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A73761	The epistle congratulatorie of Lysimachus Nicanor of the Societie of Jesu, to the Covenanters in Scotland. VVherin is paralleled our sweet harmony and correspondency in divers materiall points of doctrine and practice.	Nicanor, Lysimachus, 1603-1641.	1640 (1640)	STC 5752; Thomason E203_7; ESTC R17894	65,738	81

and promised for their parts to be quiet yet do not you so till your King shall performe all your demands From that which hath been done by you 5.6 and repeated by me I see other two errours banished which I conjoyn for brevities sake lest my Epistle should encrease to a Treatise viz. That the King is no more to be President nor supreme Governour in causes Ecclesiasticall It is the folly of your Divines to make the Moderator of your Assemblies to be unto the King or his Delegate in Assemblies as the Chancelor in the Parliament is to the King or his Deputy in Parliaments But I extoll your courage who now conclude with us Bellarmin● Ad Regium officium pertinet ut legibus edict is suis ●am fidem teneri quam sacerdotes tenendam docent c. It s the duty of Kings by their Lawes Edicts to cause that faith to be kept which the Priests teach should bee kept For the spirit of the Prophets is subject to the Prophets But is Saul also among the Prophets Is it true that the Anticovenanter sayes that in your Ecclesiasticall judicatories called 1 Sessions 2 Presbyterles and 3 Synods there wil be in the first sometimes twelve sometimes sixteene in some places 24. Lay-Elders for one Priest Secondly in your Presbyteries Lay-elders of equal power and number Thirdly in your Synods as many Lay-elders with their Assessors as there is Priests all which Lay-elders have as great power in matters of Doctrine and Discipline as the Priests themselves to judge and passe Definitive sentence c. But I trust it is not so for I heare that they are offended to be called Lay-elders and will be called Ruling-elders and Ecclesiasticall persons and so I doubt not but they have received orders from you And therefore seeing Ecclesiasticall persons among you have the managing of Church-affaires the civil Magistrate must be content to execute what you decree neither ought he to judge otherwise then you judge neither can he hinder you to make Lawes in the Church For as Stapleton sayes very learnedly with you Oves non possunt judicare pastores Let the sheep-heards judge of the sheep who must follow them as Christs sheep heard his voyce and followed him Therefore you have most valiantly shaken off that yoke of the Kings supremacie in causes Ecclesiasticall Novemb● 29. 1638. Pro●●t in Juhi 1638 5 5. and at the Crosse of Glasgow proclaimed to the world against the Kings Proclamation for raising the Assembly that your Assemblies are the supreme judicaterie in all causes ecclesiasticall and since supreme its independent from the King 〈◊〉 appeale from 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 C●●●●●ll ●o●●e generall Assembly and Parliament 〈…〉 3. and your reason is good for that which is superiour cannot be subject to that which is inferiour Now as Bellarmine also sayes Regimen Ecclesiasticum sublimius est Politico The Ecclesiasticke government is higher then the Politicke for Principatus politieus institutus est ab hominibus de jure gentium at principatus ecclesiasticus est à solo Deo de jure divino The Politicke Government is institute by men and of the Law of Nations but the Church Government is from God alone and of Divine institution Therefore you conclude right that the king hath no more power to appoint officers in the Church then you have power to appoint officers of state for his Court. In Zions Plea pag. 289. You answer well to the Protestants objection thus If any object the Magistrates interposed anthority it 's quickly answered That his power is not to weaken any ordinance of God but for guarding and making good all Gods ordinances with the Sword And in your protestation at Edenburgh 18. December 1638. you bring from your Booke of Discipline a full and perfect description of the Kings authority in Church matters which is this To assist and maintaine the discipline of the Kirk and punish them civilly who will not obey the censures thereof And in your answer to the Marquesse of Hamilton his Declaration you say That the Supreme Magistrate as a Son of the Kirke ought to receive the true meaning of the Kirke and cause it to be received by those whom God hath subjected unto him Yea it is so f●rre from being a prerogative due to the Supreme Magistrate to bee Supreme governour in causes Ecclesiasticall that it is a favour granted unto him to have any precedencie in Synods without voycing except hee would become a ruling Elder and have accommission to come Therefore it is most remarkable which you say in your Protestation 29. Novem 1638. at Glasgow After 39 Nationall Assemblies of this Nationall Church where neither the Kings Majesty nor any in his name was present At the humble and earnest desire of the Assembly His Majesty graciously vouchsafed His presence either in His owne Royall person or by a Commissioner not for voiting or mukiplying of voyces but as Princes and Emperours of old in a Princely manner to countenance that meeting and to preside into it for externall order c. And this is all that wee grant to Emperors and Princes in our Disputes against Protestants And I pray you what Royalist can answer the Arguments which you have borrowed from us all their answer is that they exclaime that you do borrow your Arguments from your enemies yet not so great enemies as they suppose for the Jesuite is called the Popish Puritan and the Puritan is called the Protestant Jesuite and I trust that the like may be said of us which is said of Christ and Franciscus Turs l●● Exue Franciscum tunica laceroque cucullo Qui Franciscus ●rat jam tibi Christus erit Francisci exuviis si qua licet indue Christum Jam Franciscus ●rit qui tibi Christus ●rat And wee are both by Papists and Protestants though unjustly branded with these vile Epithers Ludav●de C●●zam to bee called Holy Divels the Standard-bearers of persidionsnesse the Architypes of Rebellion the Bellows of Sedition the Emissaries of the Divel the Kings evill and the Incendiaries of the whole world c. and our Thuan is so farre out of Love with us that hee sayes our Societie is Nata Magistratum convellere nata ministris Subtrahere obsequium Praesulibusque suum But albeit there were some od● between us what is that to them since they bee good for you who found fault with him who said Mutemus clypeos Danaumque insignia nobis Aptimus Dolus an virtus quis in hoste requirat Who can blame you while you say Protestat 18 Novem●● 1638. that if Princes shall have such power in Assemblies and in matters of Religion then all Religion and Church-government should depend absolutely upon the pleasure of the Prince and hee may change it as he will So sayes learned Stapleton in his dispute against the Protestant Doctrine Posita hac potestate nec in una provincia velregno din erit fidei unitas

gods and men But I like not to trouble my selfe with such men but proceed to another head Which is concerning the power of your Discipline in temporall things wherein is a question whether our or your discipline the chiefe Commander in the Camp royall have the greatest power You do learnedly hold Answer to the Marquess Hamillons Declaration that the Kings high Court of Parliament cannot hinder you to make Lawes Ecclesiasticall seeing your Ecclesiasticall government is independent Yea you doe hold that your Assemblies may repeal● and adnull even the Ecclesiasticall lawes that are confirmed in Parliament so that upon your re-calling them the sanction of the Parliament is nullitated and of no effect Your own words are Emphaticall Ibidem Albeit acts of generall Assemblies b●● ratified in Parliament yet a generall Assembly may re-call those confirmed acts which being adnulled the civil ratification and sanction falls ex consequenti Certainely I dare promise you the Popes blessing for this most learned Thesis for now a door is opened to let in all Popery whether the King will or no so that I trust as I said at the beginning our Union shal be full For since your Assemblies have such power over Parliaments as to adnull all ecclesiasticall lawes confirmed therein as you have done already with Episcopacy and the articles of Perth which stand ratified and confirmed by divers acts of Parliament then it shal be easie for you at any Assembly when or where you wil to repeal and adnull all the ecclesiasticall lawes ratified and confirmed by Act of Parliament in favour of the Protestant Religion and to establish new lawes for our Roman Religion in stead of it though the King Parliament and Councell should resist you You haue good reason for it for as Bellarmine sayes B●ll de ●lericis lib. 1. cap. 29. Habet se potestas ecclesiastica ad secularem quomodo Spiritus se habet ad carnem quam regit moderatur aliquando cohibet Caro autem nullum habet imperium inspiritum neque illum ulla in re dirigere vel judicare vel coercere potest Sic igitur potestas ecclesiastica quae spiritualis est as per hoc naturaliter seculari superior secularem potestatem cum opu● est dirigere judicare coercere potest ipsam verò à seculari dirigi vel coorceri nullâratione permittitur The ecclesiasticall power is to the secular power as the spirit is to the flesh which rules moderates and sometimes restrains But the flesh hath no command over the spirit neither can it direct or judge or restrain it in any thing So then the ecclesiasticall power which is spirituall and therefore naturally superiour to the secular may direct judge and restrain the secular power when it is needfull But by no reason is it permitted to bee directed or restrained by the secular power and therefore when your King did by his Proclamation discharge your Assembly at Glasgow which ought to direct him and not bee cohibited or restrained by him you did well to sit still and adnull divers acts of Parliament And in your Protestation against the Kings Proclamation for raising your Assembly Protestat Novemb. 29. 1638. as it was your wisdome not to enter into direct action with his Majesty so it was your courage to summon all the Lords of his Majesties Councel who consented to the Proclamation to appear before the Parliament the 25 of May 1639. There to be punished for giving the King evill councell viz to raise the Assemblies When the K. commands one thing by acts of Parliament or by his Proclamations you may protest against the same and command the contrary in your protestations and acts of Assemblie for as we say well Autor lib. ad pers●cu● Angl. fol. 336. p●●et ecclesia praposites facultas est amplissi●a interdicendi nobis ne reges obedient●â absequio nestre honoremus These that are set over us in the Church have a very large power given them even to interdict us that we honour not our Ks. with our obedience So the Councell of Trent cōmands all to receive the decr●●● without regard to their Princes consent and denounceth ex communication in case of refusall requires an oath of obedience approveth violence in rooting out of heresie ordains the Inquisition for them Therfore when the King by his Proclamation did command that the Covenant of K. James as it was in 1581. yeer of God should be subscribed you by your authority did prohibite any to subscribe it but will have your own subscribed For this cause in your general Assembly you have set down An act discharging subscription to the Covenant which was subscribed by the Kings Commissioner and Lords of the Councell which his Majesty in his marginall note calls a traitorous act You have another excellent Act discharging all Printers in Scotland to print any thing in Ecclesiasticall affaires without the warrant of Jhons●on your Clerk You have Acts also concerning mills salt pans and market dayes on Munday and Saturday And especially your Assembly hath adnulled his Majesties Court of high Commission all this we see in the Index of your Acts all is well done though it encroach upon the civill power for in temperalibus Ecclesia non solù● praecipit dirigit Odoard VVest in Sanctu●r juris Pontis ● 6 sed coercet disponit virtute potestatit gubernativa In temporall things the Church not only commands directs but restrains dispones by vertue of her gubernative power And you know we do not maintain a direct power in temporall things but an indirect power in ordius ad spiritualia for we stand not upon words when we are sure of the matter it self and may bring all temporality within the compasse of our power But I pray you why did you forget to adnull the Acts of Parliament that doe ratifie the Kings Supremacy especially in spirituall things since you have adnulled other Acts of Parliament why have you prejudged your selves so much as to leave those acts for Supremacie uncancelled If you had remembred the complaint of your holy brethren in former times you would not have forgotten this but as you have de facto taken it away so de jure you would have declared the same an unlawfull act for as your predecessors said If the King have supreme power in causes Ecclesiasticall Thinus addition to Holinshed pag 446. then there is nothing left of the whole antient forme of Justices and policies in the spirituall estate but a naked shadow I goe on to a tenth Parallel which is your dispensation with oaths even with the oath of Allegeance and Supremacy with the oath of Canonicall obedience You will not upbraid us again with this as if we were only enemies and traiters to Kings For we dispence with no Subjects oath of Allegeance so long as they defend the religion but if they either fall from the religion themselves or will not defend