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A44185
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The case stated of the jurisdiction of the House of Lords in the point of impositions
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Holles, Denzil Holles, Baron, 1599-1680.
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Wing H2453; ESTC R20018
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custom_n and_o a_o subsidy_n of_o tonnage_n and_o poundage_n the_o custom_n he_o say_v be_v the_o king_n inheritance_n and_o due_a to_o he_o by_o the_o common_a law_n and_o therefore_o the_o first_o statute_n that_o mention_n custom_n 14_o e._n 3._o he_o say_v do_v not_o grant_v any_o thing_n but_o abridge_n the_o king_n power_n that_o he_o shall_v not_o take_v more_o than_o half_a a_o mark_n for_o a_o sack_n of_o wool_n and_o half_a a_o mark_n for_o a_o last_o of_o leather_n but_o the_o subsidy_n be_v a_o tax_n assess_v by_o parliament_n and_o grant_v to_o the_o king_n by_o the_o commons_o for_o his_o life_n only_o for_o defence_n of_o the_o sea_n the_o one_o be_v inheritance_n the_o other_o be_v a_o grant_n but_o to_o define_v and_o describe_v what_o kind_n of_o grant_n and_o in_o what_o manner_n grant_v whether_o by_o one_o or_o both_o house_n with_o all_o the_o circumstance_n of_o it_o be_v certain_o not_o at_o all_o in_o that_o reverend_a judge_n think_v this_o then_o be_v no_o 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as_o 37_o h._n 8._o the_o only_o print_a act_n of_o subsidy_n in_o all_o his_o reign_n which_o begin_v thus_o we_o the_o king_n majesty_n most_o humble_a faithful_a and_o obedient_a subject_n the_o lord_n spiritual_a and_o temporal_a and_o the_o commons_o in_o this_o present_a parliament_n assemble_v etc._n etc._n have_v consult_v together_o and_o determine_v to_o beseech_v his_o majesty_n most_o humble_o to_o accept_v and_o gracious_o to_o receive_v at_o our_o hand_n the_o simple_a token_n or_o gift_n which_o we_o do_v herewith_o present_v to_o his_o majesty_n free_o with_o one_o consent_n grant_v the_o same_o most_o humble_o beseech_v his_o majesty_n to_o accept_v the_o same_o as_o it_o please_v the_o great_a king_n alexander_n to_o receive_v thankful_o a_o cup_n of_o water_n of_o a_o poor_a man_n by_o the_o high-way-side_n etc._n etc._n and_o a_o little_a after_o they_o say_v wherefore_o we_o the_o say_v lord_n and_o commons_o do_v by_o our_o mutual_a assent_n and_o agreement_n 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pro_fw-la confirmatione_fw-la harum_fw-la rerum_fw-la omnium_fw-la dedit_fw-la populus_fw-la anglicanus_n regi_fw-la denarium_fw-la nonum_fw-la bonorum_fw-la suorum_fw-la &_o clerus_fw-la cantuariensis_n decimum_fw-la &_o clerus_fw-la eboracensis_fw-la quintum_fw-la quia_fw-la proprior_fw-la damno_fw-la fuit_fw-la what_o do_v this_o signify_v but_o that_o the_o laity_n give_v so_o much_o and_o the_o clergy_n so_o much_o and_o certain_o the_o lord_n will_v be_v acknowledge_v to_o be_v part_n of_o the_o laity_n therefore_o the_o laity_n give_v they_o be_v comprehend_v an_o other_o quotation_n be_v urge_v from_o p._n 566._o the_o word_n be_v eo_fw-la tempore_fw-la incohatum_fw-la est_fw-la parliamentum_fw-la quod_fw-la protelabatur_fw-la inutiliter_fw-la fere_n per_fw-la annum_fw-la quia_fw-la postquam_fw-la parliamentales_fw-la milites_fw-la distulissent_fw-la diu_fw-la concedere_fw-la regi_fw-la subsidium_fw-la in_o fine_a tamen_fw-la fracti_fw-la concessere_fw-la taxam_fw-la petitam_fw-la grandi_fw-la communitatis_fw-la damno_fw-la but_o how_o they_o will_v prove_v hence_o that_o the_o commons_o give_v this_o subsidy_n alone_o be_v difficult_a to_o tell_v all_o that_o can_v be_v gather_v from_o it_o seem_v to_o be_v but_o this_o the_o knight_n in_o parliament_n which_o may_v be_v take_v for_o the_o whole_a house_n of_o commons_o hold_v off_o a_o long_a time_n but_o at_o last_o yield_v and_o give_v the_o tax_n demand_v to_o the_o great_a prejudice_n of_o the_o commonalty_n do_v it_o follow_v therefore_o that_o when_o the_o house_n of_o commons_o have_v pass_v it_o at_o last_o the_o lord_n do_v not_o assent_v and_o join_v in_o the_o grant_n certain_o no_o man_n will_v say_v it_o and_o for_o their_o last_o quotation_n out_o of_o p._n 564_o in_o h._n 4_o this_o time_n that_o subsidium_fw-la denegatum_fw-la fuit_fw-la proceribus_fw-la renitentibus_fw-la the_o word_n be_v these_o in_o quadragesima_fw-la sequente_fw-la rex_fw-la convenire_fw-la fecit_fw-la apud_fw-la sanctum_fw-la albanum_fw-la clerum_fw-la regnique_fw-la barones_n sed_fw-la proceribus_fw-la renitentibus_fw-la nil_fw-la actum_fw-la fuit_fw-la and_o no_o wonder_n that_o the_o lord_n dissent_v nothing_o be_v do_v yet_o whether_o this_o be_v a_o parliament_n or_o only_o a_o great_a council_n non_fw-la constat_fw-la more_o like_a to_o have_v be_v only_o a_o great_a council_n and_o that_o the_o king_n have_v propound_v matter_n of_o money_n to_o they_o as_o he_o do_v afterward_o in_o the_o parliament_n of_o the_o 9th_o of_o his_o reign_n to_o the_o house_n of_o lord_n and_o as_o this_o very_a writer_n say_v that_o he_o have_v do_v a_o little_a before_o to_o these_o same_o baron_n at_o london_n viz._n post_fw-la festum_fw-la purificationis_fw-la rex_fw-la accerssitis_fw-la londiniis_fw-la regni_fw-la baronibus_fw-la tract_n abat_fw-la cum_fw-la eisdem_fw-la de_fw-la regni_fw-la regimine_fw-la deque_fw-la pecuniali_fw-la subventione_n sibi_fw-la ferenda_fw-la sed_fw-la 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