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Mr. Pryn's good old cause stated and stunted 10 years ago, or, A most dangerous designe in mistating the good by mistaking the bad old cause clearly extricated and offered to the Parliament, the General Council of Officer's, the good people's and army's immediate consideration.
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Rogers, John, 1627-1665?
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Contest 2. That breach of Parliament was not the first Original neither of the differences betwixt the King and Parliament which we find were very Wide and High before that And all indeed upon the account of the Good Old Cause as to substance though indeed but an Embryo unformed substance to what it arose up to after But Mr. Prin gives the Go-by to all this and puts in at another Port or indeed part and that mistakenly too for the WHOLE besides 3rd even in that Declaration he refers us to pag. 38 39 40. the Parliament for the Vindication of their worthy Members do assert the Liberties and Rights of the people before mentioned as much as the Priviledges of Parliament 3. In the Matter or Merit of the Cause by the Declarations of the Lords and Commons Jun. 10 1648. he thinks to Win all at one throw because the raising of the Militia and after that an Army by the Propositions for Money Plate Horse Arms and men was for King and Parliament and for the suppressing of the Traiterous designe of his wicked and Malignant Counsellors and to maintain the Protestant Religion the Kings Authority and person in Royal Dignity the free course of Justice and Laws of the LAND Peacâ— of the Kingdome and Priviledges of Parliament and here saith he you have the Good Old Cause truely clearly and fully stated by both Houses of Parliament in every particular branch thereof But let us a little unravel and Exâ—ricate the matter and ground of the quarrel between us and the King from his Fallacies Extra Dictionem as well as in Dictione we do not deny but here the Good Old Cause appeared Yet not so fully truely and every Branch thereof stated as Mr. Prin affirms or as it grew up unto afterward both in Parliâ—ment Army and Nation yet in a sense or secundum quid it did appear thus 1. For King and Parliament together as the Supream Counsel of the Nation And yet at the same time too AGAINST the King so fâ—rre as he was inseparable from his Evil and wicked Malignant Counsellours the reason is this because the Majestas Realis or Tutilariâ— the Protecting Real Authority and Majesty of the King was with the Parliament all along though the titularis was with his own person and evil Counsellors So that they must needs carry on All in the Name and Authority too of King and Parliament so long aâ— Kingship lasted Therefore when the King in person entred the Parliament and demanded the five Members the Parliament declared Jan. 17. 1641. the same was a Traiterous Designe against King and Parliament For indeed they were both in the Authority and Majesty Real so long as the King adhered to his Evil Counsel They fought not against his Real Majestie but denied that he had it with his Evil Counsellors whom they engaged against and so against all that could not be separated therefrom See the Declaration of Lords and Commons for I must meddle with no other to Mr. Prin's Cause they close it thus So that it rests onely that the FREE-BORN English do consider whether they Will adhere to the King and his Parliament by which they have so long enjoyed all that is dear to them Or to the King seduced by Jesuitical Counsel and Cavaliers who have designed all to slavery and confusion which by Gods blâ—ssing and our joynt endeavours may be timely prevented 2. To maintain Religion the Kings Person and Authority Both Houses of Parliament the Laws and Liberties of the people i. e. so farre as they could consist or be kept together was the CAUSE but when that was impossible and could not be effected no not by all the Remonstrances Intreaties Messages Treaties or Means used day and night for that purpose Thâ—n their Work was to maintain what they could of it viz. the Liberties of the people and their Representatives and this was the GOOD OLD CAUSE To saâ—isfie Mr. Prin if it may be by the Resolves of Parliament when both Houses sat 20 May 1642. Resolved That whensoever the King maketh Warre upon the Parliament it is a breach of the trust Reposâ—d in him by his people contrary to his Oath and tendeth to the dissolution of this Government i. e. Kiâ—gly Government and Was not this the Good Old Cause I pray Even in Mr. Prin's own account Anno 1642. though it be not now The Consequent of the Argument is obvious to every eye If the King made the Warre upon the Parliament it tended to the Dissolution of his Kingly Government But the King made the Warre upon the Parliament by Mr. Prins and Mr. Baxter's own Concession who say the Parliament wâ—re on the Defensive and by their own Argument it must be then the Good Old Cause which stands upon the dissolution of that old Government viz. King Lords and Commons and which maintains now in sensu Composito all the Rights and Liberties of People and Parliament though the Kingly Government be lost and dissolved by his own Wars 3. And although there be a truth yet it is not all the truth that Mr. Prin sayes but with fallâ—ciâ Accidentis and improperly seeing the predicated Liberty and Rights of the People require neither a House of Lords nor Court I mean of King to the Essence of them This form of Government by King Lords and Commons being laid in the thick of Popery by King Henry 1. for the Popes Interest as well as his own Mr. Prin cannot deny which merits the denomination of his Good Old Cause This indeed was hatch'd and laid by the Romish Gibeonites but not ours of the Commonwealth And the truth is if we desire to be reduced to dark Popery and stark Slavery Mr. Prin's Good Old Cause is then the best But will he weigh the Grounds upon which the most Honourable Parliament that ever went before it declared the House of Lords dissolved as well as Kingship March 19. 1648. The Commons of England Assembled in Parliament finding by too long experience the House of Lords is uselesse and dangerous to the People of England So upon March 17. 1648. Whereas by the Abolition of the Kingly Office a most happy Way is made for this Nation if God see it good to return to its just and Antient Right of being Governed by its own Represâ—ntatives National Meetings in Council from time to time c. This was all upon the account of the Good Old Cause and is indeed the True Old Cause first contended for in the more inform substance of it now in a better excrescence of Beauty and Perfection above what before appeared And if Mr. Prin or Mr. Baxter can make it appear this was plotted by the Jesuits as we can theirs by Papists I shall become their Proselyte in the state of the Case but if that yet he will maintain the House of Lords in the foundation of them I must desire him to reconcile himself to himself or his present Argument with
to the glory of God Renown of this Nation Terror and dread of â—ll our Enemies at home and abroad who like Bores were wâ—etting their Tusks in their own foame Corruptio optimi â—essima est 2. Hath not experience taught it all along that nothing is more obnoxious to Parliament-Priviledges or ready to invade them then a Kingly Prerogative and a Negative Voyce in himself and his supercilious scowling Lords was not Mr. Prin of this opinion at the Kings demanding the five Members and if the Sword be kept in its proper place for the service of the Commonwealth it will be far from over-awing the Freedom of Parliament or enervating of their just Authority in the Nation 3. But the truth is if the Commonwealth were Mr. Prin's Client or took his Counsel it would quickly come to that As the Fable sayes Whiles Actaeon had his own and proper shape he had all his Currs at his own Command but when he did degenerate or turn into a Beast he was made a prey to his own Dogs and so would the Commonwealth to heâ— veriest Enemies and we should soon see a Trowt to be deerer then an OX But to prove that it is so p 4. l. 1. he affirms that the blindest eyes may most cleerly discern it and I think so too the truth is he had need to deal with such as have had their right ears cut off with Malchus or their right eyes put out He puts me in minde of a Man who was much taken with a Horse both for make and colour and after he had bought him asked the fault of him which he should have done before but the Courser told him for his incouragement he had no fault but this that he was a DARK Grey and so he was a Grey bâ—t as blinde as a Beetle dark indeed it is but a folly to like the COLOUR that he puts upon his Cause if the blindest Man may best discern it 5. Grand DESIGN is to revive the Memory of the late King's Death with such circumstances as may set it out for the most Odious Act that ever was done in England thereby the more highly incensing the Commonwealth's Enemies and colour their cruelty to the Commonwealth's friends if ever they fall into their fingers or if they may sit but as Coroners upon it Mr. Baxter of the Two is most open-faced for p. 317.318 of 's Key for Catholicks he first forges a story or unlocks a Cabinet full of Dilemma's to finde out the Plot which he calls the Jesuiâ—es Plot that they might bring upon this Nation the Odium of King-killing and p. 321 322. by twelve undeniable Arguments as he calls them he is pleased to say the Fact to be so odious as that no Protestants had a hand in it and the World sayes he knowes they the Army were fain to Master London the Parliament to imprison and cast out the Members before they could accomplish it here he refers to Mr. Prin and sayes It is well known to All England that before and since the doing of it the thing is disowned and detested by the main Body of the English Nation Nobility Gentlemen Ministers and People And that the Protestant Ministers so opposed the Kings Death that they drew upon them the Odium of the Corrupted part of the Army And that the London-Ministers unanimously concurr'd in an Addresse to prevent it printed their Abhorrence of it to the World and many of them were imprisoned Mr. Love beheaded and many others put to death about it And that the Kingdom of Scotland as he calls it disowned it from first to last c. Now what means all this ranâ—acking in the Tombs of the Dead but to raise up evil Spirits for if they had done it but like Alexander when he had opened Cyrus's Tomb to set a Crown upon his Hearse and so as silently have shut it up again it had been tolerable and theâ— had left room for more Charity at least to think that excessive Love to their Persons gave the vent of these Passions but as they handle the matter it makes us doubt whether Love to them or hatred to others did help most in the Obstetrication of this hurtfull matter and unworthy Accusation which the Lord convince them of and humble them for Mr. Prin p. 6. mentions the Declaration of the Army for settling his Majesty in his just Rights the Parliament in their just Priviledges and the Subject in their Liberties and Freedome All which was effected for his Majestas Tutilaris realis had its just right in the Parliament and in our obedience thereto and his Majestas Titularis personalis say they had his right too with his evil Counsellors in the Commonwealth also the Parliament have their just Priviledges which they are deprived of in and by the Kingly Government and the People have their due and just Liberties Civil and Religions and is not this the Good Old Cause but without doubt the Design is to make the Dead Body bleed afresh by Sympathy if they can and then to condemn the Worthiest Assertors of our Free State for Murtherers and King-killers the Lord shew them more mercy we see what quarter they will give us if they catch us far be it from me to aggravate their evil and much more to excite any in Power or Army against them whom I have had a very worthy esteem of but in this matter and truly I hope I would rather me potius periturum quam perditurum die then destroy onely I must be faithful â—o warn of the Danger What need we wonder now that the Exchange was so full of the Lists of them lately that sat in the high Court of Justice as if the Popes Taxa Camerae had been sent over with the rates of all sins Venial and Mortal Sure then 't is time to look about us lest SHEBA be too forward for us Who 2 Sam. 20.1 blew the trumpet and said We have no part in David neither have we inheritance in the son of Jesse every man to his Tents O Israel 6. DESIGN that Mr. Prin and his Brethren seem to have is to disaffâ—ct People with that Parliâ—ment if they can as being the most terrible of any to the Enemies of the Common-wealth thâ—t fixed the Government in or the Balance of a Free-State afâ—er the Dissolution of Kingship and House of Lords and to possesse the Nation with this that there is no visible Authority in it but the meer power and force of the Sword the onely Good Old Cause now sayes Mr. Prin p. 6. cryed up The truth iâ— that Parliament was interrupted we do not say dissolved by a sudden recoil we say not a total or intentional alienation of the Militia yet so as their Seats it seems in Parliament could neither fit suit with nor hold any other man in them to this very day after many an Essay which is observable And so as that the Army are made the more sensible of those