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A48308 Defensive doubts, hopes, and reasons, for refusall of the oath, imposed by the sixth canon of the late synod with important considerations, both for the penning and publishing of them at this time / by John Ley ... ; hereunto is added by the same author, a letter against the erection of an altar, written above five yeares agoe, and a case of conscience, touching the receiving of the sacrament, resolved. Ley, John, 1583-1662. 1641 (1641) Wing L1874; ESTC R21343 93,675 154

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they_o we_o must_v hold_v as_o the_o 91._o the_o the_o l._n archbish_n that_o now_o be_v in_o his_o answ_n to_o a.c._n pag._n 91._o archbishop_n have_v very_o well_o say_v in_o his_o answer_n to_o the_o jesuit_n such_o a_o assistance_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o holy_a spirit_n the_o prophet_n under_o the_o old_a testament_n have_v and_o the_o apostle_n under_o the_o new_a as_o neither_o the_o high_a priest_n with_o his_o clergy_n in_o the_o old_a nor_o any_o company_n of_o prelate_n or_o priest_n in_o the_o new_a since_o the_o apostle_n ever_o have_v 5._o partic._n that_o though_o there_o shall_v be_v a_o alteration_n we_o shall_v never_o give_v our_o consent_n unto_o it_o the_o word_n of_o the_o oath_n nor_o will_v i_o ever_o give_v my_o consent_n etc._n etc._n of_o these_o word_n we_o have_v a_o double_a doubt_n the_o one_o doubt_n be_v why_o we_o shall_v swear_v against_o consent_n to_o alter_v the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n doubt_n 18._o particular_a doubt_n the_o reason_n 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