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A01159 Good nevves from France. Containing the insolent demands of the Iesuites. Being against 1. The Kings authoritie. 2. The ordinary iustice of his Maiestie. 3. The dignitie and power of the cardinalls, archbishops, and bishops of other orders & professions. 4. The young scholars vnder them. 5. The good and well-fare of the townes and cities which receiue them. 6. The perfection of sciences. 7. The antiquity & co[m]mandements of the Church. 8. The resolution of the clergie of France, and the letters patents of the Kings; and against the sentences of allowance and registring thereof, which they themselues haue pursued. Together with the decree or finall iudgement of the Kings Privie Councell giuen the 27. day of September 1624. in the ioynt defence of the vniversities of France. And against the Iesuites ... / Translated according to the French copie.. France. Conseil privé. Arrest du Conseil privé du Roy, donné le 27. de Sept. 1624. pour les Universitéz de France, jointes en cause, contre les Jésuites. English. Selections. 1624 (1624) STC 11274; ESTC S120957 11,859 30

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GOOD NEVVES FROM FRANCE Containing the Insolent Demands of the IESVITES Being against 1. The KINGS Authoritie 2. The ordinary Iustice of his Maiestie 3. The dignitie and power of the Cardinalls Archbishops and Bishops of other orders professions 4. The young Scholars vnder them 5. The good and well-fare of the Townes and Cities which receiue them 6. The perfection of Sciences 7. The Antiquity Cōmandements of the Church 8. The Resolution of the Clergie of France and the Letters Patents of the Kings and against the Sentences of Allowance and Registring thereof which they themselues haue pursued TOGETHER WITH The Decree or Finall Iudgement of the Kings Privie Councell giuen the 27. day of September 1624. In the Ioynt defence of the Vniversities of France And against the Iesuites in respect of their Insolent demands whereby they are forbidden to take vpon them the name title or qualitie of an Vniversitie or to giue Degrees in any facultie or nomination to any BENEFICES Translated according to the French Copie LONDON Printed by I. D. for Iohn Bellamie and are to be sold at his Shop at the three golden Lyons neare the Royall Exchange 1624. Good Newes from FRANCE CONTAINING CERTAINE REASONS Vpon which is grounded the Decree or Sentence from the Kings Councell against the Iesuites demanding the abrogation of a Decree of the Parliament at Tholouse By which they were commanded that they should not take vpon them the name title or qualitie of an Vniversitie and that they should not giue any degree in any facultie nor any nomination to any Benefices THe Vniversities haue alwayes had such a favour of our KINGS that they haue beene received when they did demand Iustice of their Maiesties not only in their own particular causes but also in causes which did concerne the publick estate of the Kingdome The Histories and publick Acts do plainly shew it and also it may manifestly appeare by the Records of the Parliament at Paris that our King Charles the 7. when he would restore and confirme the rights and fundamentall lawes of his Kingdome And having to this end assembled many great Lords to this Councell there were heard as well their Atturney Generall as also the Vniversitie at Paris and vpon that which they did represent were made many good Ordinances to which his Maiestie did sware and caused all his Officers and Councell to sware to them inviolably It is manifest to all the world that our King is not inferior to his Auncestors in doing Iustice to his Subiects without acceptation of persons after GODS Ordinance by whose grace he doth raigne with resolution to conserue his royall authoritie with courage to maintaine his State in all the Bodies whereof it is composed against all Interprises Therfore haue the Vniversities being prest by an extreame necessity for to defend themselues against the assault yea against oppression which the Iesuites not being contented yet with the dissolutions and ruines which they haue brought vpon them heretofore doe now take in hand to bring vpon them in attributing to themselues their title and their rights their title in making so many Vniversities as they haue Colledges of their Societie their rights in making the advancements and giving the degrees to the Schollers yea to them which the Doctors of the Vniversitie hath refused as if they were their superiors The same Vniversitie doe hope that it will not be vnpleasing to the King that the Deputies should defend them And in defending themselues in the presence of his Maiestie and of the Lords of his Councell they doe not vphold onely the Decree given to their profit by one of the most honorable Parliaments of his Kingdome that is to say the Parliament at Tholouse of which the Iesuites dare demand the Abrogation and so abusing the favour that his Maiestie hath done to them in taking one of them for his Confessor A most singular favour which till this present they haue not received of any of our holy Fathers nor of the Kings of Spaine But also doe shew and proue by authentick Acts yea by the Iesuites owne writings that the demand which they doe make now and the proiects which they haue to attribute to every one of their Colledges the title and rights of an Vniversitie are contrary and preiudiciall to the Kings authoritie to the ordinary Iustice of his Maiestie to the dignitie and power of the Cardinals Archbishops and Bishops of other orders and professions to the yong Schollers vnder them and to the good of the Townes which doe receiue them to the perfection of Sciences and Antiquitie to the cōmandements of the Church and to the resolution of the Clergie of France in the assembly at Poissy in the yeare 1561. to the Letters Patents which they haue obtained of our Kings Henry the second Francis the secōd Charles the ninth Henry the third and to those Letters which they haue had for the re-establishing of the King Henry the Great of happie memory and of our King which doth raigne at this present As also to the Decrees of the allowance and registring thereof which they themselues haue pursued in the Court of Parliament of this Kingdome 1. Against the Kings authoritie BEcause they will by vertue of a Bull which they say that they haue obtained from our holy Gregory the 13. take vpon them power for to chuse and create Iudges Conservators for all kinde of causes as well Civill as Criminall and mixt yea those in which they themselues should be demanders for their rights lands and houses fruits rents and revenues and for all other things moueable and vnmouable spirituall and temporall and that the Iudges which they should haue received should doe Iustice according to the will of the rector of their Vniversitie 2. Against the Kings Authoritie BEcause by vertue of an Institution inferted and related in a Bull which they haue obtained in the yeare 1540. of our holy Father the Pope they retaine for their Generall which since their comming till this present day hath beene a stranger a Spanyard or one borne vnder the subiection of Spaine all kinde of government and soveraigne authoritie over the Scholars which are of their Colledges and over their Colledges and over all others which are of their Societie for to obey him alwayes and to acknowledge him as one who hath the authoritie of our Lord Iesus Christ and in their Vow they doe promise to him as to one which keepeth the place of God all obedience not onely for things obligatory but also for all other things though there should appeare no other thing to them but a signe of the Generalls will without any expresse cōmandement in doing all things that which should be cōmanded in perswading themselues things to be lawfull in renouncing through a blind obedience all advice and iudgement to the contrary suffering themselues to be carried and vsed even as a dead corpse willing that no particular person directly or indirectly without the permission and
approbation of their Generall should aske or cause to be asked of our holy Father the Pope nor of any other which is without the Societie any grace for himselfe or for another and that he should beleeue if he did not obtaine his desire of his Generall or with his consent thereto it is not for him though it were for diuine service and on the contrary if it be fit for him by the consent of his Generall which keepes the place of our Saviour Iesus Christ for him that he shall obtaine it And that which is said of the Colledges must also be vnderstood to be said of the Vniversities of the Societie in the same manner that if they obtaine that which they demand for this present time one must no more say for the royall Vniversitie of Paris but the Vniversitie of the Societie and so of all other Vniversities of this Kingdome And although that he doth communicate his power to other inferiors which are in the Provinces Visitators and Commissioners yet alwayes he hath power to approue or to abrogate and make void that which they haue done and to ordeine in all things that which he thinketh good And alwayes they must obey him and honor him as one that is the Vicar of our Lord Iesus Christ 3. Against the Kings authoritie BEcause they haue a generall Agent which giveth advice to the Generall as well of persons as of things as it pleaseth them And their Generall hath foure Assistants one for the businesse of France and Germany another for Italy and Sicilie the other for Spaine and Portugall and the other of the Indies And generally for to doe all things he hath a Generall Atturney of the Societie and he hath every yeare a Catalogue sent vnto him of all the Houses and Colledges of the Societies and another of all the Persons which are in every Province They will also that there be in their pretended Vniversities a Secretary of the Societie which keepeth a Booke in which are written all the names of them which come to their Colledges and which of them doe receiue promise to obey the Rector and to obserue the Constitution And if there are some which doe refuse to giue their names and so doe register and enrole themselues that he should represent and shew them because they should take more particular care to the Schollers whose names are written in the Booke of the Vniversitie and to speake it plainely and without dissembling what can one say more as to enrole seduce and retaine men for a stranger as alwayes till this day the Generall of the said Societie hath beene And this cannot be done in this Kingdome without contrarietie and infinite preiudice against our Kings authoritie No man can serue two severall Lords nor can as a subiect and vassall acknowledge the one and the other for his Lord. Our King cannot be acknowledged served by a Generall vpon the conditions here related more then our holy Father the Pope can be in qualitie of a Vicar of our Lord Iesus Christ as the Vniversities with the Catholick Apostolick and Romane Church do acknowledge him for and as a Generall that keepeth Gods place and is our Lord Iesus Christs Vicar But if they for to cloak this say like as they are wont to doe that they doe vow a particular obedience to his Holines we answer that they doe suppresse it with that is written in their Constitutions that it is onely for the Missions and then they attribute to their Generall the full direction and power thereof 4. Against his Maiesties ordinary Iustice BEcause that no bodie of their Colledges and Houses whether he be of those which haue made their vowes or of their helpers or of their Scholars must suffer himselfe to be examined for civill and much lesse for criminall causes without the leaue of their superior and that their superior must giue no leaue if it be not in causes that concerne the Catholike Religion 5. Against the dignitie and power of the Cardinalls Archbishops and Bishops BEcause they take away from them the power and authoritie of iudging otherwise then is written in the Bull which they say they haue gotten for to chuse Iudges Conservators in all civill and criminall causes and they doe constraine them to iudge and decree according to their Institutes and Constitutions by vertue of a Bull which they had from our holy Father the Pope Gregory XIII in the yeare 1584 which beareth the greatest excommunication and a penaltie of disabilitie to any Offices and Benefices fecular and regular of all Orders and that as soone as the deed shall be done without any other declaration against all persons of whatsoever condition and preeminence they be which shall withstand and gainesay directly and indirectly the Institutes and Constitutions of this Societie or any of the Articles vnder colour of disputation and seeking of the truth As also they doe attribute by vertue of their Institutes Bulls and Constitutions to their Generall the Government of all the Vniversities which they haue Which doth exclude and depriue the Cardinalls Archbishops and Bishops of the right and possession that they haue as Governors and Protectors of the Vniversities which doth exempt many Clerkes of their Iurisdiction 6. Against the Rules and Professions of other Orders BEcause that they in respect of those which haue a portion with them that they take the best Benefices for to ioyne them to their Colledges as it is manifest and in respect of others they doe take vpon them all the Faculties Concessions exemptions Indulgences remission of sinnes and grace as well spirituall as temporall granted yet to be granted which haue and shall haue in time to come all other Orders of beggars Priests and Nunnes for to enioy by them for all and in the whole so as they themselues yea with as much right and they will that all those which doe studie in their Colledges or pretended Vniversities doe promise that they will obey them and obserue all their Constitutions for so much that if any Priests doe studie and take their degree and promotion as there doe many in the Vniversitie at Paris and other Vniversities they should be bound against the rules of their Orders and Professions to promise obedience to no other then their Superiors 7. Against the young Scholars which are vnder them BEcause the professed Societie must take no care to teach in their Colledges perfection of liuing Letters worthy to a Christian but onely those which are esteemed to haue the Talent for they shall be as a Nurse-gardian to the professed Societie to his helpers and they know that if with the Colledges the Vniversities were also committed to the Societies keeping in proceeding the manner of which is spoken in the fourth part they helpe to the same end adding thereunto these speeches For the greater good of God and the generall good of the Societie which know certainly that they doe not establish their pretended Vniversities