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A13168 The examination of M. Thomas Cartvvrights late apologie wherein his vaine and vniust challenge concerning certaine supposed slanders pretended to haue bene published in print against him, is answere and refuted, By Matthevv Sutcliffe. Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. 1596 (1596) STC 23463; ESTC S120443 107,902 121

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