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against_o they_o but_o out_o of_o a_o jealouâ—ie_n from_o whence_o they_o proceed_v whether_o from_o charity_n which_o he_o will_v not_o believe_v or_o which_o be_v more_o likely_a perchance_o from_o a_o conceit_n of_o his_o weakness_n and_o ignorance_n whereby_o the_o answerer_n be_v afraid_a that_o he_o know_v not_o himself_o what_o he_o have_v to_o prove_v or_o how_o it_o may_v be_v prove_v 94_o reply_v pag._n 94_o which_o the_o jesuite_n for_o his_o ownsake_n be_v unwilling_a to_o acknowledge_v for_o say_v he_o though_o i_o confess_v myself_o to_o be_v the_o weak_a of_o a_o thousand_o yet_o have_v i_o no_o reason_n to_o think_v that_o he_o will_v any_o way_n support_v my_o weakness_n who_o have_v undertake_v to_o enter_v into_o 〈◊〉_d with_o i_o before_o such_o spectator_n â—â—_o in_o their_o view_n the_o â—east_n â—â—yle_n can_v be_v reâ—â—ived_v without_o a_o great_a disgrace_n abide_v disgrace_n abide_v here_o the_o jesuite_n manife_v his_o charity_n but_o declare_v no_o 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he_o 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o most_o leaâ—â—ed_a 〈◊〉_d câ—â—â—itie_n to_o himself_o or_o 〈◊〉_d towards_o the_o fatheâ—â—_n as_o â—â—_o please_v i_o be_o 〈◊〉_d â—e_n have_v say_v nothing_o here_o that_o may_v persuade_v we_o that_o he_o have_v swallow_v down_o all_o antiquity_n or_o that_o his_o knowledge_n be_v so_o great_a that_o from_o the_o answer_v learned_a 〈◊〉_d he_o may_v not_o receive_v instruction_n but_o the_o jesuite_n 〈◊〉_d know_v that_o these_o be_v not_o the_o reason_n that_o move_v he_o to_o persuade_v the_o obsâ—â—â—ation_n of_o these_o rule_n but_o their_o desperate_a impudeâ—ciâ—s_n for_o who_o know_v not_o that_o they_o can_v pretend_v father_n for_o their_o cause_n that_o hold_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o by_o devise_v a_o 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d make_v they_o their_o friend_n when_o they_o be_v urge_v against_o they_o and_o also_o make_v that_o faith_n which_o be_v not_o in_o the_o father_n creed_n neither_o find_v in_o any_o of_o their_o exposition_n upon_o the_o same_o this_o be_v the_o reason_n of_o give_v these_o câ—â—tions_n because_o they_o use_v the_o father_n to_o blind_a not_o to_o manifest_v the_o truth_n of_o the_o ancient_a â—aith_n &_o therefore_o the_o jesuite_n may_v see_v how_o â—ond_a his_o imagination_n be_v &_o how_o poor_a hâ—â—_n conceit_n but_o the_o jesuit_n see_v the_o roman_a faith_n to_o be_v such_o that_o he_o dare_v not_o undertake_v to_o prove_v it_o but_o bysome_a few_o and_o that_o not_o as_o point_v 〈◊〉_d but_o as_o point_n hold_v by_o they_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o presumption_n as_o if_o in_o antiquity_n there_o be_v not_o a_o 〈◊〉_d betwixt_o their_o creed_n with_o the_o point_n therein_o &_o other_o remote_a deduction_n from_o the_o same_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d from_o hence_o be_v the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d whether_o this_o 〈…〉_o which_o the_o 〈…〉_o of_o father_n now_o he_o will_v give_v 〈…〉_o wherefore_o he_o 〈◊〉_d these_o 〈◊〉_d and_o the_o 〈◊〉_d be_v he_o 〈…〉_o any_o purpose_n for_o first_o he_o confess_v it_o 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what_o fetch_v they_o use_v to_o drag_v the_o people_n to_o their_o opinion_n so_o they_o may_v sway_v in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o tyrannize_v with_o their_o antichristian_a sceptre_n over_o the_o kingdom_n of_o saint_n the_o jesuite_n before_o he_o leave_v off_o will_v fain_o say_v something_o for_o himself_o and_o cause_n as_o first_o that_o wheresoever_o the_o father_n do_v profess_v they_o in_o their_o work_n they_o never_o tell_v he_o that_o they_o hold_v they_o for_o opinion_n rather_o than_o for_o point_n of_o faith_n 95_o faith_n reply_v pag._n 95_o which_o we_o acknowledge_v for_o indeed_o there_o be_v no_o such_o profession_n in_o the_o father_n yet_o i_o think_v and_o upon_o good_a ground_n if_o they_o have_v know_v of_o any_o such_o fundamental_a point_n some_o will_v have_v declare_v they_o to_o the_o church_n second_o he_o confess_v that_o some_o of_o the_o say_a point_n be_v not_o declare_v by_o the_o church_n in_o former_a age_n to_o be_v necessary_a and_o chief_a article_n of_o faith_n and_o religion_n yet_o they_o be_v ever_o belong_v to_o the_o substance_n of_o faith_n from_o the_o beginning_n and_o without_o doubt_n be_v hold_v for_o such_o at_o least_o implicit_o and_o virtual_o by_o the_o holy_a father_n howsoever_o our_o answerer_n upon_o no_o better_a ground_n than_o his_o divine_a humour_n do_v give_v out_o the_o contrary_n 9â—_n contrary_n reply_v pag._n 9â—_n sure_o it_o can_v not_o be_v faith_n at_o any_o time_n if_o not_o then_o for_o to_o the_o church_n long_o before_o be_v declare_v the_o whole_a counsel_n of_o god_n so_o that_o indeed_o it_o may_v be_v of_o the_o popish_a faith_n which_o may_v be_v declare_v 1500._o year_n after_o christ_n but_o not_o that_o of_o the_o ancient_a church_n which_o be_v once_o deliver_v to_o the_o saint_n and_o if_o the_o jesuite_n will_v have_v that_o of_o the_o foundation_n which_o be_v never_o so_o declare_v or_o repute_v till_o our_o last_o time_n let_v he_o prove_v ex_fw-la re_fw-mi â—atâ—_n that_o it_o be_v so_o and_o not_o think_v himself_o able_a by_o his_o without_o doubt_n to_o persuade_v we_o that_o the_o father_n hold_v those_o point_n virtual_o and_o implicit_o â—â—_o belong_v to_o the_o substance_n of_o faith_n and_o then_o he_o do_v something_o for_o if_o the_o bare_a act_n of_o declaration_n may_v make_v a_o article_n of_o faith_n the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n with_o his_o â—â—â—ncell_n may_v make_v we_o a_o other_o belief_n and_o turn_v christianity_n into_o a_o new_a mould_n a_o thing_n much_o desire_v if_o more_o than_o probable_a ground_n do_v not_o deceive_v we_o but_o if_o these_o point_n be_v decree_v in_o aftertime_n from_o some_o inward_a and_o virtual_a substance_n of_o faith_n which_o be_v inherent_a in_o they_o let_v he_o declare_v it_o and_o by_o some_o mean_n or_o other_o help_v our_o eye-fight_a that_o can_v perceive_v no_o such_o thing_n in_o the_o point_n here_o mention_v and_o whereas_o the_o wizard_n think_v every_o man_n of_o his_o own_o profession_n he_o be_v deceive_v his_o conjecture_n be_v far_o from_o the_o ground_n that_o be_v follow_v by_o the_o most_o learned_a answerer_n and_o how_o far_o it_o be_v from_o divine_a to_o express_v a_o truth_n any_o will_v apprehend_v that_o know_v that_o divine_a have_v relation_n to_o thing_n to_o come_v and_o not_o to_o thing_n past_a but_o what_o he_o promise_v in_o the_o next_o chapter_n we_o will_v examine_v whereby_o i_o think_v we_o may_v come_v to_o more_o perfect_a knowledge_n of_o their_o catholic_a frâ—â—des_n though_o not_o of_o their_o 〈◊〉_d as_o he_o will_v persuade_v sect_n xii_o the_o jesuite_n have_v travail_v in_o the_o defence_n of_o certain_a point_n from_o the_o father_n testimony_n that_o be_v not_o of_o the_o foundation_n of_o faith_n and_o fear_v to_o be_v censure_v by_o lyrinensis_n who_o say_v that_o the_o aunciâ—â—t_a consent_n of_o the_o holy_a father_n be_v with_o great_a care_n to_o be_v sâ—ught_v and_o follow_v by_o we_o not_o in_o every_o petty_a question_n belong_v to_o the_o law_n of_o god_n but_o one_o 〈◊〉_d at_o least_o principal_o in_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n 26._o faith_n see_v the_o testimony_n urge_v by_o the_o most_o reverend_a the_o lord_n primate_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o the_o jesuite_n challenge_v pag._n 26._o do_v in_o this_o section_n inquire_v hâ—â—â—_n a_o point_n of_o faith_n may_v be_v discern_v from_o a_o indifferent_a opinion_n in_o religion_n 96._o religion_n reply_v p._n 96._o and_o declare_v the_o reason_n of_o his_o so_o do_v forasmuch_o say_v he_o â—â—_o our_o answerer_n affirm_v that_o all_o the_o point_n by_o i_o lay_v down_o in_o my_o demand_n be_v not_o chief_a article_n i_o think_v it_o meet_v by_o this_o disputation_n to_o disproove_v he_o herein_o and_o to_o shâ—w_v that_o they_o be_v all_o such_o chief_a article_n of_o faith_n at_o the_o obstinate_a denial_n of_o any_o of_o they_o deprive_v a_o man_n of_o all_o true_a belief_n and_o make_v he_o a_o faithless_a heretic_n for_o performance_n whereof_o we_o be_v first_o to_o inquire_v which_o be_v the_o way_n or_o certain_a rule_n to_o know_v a_o article_n of_o faith_n from_o a_o indifferent_a opinion_n and_o that_o be_v find_v out_o by_o square_n the_o say_v point_n thereby_o we_o shall_v easy_o understand_v whether_o they_o be_v thief_n article_n yea_o or_o â—â—_o 96_o â—â—_o reply_v pag._n 96_o now_o in_o this_o passage_n the_o jesuite_n meet_v not_o at_o all_o with_o the_o most_o learned_a answerer_n observation_n for_o he_o deny_v all_o the_o point_v propound_v by_o the_o jesuite_n to_o be_v chief_a article_n in_o regard_n of_o those_o which_o be_v more_o necessary_a &_o fundamental_a which_o only_o be_v to_o be_v inquire_v of_o by_o consent_n of_o father_n in_o lirinensis_n his_o judgement_n â—_o judgement_n see_v above_o light_v â—_o and_o not_o because_o in_o their_o own_o nature_n they_o be_v indifferent_a for_o if_o he_o shall_v conceit_n they_o such_o why_o shall_v he_o style_v you_o heretic_n for_o 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