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bellarmine_n and_o the_o other_o divine_n of_o rome_n for_o of_o fa._n parson_n misinform_v his_o holiness_n i_o make_v no_o mention_n at_o all_o in_o that_o answer_n but_o only_o of_o his_o urge_v his_o holiness_n to_o send_v hither_o his_o breve_n against_o the_o oath_n my_o word_n be_v these_o 52._o these_o num._n 52._o moreover_o that_o his_o holiness_n be_v persuade_v that_o in_o this_o oath_n be_v deny_v his_o spiritual_a authority_n to_o inflict_v censure_n be_v plain_o gather_v by_o a_o letter_n of_o fa._n parson_n who_o do_v great_o urge_v and_o solicit_v his_o holiness_n to_o send_v hither_o his_o breve_n as_o both_o some_o jesuite_n here_o with_o we_o do_v free_o confess_v and_o also_o no_o man_n who_o know_v how_o our_o english_a affair_n be_v carry_v at_o rome_n in_o his_o day_n can_v make_v any_o doubt_n thereof_o this_o therefore_o be_v the_o true_a copy_n of_o that_o letter_n etc._n etc._n about_o some_o four_o of_o five_o month_n ago_o it_o be_v consult_v by_o seven_o or_o eight_o of_o the_o learn_a divine_n that_o can_v be_v choose_v who_o give_v their_o judgement_n of_o it_o their_o reason_n be_v many_o but_o all_o reduce_v to_o this_o that_o the_o pope_n authority_n in_o chastise_v prince_n upon_o a_o just_a cause_n be_v de_fw-fr fide_fw-la and_o consequent_o can_v be_v deny_v when_o it_o be_v call_v into_o controversy_n without_o deny_v of_o our_o faith_n nor_o that_o the_o pope_n or_o any_o other_o authority_n can_v dispense_v in_o this_o etc._n etc._n 50_o now_o mr._n fitzherbert_n do_v fraudulent_o conceal_v this_o part_n of_o the_o letter_n whereby_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o the_o divine_n of_o rome_n do_v suppose_v that_o the_o pope_n authority_n to_o punish_v prince_n and_o consequent_o to_o excommunicate_v and_o to_o inflict_v spiritual_a censure_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n for_o otherwise_o as_o i_o show_v in_o that_o place_n 57_o place_n num._n 57_o they_o have_v argue_v very_o vicious_o against_o the_o know_a rule_n of_o logic_n 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think_v best_a for_o his_o purpose_n to_o conceal_v and_o to_o skip_v over_o to_o the_o other_o part_n of_o the_o letter_n think_v from_o thence_o to_o take_v some_o colourable_a argument_n to_o prove_v both_o that_o fa._n parson_n do_v not_o persuade_v and_o draw_v his_o holiness_n to_o the_o publication_n of_o his_o breve_fw-la &_o also_o that_o the_o inference_n i_o make_v from_o thence_o to_o wit_n that_o his_o holiness_n be_v persuade_v that_o his_o authority_n to_o inflict_v censure_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n be_v sorsooth_o improbable_a and_o impertinent_a wherein_o as_o you_o shall_v see_v he_o continue_v still_o his_o ancient_a fraud_n and_o falsity_n 51_o for_o first_o i_o do_v not_o intend_v to_o prove_v by_o fa._n parson_n letter_n or_o by_o his_o conference_n with_o his_o holiness_n that_o he_o urge_v and_o persuade_v his_o holiness_n to_o forbid_v the_o take_n of_o the_o oath_n two_o other_o reason_n i_o bring_v here_o to_o confirm_v the_o same_o which_o mr._n 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which_o with_o very_o great_a expedition_n as_o i_o signify_v in_o my_o epistle_n dedicatory_a to_o his_o holiness_n be_v according_o perform_v all_o which_o be_v to_o any_o man_n of_o judgement_n very_o probable_a conjecture_n if_o not_o moral_a certainty_n that_o fa._n parson_n do_v urge_v and_o solicit_v his_o holiness_n to_o send_v hither_o his_o breve_n against_o the_o take_n of_o the_o oath_n but_o howsoever_o it_o be_v it_o be_v not_o much_o material_a to_o my_o second_o answer_n or_o reason_n which_o be_v that_o his_o holiness_n be_v misinform_v by_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o other_o divine_n of_o rome_n that_o his_o power_n to_o excommunicate_v and_o to_o inflict_v censure_n and_o consequent_o his_o spiritual_a supremacy_n be_v plain_o deny_v in_o the_o oath_n whether_o fa._n parson_n do_v urge_v and_o incite_v his_o holiness_n to_o forbid_v the_o oath_n or_o no._n 52_o beside_o for_o the_o confirmation_n of_o my_o second_o answer_n those_o word_n of_o the_o breve_fw-la for_o that_o it_o contain_v many_o thing_n which_o be_v manifest_o repugnant_a to_o faith_n and_o salvation_n and_o also_o his_o holiness_n answer_v to_o fa._n parson_n that_o he_o can_v not_o hold_v they_o for_o catholic_n who_o seem_v to_o incline_v to_o the_o take_n of_o the_o oath_n be_v very_o considerable_a for_o that_o before_o these_o our_o miserable_a time_n wherein_o so_o many_o new_a fangle_a doctor_n be_v ready_a to_o coin_v new_a article_n of_o faith_n and_o to_o tax_v with_o such_o facility_n their_o catholic_a brethren_n of_o error_n and_o heresy_n that_o will_v not_o forth_o with_o approve_v their_o novelty_n it_o be_v never_o in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n account_v a_o heresy_n to_o deny_v the_o pope_n authoirty_a to_o depose_v prince_n or_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n neither_o have_v any_o catholic_a author_n who_o write_v of_o heresy_n or_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n himself_o relate_v the_o error_n of_o marsilius_n of_o padua_n rank_v he_o among_o heretic_n for_o deny_v the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n and_o very_o many_o catholic_a doctor_n with_o jacobus_n almain_n who_o have_v not_o therefore_o be_v brand_v by_o any_o man_n with_o any_o note_n of_o heresy_n or_o error_n do_v resolute_o affirm_v that_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n do_v not_o extend_v by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n to_o the_o inflict_v of_o temporal_a punishment_n as_o death_n exile_n imprisonment_n privation_n of_o good_n much_o less_o of_o kingdom_n but_o only_o of_o spiritual_a censure_n and_o fa._n suarez_n himself_o dare_v not_o avouch_v 1._o suarez_n l._n 6._o c._n 1._o that_o the_o pope_n spiritual_a authority_n be_v plain_o and_o manifest_o but_o only_o covert_o deny_v in_o the_o oath_n and_o this_o also_o he_o gather_v from_o many_o far_o fetch_v consequence_n all_o which_o i_o have_v clear_o answer_v in_o my_o appendix_n against_o he_o and_o therefore_o from_o the_o aforesaid_a word_n of_o his_o holiness_n that_o he_o can_v not_o take_v those_o priest_n for_o catholic_n that_o incline_v to_o the_o take_n of_o the_o oath_n it_o may_v very_o probable_o be_v include_v that_o he_o be_v full_o persuade_v that_o not_o only_o his_o authority_n to_o depose_v prince_n but_o also_o his_o power_n to_o excommmicate_v and_o to_o bind_v and_o loose_v in_o general_a as_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o the_o other_o divine_n of_o rome_n then_o conceive_v be_v plain_o deny_v in_o the_o oath_n 53_o second_o whereas_o mr._n fitzherbert_n affirm_v that_o he_o can_v testify_v upon_o his_o own_o knowledge_n that_o fa._n parson_n be_v so_o far_o from_o persuade_v or_o draw_v his_o holiness_n to_o the_o resolution_n which_o he_o take_v concern_v the_o publication_n of_o his_o breve_fw-la that_o he_o seek_v to_o induce_v he_o to_o some_o other_o course_n propound_v mean_n of_o mitigation_n etc._n etc._n i_o will_v not_o now_o contend_v about_o the_o
affair_n his_o holiness_n mean_v to_o include_v not_o only_o the_o authority_n to_o use_v censure_n which_o only_o be_v mention_v in_o the_o word_n next_o go_v before_o and_o to_o which_o only_o any_o man_n according_a to_o the_o property_n of_o the_o word_n will_v restrain_v they_o but_o also_o to_o despose_v they_o which_o be_v not_o much_o material_a to_o the_o present_a purpose_n for_o be_v it_o so_o that_o his_o holiness_n speak_v of_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a in_o such_o affair_n include_v his_o power_n as_o well_o to_o depose_v as_o to_o excommunicate_a prince_n it_o be_v nothing_o to_o the_o matter_n for_o that_o which_o i_o intend_v be_v that_o his_o holiness_n be_v by_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o the_o other_o divine_n who_o consult_v of_o the_o oath_n not_o only_o misinform_v that_o his_o power_n to_o excommunicate_v and_o to_o inflict_v censure_n be_v plain_o deny_v in_o the_o oath_n but_o also_o that_o his_o power_n to_o depose_v prince_n be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n and_o necessary_o include_v in_o his_o spiritual_a authority_n which_o be_v very_o untrue_a as_o in_o this_o treatise_n i_o have_v sufficient_o declare_v and_o prove_v 67_o but_o that_o also_o which_o m._n fitzherbert_n add_v for_o a_o confirmation_n of_o his_o say_n to_o wit_n that_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n and_o to_o discharge_v subject_n from_o their_o allegiance_n be_v never_o effect_v or_o perform_v but_o by_o virtue_n of_o some_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n be_v both_o false_a and_o also_o repugnant_a to_o the_o ground_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n for_o childericke_n king_n of_o france_n which_o example_n cardinal_n bellarmine_n bring_v for_o a_o proof_n that_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o depose_v prince_n be_v depose_v and_o his_o subject_n discharge_v of_o their_o allegiance_n and_o not_o by_o virtue_n of_o any_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n and_o it_o be_v one_o thing_n say_v becanus_n 108._o becanus_n incontrou_fw-fr anglic._n c._n 3._o p._n 2._o pag._n 108._o to_o excommunicate_v a_o king_n and_o another_o to_o depose_v or_o deprive_v he_o of_o his_o kingdom_n neither_o be_v the_o one_o necessary_o connex_v with_o the_o other_o many_o king_n and_o emperor_n have_v be_v excommunicate_v and_o not_o therefore_o depose_v and_o contrariwise_o many_o depose_v and_o not_o therefore_o excommunicate_v and_o yet_o my_o ignorant_a adversary_n to_o patch_v up_o this_o silly_a answer_n of_o he_o do_v now_o agreeable_a to_o his_o learning_n bold_o affirm_v that_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n and_o to_o discharge_v subject_n of_o their_o allegiance_n be_v never_o effect_v or_o perform_v but_o by_o virtue_n of_o some_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n whereas_o i_o have_v sufficient_o prove_v above_o seq_n above_o chap._n 1._o nu_fw-la 21._o &_o seq_fw-la &_o chap._n 5._o sec_fw-la 2._o 131._o &_o seq_n out_o of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o suarez_n &_o becanus_n and_o from_o the_o definition_n of_o excommunication_n that_o deposition_n be_v not_o a_o effect_n of_o excommunication_n &_o that_o therefore_o although_o they_o be_v sometime_o join_v together_o and_o that_o some_o prince_n have_v be_v both_o excommunicate_v and_o depose_v by_o the_o pope_n yet_o they_o be_v not_o depose_v by_o virtue_n of_o the_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n for_o that_o as_o his_o majesty_n do_v well_o observe_v 9_o observe_v in_o his_o premonition_n p._n 9_o excommunication_n be_v only_o a_o spiritual_a censure_n have_v not_o virtue_n to_o work_v this_o temporal_a effect_n 68_o now_o you_o shall_v see_v how_o uncharitable_o and_o also_o unlearned_o this_o ignorant_a man_n conclude_v this_o point_n whereupon_o it_o follow_v say_v he_o 14_o he_o p._n 219._o nu_fw-la 14_o that_o albeit_o his_o holiness_n have_v be_v persuade_v by_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n fa._n parson_n and_o other_o as_o doubtless_o he_o be_v although_o this_o man_n will_v seem_v to_o deny_v the_o same_o that_o the_o oath_n deny_v 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kingdom_n and_o by_o dispose_v of_o all_o their_o temporal_n and_o not_o only_o to_o command_v or_o enjoin_v but_o also_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n as_o it_o appear_v by_o the_o whole_a scope_n of_o his_o discourse_n both_o in_o his_o supplement_n and_o also_o in_o this_o treatise_n whereupon_o a_o little_a beneath_o in_o this_o chapter_n 10._o chapter_n nu._n 10._o he_o call_v that_o distinction_n which_o i_o make_v betwixt_o the_o power_n to_o command_v corporal_a thing_n and_o to_o punish_v corporal_o by_o way_n of_o coercion_n a_o frivolous_a distinction_n and_o afterward_o especial_o in_o the_o sixth_o chapter_n 17._o chapter_n nu_fw-la 14._o 15._o 16._o 17._o he_o labour_v to_o impugn_v the_o same_o and_o to_o prove_v that_o if_o the_o pope_n may_v command_v corporal_a and_o temporal_a thing_n as_o they_o serve_v the_o spiritual_a and_o be_v reduce_v thereto_o he_o may_v also_o
peaceable_o maintain_v his_o own_o right_n 16_o neither_o be_v those_o judge_n who_o the_o apostle_n command_v or_o advise_v the_o corinthian_n to_o appoint_v any_o other_o than_o arbiter_n or_o arbitratour_n in_o power_n although_o we_o shall_v grant_v that_o they_o be_v to_o be_v choose_v by_o common_a consent_n and_o not_o by_o the_o party_n only_o who_o be_v in_o suit_n which_o nevertheless_o can_v be_v convince_v by_o the_o apostle_n word_n for_o albeit_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o say_v which_o be_v the_o only_a reason_n that_o d._n schulckenius_n bring_v to_o prove_v 445._o d._n schulck_n in_o apol._n ad_fw-la nu_fw-la 269_o pag._n 445._o that_o they_o be_v to_o be_v choose_v by_o common_a consent_n that_o every_o man_n must_v choose_v to_o himself_o a_o arbiter_n for_o arbiter_n be_v not_o to_o be_v choose_v by_o the_o consent_n of_o one_o only_a party_n but_o by_o the_o consent_n of_o both_o yet_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o say_v that_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o the_o 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in_o power_n mere_a arbiter_n or_o arbitratour_n and_o have_v no_o public_a and_o lawful_a authority_n of_o themselves_o to_o give_v judgement_n to_o which_o the_o party_n be_v in_o justice_n bind_v to_o stand_v but_o they_o receive_v their_o power_n and_o authority_n to_o give_v judgement_n and_o to_o make_v a_o final_a end_n of_o controversy_n from_o the_o party_n who_o be_v at_o strife_n and_o who_o for_o the_o avoid_n of_o scandal_n which_o the_o infidel_n may_v take_v see_v their_o strife_n and_o contention_n submit_v themselves_o to_o their_o decision_n and_o arbitrement_n 18_o that_o they_o be_v arbiter_n or_o arbitratour_n s._n chrysostome_n 9_o chrysost_n in_o 1._o cor._n 6_o almain_n de_fw-fr potest_fw-la eccle._n &_o laica_fw-la q._n 1._o cap._n 10._o abulens_n q_o 96._o in_o cap._n 20._o mat._n salmeron_n tom_n 14._o disp_n 9_o jacobus_n almainus_n abulensis_n and_o salmeron_n a_o learned_a jesuite_n do_v in_o express_a word_n affirm_v and_o also_o that_o they_o have_v no_o 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and_o spiritual_a power_n may_v command_v the_o christian_n to_o do_v and_o by_o spiritual_a censure_n compel_v they_o so_o to_o do_v when_o otherwise_o they_o shall_v scandalize_v the_o christian_a faith_n and_o religion_n and_o this_o very_a answer_n do_v i_o give_v in_o my_o apology_n to_o this_o text_n of_o holy_a scripture_n which_o be_v urge_v by_o card._n bellarmine_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o depose_v and_o put_v down_o secular_a prince_n as_o the_o apostle_n have_v power_n to_o appoint_v and_o set_v up_o new_a judge_n in_o secular_a cause_n for_o i_o deny_v his_o consequence_n because_o the_o appoint_v and_o set_v up_o of_o those_o judge_n do_v nothing_o derogate_v from_o the_o subjection_n due_a to_o secular_a prince_n for_o that_o they_o be_v only_a arbiter_n or_o peaceable_a composer_n of_o secular_a cause_n with_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o party_n who_o be_v at_o strife_n but_o the_o put_n down_o of_o prince_n or_o deprive_v they_o of_o their_o 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hostiensis_n upon_o these_o word_n ut_fw-la comites_fw-la etc._n etc._n to_o prove_v the_o validity_n of_o this_o canon_n among_o other_o answer_n he_o give_v also_o this_o which_o he_o do_v not_o confute_v that_o some_o doctor_n do_v say_v that_o therefore_o this_o canon_n be_v of_o force_n because_o the_o emperor_n be_v present_a and_o give_v his_o consent_n secundum_fw-la d._n n._n according_a to_o pope_n innocent_a the_o four_o who_o he_o call_v dominum_fw-la nostrum_fw-la 6_o the_o same_o answer_n also_o have_v joannes_n andreas_n expound_v that_o word_n comites_fw-la note_v say_v he_o that_o the_o pope_n do_v decree_n concern_v lay-man_n but_o this_o be_v in_o regard_n of_o sin_n other_o say_v that_o therefore_o these_o decree_n be_v of_o force_n because_o the_o prince_n give_v his_o consent_n and_o be_v present_a and_o also_o the_o same_o answer_n make_v pope_n innocent_a the_o four_o expound_v the_o same_o word_n comites_fw-la note_v say_v he_o that_o the_o pope_n may_v 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as_o myself_o as_o this_o man_n say_v but_o do_v not_o prove_v or_o any_o way_n impugn_v myself_o i_o can_v comprehend_v 8_o whereupon_o it_o follow_v say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 2._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 200._o nu_fw-la 2._o that_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n ordain_v the_o deposition_n of_o prince_n may_v be_v certain_a and_o just_a albeit_o the_o reason_n or_o doctrine_n which_o be_v the_o foundation_n of_o it_o be_v not_o certain_a and_o so_o prince_n may_v be_v lawful_o depose_v by_o the_o pope_n in_o such_o case_n as_o the_o lateran_n council_n have_v ordain_v though_o the_o say_a council_n may_v be_v move_v thereto_o by_o a_o uncertain_a or_o erroneous_a reason_n so_o that_o albeit_o widdrington_n shall_v prove_v that_o the_o ground_n of_o the_o canon_n in_o question_n be_v uncertain_a or_o erroneous_a yet_o he_o shall_v prove_v nothing_o against_o the_o canon_n itself_o 9_o but_o fie_o mr._n fitzherbert_n that_o you_o shall_v show_v yourself_o to_o be_v so_o 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may_v denounce_v the_o vassal_n absolve_v from_o their_o fealty_n do_v contain_v a_o proper_a decree_n or_o precept_n concern_v faith_n or_o manner_n but_o the_o end_n reason_n and_o cause_n of_o the_o former_a decree_n wherein_o it_o be_v ordain_v that_o the_o pope_n shall_v be_v certify_v if_o the_o temporal_a landlord_n or_o lord_n be_v excommunicate_v shall_v contemn_v to_o give_v satisfaction_n within_o a_o year_n to_o the_o end_n that_o the_o pope_n may_v denounce_v etc._n etc._n unless_o he_o will_v have_v the_o council_n to_o make_v law_n decree_n and_o canon_n to_o bind_v the_o pope_n and_o that_o although_o it_o be_v a_o proper_a decree_n concern_v manner_n yet_o that_o be_v such_o a_o general_a decree_n and_o belong_v to_o all_o the_o faithful_a as_o according_a to_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o canus_n be_v require_v to_o make_v ecclesiastical_a decree_n to_o be_v infallible_a and_o of_o faith_n so_o that_o the_o more_o my_o adversary_n strive_v to_o prove_v out_o of_o the_o aforesaid_a word_n of_o the_o
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into_o error_n or_o heresy_n whereas_o catholic_a doctor_n who_o authority_n the_o learn_a of_o my_o adversary_n will_v easy_o admit_v do_v plain_o affirm_v that_o he_o who_o be_v move_v with_o sufficient_a reason_n do_v not_o embrace_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n only_o probable_o think_v do_v not_o expose_v himself_o to_o the_o danger_n of_o heresy_n error_n or_o temeritie_n for_o alphonsus_n salmeron_n and_o francis_n suarez_n man_n true_o very_o learned_a do_v bring_v the_o practice_n and_o consent_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n to_o confirm_v the_o immaculate_a conception_n of_o the_o b._n virgin_n and_o yet_o that_o the_o contrary_a opinion_n may_v be_v defend_v without_o any_o danger_n of_o deadly_a sin_n they_o both_o plain_o acknowledge_v and_o can_v also_o deny_v without_o great_a offence_n we_o say_v salmeron_n do_v oppose_v the_o consent_n of_o almost_o the_o universal_a church_n &_o the_o uniform_a doctrine_n of_o all_o university_n 2._o salmer_n tom_fw-mi 13._o ad_fw-la rom._n 5._o disp_n 51._o §._o deinde_fw-la suarez_n tom_n 2._o disp_n 3._o sec_fw-la 2._o and_o the_o second_o ground_n say_v suarez_n be_v to_o be_v take_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n and_o first_o the_o universal_a consent_n almost_o of_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o especial_o for_o these_o two_o hundred_o year_n almost_o all_o ecclesiastical_a writer_n bishop_n almost_o all_o religion_n and_o university_n have_v subscribe_v thus_o widdrington_n 26_o but_o first_o mr._n fitzherbert_n be_v foul_o deceive_v in_o say_v or_o conceive_v that_o this_o be_v a_o conclusion_n of_o this_o my_o last_o argument_n for_o it_o be_v a_o conclusion_n and_o as_o it_o be_v a_o brief_a collection_n and_o explication_n of_o all_o the_o answer_n i_o make_v in_o that_o apologetical_a preface_n to_o all_o the_o argument_n by_o which_o my_o adversary_n labour_v to_o convince_v i_o and_o my_o doctrine_n touch_v the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n of_o temeritie_n error_n 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authority_n to_o make_v temporal_a law_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n that_o in_o make_v such_o law_n they_o can_v err_v and_o therefore_o their_o law_n be_v not_o matter_n of_o faith_n but_o of_o fact_n only_o but_o the_o church_n in_o make_v law_n to_o all_o the_o faithful_a concern_v such_o matter_n of_o fact_n or_o manner_n which_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n can_v err_v by_o command_v anything_o which_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o gospel_n or_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o therefore_o such_o law_n be_v not_o only_a matter_n of_o fact_n but_o also_o of_o faith_n 29._o that_o wherein_o i_o be_v confident_a be_v this_o that_o see_v my_o adversary_n have_v not_o hitherto_o bring_v nor_o will_v ever_o in_o my_o judgement_n be_v able_a to_o bring_v any_o one_o sufficient_a argument_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v
thing_n itself_o which_o he_o testify_v for_o that_o this_o may_v very_o well_o be_v true_a that_o fa._n parson_n do_v seek_v to_o persuade_v and_o induce_v his_o holiness_n to_o that_o course_n of_o mitigation_n which_o m._n fitzherbert_n mention_v to_o wit_n not_o to_o proceed_v with_o censure_n against_o his_o majesty_n to_o which_o course_n fa._n parson_n may_v imagine_v his_o holiness_n to_o have_v at_o that_o time_n some_o inclination_n in_o regard_n both_o of_o the_o new_a oath_n then_o establish_v by_o his_o majesty_n and_o the_o parliament_n which_o do_v so_o much_o derogate_v from_o the_o pretend_a authority_n which_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n since_o the_o time_n of_o pope_n gregory_n the_o seven_o do_v challenge_n over_o temporal_a prince_n to_o deprive_v they_o of_o their_o princely_a authority_n and_o to_o absolve_v their_o subject_n from_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n and_o also_o of_o the_o severe_a law_n which_o be_v then_o new_o enact_v against_o catholic_n upon_o occasion_n of_o that_o horrible_a gunpowder_n conspiracy_n plot_v only_o by_o catholic_n and_o yet_o withal_o it_o may_v also_o be_v true_a as_o only_o by_o the_o way_n i_o do_v affirm_v and_o by_o many_o probable_a conjecture_n sufficient_o confirm_v that_o fa._n parson_n do_v also_o induce_v and_o move_v his_o holiness_n to_o the_o publication_n of_o his_o breve_fw-la against_o the_o take_n of_o the_o oath_n for_o that_o betwixt_o these_o two_o there_o be_v no_o repugnance_n at_o all_o and_o whether_o he_o do_v or_o no_o it_o be_v not_o much_o material_a to_o my_o second_o answer_n or_o reason_n which_o m._n fitzherbert_n take_v upon_o he_o to_o impugn_v 54_o nevertheless_o concern_v mr._n fitzher_n testification_n upon_o his_o own_o knowledge_n i_o must_v tell_v he_o in_o plain_a word_n that_o i_o can_v give_v no_o credit_n to_o his_o testimony_n albeit_o he_o shall_v confirm_v it_o by_o solemn_a oath_n unless_o i_o can_v be_v moral_o certain_a that_o he_o use_v herein_o no_o equivocation_n or_o mental_a reservation_n whereof_o i_o can_v hardly_o be_v assure_v consider_v especial_o his_o own_o particular_a practice_n of_o equivocation_n or_o mental_a reservation_n in_o the_o time_n of_o pope_n clement_n the_o eight_o in_o slander_v and_o traduce_v so_o false_o and_o shameful_o those_o four_o reverend_a appellant_n priest_n for_o schismatic_n spy_n rebel_n and_o disobedient_a person_n to_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a &c._n &c._n notwithstanding_o they_o be_v present_v they_o at_o rome_n to_o crave_v justice_n and_o to_o make_v manifest_a their_o oppression_n and_o innocence_n and_o also_o in_o give_v testimony_n to_o his_o holiness_n upon_o his_o oath_n that_o those_o english_a book_n which_o fa._n parson_n have_v deliver_v to_o the_o inquisition_n with_o diverse_a proposition_n therein_o contain_v show_v they_o to_o be_v heretical_a erroneous_a etc._n etc._n be_v true_o translate_v wherein_o how_o foul_o he_o and_o fa._n parson_n with_o diverse_a other_o their_o adherent_n do_v equivocate_v to_o defend_v fa._n parson_n credit_n not_o only_o his_o own_o conscience_n but_o diverse_a other_o person_n yet_o live_v can_v be_v a_o sufficient_a witness_n and_o consider_v also_o the_o common_a doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o many_o of_o his_o society_n not_o only_o touch_v equivocation_n but_o also_o mental_a reservation_n which_o in_o very_a deed_n be_v flat_o lie_v ground_v upon_o that_o chimericall_a and_o not_o intelligible_a union_n mixtion_n and_o composition_n or_o rather_o mere_a fiction_n of_o thought_n and_o word_n in_o one_o true_a mix_v and_o compound_v or_o rather_o feign_a proposition_n this_o i_o say_v be_v consider_v to_o omit_v now_o diverse_a other_o scandalous_a and_o pernicious_a position_n and_o practice_n to_o this_o purpose_n which_o some_o of_o they_o especial_o of_o our_o english_a nation_n do_v maintain_v and_o whereof_o i_o will_v hereafter_o if_o they_o urge_v i_o thereunto_o more_o particular_o treat_v i_o can_v give_v no_o credit_n to_o any_o thing_n that_o mr._n fitzherbert_n shall_v testify_v upon_o his_o own_o knowledge_n unless_o by_o some_o other_o mean_v i_o shall_v find_v it_o to_o be_v true_a 55_o now_o you_o shall_v see_v what_o mr._n fitzherbert_n observe_v out_o of_o his_o own_o testimony_n concern_v fa._n parson_n conference_n with_o his_o holiness_n to_o tax_v i_o of_o improbabilitie_n and_o impertinency_n this_o be_v so_o say_v he_o 217._o he_o pag._n 217._o i_o can_v omit_v upon_o this_o occasion_n to_o desire_v thou_o good_a reader_n to_o note_v the_o improbable_a and_o impertinent_a inference_n which_o widdrington_n make_v upon_o this_o answer_n of_o his_o holiness_n 57_o dispu_n theol._n cap._n 10._o sec_fw-la 2._o nu_fw-la 57_o for_o he_o infer_v thereupon_o that_o his_o holiness_n do_v condemn_v the_o oath_n by_o his_o breve_n and_o hold_v they_o for_o no_o catholic_n who_o incline_v to_o take_v it_o because_o he_o be_v persuade_v that_o his_o authority_n to_o proceed_v with_o censure_n against_o the_o king_n and_o consequent_o his_o spiritual_a authority_n be_v deny_v thereby_o and_o then_o he_o conclude_v 58._o ibid._n nu_fw-la 58._o that_o if_o his_o holiness_n be_v move_v to_o condemn_v it_o for_o that_o cause_n by_o the_o instigation_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n fa._n parson_n and_o those_o seven_o or_o eight_o divine_n mention_v in_o the_o letter_n above_o say_v nimis_fw-la proh_o dolour_n say_v he_o manifestum_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n it_o be_v alas_o too_o manifest_a that_o his_o holiness_n be_v delude_v to_o the_o great_a ignominy_n of_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a the_o grievous_a scandal_n of_o protestant_n and_o the_o utter_a temporal_a ruin_n of_o very_a many_o catholic_n so_o widdrington_n but_o i_o also_o must_v desire_v the_o reader_n to_o note_v the_o egregios_fw-la fraud_n and_o falsehood_n of_o this_o man_n for_o i_o do_v not_o there_o infer_v from_o the_o answer_n of_o his_o holiness_n as_o mr._n fitzherbert_n untrue_o affirm_v that_o his_o holiness_n do_v condemn_v the_o oath_n by_o his_o breve_n and_o hold_v they_o for_o no_o catholic_n who_o incline_v to_o take_v the_o oath_n because_o he_o be_v persuade_v that_o his_o authority_n to_o proceed_v with_o censure_n against_o the_o king_n and_o consequent_o his_o spiritual_a authority_n be_v deny_v thereby_o but_o i_o make_v this_o inference_n first_o from_o the_o doctrine_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n for_o that_o he_o be_v of_o opinion_n from_o which_o divine_n of_o rome_n and_o consequent_o neither_o his_o holiness_n do_v dissent_v that_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o excommunicate_v and_o inflict_v censure_n his_o power_n to_o bind_v and_o loose_v in_o general_a and_o consequent_o his_o spiritual_a supremacy_n be_v plain_o deny_v in_o the_o oath_n and_o second_o from_o the_o first_o part_n of_o fa._n parson_n letter_n concern_v the_o consultation_n of_o the_o divine_n of_o rome_n have_v touch_v the_o oath_n for_o that_o the_o divine_n of_o rome_n do_v also_o suppose_v as_o i_o prove_v in_o that_o place_n that_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o chastise_v in_o general_a and_o consequent_o his_o power_n to_o chastise_v by_o spiritual_a censure_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n so_o that_o i_o make_v there_o no_o inference_n from_o his_o holiness_n answer_v to_o fa._n parson_n but_o i_o only_o make_v a_o explication_n of_o the_o say_a answer_n from_o the_o aforesaid_a inference_n show_v from_o they_o the_o cause_n and_o reason_n why_o his_o holiness_n think_v they_o to_o be_v no_o catholic_n who_o incline_v to_o take_v the_o oath_n for_o that_o he_o be_v persuade_v by_o the_o advice_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o the_o other_o divine_n of_o rome_n that_o his_o power_n to_o excommuniate_v and_o to_o chastise_v prince_n by_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n be_v plain_o deny_v in_o the_o oath_n and_o therefore_o mr._n fitzherbert_n to_o conceal_v his_o fraud_n omit_v to_o set_v down_o my_o express_a word_n and_o the_o first_o part_n of_o fa._n parson_n letter_n and_o what_o i_o infer_v from_o thence_o 57_o wherefore_o from_o the_o discourse_n which_o there_o i_o make_v and_o which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n do_v fraudulent_o conceal_v i_o conclude_v that_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n fa._n parson_n &_o the_o other_o divine_n of_o rome_n use_v such_o sophistical_a inference_n to_o wit_n that_o because_o we_o must_v swear_v that_o notwithstanding_o any_o sentence_n of_o excommunication_n make_v or_o to_o be_v make_v against_o his_o majesty_n we_o will_v bear_v faith_n and_o true_a allegiance_n to_o his_o majesty_n etc._n etc._n therefore_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o excommunicate_a king_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n and_o because_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o punish_v king_n by_o depose_v they_o and_o by_o absolve_a their_o subject_n from_o their_o allegiance_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n therefore_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o punish_v king_n in_o general_a and_o to_o bind_v and_o loose_v in_o general_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n use_v i_o 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and_o dreadful_a punishment_n wherefore_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n himself_o do_v in_o express_a word_n affirm_v 6._o affirm_v lib._n 3._o de_fw-fr eccles_n c._n 6._o that_o there_o be_v no_o great_a punishment_n which_o can_v be_v inflict_v by_o the_o church_n then_o be_v excommunition_n and_o again_o 17._o again_o lib._n 3._o the_o laic_a c._n 22._o aug._n l._n 1._o contra_fw-la aduersar_n leg_n &_o proph_n c._n 17._o that_o excommunication_n be_v a_o great_a punishment_n then_o corporal_a death_n and_o to_o this_o purpose_n he_o cit_v saint_n augustine_n affirm_v that_o it_o be_v more_o horrible_a to_o be_v deliver_v over_o to_o satan_n by_o excommunication_n then_o to_o be_v strike_v with_o the_o sword_n to_o be_v consume_v by_o fire_n or_o to_o be_v devour_v by_o wild_a beast_n 42_o now_o to_o this_o answer_n d._n schulckenius_n repli_v in_o this_o manner_n 357._o manner_n pag._n 357._o i_o do_v not_o see_v say_v he_o in_o what_o thing_n cardinal_n bellarmine_n do_v according_a 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dispensation_n or_o declaration_n of_o the_o pope_n or_o church_n be_v forthwith_o dissolve_v 28_o all_o these_o question_n the_o lord_n cardinal_n of_o peron_n do_v so_o cunning_o involve_v in_o his_o question_n touch_v the_o oath_n of_o france_n that_o if_o we_o descend_v to_o particular_n i_o can_v see_v either_o what_o opinion_n he_o do_v follow_v concern_v the_o depose_n of_o heretical_a prince_n or_o how_o his_o doctrine_n impugn_v our_o english_a oath_n although_o he_o will_v seem_v to_o disproove_v the_o same_o which_o only_o deny_v the_o pope_n authority_n to_o deprive_v the_o king_n majesty_n of_o his_o royal_a dignity_n and_o to_o absolve_v his_o subject_n from_o the_o civil_a bond_n of_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n and_o do_v not_o meddle_v at_o all_o with_o the_o temporal_a authority_n which_o a_o kingdom_n or_o commonwealth_n have_v to_o depose_v their_o prince_n 29_o wherefore_o these_o word_n of_o the_o cardinal_n of_o peron_n affirm_v that_o not_o only_o all_o the_o other_o part_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n 15._o page_n 15._o but_o likewise_o all_o the_o doctor_n that_o live_v in_o france_n from_o the_o first_o set_v up_o of_o school_n of_o divinity_n among_o they_o have_v hold_v that_o in_o the_o case_n of_o heretical_a or_o infidel_n prince_n and_o such_o as_o persecute_v christianity_n or_o catholic_a religion_n their_o subject_n may_v be_v absolve_v from_o their_o oath_n of_o allegiance_n and_o again_o 63._o page_n 63._o say_v he_o cite_v widdrington_n in_o the_o margin_n the_o english_a writer_n who_o have_v put_v their_o hand_n to_o pen_n for_o the_o defence_n of_o the_o oath_n make_v by_o the_o present_a king_n of_o england_n against_o the_o pope_n have_v use_v all_o their_o endeavour_n to_o find_v some_o doctor_n and_o in_o particular_a french_a who_o have_v hold_v their_o opinion_n before_o these_o last_o trouble_n can_v hitherto_o bring_v forth_o never_o any_o one_o neither_o divine_a 65._o page_n 65._o nor_o lawyer_n who_o say_v that_o in_o case_n
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a_o thing_n necessary_a to_o the_o great_a temporal_a or_o spiritual_a good_a or_o harm_n of_o many_o person_n impugn_a by_o craft_n and_o violence_n and_o to_o defend_v himself_o and_o his_o credit_n from_o the_o slanderous_a report_n of_o uncharitable_a adversary_n and_o such_o like_a necessity_n which_o be_v command_v or_o permit_v by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o nature_n all_o which_o may_v by_o any_o man_n of_o judgement_n be_v apply_v to_o the_o book_n write_v by_o i_o 119_o beside_o that_o say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 21._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 222._o nu_fw-la 20._o and_o 21._o their_o lordship_n know_v full_a well_o that_o widdrington_n shall_v more_o easy_o instill_v his_o pernicious_a doctrine_n into_o the_o mind_n of_o catholic_n under_o the_o pretence_n and_o name_n of_o a_o catholic_a of_o a_o friend_n and_o of_o a_o brother_n of_o they_o then_o if_o he_o shall_v discover_v himself_o to_o be_v a_o protestant_n and_o enemy_n of_o their_o cause_n for_o as_o the_o poet_n say_v 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ecclesiastical_a government_n under_o a_o solemn_a protestation_n and_o profession_n of_o obedience_n to_o the_o church_n will_v he_o have_v think_v any_o thing_n more_o dangerous_a or_o pernicious_a than_o he_o and_o his_o work_n no_o true_o 120_o that_o which_o his_o majesty_n and_o the_o state_n may_v very_o well_o know_v for_o their_o secret_a thought_n and_o intention_n we_o can_v know_v but_o by_o conjecture_n be_v this_o that_o catholic_n will_v hardly_o believe_v or_o read_v the_o writing_n and_o book_n of_o protestant_n in_o matter_n which_o may_v be_v think_v to_o concern_v religion_n and_o therefore_o to_o the_o end_n his_o catholic_a subject_n may_v plain_o see_v and_o discern_v according_a to_o the_o ground_n of_o catholic_a religion_n the_o true_a difference_n betwixt_o spiritual_a obedience_n due_a to_o the_o pope_n and_o temporal_a allegiance_n due_a to_o himself_o and_o the_o proper_a act_n and_o object_n of_o either_o of_o they_o and_o thereby_o may_v the_o more_o 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