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A13170 A ful and round ansvver to N.D. alias Robert Parsons the noddie his foolish and rude Warne-word comprised in three bookes, whereof, the first containeth a defence of Queene Elizabeths most pious and happie gouernment, by him maliciously slaundered. The second discouereth the miserable estate of papists, vnder the Popes irreligious and vnhappy tyrannie, by him weakely defended. The third, toucheth him for his vnciuill termes and behauior, and diuers other exorbitant faults and abuses, both here and elsewhere by him committed, and cleareth his vaine obiections and cauils. Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. 1604 (1604) STC 23465; ESTC S117978 279,569 402

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Popes sentence against Henrie the fourth of France was the cause both of the reuolt of his subiects and of the warres made against him by the prince of Parma and the Spaniards Such a firebrand of warres do we find the Popes sentence to be No sooner was Henry the eight king of England pronounced excommunicate by Paule the third but he sent Cardinall Poole to stirre vp the French King to inuade his kingdome Afterward when he saw that the French could not be stirred to execute his pleasure he caused diuerse rebellions to be raysed against him by the seditious clamours of Masse-priests Monkes and Friars both in York-shire and Lincolne-shire and other parts of England Sanders confesseth that he commanded the Nobilitie and chiefe men of England De schis lib. 1 by force and armes to oppose themselues against the king and to cast him out of his kingdome Principibus viris ac Ducibus Angliae caeteraeque Nobilitati praecipit vt vi armis se Henrico opponant illumque è regni finibus eijcere nitantur The like course held Pius Quintus that wicked Pope against Quéene Elizabeth of pious memorie for he did not onely declare her depriued of her kingdome but by all meanes sought actually to depriue her of it and that first by dealing with the French and Spanish by force of arms to inuade her realmes and afterward stirring vp and comforting Malcontents and Rebels to set the realme in combustion by ciuill warres Hierome Catena in the discourse of the life of this impious Pius sheweth how he perswaded the Spaniard that he could not otherwise better secure the Low-countries then by ouerthrowing the Queene of England He declareth further how he induced the French to take part against her Likewise did Gregorie the thirtéene send forces into Ireland together with his legate Sanders Sixtus Quintus by all meanes hastened the Spanish fléete that came against England anno 1588. Neither haue they and others ceassed vpon all occasions to séeke her hurt and destruction This therefore is a most cleare case that no Christian king can be in safetie as long as he suffereth Iebusites and Masse-priests to aduance the Popes authoritie and to preach seditiously that the people hath power to put Princes out of their royall seate It is very dangerous also to foster any man within the Realme that beléeueth this seditious doctrine True it is that Papists cast many colours to hide the deformities of this doctrine but these colours are easily washed away as not being able to abide any weather First they alleage that diuerse popish Princes haue enioyed their kingdomes quietly without molestation But we are able to shew more Princes of late time troubled by the Popes practises then they are able to shew to haue liued peaceably by them Furthermore the reason why Popes do not trouble all is because it were not safe for them to fall out with too many at one time and not because their ouer large authoritie is not preiudiciall to all For if the Pope may depose all kings vpon cause then all kings stand in like danger séeing no man can auoide all causes of quarrell Bellarmine lib. 5. de pontif Rom. cap. 6. saith that the Pope doth practise this power for sauing of soules But experience teacheth vs that through his excommunications and sentences of deposition pronounced against diuers kings he hath ruined kingdomes and brought infinite people to destruction both of bodie and soule Theodorie of Niem speaking of the deposing of the king of Hungarie by Boniface the 9. saith There followed of it great slaughter of innumerable people destruction of churches and houses of religion the burning of cities townes and castles and infinite other mischiefes which follow long warres because kings without the hurt of many cannot be deposed His words are these Vndè clades hominum innumerabilium Ecclesiasticorum picrum locorum Monasteriorum enormis destructio incendia ciuitatum oppidorum villarum castrorum nec non infinita 〈◊〉 mala quae guerrae secum producunt diu vigentia subsequebantur quia non sine multorum dispendio reres deponuntur Emanuel Sa in his aphorismes for confessaries doth signifie that this doctrine holdeth against tyrants only But what doth this reléeue the Papists when those which fall out with the Pope and yeeld not to his most vnreasonable requests are presently by Friers and priests proclaimed tyrants The very Papists themselues cannot deny but that Quéene Elizabeth was much renowned for her rare clemencie and that not without cause seeing she spared alwayes those that would not haue spared her if it had lieu in their power to haue hurt her and yet they accuse her of tyrannie In the resolution of certaine cases of conscience set out by Allen and Parsons for instruction of English traytors Non gerit se vt Reginam say they sed exercet tyrannidem She doth not behaue her selfe as a Queene but doth exercise tyrannie The like words they gaue out against the French king now raigning albeit he hath shewed mercie to many deseruing none Duke Ernest sending away one that vndertooke to kill the Gount Maurice amazzate said he quel tyranno that is kill me that tyrant Others alleage that the Pope procéedeth onely against heretikes and notorious offendors But that is a most notorious and palpable vntruth for no man is more eagerly prosecuted then religious pious and godly Christians as the executions of France and Flanders do shew And if they will not confesse it true in Christians of our time yet can they not deny it in the times of the Emperors Henry the third fourth and fifth of Fredericke the first and second and of Lewis of Bauier who made such confessions of their faith being declared heretickes as the Popes thēselues could not contradict and yet did the Popes excommunicate them and sought to depose them as heretikes and tyrants Likewise did they prosecute other kings and Emperours albeit consenting with them in matters of faith Henrie the third of France of late was cruelly persecuted and murdred by the popish faction and yet was he very superstitiously addicted to popish religion Suppose then that the Pope would procéed against none but heretickes and tyrants yet it is an easie matter and very vsual for him to picke quarels and to impute heresie and tyranny and great crimes to most innocent men Finally they may say that the Pope is alwayes assisted by Gods holy spirit and cannot erre in his sentences of excommunication and deposing of Princes especially for matters of religion But this allegation is most brutish ridiculous and refuted by euident experience and most euident proofes that teach vs that he is rather led by the spirit of Sathan who was a murtherer from the beginning and is the author of rebellions and troubles then by the spirit of God that is the God of peace and author of concord among Christians Wherefore let all Princes that liue vnder the Popes obedience consider
him then his confessors incouragement who vnderstanding his resolution did not only confirme him in his purpose but also giue him absolution and minister the Sacrament vnto him For that is the fashion of these helhounds to giue the Sacrament to such wicked assassins to confirme them in their wicked purposes Confession of Gerard. That which Iauregui attempted Balthasar Gerard did afterward performe most trecherously and villanously And so by the hand of a base rascall a noble prince was murthered and a lyon trecherously slaine by a curre The attempt was grounded partly vpon the old king of Spains promises and partly vpon the encouragements giuen him by one D. Geryon a Minorite of Tornay and a Iebusite of Trier to whom he confessed himselfe and which promised that he should be a martyr if he died in the execution of that enterprise Meteran hist Belg. lib. 17. Diuers desperate assassins likewise haue attempted to murther that valiant and noble prince Maurice which hath so long maintained his countries libertie against the tyrannie of the Spaniards Michael Reinichon a Masse priest and curate of a village called Bossier was executed for that attempt He was apprehended first vpon suspition but afterward he went about to hang himselfe his owne conscience accusing him But being stopped of his course he did afterward confesse his malicious purpose his abettors Peter du Four confessed that he was set on to kill prince Maurice by the promises of Duke Ernest who speaking to him in Italian vttered these words Facete quel che m'auete promesso amassate quel tyranno that is performe your promise made to me and kill that tyrant He confessed also that by vertue of a Masse which he heard in a certaine chappell at Brussels he was made beléeue that he should go inuisible Peter Panne voluntarily confessed that certaine Iebusites perswaded him to kill the Count Maurice and that by their meanes he was furnished with a knife for the purpose He persisted in his confession at his execution and so was done to death A matter so plaine and manifest that Coster and Parsons denying it do rather confound themselues then conuince the mans confession For suppose the poore man was mistaken in some names which might well be considering that the Iebusites do vse to change their names yet it is absurd to thinke that any would confesse a matter against himselfe and set it downe with so many circumstances if there neuer had bene any such matter Peter Barriere was executed not many yeares since at Melun for that he was conuinced by diuers witnesses and afterward confessed that he came to the court of France with a full resolution to kill the French King Henry the 4. He confessed also that he was animated thereto by a Carmelite a Iacobin a Capuchin and a Iebusite at Lyon and that he had conferred with the Curate of S. Andrew at Paris who told him that he should for this fact be translated into paradise and obtaine great glorie He talked also with the Rector of the colledge of Iebusites where he receiued the sacrament and with another preaching Iebusite who as he sayd assured him that his resolution viz. for killing the king was most holy and meritorious Wherefore being conuinced by diuers witnesses and presumptions and by his owne confession wherein he persisted vnto the death he was by an ordinary course of iustice condemned and executed The Iebusites and their followers I confesse say that he was a light headed fellow But his answers and the whole proceeding against him which is particularly set downe by a Papist in the Iebusites Catechisme lib. 3. cap. 6. doth declare the quite contrary and proue manifestly that he came to the place with a ful resolution to do that wicked act being encouraged thereunto by the Iebusites and other pillers of the Romish Church that without such execrable murthers cannot stand The same also proueth that he answered in all that cause like a man well aduised Iohn Chastel wounded the French king Henry the fourth with a knife and purposed to haue cut his throte Registers of the Parliamēt of Paris After the act being examined he confessed that he had learned by philosophy which he had studied in the colledge of Iebusites at Paris that it was lawful for to kil the King and that he hath often heard the Iebusites say that it was lawfull to kill the King being out of the Church In the end persisting in his confessiō he was put to death His master also which taught him this philosophie was banished the Realme of France Finally the parliament of Paris considering the sequele of this damnable doctrine pronounced the Iebusites to be enemies of the king and kingdome and banished them out of France and caused a piller to be crected in the place where Chastels fathers house did stand testifying that the Iebusites are a pernicious sect and enemies to kings Gladly would the Iebusits put away this disgrace but it is engrauē in stone and their instances and answers are such as rather further blot them then reléeue them Crighton accused one Robert Bruis before the Count de Fuentes for that he had not murdred a certaine Noble man of Scotland nor would disburse fiftéene hundred crownes to thrée that at his solicitation had vndertaken that murder Such is the violent humor of the Iebusites and so are they transported in their passions and rage to kill princes But nothing I suppose doth better discouer the execrable intentions of the wicked Iebusites and Masse-priests against Kings then their trecherous practises at diuers times attempted against Quéene Elizabeth Pius Quintus dealt with the King of Spaine by force to ouerthrow her and stirred vp her subiects secretly to rebell against her Sixtus Quintus an 1588. left not off to solicite the Spanish king against her vntill the Spaniards were ouerthrowne at the sea and had their land forces scattered But when warres and open force wrought no good effect they and their fellowes and adherents set murderers and empoysoners on worke Anno 1584. William Parry vndertooke to kill her the which resolution so well pleased Pope Gregorie the 13. that Cardinall Como in the Popes name promised him pardon of all his sins and a great reward besides for his endeuour Monsignor saith he his Holinesse hath seene your letters with the credentiall note included and cannot but commend the good disposition which as you write you hold for the seruice and benefite of the publike weale wherein he exhorteth you to continue vntill you haue brought it to effect And that you may be holpen by that good spirit that hath moued you he granteth you his blessing and plenary indulgence and remission of all your sinnes assuring you beside the merite you shall haue in heauen that his Holinesse will make himselfe your debtor to acknowledge your deserts in the best sort he can c. Where note I pray you that the Pope promiseth heauen and not only reward in
to take away the crowne nor the life from a prince that beléeueth his lawes and yéeldeth to the Pope all that authoritie which he claimeth yet doth he lose halfe his reuenues authoritie and regall soueraigntie For first the Pope shareth the Kings reuenues claiming tenths first fruites subsidies confirmation and disposition of Ecclesiasticall liuings and infinite summes of money for pardons licences dispensations and all maner of rescripts Those which are acquainted with the Popes faculties and incrochments in former Kings dayes within this land and now in Spaine Italy and other popish countries know they are intelerable and no way inferior to the Kings reuenues Nay if a King néed a dispensation for an Ecclesiasticall matter he is forced to bargaine with the Pope and to buy it deare The absolution of King Iohn had like to haue cost him the Crowne of England Secondly not the King but the Pope is King of priests and ecclesiasticall persons Boniface the 8. in the chap. Clericis de immunit eccles in 6. doth excommunicate both Kings and others that impose taxes and subsidies vpon the Clergie He doth also lay the same censure vpon those clergie men that pay any subsidies to ciuill Magistrates which sheweth that he kept them for his owne selfe Alexander the fourth in the chap. Quia nonnulli de immunit ecclesian 6. exempteth the possessions and goods of clergy men from toll and custome Bellarmine in his treatise De exemptione clericorum cap. 1. setteth downe these propositions In causis Ecclesiasticis liberi sunt clerici iure diuino à secularium principum potestate That is In Ecclesiastical causes clerkes are free from the commaund of secular princes by the law of God And by ecclesiasticall causes he vnderstādeth all matters which concerne the church and which by hooke or crooke the Popes haue drawne to their owne cognition Againe he sayth Non possunt Clerici à Iudice seculari iudicari etiamsi leges ciuiles non seruent That is Clerks are not to be iudged of secular Iudges albeit they keep not his temporall lawes His third proposition is this Bona clericorum tam ecclesiastica quàm secularia libera sunt ac meritò esse debent à tributis principum secularium That is The goods of clerkes whether they belong to the Church or be temporal are free from tributes of princes and so ought to be He sayth also that secular princes in respect of clerkes are not soueraigne princes and that therefore clerkes are not bound to obey them Now how is the King absolute in his kingdome if he haue neither power ouer the persons of the clerks nor their goods Emanuel Sa in his aphorismes In verbo Clericus in his book first printed and alleaged by him that wrote the Franc discourse hath these words Clerici rebellio in regem non est crimen laesae maiestatis quia non est subditus regi The rebellion of a clerk against the King is no treason because he is not the kings subiect This is plaine dealing and sheweth that the king is no king of the Clergie where the Popes lawes beare sway But because these words be somewhat too plaine therefore in a later edition of these aphorismes set out at Venice they haue for their owne ease cut out the words albeit in effect Bellarmine and others teach so much Their practise also declareth that this is their meaning for Thomas Becket stoutly resisted Henry the second Mat Paris in Hen. 2. and his parliament enacting that clerkes offending against the kings lawes should answer before the kings Iustices Further he would not agree that clerkes lay-fée should come in trial before them Sixtus quartus did enterdite the state of Florence for that they had executed the Archbishop of Pisa notoriously taken in a conspiracie against the State Xistus quòd sacrato viro Archiepiscopo ita foede interfecto Cardinalem quoque captiuum fecissent Hieronymo instigante grauissimum Florentinis sacris omnibus interdictis bellū intulit saith Onuphrius That is Sixtus warred vpon the Florentines and enterdited them for that they had killed the Archbishop of Pisa being a priest and layd hands on a cardinall And yet he declareth they were actors in the conspiracie against Iulian and Laurence de Medicis that then ruled the State This was also the greatest quarrell of the Pope against Henry the third of France for that he caused the Cardinal of Guise to be killed being culpable of most enormous treasons against him Now what can Kings do against their subiects if they may not punish them offending in treason Thirdly the Popes do draw many temporall matters from the cognition of the King to themselues and their adherents Boniface the 8. c. quoniam de Immunitat Eccles in 6. doth excommunicate all those that do hinder matters to be brought frō triall of temporall iudges to Ecclesiasticall courts and namely those that will not suffer all contracts confirmed by oathes to be tried before Ecclesiasticall iudges By which meanes almost all causes were brought before them and the Kings iurisdiction almost stopped and suspended The Kings of England therfore to restraine these incrochmēts made the law of Praemunire putting them out of his protection that wold not be tried by his lawes Is it not strange then that Christian princes should suffer such companions to vsurpe their authoritie and not onely in causes Ecclesiasticall but also in temporall to beare them selues as iudges Finally they deny that Christian Princes haue power either to make Ecclesiasticall lawes or to reforme abuses in the Church or to gouerne the Church concerning externall matters All papists do so distinguish betwixt Ecclesiastical and politicke gouernement that they exclude temporall Princes from the gouernement of the Church and make them subiect to the Pope Bellarmine lib. 1. de Pontif. Rom. c. 7. determineth that temporall Princes are no gouernours of the Church If then Christian Princes loose part of their reuenues and part of their iurisdiction and are quite excluded both from the gouernement of the Church and also disposing of the persons and goods of Ecclesiasticall persons most apparent it is that such Princes as admit the Popes authoritie are either but halfe kings or else not so much loosing more then halfe their authoritie by the Popes incrochments How contrarie this is to the doctrine of the Apostles and ancient fathers we néede not here dispute S. Peter teacheth Christians to honour the King and Paule exhorteth euery soule to be subiect to the higher powers Now what greater dishonour can be offered to a King then to take away his authoritie And how are they subiect that pay the King nothing and claime exemption from his gouernement Our Sauiour willeth all to giue to Caesar that which is due to Caesar and Peter payed tribute to Caesar But his false successors pay no tribute to Caesar but take tribute of Caesar and challenge it as due to them selues Nay they haue against all right vsurped his imperiall citie of Rome