Knot and lookt on so jealously by many of us is no more than this that such a Primacie of the Bishop of Rome as the antient Canons allow'd him were for so glorious an end as is the regaining the peace of Christendome very reasonably to be afforded him nay absolutely necessary to be yielded him whensoever any such Catholick union shall be attempted which as it had been the expresse opinion of Melancthon one of the first and wisest Reformers so it is far from any design of establishing the usurpations of the Papacie or any of their false doctrines attending them but onely designed as an expedient for the restoring the peace of the whole Christian world which every disciple of Christ is so passionately required to contend and pray for 20. So that in a word setting aside the prudential consideration and question as whether it were not a hopelesse designe that Grotius ingaged himself in expressing desires of an universal reconciliation when there was so little hope on either side that the extream parties would remit so much as to meet in the middle point to which also the expressing of his no hopes of it at this time and the making his appeal to more impartial posterity is a satis●…orie answer all that this very learned man was guilty of in this matter was but this his passionate desire of the unitie of the Church in the bands of peace and truth and a full dislike of all uncharitable distempers and impio●s doctrines whether those which he deemed destructive to the practice of all Christian virtue or which had a particularity of ill in●luence toward the undermining of Government and publick peace wheresoever he met with them 21. All which notwithstanding the temper of that learned man was known to be such as rendred him in a special manner a lover and admirer of the frame and moderation observed in our Church of England as it stood shaken but not cast down in his life time desiring earnestly to live himselfe in the Communion of it and to see it copied out by the rest of the world 22. And so much for this large digression which if it be no necessary return to the Prefacer may yet tend to the satisfaction of some others and to the vindicating the memory of that Learned man Sect. 3. Of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in Clemens How many Orders there were in Corinth at the writing this Epistle 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Metropolitical Churches at the first Philippi a Metropolis at the first as Canterbury at Augustines first planting the Faith The Institution of Presbyters when by what authority St. Jerome's opinion The use of the word Presbyters in Scripture The Bishops task Num. 1. THE Prefacer now proceeds to take notice of a second answer of mine to the objection from the plurality of the Elders in Clement and this yields him also matter for many questions and great appearance of triumph It is managed in these words 2. But the Doctor hath yet another answer to this multiplication of Elders and he mention of them with Deacons with the eminent identity that is between them and Bishops through the whole Epistle the same persons being unquestionably intended in respect of the same office by both these appelations Now this second answer is founded up on the supposition of the former a goodly foundation namely that the Epistle under consideration was written and sent not to the Church of Corinth onely but to all the Churches of Achaia of which Corinth was the Metropolitane Now this second answer is that the

principelium urbium 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ad quos provinciae integrae in i● multarum inferiorum ●…bium Ecclesiae earumque Ep●scopi tanquam ad Archi●p●scopum aut Metropolitanum pertinebant The Doctor in this Chapter commences per saltum and taking it for granted that he hath proved Di●cesan Bishops sufficiently before though he hath scarce spoken any one word to that purpose in his whole book for to prove one superintending in a Church by the name of a Bishop others acting in some kinde of subordination to him by the name of Elders and Presbyters upon the account of what hath been offered concerning the state of the Churches in those dayes will no way reach to the maintenance of this presumption he sacrifices his paines to the Metropoliticall Archi●piscopall dignity which as we must suppose is so clearly founded in Scripture and Antiquity that they are as blind as Bars and Moles who cannot see the ground and foundation of it But first be it taken for granted that the Angels of the seven Churches are taken for the Governors of those Churches then that each Angell be an Individuall Bishop of the Church to which he did belong 2 be it also g●anted that they were Bishops of the most eminent Church or Churches in that province or Roman politicall distribution of those Countreys in the management of the government of them I say Bishops of such Churches not u●bium 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as the Doctor termes them what a●…ce is ma●e by all this to the Assertation of a Metropoliticall Archiep●…pacy I cannot as yet ●…is●…v●r That they were ordinary officers of Christs institution rel●…ing in their office and ordinary discharge of it not one●y to the particular Churches wherein they were placed but to many Churches also no lesse committed to their charge than these wherein they did reside the Officers Rulers Go ●…ors of which Churches depended on them not onely as to their advice and counsell but as to their power and jurisdiction holding their place and employment from them is some part of that which in this undertaking is incumbent on our Doctor to make good if he will not be supposed to prevaricate in the cause in hand 3. Being here called out anew to the maintaining of what I had said in the Dissert concerning Metropoliticall Churches and Bishops and having so lately been ingaged in the same taske by the exceptions of the London-Ministers and many objections which here in the processe of this discourse are lightly proposed being by them formerly made and accordingly answer accommodated to them and yet farther the maine thing which is here done being to set downe many Latine passages out of the Dissert and to deem them confuted by the bare recitall of them upon these grounds I doe not foresee that there will be any necessit● of making any large returnes to this last but not concisest part of his digress●on What had been returned to the London-Ministers the Reader will finde in that Vindication Cap. 1. Sect. 16 of which number by the fault of the ●…rinter ●e will meet with two Section and so on for the three subsequent Sections and to the Dissertation● themselves and that vi●…ication of them I shall willingly referre this matter Yet shall I not o●…t to gather up whatsoever I shall here finde ●…ggested which was not there punctually spoken to and of that nature here are foure things in this Paragraph 4. First that in the 5. Ch. of Diss 4. I commence per saltum taking it for granted that I had proved Diocesan Bishops before though saith he I had scarce spoken one word to that purpose in my whole Booke To this I answer that as in the first Dissertation had answered one sort of objections against Episcopacy and in the whole second Diss asserted it out of Ignatius and Saint Hierome himselfe so in the third I had deduced it from Christ and the Apostles and I suppose laid those grounds and by all antiquity confirmed and by answer of Blondel's objections vindicated them so that they were competently fitted to beare that structure of Episcopacie which I had laid upon them and then having in the fourth Diss added to this the visible practice of this in the hands of single Governors whether the Apostles in their severa●l 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or their successors the first Bishops called secundarie Apostles mentioned in the Scripture and yet more particularly in the Angels of the seven Churches which being acknowledged to be the Governors of those Churches were proved to be single Governors of them which was the onely thing in question betwixt Blondel and me I had some reason to hope that I might be allowed to have spoken some one word to that purpose in that Booke before I came to prove those Angels to have been Metropolitans which he knowes was not attempted t●ll all this of Episcopacie had been premised by me 5. The reason which he add●s in a parenthesis why he affirmes thus expresly that I had scarce spoken one word to prove a Diocesan Bishop in that Booke is the second thing I am to reply to For saith he to prove one superintending in a Church by the name of Bishop others acting in some kinde of subordination to him under the name of Elders and Presbyters will no way reach to the maintenance of this presum●tion 6. To which I answer that the question lying as there it did betwixt Blondel and me there can be no doubt but if I have evinced the power in every Church to have been in the hands of a single Bishop and either no college of Presbyters in that Church or else those Presbyters subordinate to the Bishop meaning by subordinate subject to his power and authority over them I have also evinced the cause against Blondel And this I may have leave to hope is there done till the contrary be made appeare and here being no offer of that but onely a mention of the account of what hath been offered by the Prefacer concerning the state of the Churches in those dayes 1. that account hath already been shewn to have no force in it 2. if it had it belongs not to the controversie as it lay betwixt me and Blondel but is as contrary to Blondel● pretensions as to mine and so still I cannot see how I fell under his Animadversion in this matter or how I commenced per saltum in doing what there I did as regularly as I could imagine 7. The third thing is that I call the Bishops of the most eminent Churches urbium 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 whom he will have called Bishops onely But of this there can be no Controversie the fitnesse and propriety of words being to be judged from the use of them and the case being cleare that a Metropolitan especially a Primate was called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the antient Councels and Church-writings and from them and not from Scripture which useth no higher style for them than of

their anger do ye return meekness to their speaking big be ye humble to their fiercenesse be ye tame not desiring or attempting to immitate them Epist ad Ephes T was the lest that I thought my self obliged to do in obedience to our Saviours precept Mat. 5. 44. of blessing and praying for those that curse and despightfully use us from whence I must conclude that contum●lies are our adminitions of duty even that of taking those who powre them upon me into my special intercessions 28. Secondly That my terming Salmasius formerly a Grammarian with the addition of Learned was in the sincerity of my heart meant as a title not of diminution but of honour to him he was a very learned man in severall parts of good literature especially skill'd in Greek and Latine words and phrases and customes and his Plinianae exercitationes had long since given me that notion of him as equal thus far to any of his age and fit to be named with Scaliger and Casanbon of the preceding And knowing I that Grammaticus was antiently a title of ●…our among learned men witnesse Suetonius his Book de Illustribus Grammaticis and 2. that of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 there are three parts 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the two later of which being peculiarly his ex●…ies were fully comprehended in the general title of Grammarian and lastly that being neither Divine nor Physitian nor Lawyer by profession I could not fitly make either of those his title I thought it most agreeable to all these reasons to stile him learned Grammarian especially having so little reason as I then had to commend his knowledge in Theologie This it seems was so represented to him from England that having no other reason that I am conscious of to quarrel with my behaviour toward him he was content to reproach me upon that stile And all that I shall say to it is that I had rather be in the so●lest manner reproacht without cause then to be commended for ill doing or to be justly censured by any 29. Thirdly when I said of him and Blondel quibus illecebris adducti nescio I doe not think my self to have wronged them or used them contumeliously Not wronged them because I verily believe there were motives properly styled illecebrae I mean not bribes from England which brought them to doe what they did And as I did not think fit then to expresse those motives being 1 matters of fact of which at this distance I could not have perfect knowledge or evidence and so could truly say quibus nescio and 2 being personal matters which I love not to publish farther than the matter it self reveales and declares them so I shall not choose now out of season and lesse pertinently to inlarge on that matter I shall onely adde that Salmasius lived and Blondel saw many moneths some years after the publishing of the Dissertations and neither of them thought fit to fall into such passion so causelesly nor that I ever heard sent the Author of these Animadversions their Letters of Attorney to doe it for them so that I am to acknowledge what he hath done in this to be an act of his own inclinations but have no manner of like return to make him for it 30. How justly the many which he mentions have supposed that he was illecebris adductus and from what evidence they name the bait or with what truth it is suggested that hee had ever set up and establisht that faith which his Defensio Regia endeavoured to destroy are things so far removed from the subject before us the authority of Ignatius's Epistles and so unlikely to be concluded by our disputes that I thinke we may by consent let them alone Otherwise the then present lownes and improsperity of the cause which he defended would offer it self for a very competent argument to infer the love of truth more than expectation of any temporal advantage to have perswaded the writing of it 31. The second incidental branch concerning Bishop Montague and Geneva hath been as incidentally but more largely discharged already 32. The third concerning my interpretation of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for the ordination of a young man might surely have been spared when it is by him confest that rather than I could think fit to adhere to it I chose to prefer Vedelius's Edition which reads 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the appearing youth of their Bishop before this reading of the Laurentian in that place and that done by me in the first place to remove all force of Salmasius's argument there present before me all that followed being ex abundati more then needed and not proposed as the truth of the matter but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to supersed● all possible reply in it 33 But my Monitor runs too hastily into ill language which yet he dislikes so much in Bishop Montague grosse figments is no very nice expression else he might have seen enough produced by me to have prevented or allaied the storm of his displeasure 34. Salmasius to take advantage from those Epistles both against Episcopacie and the Epistles themselves finds in the Laurentian Copy 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 spoken of Damas's Episcopacy hence he infers that Episcopacy was there stiled a new Order and that the Epistles were written in a later age then that of Ignatius and so that Episcopacy was of that later institution To this purpose saith he the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 cannot belong to his age and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifies new and brings 2 Tim. 2. 22. where 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which we truly render youthfull lusts signifie saith he novae aut novarum rerum cupiditates new desires or desires of new things To this whole way of arguing I confesse I could not afford the least degree of consent and still think that that learned Grammarian did never more passionately 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 than in this heap of inconcludencies To these therefore I answer'd by degrees proportion'd to the severall steps of his procedure 1 That the Laurentian seemed not the right reading but the Vedelian not 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 however rendred but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 his appearing youth This the whole course of the Epistle exacted Damas then Bishop of the Magnesians being a young man and Ignatius desiring his youth might not bring contempt upon him and therefore advising expresly not to d●spise the age of their Bishop and this acknowledged by Salmasius himself to be the purport of the Epistle 35. Secondly That if the utmost that could be desired were granted both that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 were the right reading and that it were justly rendred a new order yet what was instituted by the Apostles might passe for new in Ignatius's dayes who dyed very few years after St. John and both of them in the reign of Trajan or that however what was in Ignatius's dayes and to that Rivet referr'd it novellus ordo sive 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉