houre before masse and halfe an houre euen at masse lokyng for your coÌ„myng Phil. My lorde it is not vnknowen vnto you that I am a prisoner and that the dores be shut vpon me and I can not come wheÌ„ I lyst But as sone as the dores of my prison were open I came immediatly London We sent for thee to thintent thou shouldest haue come to masse Howe saye you would you haue come to masse or no yf the dores had soner ben opened Phil. My lorde that is an other maner of question London Lo maister chaunceler I tolde you we should haue a froward felowe of him he wil answere directly to nothyng I haue had him before both the spiritual lordes and the temporal and thus he fareth stil yet he rekeneth him selfe better learned then al the realme Yea before the temporal lordes the other daye he was so folyshe to chaleÌ„ge the best He would make himself learned You sayd before he was learened and is a very ignoraunt foole in dede Phil. I reken I answered your lordship before the lordes playne ynough London Why answerest thou not directly whether thou wouldest haue gone to masse with vs or no yf thou haddest come in tyme Phil. Myne answere shal be thus that yf your lordship can proue your masse wherunto you would haue me to come to be the true seruice of God wherunto a Christian ought to come I wil afterwarde come with a good wil. London Loke I praye you the Kyng the Quene and al the nobilitie of the realme do come to masse yet he wyll not By my fayth thou arte to wel handled thou shalt be worse handled herafter I warrant thee Phil. Yf to lye in a blind colehouse maye be couÌ„ted good handlyng both without fyre candle then it maye be sayd I am wel handled Your lordship hath power to entreate my body as you lift London Thou arte a foole and a verye ignoraunt foole Maister chaunceler in good fayth I haue handled hym his felowes with as muche gentlenes as they can desyre I let their frends come vnto them to releue them And wote you what the other day they had gotteÌ„ them selues vp into the toppe of the leades with a meany of prentiles gasyng abroade as though they had ben at lybertie but I shall cut of your resort And as for the prentises they were as good not to come to you yf I take them Phil. My lorde we haue no suche resort to vs as your lordship ymagyneth and ther coÌ„meth very fewe vnto vs. And of prentises I knowe not one neither haue we any leades to walke on ouer our colehouse that I wote of wherfore your lordship hath mistaken your marke London Nay now you thinke bycause my lorde Chaunceler is gone that we wil burne no moo yes I warraÌ„t thee I wil dispatche you shortly onles you do recant Phil. My lorde I had not thought that I should haue bene alyue nowe neither so rawe as I am but well rosted vnto ashes Chaunce Cast not your selfe wilfully a waye maister Philpot. Be content to be ruled by my lord here and by other learned men of this realme and you maye do wel ynough phil My conscience beareth me record that I seke to please God and that the loue and feare of God causeth me to do as I do that I were of all other creatures most myserable yf for myne owne will only I dyd lose al the coÌ„modities I myght haue in this lyfe and afterward to be cast to dampnatioÌ„ But I am sure it is not my will wheron I stande but Goddes wil which wil not suffer me to be cast awaye I am sure Chaun You are not so sure but you maye be deceyued London Wel synce thou wilt not be coÌ„formable by no faire meanes I wil ê“cede against thee Ex officio And therfore herkeÌ„ here to suche articles as I haue here written And I charge the to make answere to them And with that he red a lybel which he had in his haÌ„de of diuers articles And when he had done he had me answere phil Your lybel my lorde contayneth in suÌ„me two special pointes The fyrst preteÌ„deth that I should be of your diocese and therfore your lordship vpon diuers suspectes infamies of heresie goyng vpon me is moued to procede against me by your ordinarie office The which first is not true for that I am not of your lordships dioces as the lybel doth pretende And the seconde is that I beyng baptised in the catholike church and in the catholike fayth am gone froÌ„ them the which is not so For I am of that catholike faith and churche as I was baptised vnto London What art thou not of my dioces where are ye nowe I praye you Phil. My lorde I can not denye but I am in your colehouse which is in your dioces yet am I not of your dioces London You were sent hither vnto me by the Quenes maiesties coÌ„missioners and thou art nowe in my dioces wherfore I wil ê“cede against thee as thine ordinarie phil I was brought hither through violence and therfore my present beyng nowe in your dioces is not ynough tabrydge me of myne owne ordinarie iurisdiction neither maketh it me vnwillingly subiect to your iurisdictioÌ„ sence it commeth by force and by suche men as had no iust auctoritie so to do no more then a sanctuarie man beyng by force brought forth of his place of priuilege dothe therby lose his priuilege but alwayes may chalenge the same where so euer he be brought Chadsey Hath not the Quenes maiestie auctoritie by her commissioners to remoue your body whither she wil And ought you not to obeye herin phil I graunt that the Quenes maiestie of her iuste power maye transpose my body whither it shal please her grace to coÌ„maunde the same But yet by your lawes Spiritualia non sunt subiecta Imperatoris potestati Spiritual causes be not subiecte to the temporal power As for example you maister doctor yf the Quenes maiestie would appoint two temporal men to be iudge ouer you in certayne spirituall maters myght not you alledge the priuilege of a clearke and demauÌ„de competent spiritual iudges in your causes London Doth not a man I praye you Sortiri forum ratione delicti Phil. My lorde your rule is true in temporal maters But in spiritual causes it is not so which be otherwyse priuileged London What sayest thou then to the seconde article and to the other Phil. My lorde I sayd that I am not bounde to answere the seconde neither the reste onlesse the first be proued London Well suppose the fyrst may be proued as it wil be what wyll you say then to the seconde that you are not of the same catholike fayth neither of the same churche nowe as you were baptised in Phil. I am of the same catholike faythe and of the same catholike churche which is of Christ the piller and stablishemeÌ„t of truthe London Naye that you are not phil
booke and read the place The which after I had read I sayd it made nothing against me but against the Arriās and other heretiks against whom Ireneus wrote prouīg that they weare not to be credityd because they did teache and folowe after straunge doctrine in Europa that the chefe churche of the same was founded by Peter and Paule and had to his tyme continued by faythfull succession of the faythfull Bishops in preachyng the true Gospel as they had receyued it of the Apostles and nothyng lyfe to the late sprong heretikes c. Wherby he cōcludeth against thē that they were not to be heard neyther to be credited The which thing yf you my lordes be able to proue nowe of the churche of Rome then had you as good autoritie against me in my cause nowe as Ireneus had against those heretikes But the church of Rome hath swarued frō that truthe and simplicitie of the Gospell which it maintained in Ireneus tyme and was vncorrupted frō that which it is nowe Wherfore your lordships can not iustly applie the autoritie of Ireneus to the churche of Rome nowe which is so manifestlye corrupted from the primatiue Churche London So wil you say stil it maketh nothing for the purpose what so euer autoritie we bring and wil neuer be satisfyed Phil. My lorde when I do by iust reason proue that the autorities which be brought against me do not make to the purpose as I haue already proued I trust you wil receyue myne answere worcest It is to be proued most manifestly by al auncient wryters that the sea of Rome hath alwayes folowed the truthe and neuer was deceyued vntil of late certayne heretikes had defaced the same Phil. Let that be proued I haue done worcest Nay you are of suche arrogācie singularitie vayne glorie that you wil not se it be it neuer so wel proued Phil. Ha my lordes is it nowe tyme thynke you for me to folowe singularitie or vaynglorie synce it is nowe vpō daunger of my lyfe and death not onlye presently but also before God to come and I knowe yf I dye not in the true faythe I shall dye euerlastingly again I knowe yf I do not as you would haue me you will kyll me and many thousandes moo Yet had I leuer perishe at your handes than to perishe eternally And at this tyme I haue lost al my cōmodities of this worlde and nowe lye in a colhouse where a man would not laye a dogge with the which I am wel contented Cole Where are you hable to proue that the churche of Rome hath erred at any tyme and by what historie certaine it is by Eusebius that the churche was stablyshed at Rome by Peter and Paule and that Peter was Bisshop .xxv. yeres at Rome Phil. I knowe wel that Eusebius so wryteth but yf we compare that which S. Paule writeth to the Galathiās the first it wil manifestly appere the cōtrarie that he was not halfe so long there He lyued not past .xxxv. yeares after he was called to be an Apostle And Paul maketh mencion of his abidyng after Christes death more then .xviij. yeres Colle What did Peter wryte vnto the Galathians Phil. No I saye Paule maketh mencion of Peter wrytyng to the Galathians of his abiding And further I am hable to proue bothe by Eusebius and other historiographers that the church of Rome hath manifestly erred and at this present doth erre because she agreeth not with that which they wrote The primatiue churche dyd vse according to the Gospel And ther nedeth none other profe but cōpare the one with the other London Hearke my lordes wise parabable I maye compare this man to a certayne man I reade of which fell into a disperation and went into a wood to hang him selfe And when he came there he went vewyng of euery tree and could fynde none on the which he myght vouchesaffe to hang himselfe But I wil not applie it as I myght I praye you maister doctor go forth with him Nother you nor they are hable in this case Colle My lorde there be on euery syde on me that be better hable to answer him And I loue not to falle in disputacion for that nowe a dayes a man shall but sustayne shame and obloquy therby of the people I had leuer shewe my mynde in wrytyng Phil. And I had leuer that you should so do then otherwyse For thē a mā may better iudge of your wordes then by argument And I beseche you so doo But yf I were a ryche man I durst wager an hundreth poundes that you shal not be hable to shewe that you haue sayd to be decreed by a general coūsel in Athanasius tyme. For this I am sure of that it was concluded by a general counsel in Affrica many yeres after that none of Affrica vnder payne of excōmunication should apeale to Rome the which decre I am suer they would not haue made yf by the scriptures it had bene by an vniuersall counsell that all men should abyde and folowe the determinacion of the churche of Rome Colle But I can shewe that they reuoked that errour agayne Phil. So you saye maister doctour But I pray you shewe me where I haue hetherto heard nothing of you for my contentation but bare wordes without any autoritie London What I praye you ought we to dispute wyth you of our fayth Iustinian in the lawe hath a tytle De fide catholica to the contrarie Phil. I am certayne the ciuil lawe hath suche a constitucion but our fayth must not depende vpon the ciuil lawe For as S. Ambrose sayeth Non lex sed fides congregauit Ecclesiam Not the lawe but the gospel sayeth he hath gathered the church together worcest Maister Philpot you haue the spirite of pryde wherwith ye be ledde which wil not let you yelde to the truth Leaue it for shame Phil. Sir I am suer I haue the spirite of fayth by the which I speake at this present Neither am I ashamed to stand in my fayth Glocest What do you thynke yourselfe better learned then so many notable learned men as be here Phil. Elyas alone had the truthe whē there were foure hundreth priestes against him worcest Oh you would be coūted now for Helyas And yet I tel thee he was deceiued For he thought ther had ben none good but him selfe and yet he was deceyued for ther was .vii. hundreth besydes hym Phil. Yea but he was not deceyued in doctrine as the other .vii. hūdreth were worc By my fayth you are greatly to blame that you can not be content to be of the churche which euer hath ben of that faythful antiquitie Phil. My lorde I knowe Rome haue ben there where I sawe your lordship worc In dede I dyd flye from hence thither And I remember not that I sawe you there But I am sorye that you haue ben there for the wyckednes whych you haue sene there peraduēture causeth you to
which sent me vnto you that I should haue ben Iudged the next daye after but promise hath not ben kept with me to my farther grefe I looke for none other but death at your handes And I am as ready to yeld my lyfe in Christes cause as you be to require yt London Loo what a wilful man this is By my fayth it is but folye to reason with him neyther with any of these heretiks I am sorye that you wylbe no more tractable and that I am compelled to shew extremitie agaynst you Phil. My lorde you nede not to shewe extremitie against me onles you lyst Neyther by the lawe as I haue sayd you haue any thing to do with me For that you are not myn ordinarie Albeyt I am contrarie to al right in your prison London Why the Quenes commissioners sent you hyther vnto me vpon your examinacion had before them I knowe not wel the cause But I am sure they would not haue sent you hither to me onles you had made som talke to them otherwise then it becōmeth a christian man Phil. My lorde in dede they sent me hither with our any occasion than ministred by me Only they layd vnto me the disputacion I made in the conuocacion house requiring me to answere to the same and to recant it the which by cause I would not doo they sent me hyther to your lordship London Why did you not answers them therto Phil. For that they were temporal mē and owght not to be Iudges in spirituall causes wherof they demaunded me without shewing any auctoritie wherby I was bounde to answere thē and hervpon they cōmitted me to your prison London In dede I remember nowe you mayntayned open heresy in my diocese wherfore the commissioners sēt you vnto me that I should procede agaynst you for that you haue spoken in my diocese Phil. My lord I stande styll vpon my lawful plea in this behalfe that though it were as great heresie as you suppose it yet I owght not to troubled therfore in respect of the preuilege of the parliament house wherof the conuocacion house is a membre where all men in maters propounded maye fraunklye speake their myndes and here is presēt a gentlemen of the Quenes maiesties that was present at the disputaciō and can testifie that the questions which were there in controuersy were not set furth by me but by the prolocutor who required in the Quenes maiesties name all men to dispute theyr myndes frelye in the same that were of the house Though the parliament house The Quenes gentilman be a place of priuiledge for men of the house to speake yet maye non speake any treason agaynst the Quene nor mayntayne treasō agaynst the crowne Phil. But yf any mater which otherwyse were treasō to speake of yt were it treason for any person to speake therin specially the thing being proposed by the speaker I thinke not The Quenes gentilman You maye make the mater easy inough to you yet as I perceyue yf you will reuoke the same which you did there so stubburnly mayntayne S. asse This mā did not speake vnder reformacion as many there did but agonicos and catagoricos which is earnestly persuasiblye as euer I heard any Phil. My lordes sence you will not ceasse to trouble me for that I haue lawfully done neither will admitt my Iust defence for that was spoken in the parliament house by me contrarie to the lawes and custome of the realme I appeale to the hole parliament house to be iudged by the same whether I owght thus to be molested for that I haue there spoken Rochest But haue you not spoken and mayntayned the same sence the tyme or no Phil. Yf any man can charge me iustlie therw t here I stāde to make answere Rochest How saye you to it nowe will you stand to that you haue spoken in the conuocacion house and do you thinke you sayd then wel or no phi My lord you are not myn ordinary to procede ex officio against me and therfore I am not bounde to tel you my conscience of your demaundes S. Asse What saye you nowe is not there in the blessed sacrament of the altar And with that they put of al theyr cappes for reuerence of that ydol the presence of our saueour Christ reallye and substācyally after de wordes of consecraciō Phil. I do beleue in the sacrament of Christes body duly ministred to be such maner of presēce as the word teacheth me to beleue S. Asse I praie you how is that Phil. As for that I will declare an other tyme whā I shal be laufully called to dispute my minde of this matter but I am not yet dryuen to that poynt And the scripture sayth al thinges owght to be done after an order An other b. This is a froward and a vayne glorious man London It is not lawful for a mā by the ciuile lawe to dispute his faith openly as it appeareth in the title de sūma trinitate fiide catholica phil My lord I haue answered you to this question before London Why I neuer asked the of this before nowe Phil. Yes that you did at my last examinacion by that token I answered your lordship by S. Ambrose that the churche is congregated by the word Note wel and not by mās lawe wherfore I adde nowe further of this sayng quod qui fidem repudiat legem obijcit iniustus est quia Iustus ex fide viuit That he which refuseth the worde and obiecteth the lawe is an vniust man because the Iust shal lyue by fayth And more ouer my lord the title which your lordship alledgeth out of the lawe maketh it not vnlawfull to dispute of all the articles of the fayth but of the Trinitie London Thou lyest it is not soo And I will shewe you by the booke how ignoraunt he is And with that he went with all hast to his studie and fett his book and openly red the text and the title of the lawe and charged me with suche wordes as semed to make for his purpose sayeng how sayst thou to this Phil. My lord I saye as I did before that the lawe meaneth of the catholike fayth determined in the coūcel of Calcedonia where the articles of the Crede were only concluded vpon London Thou arte the veriest beast Naye thou art a beast that euer I heard I must nedes speake it thou compellest me therunto phil Your lordship maye speake your pleasure of me But what is this to the purpose which your lordship is so earnest in You know that our fayth is not groūded vpō the ciuil lawe Therfore it is not materiall to me what soeuer the lawe sayth London By what lawe wylt thou be iudged wylt thou be Iudged by the common lawe Phil. No my lorde our fayth depēdeth not vpon the lawes of man S. Asse He wil be Iudged by no lawe but as he list him selfe worcest The common lawes are but
I am contēt For I am vnder your feete to be troden on as you list God forgyue it you yet am I no heretike neyther you nor any other shal be able to proue that I holde any iote agaynst the worde of God otherwyse then a christian man ought Storie The worde of God forsoth the worde of God Yt is but a follye to reason with these heretiks for they ar incurable and desperat But as I maye reasō with the not that I haue any hope to wynne thee whom will thou apoynt to be iudge of the worde wherto thou standest phil Verely the worde it selfe Storie Do you not see the ignorauncie of this beastly heretike he willeth the word to be Iudge of the worde cā the word speake Phil. Yf I can not proue that which I haue sayd by good auctoritie I wil be cōtent to be coūted an heretike an ygnorāt persō further what you please Storie Let vs heare what wyse auctoritie thou canst bring in phil It is the sayng of Christ in S. Iohn verbū quod locutus sum iudicabit in nouissimo dic The worde which I haue spoken sayth Christ shall Iudge in the last daye Yf the worde shal iudge in the last daye muche more it ought to Iudge our doinges nowe And I am sure I haue my Iudge on my side who shall absolue iustifie me in an other world howsoeuer now it shall please you by auctoritie vnrighteouslye to Iudge of me and others sure I am in an other worlde to Iudge you Storie What you purpose to be a stinking martyr and to syt in Iudgemēt with Christ at the last daye to Iudge the twelue trybes of Israel Phil. Yea syr I doubt not therof hauing the promise of Christ yf I die for righteousnes sake which you haue begon to persecute in me Storie I told you it is but vayne to argue with this heretike he is drowned in his heresies wtout al learning Phil. Syr I haue brought you for that I haue sayd good auctoritie out of Goddes booke to the which you answere nothing but goo about stil to gyue raylīg iudgemēt agaynst me wtout any cause Storie I wil com to you by by when the iudge in westminster halle geueth sentence doth the worde gyue sentence or the iudge tel me phil Ciuil maters be subiect to ciuil mē and they haue autoritie by the worde to be iudge of them But the word of God is not subiecte to mans iudgement but ought to iudge al the wysedome thoughtes and doynges of men And therfore your cōparison disproueth nothing that I haue sayd neither answereth any whyt therto Storie Wilt thou not alowe the interpretacion of the churche vpon the scripture Phil. Yes yf it be according to the word of the true churche and this I saye to you as I haue sayd heretofore that yf ye can proue the churche of Rome wherof ye are to be the true catholyke churche which I ought to folowe I wylbe as ready to yelde therto as long as it can be so proued as you may desire me Storie What a felowe is this he wil beleue nothing but he list him selfe Are we not in possession of the church haue not your forfathers these many hundreth yeres taken this churche for the catholyke churche wherof we are now And yf we had none other profe but this it were sufficient For prescription of tyme maketh a good tytle in the law Phil. You do wel M. doctor to alledge prescription of many yeares That al is nothing but a lye for it is al that you haue to shewe for your selues But you must vnderstande Ex diuinis nulla occurrit praescriptio that prescriptiō hath no place in maters belonging to God as I am hable to shewe by the testimonye of many doctors Storie Wel syr you are lyke to go after your fathers Latimer the Sophister Now Story ye shewe your selfe in your Colours Rydley who had nothyng to alledge for hym selfe but that he had learned his heresie of Cranmer where I came to him with a poore bacheler of art he trēbled as though he had had the palsey as these heretikes haue alwayes some token of feare wherby a man maye knowe them as you may se this mans eyes do tremble in his head But I despatched them And I tel thee that there hath ben yet neuer a one burnt but I haue spoken with him haue ben a cause of his despatche Phil. You haue the more to answere for M. doctor as you shal fele it in an other worlde how moche so euer you do now triumphe of your procedinges Storie I tel thee I wil neuer be cōfessed therof And bicause I cannot now tarye to speake with my lorde I pray you one of you tel my lorde that my cōmyng was to signifye to his lordship that he must out of hande ryd this heretike awaye And goyng away he sayd vnto me I certifye the that thou maist thanke none other man for it but me Phil. I thanke you therfore with al myne hart and God forgeue it you Storie What doest thou thanke me yf I had thee in my study half an houre I thinke I should make you syng an other song Phil. No maister doctor I stande vp on to sure a grounde to be ouerthrowen by you nowe And thus they departed al awaye from me one after an other vntyl I was left al alone And afterwards with my keper goyng to my colehouse as I went I met with my lorde of London who spake vnto me gently as he hath hitherto in wordes sayeng London Philpot yf ther be any pleasure I maye shewe you in my house I pray you require it you shal haue it phil My lorde the pleasure that I will require of your lordship is to hasten my iudgemēt which is cōmitted vnto you and so dispatsche me forth of this miserable worlde vnto my eternal rest And for all his fayre speache I can not attayne hytherto this forthnight space neyther fyer nor candle neyther yet good lodgyng But it is good for a man to be brought lowe in this world and to be counted amongest the vylest that he may in tyme of rewarde receyue exaltacion and glorie Therfore praysed be God that hath humbled me and gyuen me grace with gladnes to be content therwith all Let all that loue the truth saye Amen The fyfth tragedye The sixt examinacion of Iohn Phylpot had before the right honorable lordes lord Chamberleyne to the kinges maiestie the Vicount Hereforde commonly called lord Ferrers my lord Ryche my lord saynt Iohns the lord wyndsore the lord Shandoys Sir Iohn of brydges Lieutenaunt of the tower and two other mo whose names I know not with the bishop of London D. Chedsey the syxt daye of Nouēbre Anno Dn̄i 1555. phil BEfore that I was called before the lordes and whyles they were in sitting downe the bishop of London came asyde to me and whystred in myne care willīg me to vse my selfe