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A16615 A myld and iust defence of certeyne arguments, at the last session of Parliament directed to that most Honorable High Court, in behalfe of the ministers suspended and deprived &c: for not subscribing and conforming themselues etc Against an intemperat and vniust consideration of them by M. Gabril Powell. The chiefe and generall contents wherof are breefely layd downe immediatly after the epistle. Bradshaw, William, 1571-1618. 1606 (1606) STC 3522; ESTC S104633 109,347 172

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them and were praying for them Is there not by all authors a difference made betwixt Simulare and di●simulare that the one may be used in godly policy and christian wisdome but that the other is alwayes of the flesh fleshly In allegation of examples every particular is not nicely and strictly to be respected but that poynt onely is to be considered for which they are produced and wherto they be applyed Otherwise from the application of Davids eating of the shewe bread vnto the Disciples plucking the eares of corne to eat Math. 12.3 A mā may gather that because David used lying as a meanes to obtayne the sheew bread at the Preists handes therefore also it is lawfull for us by lying to obteyne some thing in our necessity By the same reason also because the midwiues of Egypt are commended to feare the Lord etc. and to haue spared the male children of the Israelits the same fault of lying may be justified because they being examined by Pharoh of that their doeing excused themselues by a lye The like may be saide of Rahab commended for her faith in savyng the Israelits spyes Heb. 11.31 Though she defended her selfe from the inquisitors of the King of Iericho by a lye Ios 2.4 If the example of Constantius and Iehu may for some things be excepted against yet it might haue been considred that the author to expresse his generall meanyng the better did mention also the example of Ioseph and of our Saviour Christ Iesus against whom there can be no exception And now to clere his meanyng the better let the example of Salomon in that wherein he is so highly commended be also remembred who to try whither of the two weomen were the mother of the living child commaunded the lyving child to be divided in twane and the one halfe to be given to the one woman the other halfe to the other woman 1 Kings 3.25 Here is a manifest pretense of that which was not intēded Let the answerer therfore learne that there is great difference betwixt pretending onely for triall of the affections of other and deepe dissembling or Iesuitecall equivocating for the hiding or maynteyning of some impiety and wickednes I doubt not therefore but I may justifie the author from all such thinges as by allegation of the examples of Constantius Iehu are most uncharitably imputed unto him yea that also I may truely affirme his meanyng in them to haue been onely to shew that he conceaved of his Majesties meanyng that which he was perswaded to be best Therfore farr was he from all undutifull conceits against his Majestie It is also to be observed that he doth not absolutly say this or that to be his Majesties meanyng but onely that it might be like to the meanyng of Constantius Iehu Ioseph and our Saviour for ought that any man else did knowe If it be otherwise Gods will be done and I hope that whatsoever some doe imagine of such as are silenced and deprived that upon sight of his Majesties full resolution for the countenancyng and authorizyng of the Bishops to hold on their course against us then many will yeeld etc. yet it shall well appere that we haue not depended upon any other then upon God alone and that that which we haue done is not done vpon any vayne hope or expectation but in conscience of that word which is our onely rule and canon whereby to liue and whereby to dy Touching the answerers wish that some of our faction as he unbrotherly speaketh did so litle practise equiuocating as his Maiesty abhorres it either let him name such if he know any and let them beare their iniquity or else let him spare such wishes as whereby he implieth a secret accusation G. Powel Whereas his Highnes heart is evidently discerned to be fully seasoned with true piety etc. Answer Though flatery be odious and the wages therof fearfull yet if his Majestie or any other doe well consider the best fruites of a true heart our loue and loyalty towards his Majestie should be sound as good as the best Prelate in the land G. Powel It sufficeth me to haue detected the licence of their raving pēnes the restraint of which fury specially belongeth to your Honorable judicious Court Answer O M. Powell you doe to much forget modesty Whither pen raveth most yours or the authors or whither he or you I will not say yee though you write by authoritie of some other be in most fury let that Honorable and judicious Court judge Yea if it might please his Majestie to vouchsafe the reading of the wrightings and in his Princely wisedome to consider the dealing on both sides we would not feare his Royall judgment concerning our cause or our selues We feare the judgment of one Lordly Bishop ten times more then the judgment of ten such religious Princes For we assure our selues of more equitie from his Majestie then we doe from all Lordly Bishops in the land G. Powel Which your Honors will the rather performe considering what unchristian conceits they haue of this Honorable assembly and of all other his Majesties loving subjectes who loyally obey him and serue God according to the religion established resembling them to Constantius his Nobles Who became Idolaters and Atheistes upon his commaundement As before we haue seene how untruely the answerer maketh this note vpon the authors conclusion Answer with the letter e an vniust calumni pag 77. in as much as he hath accused the author before of bold presumptuous and unduetifull censuring of his Maiestie etc. thereby to provoke his Majesties heavie indignation against us all Contrariety so now contrary to the same note he accuseth us also before the Nobles yea before all the states of the whole kingdome Doeht this man spare us as he professeth to doe in his second note upon the 4 argument Touching the matter here objected it is partly answered before The authors intent and purpose was only to perswade all his Majesties christian subjectes to thinke Honorably of his Highnes and not to judge him by outward supposed apparences Therwas nothing to insinuate any such unchristian censure of this Honorable assembly and of other loving subjectes as this wranglinge answerer would wrest from the authors words The matters in question concerne onely or specially the ministers of the word The things also commaunded by his Majestie are nothing like to the thinges commaunded by Constantius How injurous therefore it is to conclude the same sinne to be of them that obey his Majestie in the thinges now commaunded that was in those that obeyed Constantius I leaue to the judgment of all reasonable men The fallacies of this collection in respect of the difference both of thinges and also of persons commaunded I leaue to the sentence of them that are as skilfull in Aristotle his Elenchs as M. Powell seemeth to be The childish accusation of the author from the 8 Argument heere inserted
England the same are to be iudged and determyned by Ecclesiasticall Iudges according to the Kings Ecclesiasticall lawes etc. fol. 39 And againe obserue good reader sayth S. Edward Cooke seeyng that the determination of heresies etc. belongeth not to the Common law how necessary it was for administration of Iustice that his Maiesties progenitors Kings of this Realme did by publike authority authorize Ecclesiasticall Courts under thē to determyne those great and important causes etc. by the Kings Ecclesiasticall lawes The jurisdiction therfore Courts and lawes Ecclesiasticall in the opinion of the Kings progenitors were thought held to be their own Kingly lawes Courts and jurisdiction The same is further proved by the sayd S. Edward Cooke fol. 9 by the president of Renulphus in discharging and exempting the Monastery and Abbot of Abinden from the jurisdiction of the Bishops and granting also to the saide Abbot Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction etc by the president of William the first fol 10. 11 who made inpropriatiō of Churches with cure to Ecclesiasticall persons etc. and by divers presidents of other Kings since the conquest That which in this parte of the answer is afterward added of the necessary restitution of the right of Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction to the Crowne is also confuted by the same S. Edward Cooke who plainely saith that though there had been no such law of restitution made yet it was resolved by all the Iudges that the Kings and Queenes of Englād for the tyme being by the auncient prerogatiue law of England may make such a Commision etc. And therfore by the auncient lawes of this Realme this kingdome of England is and absolute Empire and Monarchy consisting of one head which is the King and of a body politike c. Also that the Kingly head of this body politike is furnished with plenary power c. to render iustice and right to every part and member of this body Thus farre S. Edward Cooke From all which it followeth that the restitution of the auncient right howsoever lawfully made as being made by the whole body of the kingdome was notwithstāding not necessarily made as though without it the King or Queene for the tyme being could not haue used their auncient right That which followeth in the 2. 3. and 4. branches of this 4 answer to the consequence of this 8 Argument doth not belong to the matter because it doth nothing justifie the proceedings of the Bishops or other Ecclesiasticall Iudges in depriving of the Ministers pleaded for in such manner and for such causes as for which they haue depriveded them The question is not whether jurisdiction Ecclesiasticall by the lawes of the land doth be long under the King unto the ordinaryes nor whether the Ordinaryes in the exercise of the Kings jurisdiction Ecclesiiasticall and Consistoriall trialls ought to proceed by vertue of Peeres etc but whether some Ordinaryes exercising the Kings Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction haue proceeded in their Ecclesiasticall Consistories against some Ministers without authority of the Kings Ecclesiasticall law therfore in that respect contrary to Magna Charta which requyreth nothing to be doone without the Kings law Further De jure Regis Ecclesi fol. 9 although we grant as S. Edw. Cooke instructeth us all lawes Ecclesiasticall derived from other which by and with a generall consent are approved and allowed here to be aptly and rightly called the Kings Ecclesiasticall lawes of England yet I deny that all lawes Ecclesiasticall derived by the Kings progenitors either before or since the Conquest from others are now in this age our Soveraigne Lord King Iames his Ecclesiasticall lawes and therefore howsoever many judiciall Acts of deprivation of Bishops Preists from their benefices c. according to the Ecclesiasticall law which is called ius Pontificium which was derived by the Kings Progenitors from the Bishops of Rome either before or since the Conquest unto Magna Charta and since that to the 25 of King Henry the eyght were never all held to be contrary but were ever all held to be agreable to the lawes of this kingdome yet notwithstanding I affirme that all Iudiciall Acts and sentences 25. Hen. 8 cap. 17 how many soever of deprivation of Ministers from their benefices had made and given by the Ecclesiasticall Iudges since the 25. of King Henry the 8. onely according or onely by force and vertue of the sayd ius Pontificium or Bishop of Rome his law the sentences given in the time of Queene Mary excepted are and ought to be holden not to be had made given by the lawes of this kingdome or by the Kings Ecclesiasticall law And why Even because the whole ius Pontificium or Bishop of Romes law was altogether excepting the tyme of Queene Mary abrogated adnulled and made voyd by an Act of Parlament and consequently is but a meere Alien Forraine and straunge law and no municipall law of England and therefore not the Kings Ecclesiasticall law Wherefore our Soveraigne Lord King Iames by this graunt of Magna Charta made by his progenitors beyng obliged to suffer no Free man of the Realme to be taken or imprisoned or disseissed of his Frrehold or liberties c. Nor to passe upon him nor condemne him but by lawfull judgment of his Peeres or by the law of the land We agayne assume from this statute of the great Charter that sundry sentences of deprivation of Ministers from their benefices for causes before specified are unlawfull because such Ministers haue been condemned and judgment hath been passed upon them without lawfull judgment of their Peeres or law Ecclesiasticall of the land For heere we must giue the answerer to witt by these words or law of the land that all the Kings lawes of what nature or quality soever whether Ecclesiasticall or temporall and not only the lawes temporall as he insinuateth are included As therefore no temporall Free man of the Realme may be condemned passed upon or disseissed of his liberty and freehold c. in a temporall cause and in a temporall Court without lawfull judgment of his Peeres or temporall law of the land Even so likewise no Ecclesiasticall person beyng a freeman of the Realme may be condemned passed upon or disseissed of his liberty or frehold but by lawfull Ecclesiasticall judgement according to the law Ecclesiasticall of the land And heereupon we graunt if the King haue any law Ecclesiasticall of the lād for the deprivation of a Minister from his liberty and frehold for not subscription perjurie contempt of Canonical so called obedience omission of Rites and Ceremonyes not precise observation of the booke of Common prayer c. Then we graunt that the Ordinaryes being the Kings Iudges Ecclesiasticall may rightly depriue a Minister from his benefice for these offences And yet still we deny and shall be able to mainteyne that sundry sentences of deprivation made and given by sundry Ordinaries against svndry Ministers be either unjust or unlawfull or no sentences at
he would eat no cheese were this moderat severity What then may be sayd of them that cast out other from the inheritāce of the Lord whose labours God hath blessed to the joye of many an elect soule that only for not doyng that against which they can yeeld a farre better reason from God his will revealed in his word then any man can doe for his not eating of cheese or for any other the like action from the secret instinct of nature G. Powel The author of these arguments is not afrayd to perswade provoke your Honorable Court these are his owne words to intercede with his Majestie that he would compell the Reverend Prelats to surcease their rigorous and cruell dealing The Apostle biddeth vs to provoke one another to loue to good works Heb. 10.24 Therefore why might not the author of these arguments use this word unto the Parliament for so good a worke as in all the said arguments is intended But for the latter words of M. Powel to compell the Reverend Prelats to surcease their rigorous and cruell dealing etc. Where doth the author use them The drifte of all the arguments insinuateth so much If it be but insinuation then all the words before set downe are not the expresse owne words of the author as M. Powell hath said 2 It may be taken for granted that the sayd Prelats are so resolute for mainteyning of their Hierarchie Discipline Ceremonyes and other conformity that they will not yeeld one inche yea not to his Majestie exceept they be compelled Gab. Powel The Prelats haue soberly and temperatly caryed themselues in their proceedings Answ We will all with one accord most thankfully acknowledg this when we shall find it In the meane tyme we do acknowledge it comparatiuly true in respect of their wils and desires For by this answer written by their authority and by divers other tokens it is apparant that they would gladly provoke us to giue them further advantage against vs and also that for these causes they would doe more thē they doe yet I speake not of all I doe unfainedly confess that their is great difference of affections amongst them it respect of us they would I say doe more then they doe If they feared not the people No but if his Majestie his most Honorable counsell would giue them leaue and if they feared not as much indignation from his Highnes as now they seeme to be in grace with him and as much opposition by the honorable Counsell as now perhaps they seeme to haue furtherance by some of them that do not so well understand the cause G. Powel Their obstinat superstion hath worthely made them subject to the proceedings of the Bishops What Superstition And obstinate superstition Answ We were never before to my remembrance charged with superstition much lesse with obstinat superstition but haue alwayes been accounted great adversaryes to superstitiō Yea we hate it with a perfect hatred yea our soules abhorre and detest the least superstition much more obstinat superstition as much as the best of them doe hate it yea much more then some of them it is one of our reasons against some poynts of conformitie that we judge them superstitious How then may we be charged with superstition Yea with obstinat superstition But what if we were superstitious May we therfore be punished cōtrary to law or aboue that that the law requyreth Were not this to ad transgression to transgression and to punish sinne with sinne We may not doe evill that good may come thereof G. Powel The author cryeth out as if the gospell by such proceedings were banished Gods worship prophanely adulterated to the eternall perill of many thousand soules Where is this outcry It is very low and soft Answer in some secret corner or written in very small letters that no man can see or heare of it The author might well cry out that the gospell is in part banished by the suppression of so many able godly faithfull paynefull ministers that Gods worship is in part corrupted both in the doctrine especially sithens this late vehement strivyng by our Prelats for conformitie as shal be afterwards touched and also in the other publike exercises of religion by mixture of humane inventions Ceremonyes and Traditions Yea and that heerby we are in danger to haue the candlesticke removed and the kingdome of Heaven taken from us and given to a Nation more worthy then we except by repentance doing our first works Revel 2.5 Yea making our last works more then our first vers 19. We doe in time prevent this judgment G. Powel The Parliament is able to convince him heerin of malepart Sycophancy and manifest untruth Answer I would such accusers notwithstanding their such threats of the Parliaments kindnes would stand with vs that we might be admitted to stand with them at the barre of the Parliament for triall of this accusation and whether the author of those Arguments or this answerer haue abused that most worthy Senat. G. Powel This author feareth no rebuke of shame for his vnconscionable dealyng Answer Let this unsconscionable dealing be shewed in the author or else let this answerer be ashamed G. Powel This man speaketh frō Cimmerian darknes by concealing his nāe Answer Then also by the same reason many books of the scripture the writers whereof haue concealed their names were written from Cimmerian darknes The like may be sayd of many other most worthy Theologicall bookes without name of any writer Much more may the same be sayd of the booke intitled SCOTTISH GENEVATING ENGLISH SCOTIZING and many other such disgracefull and scornefull books published without name of any author against the desired reformation and all the favorers thereof It is also the severitie of the Prelats that maketh vs the rather to conceale our names If we had as much liberty to publish our books for our selues as every rayler hath to put forth any thing against us Yea as there is for Printing of many profane filthy scurrilous lascivious ungodly bookes authorised by some of them you should quickly see our names The author is bold to offer his writing even to your Honors Gab. Powel to provoke you to supplicat to his excellent Majestie in behalfe of their cause or else to determine it of your selues Answ The author never desired this determynation you speake of by the Parliament as though that would or might be authenticall without his Majesties Royall assēt but onely that his Majesty thereby seeing the equity of the cause and the affection of his people therunto might also be the more easily perswaded to vouchsafe his princly favour towards them therein G. Powel I was cōmaunded by some in authority to peruse and breifely to refute these Arguments which at the first I was unwillyng to take vpon me If you be so ready to be commaunded to write against
none So say I that for the better mayntenance of the gospell where there were neede there might be many a good share had out of the surperfluity of those that maintayne their wiues in sattin and dammaske gownes velvet kirtles cheynes etc that bring up their children like the children of Noble men that fat themselues and theirs and starue the Lords people and who after their great abundance Preach not so much in 4 yeares as they did before in one G. Powel Suppose there were not able Ministers inough for this purpose Haue not the refractary Ministers then greater reason to joyne with their brethren in preaching the gospell confuting the Papists etc then superstitiously to quarrell about cross and surplice and to forsake their necessary vocation Nay Reply Haue not the Prelats the more reason to suffer us still in the worke of the Ministery with them We are all willing so farre to joyne with any in preaching the Gospell as we may doe nothing against the Gospell to craze the peace of our owne conscience The answerer often charging us with superstition cōvinceth them that say that we doe not that which we doe of conscience For if we be superstitious in not yeelding to crosse surplice etc then are they to us meere matters of cōscience For superstition is not in words but hath her seate in the conscience THE 16. ARGVMENT Ephes 2 14 15 As Christ Iesus to make peace betwixt Iewes and Gentils tooke away the Ceremonyes ordayned by God himselfe because they had been a partition wall betwixt the sayd Iewes Gentils and instituted no other in their places so the Ceremonyes other thinges now in question having been the meanes of much debate amongst us wherby the buildyng of the Church hath been greatly hindred and the enimyes thereof strenghtned they ought in this respect to be removed Ergo. The Ministers now molested for the sayd thinges inquestion ought to be spoken for and releeved and that by the Parliament because none may doe it better The Marginall Notes G. Powel a Hence appeareth what things they be that the refractaryes are offended with why then doe they pretend the gospell of Christ reconciliation with God etc Ad populum phaleras Reply These things being repugnant to the purity and sincerity of ihe gospell under which God will not be worshipped in any such Ceremoniall sorte Iohn 4 23 but in spirit and truth Being also such as for which the Ministery of the gospell is restrayned upon the liberty wherof dependeth the salvation of the people and their reconciliation with God There is no cause why such scoffing and frumping outcryes should be made against us as here else where are made Yea though the ministery of the gospell were not for these thinges restrayned yet being urged in the worship of God they are unlawfull and men standing against them and in all humility desiryng them to be removed by lawfull authority may well be sayd to stand in Gods cause and to plead for God G. Powel c O Martin was an modest man Thanks be to God Reply that you haue no other then Martin to upbrayd vs with who was unknowne what he was and whose writing was never approved by us and who also though he jested at some manners of your side yet never wrote so bitterly as many of you now doe G. Powel d They will offend and yet will not be told of it You haue not proved us to offend Reply in those thinges wherein you impute most offence unto us If we doe offend we are more then told of it yea our punishment is greater then our offence because it is greater both then the law appoynteth and also then the punishment of other whose offences are greater G. Powel e Heat of contention may carry men further then were expedient But are the refractaryes mylder in this kind Witnes all their Pamphlets and libels written against us The first parte of this note is plentifully justified not onely by the booke Scotish Genevating Reply by the most scurrilous booke of The picture of a Puritan and by the answerers owne booke De Adiaphoris but also by this presēt answer injoyned and allowed by authority wherein for ought I know there are more rayling scoffing and untrue speeches then are in all the bookes here unjustly termed pamphlets and libells If any notwithstanding of us doe offēd in this kind they are not iustified by the rest yet this is not to be forgotten that they that be the loosers and goe away with the blowes may be the better borne withall in their words G. Powel f A disgracefull terme But doe they acknowledge themselues non conformitans and schismaticall Reply If the word conformitan be a disgracfull terme is ther not disgrace in Conformity and being conformed For are not these words Conformed conformity and conformitans coniugata Why then are we urged to conforme Eyther therfore you justifie vs in not conforming our selues for who would disgrace himselfe or else you doe ill to say we call you by a disgracefull name when we call you conformitans G. Powel g Suam scabiem affricant Reply It needeth no answer All men know and dayly heare how they galle us in every sermon and how litle we deale with them G. Powel h A malicious lye There are fewe or none in the Church of England so ignorant and so scandalous in the Ministery as here the suppliants insinuat and if any such be amongst us sure I am that upon complaint and intimation otherwise they are severely censured and punished for it Yet I must giue them to understand that scandalous Ministers for life are more tolerable in the Church then such as be factious Schismaticall or scandalous for doctrine and phanaticall conceits Plus enim nocent doctrinae scandala quam morum delictae Reply Neither malicious nor lye All men good bade doe too well knowe too many both ignorant and scandalous to be in the Ministery If it might please his most excellēt Majestie or his most Honorable Councell to send out Commissions into all Countryes and to appoynt indifferent Commissioners neither Bishops nor any other Prelaticall persons because such are partyes but religious Noble men and gentlemen to inquyre of this matter the truth would much better appeare to the everlasting reproch of all those that doe so justifie the present state of the Ministery For the rest of the former note who knoweth not that one lewd person how base and abject soever may and dayly doth procure worke more trouble to a good Minister and doth more easily prevaile to his ejection then twentie good men though of never so good credit yea then somtymes the whole Parish besids though never so great can doe for the good and peace of the best Minister That also for a man not to were a surplice or make a cross in the ayre or I cannot
such a cause take heed you be not found a servant of men Answer But if any in authority haue cōmaunded you this worke did they also commaund you to rayle and revile your antagonist as you call him in such manner as you doe It is lamentable that any in authority in such a Christian Church should either commaund any such thing or allowe of it being done But it is more lamentable to obey The time was when you did well employ your selfe against the Common adversaryes You did then runne well What letted you that you did not hold on in that course What hath provoked you to turn your pen from them and to whet it now the second time against those whom you call and should in truth acknowledg your brethren Doe you feare any violence from the Papists by holding on against them because perhaps of some former experience Indeede you may well feare such violence from them and be secure touchyng all danger from us because you haue learned from the Apothegme after mentioned of D. Elmer late Bishop of London and much more from all experiēce that you may justly feare your life and cuttyng of your throat in the company of one Papist but that no such thing is ever to be feared amongst ten thowsand of those whom it pleased him to call prescisians G. Powel In divers respects I feared to plead in so high a Court before such judges etc. Yet the equity and holines of the cause moved me etc. Answer Why should you feare being commaunded Would not your comnaunders beare you out It may be they will before men but who shall plead for you before God except you repent Take heed you commend not that to be equall and holy which agreeth not with the wayes of God G. Powel I presently resolued to stand in the gap and breach between our brethren and vs. Answer This resolution upon bare commaundement of a man it may be also contrary to the likyng of some to whom you are more bound was too present to be sound How haue you stod in the gap breach By treading it down to make it lower that wild beasts or at the least strang cattell may the more easily break in to devoure the Lords vine and to eate up the Lords people as it were bread G. Powel Albeit I knew my brethrens affections to be somewhat unkind and their pens foule and shamefull Answer Whereby knew you their unkindnes and foulnes towards you Indeed they haue seene and dayly doe see your unkindnes towards them yea towards the Lord in oppossing your selfe to the Lords cause and to them in seeking therof and that in this bitter manner yea for the foulnes of your pen you might justly feare the like measure from them againe to you But God forbid that for that we should sinne against God and cease praying for you G. Powel Seeing it lyeth not in our powers to make them modest peacable and that we are called to serue God and his Church which we are bound to doe in good and evill report Answer You should first haue proved us immodest and unpeaceable before you had used these wordes God giue those graces to you and us The serving of God and of his Church is not in rayling reprochfull speaches in sharpnes and bitternes in untrue and unjust collections directly contrary to the words of our brethren But what meāe you by good and evell report If as patients it is well if as agents it is not so But though by your booke I haue little cause yet I will take you in the better sence G. Powel I pray our heavenly Father to forgiue them any injury etc. Answer Before prayers you should lay aside all wrath of heart and bitternes of word Math. 5.22 1 Tim. 2.8 Pray also sor the forgivnes of the wrongs you doe to vs both in this booke and also in your latine treatise De adiaphoris I haue not with drawne my selfe from this worke Gab. Powel no not for the estimatiō reverence I haue of the graue judgments of your honors If you had duely reverenced their Honors Answ you would haue feared the offering vnto them such a present of raylings vnjust collections etc. As if they had been voyd of judgement not able to discerne of such accusations G. Powel I mayntaine here the glory of God and honor of our Prelats Answer As our Saviour said They shall excommunicate you yea the time shall come that whosoever killeth you shall thinke that he doth God service Ioh. 16.2 So this answerer thinketh that he glorifieth God by rayling on his cause servāts As for the Honor of our Prelats you should first haue been on a sure ground for the lawfulnes thereof before you had taken upon you like a champion the defence thereof 2. Even a good cause is rather overthrowne then vpheld by such meanes of scoffing and rayling as in this this booke you haue vsed Thus much for the answer to the Preface of M. Powels THE NEXT THING TO BE CONSIDERED is his marginall Notes vpon the preface of the author The first note with a I passe by G. Powel b This pretense unto the Christian reader is because they would not seeme to be petitioners unto the Parliament Answer What a strange collection is this Haue we expresly directed all the said argumēts vnto the Parliament house and yet would we not seeme to be petitioners unto thē Nay rather sith this answerer thus carpeth at these words the Christian reader M. Powell maketh the Parliament no christian assembly gatthering from the humble petition of the Author of those Argumentes to the Christian Reader etc. that he would not seeme to be Petitioner to the Parliment may not this be better gathered that the answerer distinguisheth the christian readers from the Parliament and the Parliament from them and so maketh the Parliament no christian assembly But why did the author use those wordes the christian reader The reason seemeth double 1 because he did so account of every one in the Parliament house 2 because he thought that those arguments might come to the handes of other Christian readers then onely of Parliament men G. Powel c The supplicants make the profession of the gospell and all religion to consist in refusing cap surplice crosse etc. Great cry litle wooll Answer This etc. After the word crosse is well added For otherwise although we hold those things to be matters of religion yet never any of us did affirme all religion to cōsist in thē without this etc. therfore this is an unchristian slaunder and to speake according to the answerers learning in Aristotles Eleuchs a fallacy ab eo quod est secundum quid ad id quod est simpliciter The adage in the end of this note is too homely for that Honorable Court to whom the answerer speaketh as being taken from swyne