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A17505	A replie vnto a certaine libell, latelie set foorth by Fa: Parsons, in the name of vnited priests, intituled, A manifestation of the great folly and bad spirit, of certaine in England, calling themselues seculer priestes VVith an addition of a table of such vncharitable words and phrases, as by him are vttered in the said treatise, aswell against our parsons, as our bookes, actions, and proceedings.	Clark, William, d. 1603.; Barneby, Francis. aut; Clarionet, William, attributed name.	1603 (1603)	STC 4321; ESTC S107159	173,407	232

life or friends will ensue I am not onely patronized therein to defend my selfe friends and Country opposing my selfe against such euils but also am bound thereto Neither therein can I iustly be said to resist or impugne the Catho Religion or defend heresie in that I onely stand directly for that which the law of nature bindeth me vnto And if any hinderance thereby of Cath Religion should follow it were not to be imputed vnto me not intending any such impeachment or damage to Gods Church nor doing any act which of it selfe tendeth to any such end Secondly it is well knowne vnto me that Christ hath left other meanes by preaching teaching and good example of life for the conuersion of Infidels Hereticks or sinners and to me it is not knowne that Christes will is that my Countrey shall be conuerted by the sword and not by his word and such other holy meanes Yea it rather appeareth vnto me that our relapsed Country is to be conuerted by the way and meanes that Christ himselfe and his Apostles vsed and not by such bloody and desperate courses Therefore I may and am bound rather to cleaue vnto that meane then to any other extreame or vnnaturall enterprises Thirdly we see by practise that GOD hath euer disfauoured such attempts to the admirable preseruation both of her Maiestie and our Country which may giue vs iust cause to think that God is not pleased with such violent courses Fourthly whatsoeuer cause may be in a forrainer or in the Pope himselfe to impugne or inuade our country which may make his quarrell iust and lawfull on his part yet am not I to take notice thereof Yea though the cause were euidently iust in my knowledge and conscience yet I am not bound to leaue my countrey and assist him For the common good of my country and weale thereof is to be preferred before the particuler right of any person vvhatsoeuer And hereupon it falleth out that many times the inuader or oppugner hath iust cause to inuade with armes and therein doth no iniustice and yet for all that on the contrarie side the defendants may iustly by force of armes keepe defend themselues and countrey from such hostile incursions their liberties and country beeing more deere vnto them then the righting of any particuler parson For if a priuate person possessing goods or lands in controuersie be not bound in conscience to forsake them and deliuer them vp vnto the owners who by sentence of law hath recouered them vntill such time as by execution of the ciuill Magistrats or sherieffe the possession thereof be giuen from him what reason is there that a whole country wherein alwaies are many innocents not guilty of any iust cause of such oppressions should yeeld vp their rights and become slaues and vassalles to forrainers loosing the rights and priuiledges of their country But you will say vnto me that neyther the Pope is a forrayner in respect of his authority and dominion extending ouer the whole world neither is this cause beeing Catholicke religion his particuler right but the right which ought to be in euery creature To the first I aunswer that notwithstanding that the Pope according to his spirituall authority might be said to be no forrainer yet if he come as an Inuader vnder what pretence soeuer hee may be said to vs a forrayner in that his power consisteth of forrainers and cruell souldiers by whose villanie many miseries and oppressions were sure to light vppon innocents and vtter spoyle vpon our whole country Neyther were I bound to belieue the Pope though hee should affirme the contrary because the wills of souldiers by whō such villanies and oppressions would be committed could not be in his power And therefore I say that if the Pope could bring Christ with him in person or an army of Angels whereby we might be assured that reformation should follow without oppressions or extreame miseries and calamities then we might take part with him but if he come with an armie of men and such men as souldiers are whom all villanies follow he must not blame vs if to auoyd such euils we sticke to the law of nature and defend our selues our Prince and country And heereupon it is that we say wee be perswaded that priests of what order soeuer ought not by force of armes to plant or water the Catholick faith but in spiritu lenitatis et mansuetudinis to propagate and defend it considering the inconueniences which follow armes and inuasions and the little fruit that commeth thereof or the small number of Catholicks that arise thereby so little good example of vertue beeing giuen by souldiers especially Spaniards Yet by the way I may not omit to note againe Father Pars his perfidious dealing in displacing of the word defend saying that no priests ought to plant water or defend vvhich followeth not in our sentence For a man may by armes somtimes defend a thing got which by armes he could not iustlie get As for example Munks or religious men may not get themselues Monasteries or lands by force of armes but hauing iustly got them otherwise and hauing an absolute authoritie within their precincts they may by force keepe them from such forrainers as vniustly inuade thē if otherwise they cannot So may and ought religious men and priests to defend catholick countries from the incursions of the Turke Infidels or hereticks as oft times they haue done But it followeth not therfore that they may goe into the countreys of Infidels in hostile manner with armes onely to plant the catholick faith by force But this is after the old fashion of Fa Parsons iust dealings I could heere vrge him with an obiection which would please him but a little to wit that if euery man be bound to assist the Pope inuading as he would haue him it is for that the cause he pretendeth is iust And then doe I say secundum magis et minus that not onely the Pope but euery Prince or other person comming with force of Armes into any Countrey is to be receaued and assisted by the inhabitants and subiects of the Country if his cause be knowne to be iust vnder payne of deadly sinne Which if it be true why then did not his great Maiestie of Spayne in Paule the fourths time restore Naples vnto the sea of Rome when as Caraff inuaded the same with force of armes The world will say and the Pope himselfe will affirme that he hath more right thereto then the Spaniard how chaunced it then that hee kept it by force frō the Pope still doth See what confusion would follow Fa Parsons doctrine But he will say that religion is not onely a matter of iustice but also of necessity binding all men thereunto To this I aunswer that though it be a thing of necessity yet is not this necessity of force or compulsion but vpon election as Christ left it and euery man hath in his free will whether hee vvill accept

once appearing such as liued and saw how little sinceritie or care of Gods cause they had but meerely sought after the Crowne and the subuersion of our country not onely repented them of theyr former dealings but also detested and hated such proceedings as was manifest in Cadinall Allen and doubtlesse would so haue happened in the rest if they had liued to haue seen the handling of matters since But for the Iesuits they are so headlong and violent in these courses that they seeme no more to regard the good of our Country or estate thereof then the Spaniards themselues For notwithstanding the manifest intentions of conquest and subuersion by the Spaniards intended yet do they so concurre with them as whereas the Spaniard of himselfe seemeth slow they pricke him on continually with plots suggestions Witnes Fa Parsons actions concerning two seuerall Nauies which miscaried in one of which Ma Doctor Stillington tooke his death of the other since he speaketh in a letter writ from Rome to Ma. Thomas Fitzherbert Witnes this the late attempt in Ireland in which Fa Archer an Irish Iesuite was a great actor VVho will not say now that the Iesuits are much more to be blamed then any of the former woorthy persons sith they desist not to prosecute that which by some of them was afterwards disliked continue an offence begun yea and vppon knowledge of the infinite deformitie thereof into which the other saw not so deepely as is probable Hauing thus giuen you some light whereby you may trulie see into the drift end of the foresaid Treatise of Important considerations the reasons we haue to purge our selues of such inexcusable practises for the which hetherto wee haue all smarted and the causes wee haue not onely to condemne those facts and attempts how woorthy soeuer the persons were that dealt therein but also to exclaime against those that still runne such disloiall races and with all our power and might not onely to disclaime but also resist and reueale such vndutifull practises and indeuours of her Maiesties disloyall yet naturall subiects be they what they may be and of what condition and quality they will be for no condition or qualitie may patronize disloyaltie hauing I say giuen you some light hereof let vs now consider vvhat particuler obiections or indeed barren exclamations this Father maketh against this Treatise VVe will let passe his vaine quipping at sundry and seculer beeing both scurrilous and irreligious in abusing the phrase of seculer priests vsed and approued alwaies in Gods Church with great reuerence to the order of priesthood which he not without note of contempt ioyneth with an allusion vnto secular minds and desires saying not onely secular in order but also in mind hart and desires making the word secular in one sentence to be predicatum indifferently and in like sence as a man would thinke vnto order mind harts desires so may a man say ordo saecularis mens saecularis corda saecularia desideria saecularia in one and the same prophane vnderstanding which how irreligiously it soundeth from the mouth of a religious man iudge you Verily if he had been carefull of his penne he might haue seuered the sentences at the least so as the sence of the word might haue appeared diuers and therein haue shewed a reuerent respect to priesthood howsoeuer he had otherwise despised our persons But let vs see I pray you what he saith to our mislike of certaine Treatises letters and reports written made in diuers parts of the world All that hee sayth to this matter is nothing but a shufling vp of graue and worthy men of our nation who haue writ or dealt in such affaires but whether therein they did wel or ill hee neuer sheweth by any reason or proofe in the world Onely he exclaimeth at vs as enuious and malicious such as haue sold our tongues to the common enemy This kinde of shifting dealing is common ordinarie with this father but how simple in the sight of wise men I leaue you to cōsider If it be a sufficient proofe or excuse in euery particuler fact viz. such a graue and woorthy man did the like what matter of fact may not be excused Did not S. Cyprian rebaptize such as had beene baptized before by heretiques Is it therefore vppon this ground a sufficient warrant to anie man to rebaptize such as are baptized by protestants Haue not diuers Saints and Martirs done diuers things not to be imitated of the generations following What good conclusion then is this Graue and worthy men haue writ and dealt in this affaire therefore it is good conuenient and lawfull If such graue and worthy men had infallibilitie in their actions which Saints in this life haue not had then such an infallible inference might be made but not otherwise Therefore good Fa you should not onely haue produced the actions of such men but also the reasons and grounds of their actions and proued them to haue been good and currant by some conuincing reason and proofe but this you neuer touch Any shadow seemeth sufficient to you to bleere mens eyes but this may not serue your turne Wise and graue men haue erred and sometimes doe erre and yet remaine both wise and graue Wee are not Angels who intuitiuè see into the natures of things what is conuenient or inconuenient but we are men subiect to passion and mutability gathering things à posteriore whereof follow manie errors and imperfections in our actions And heere-vppon it commeth that posteriores cogitationes solent esse meliores and we often finde that by experience which at the first we were ignorant of A notable example heereof we haue in this very matter by Card Allen both a graue and a wise man as all the world knoweth For he was somwhat faultie in the beginning in this kinde as by a certaine treatise wherein his finger was is too too manifest yet doe we well know that in his latter time this worthy prelate was such an enemie vnto those proceedings as he neuer could endure to heare of them and much complained of the proceedings of some Iesuits therein as many can witnes Now then eyther Fa Parsons must condemne the former actions of this worthie man as erroneous as well as we doe or else disclaime from his latter proceedings being not in the same course with the first Yet heere by the way I must tell you that I verily think that this worthy man was drawne vnto these proceedings more by others then of his owne nature and I haue no small reasons to induce me thereto For first you know the generall expectance of the whole world concerning the Armado of 1588. as well for the greatnes thereof as the opinion of the Spaniards sincere pretence of Religion which was nothing so This conceite might draw the good Card to be deceaued as well as Pope Sixtus who it is well knowne was drawne into a conceite thereof and deceaued

the second or third day after his beeing at Wisbich he much disliked the violent proceeding of fa Westons part and complained of the impatience and importunity of some of them saying that they were ready to pull his cloake from his backe because hee would not heare their clamors Howsoeuer he grew afterwards to fauour them and their proceedings let him looke to it It is true that since that time hee hath prosecuted some matters further then any man in conscience could doe so hath affection blinded or ouer-ruled him as by a letter written by him in the Iesuits behalfes I haue shewed in the first chapter Concerning Fa Garnets politick dealing in those affaires then and in diuers other since I referre you also to the first chapter of this Reply to the Relation it selfe and to all those bookes that haue beene written of our late troubles Wherin if you finde not store of policies and such as I thinke may beseeme a right cunning politician blame my iudgement as very meane and weake And therefore as in the beginning I said so say I still that no wise man will measure euery man by euery good action that proceedeth frō him or euery good word he vttereth but measure his actions and words by their sequels circumstances Because euery defect diminisheth the good and corrupteth the best morall deed of man Otherwise we might truly say hypocrites were the best men because commonly they do at the least publiquely the most morall good deedes VVee may not omit heere the great humilitie hee also noteth in this Fa Weston for his promiscuall sitting at the table sometimes heere sometimes there as it pleased him leauing his proper place which was beneath Ma. Doctor Bagshaw and Ma. Bluet which in the Relation is iustly condemned For before this there was much murmuring amongst his associates that he was not preferred vnto the highest place before the foresaid two priests which because hee could not obtaine hee framed that new fashion of sitting as nouelties alwayes follow pride thereby vnder a colour forsooth of humility to take away the note of his minority to the aforesaid Doct and M. Bluet And let not Fa Parsons after his accustomed manner say that this is a malitious interpretation of his humble act for nouelties neuer follow humility but pride and disdaine Neyther can he auoyd the note of nouelty in this action of fa Weston because religious men vse such manner of sitting in their Monasteries For to introduce into the secular Clergie those things which may be fitly vsed of Friers and Monkes in their Monasteries were both a nouelty and ridiculous And so we account of this particuler action of promiscuall taking place at meales resembling the Puritans consistories where there must be no Bishop nor degree but a democraticall brotherhood all alike which the Church of GOD hath euer detested in her Clergie But if this humble Father would haue shewed true and sincere humilitie indeede he should haue betaken himselfe to his true place in that hee was a religious man haue set himselfe beneth all the priests there at the nether end of the table Neither could bee in iustice challenge any higher place beeing a priuate religious man in his order and no prelate as Father Parsons would haue him to be because he had beene his substitute in England ouer the Iesuits but neuer Prouinciall though wee termed him so in that he was his delegate For his said substitution surceasing hee was but as before a priuate religious man whereas the other priests were are verè pastores And euery man knoweth that the place of a pastor is aboue any priuate religious man though of curtesie somtimes they may vpon opinion of their sanctitie giue such a place vnto them In the 22. leafe hee talketh of wonderfull folly in vs and passionate proceeding in telling you of the greatnes of that societie through all Christendome that many great men both of the Laïtie and Clergie were Iesuits Iesuited and that fa Parsons was an especiall man with the king of Spaine the Pope and Cardinals All which make against vs as hee saith and shew fa Parsons vertues and good parts and the great reuerence esteeme of the whole Societie A strange folly sure this is Cardinall Wolsey was a great man with King Henry the eyght with the Emperour Charles the fift vvith the King of Fraunce and other great Princes and for a time he could doe great matters with them all ergo Card Wolsey was a vertuous and holy man Stay there Ma Parsons you will not say so Frier George in Hungarie was a great man with the Emperour sometimes and with other Princes other times and ruled all the country at his pleasure ergo a good vertuous man It dooth not follow Fa Parsons is or hath beene a great man with the King of Spaine deceiued the Pope abused Cardinall Caietane and other princes many great men haue had a better opinion of him then hee deserued whereby he hath been reputed for a more honest man then he proueth ergo fa Parsons is a Frier George or Wolsey Doth not this conclusion follow as fitly as the other Haue not many times bad lewd men wonne great fauor and credite both with Popes and other Princes What great folly I pray you was it to tell you that father Parsons could doe much with the Pope or other great men with his iugling or that he was great with the king of Spaine by reason of his practizing vnnaturally against his owne Country in his behalfe or what folly is it to tell you that his Order is very powerfull in all Christendome Indeed it is a bugge to many faint-harted Catholicks yea and to some of our brethren to who seeing their greatnes are afraid to encounter with them though their cause be neuer so iust But let them be as great as they can the greatnes of their order power thereof gaineth not sanctitie to euery member I pray God that the conceit thereof make not some of them be bold in going still forward with their most wicked designements which howsoeuer they shall presume to attempt they shall by Gods grace find such as both dare and will to theyr powers withstand those their indeuours notwithstanding all their greatnes As for the auerring of some great men to haue beene Iesuits or Iesuited it is certaine that many great men haue too much fauoured them through an opinion of their sanctitie VVhereby some times they haue beene the easier drawne to like of their proceedings But that euer any of vs said that Cardinall Allen was a Iesuit it is an vntruth of a Iesuit and the same I thinke of Doctor Saunders and Doctor Bristow though they might be too much affected towards them vppon such an erroneous opinion But as for Don Bernardino Mendoza it is known that he was wholy affectionate to thē and it is but an ordinary course with the Iesuits to bind both noble men