godlines and deuotion and whosoeuer hath obtayned these things cannot doubt of heauen which is onely prepared for people endued with such graces to which if wee add his excellent order of gouerment no propertie of the true Church is wantinge And yett the scruple of this Protestant Relator for those fyue things also shall be fully satisfied euen by himselfe and his fellowe Protestants that in them also as in the rest the Church of Rome mayntayneth the truthe and Protestants See part 2. cap. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. be in error as will appeare in the seconde parte of this worke in the chapters here cited Thirdly I argue thus No Church wantinge the supreame and byndeing authoritie ouer all others which their Bishop D. Bilson D. Feild D. Morton D. Sutcliffe c. affirme to be a generall cowncell can be the true Church of Christ and consequenly because there is of necessitie one true Church that which enioyeth it is the true Church of Christ But neither any Protestant or other Church besides the Church of Rome hath or can haue this supreame byndinge authoritie Therefore that onely is the true Churche of Christ The Maior proposition for the supreame bynding authoritie to be in the true Church is euidently true otherwise no controuersie could be decided nothinge in Religion warranted for truthe nothinge condemned for Heresie For where there is no such bindeinge and commaundeinge authoritie to be obeyed or resisted there can be no truth beleeued by authoritie nor any obstinate resistance vnto it which as D. Couell Mr. Ormerod and other Protestants Couell exam pag. 202. Ormer dial 2. c. Feild pag. 228. tell vs is required to heresie Now that this supreame bindinge authoritie is onely in a generall cowncell by these Protestants is testified by D. Feild in these words The supreame and binding authoritie is onely in Bishops in a Generall Cowncell So the Protestant Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson so D. Morton D. Bilson Suruey pag. 85. Mort. part 2. apolog pag. 340. Sutcliffe against D. Kell pag. 41. 4. 102. Protest Demonstrat cap. 2. c. Sutcliffe with others The seconde proposition is euidently of late demonstrated in the booke Intituled Protestants Demonstrations where manifest proofe is made by these Protestants themselues that they ar so farr from euer haueing a Generall Cowncell of Bishops that their English Protestants neither haue nor can haue true and lawfull Bishop Preist or Minister amonge them of their creation And if by impossibilitie they could haue Bishops yett that they cannot haue any such Cowncell is wittnessed by their Relator in these words which I haue also Relation c. 47. cited before The Protestants ar seuered bandes or rather scattered troopes eache draweinge dyvers way without any meanes to pacifie their quarrells to take vp their controuersies No Prince with any preeminence of Iurisdiction aboue the rest no Patriarcke one or more to haue a common superintendance or care of their Churches for correspondencie and vnitie no ordinary way to assemble a Generall Cowncell of their parte the onely hope remayninge to asswage their contentions And in their publick glosse vppon their booke of Articles they Rog. vppon the â—ooke of Articl in praefat acknowledge this thinge so vnpossible in their Religion that they could neuer with all meanes they made bringe to passe to haue any meeting of Protestants to come to vnitie amonge themselues but euery Protestant State and Contry hath a seuerall Confession or Profession in Religion As also those seuerall Confessions witnes Where wee see that it is a thinge so vnpossible for these meÌ„ to assemble a Generall Cowncell which they teach is to consist of all Professions that they cannot doe it for their owne poorte as the words ar nor haue any other meanes amonge them of Iurisdiction to decide controuersies when contrary wise of the Romane Churche hee speaketh Relat. sup cap. 47. in this maner in the same place The other haue the Pope as a common Father Aduiser and Conduâ—â—â—â— to them all to reconcile their Iarrs to appease their displeasures to decide their difference aboue all things to drawe their Religion by consent of Cowncells to vnitie Neither can any Protestant say that this is spoken of this Relator consideringe the present states of those Churches and is onely so in that meaneinge Obiect and not absolutely and generally true for it is both absolutely and generally true Answ and euen by the nature and doctrine it self of those Religions for the Romane Church mayntayneth for the Pope and hee for himself claimeth as Successor to S. Peter Superioritie and Commaundeinge Authoritie in the whole Christian Worlde in spirituall causes which no Prince Parlament Presbitery or other Regent amonge Protestants doth out of their owne temporall confines and Gouernment as is playnely sett downe in the Relators sentence and freely acknowledged by all Protestant writers My next Argument is this That which is a congregation of faithfull men in the which the pure worde of God is preached and the Sacraments duely ministred in all thinges requisite is the true Church of Christ But the Romane Churche is such Therefore it is the true Churche of Christ The Maior proposition consisteth of the Englishe Protestants definition of true Churche sett downe in the Articles of their Religion in these words The visible Articles of Relig. art 19. Churche of Christ is a Congregation of faithfull men in the which the pure worde of God is preached and the Sacraments be duely ministred accordeinge to Christs ordinance in all those things that of necessitie ar requisite to the same The seconde proposition supposeing their former doctrine onely requireing in the true Church points of essentiall fundamentall and necessary doctrines which is also expressed in this Article Relation of Relig. cap. 48. Couell def of Hock pag. 68 is proued before and further by these Protestants Their Relator writeth in these words The Romane Church still keepeth inuiolable the fowndation of Religion D. Couell writeth thus toucheinge the mayne points of Christian truthe they of the Church of Rome constantly persist in them Their Bishop D. Doue supposeing their Religion for true which Doue persuas pag. 11. they do or should holde writeth in this maner In fundamentall points of doctrine the greatest papists in the worlde agree with vs. Concerninge Sacraments hee alloweth that accordeinge to our definition which is more limited and saict then that of Protestants There be as many as wee teache which be seuen and this shall not breede any such I arre betweene vs Doue sup pag. 27. 28. that therefore wee shoulde refuse to communicate together Which no man in conscience can say if hee supposeth vs to be in error For his owne words be these This proposition is vndoubtedly true no Heretiks nor Schismaticks ar to be communicated with all And to giue all contentment euen to those Protestants which doe not allowe their owne Articles in this doctrine of the
The Maior or first proposition is euidently true otherwise God hath bownde man to followe and embrace heresie or error of necessitie hee must bee damned without all hope of saluation except heresie false opinions error or infidelitie could bringe to heauen which is against the holy Scriptures true Religion which by no possibilitie can either bee vntrue or vncertayne being reueled by God himselfe and against the light of reason it selfe that men vnder penaltie of damnation should bee tyed to bee obedient to that sentence for obedience whereof they were likewise assured to bee damned which is to accuse God moste mercifull of the greatest Tyranny The Minor or second proposition is proued and the first also in this words of D. Feild D. Feild epist dedicat before hiâ— bookes of the Churche There is no parte of heauenly doctrine more necessarie in this dayes of so many intricate controuersies of Religion then diligently to searche out which amonge all the socities of men in the worlde is that blessed companie of holy ones that housthold of faithe that spouse of Christ and Church of the liueing God which is the piller and grownde of truthe That see they may embrace her communion followe her directions and rest in her Iudgment Hitherto the wordes of this Protestant Doctor by which is euidently concluded the moste certayne truthe of those two Propositions in the Argument before But to auoyde all friuolous obiections and distinctions of these men concerninge the Church generall particular triuÌ„phant militant c. Hee playnely affirmeth that this supreame and infallible iudge is the present militant Church in tymes of controuersies as is demonstrated by this his words Which amonge all the societies of men in the worlde is that blessed companie of holy ones c. Where his words societies of men and in the worlde are manifest testimonie that hee assigneth the present militant Church on earthe and no other to haue this supreame and infallible authoritie and Iudgment to decide controuersies which is alsoe proued by all the rest of the Protestant citations in this chapter hereafter And if their words were not so cleare that they cannot bee wrested otherwise yett the Question it selfe doth make it manifest for all the faithfull people that euer were and be now in many thowsands deceased out of this life cannot now be assembled in a Cowncell to giue sentence And much lesse can they that are not yett borne be so gathered together to pronownce Iudgment and yett all this belonge vnto and ar or shall bee members of the vniuersall Churche further this is conuinced by his cited words That householde of faith which cannot bee possibly ment but onely of the militant Church For in the triumphant Church seeing God in himselfe and truely and perfectly knoweinge without beleefe all sacred misteries faith as the Apostle saith is euacuated in them and turned into knowledge and as for those that ar not yett borne though hereafter in their time ordayned they at truely to beleeue yett now they neither haue faith nor knowledge of any thinge nor any other qualitie or any being at all Thirdly this is euident also in his laste words Embrace her communion followe her directions and rest in her Iudgment Which Protestants will not and cannot meane of the triumphant Churche and by no possibilitie can either bee vnderstoode or verefied of the true beleeuers to come hereafter and not yett produced into this life for this as yett haueing no essence or beeinge for themselues can haue no communion giue no directions nor pronownce Iudgment for vs now extant to embrace and followe And this is inuincibly further proued in the Arguments followeinge Therefore secondely I argue thus That which hath Authoritie in controuersies of Religion to define what is true and good to ouerrule all inferiour and particular Iudgments and bynde all men to beleeue and embrace the definitions thereof must needs bee of Infallible Iudgment and haue the supreame and highest power to commaunde and no man to disobey yt But the true Churche of Christ is such Therefore it hath Infallible Iudgment the highest power on earth and may not bee disobeyed but in all thinges to bee obeyed by all people The maior proposition is euidently true for Authoritie is to bee obeyed by all subiects otherwise it were not authoritie And there were non to commaunde non to bee obedient And definitions in matters of faithe as they must bee moste certayne vndoubted and infallible as euery article of faithe is and of necessitie must needs bee So they ar as firmely to bee beleeued and professed except wee will bee Hereticks and obstinately incur damnation The seconde proposition is thus proued by D. Couell who writeth of the Church in this Couell def of hooke pag. 30. wordes That whiâ—h by her ecclesiasticall authoritie shee shall probably thinke and define to bee true or good must in congruitie of reason ouer rule all other inferiour Iudgments whatsoeuer And to them that out of a singularitie of their owne aske vs why wee thus hange our Iudgments on the Churches sleeue wee answere with Sâ—lonion â—wo ar better then one For euen in matters of lesse moment it was neuer thought safe to neglect the Iudgment of manye and rashlie to followe the fancye and opinion of some fewe Hitherto this Protestant doctor directly proueinge the second proposition for which hee is cited which also is confirmed by the Arguments followinge Thirdly I argue thus whatsoeuer hath authoritie from Christ to approue the scriptures to bee a speciall grownde in the matter of scriptures to publishe and commaund to her children in Matters of Religion is the higest Iudge and of Infallible Iudgment But the true Churche of Christ is such Therefore it is the highest Iudge and infallible in Iudgment The Maior proposition is euidently proued and confessed before and of all men cannot bee excepted against by Protestants commonly attributeing the highest and consequently infallible Iudgement to the scriptures for if they haue their allowance and Infallibilitie soe much as belongeth vnto vs and our knowledge from the authoritie and approbation of the Churche The Church so giueing them allowance and warrant of Infallibilitie must needs bee as much or more Infallible at leaste concerninge vs in which maner wee dispute accordeinge to that Rule of Logicke Propter quod vnumquodque tale illud magis That which is the cause why any thinge is so is rather so it self Which is euident thus in this case For if the scriptures so much as appertayneth to our knowledge haue not approbation and Infallibilitie of truthe but at they at approued and published for such by the Churche This Church which so giueth them such allowance and warrant of Infallibilitie must needs likewise bee infallible which thoughe it needeth not confirmation being iustified by a Maxime in the light of nature may yett for Protestants bee further made manifest by the Protestant Author of the Assertion who to proue the ministery of
is infallible otherwise the whole Church might erre which D. Feild Feild pag. 203. l. 4. cap. 5. with priuiledge denyeth in these words Wee thinke that particular men and Churches may erre damnably because not withstanding others may worship God arright but that the whole Church at one time cannot so erre for that the Church should cease vtterly for a time and so not be Catholicke beinge not at all times and Christ should some times be without a Church Therefore the Vniuersitie of Cambridge by warrant from our Kinge alloweinge the one and D. Feild with publicke applause in the name of all English Protestants as his words wee thinke ar wittnes attesting the other and all English Protestants before assureing vs that they and all their Churches doe or may thus erre they cannot haue or be this true Church of Christ And because there is no other in any probable Iudgment left to be free from such damnable erring but the Romane Church because there reason telleth vs the Church cannot cease but be Catholick in all times and Christ cannot be without a Church This externall and Infallible Iudge is in the Romane Church and that this freed from damnable error is the true Church of Christ but of this in the next chapter CHAPTER II. WHEREIN DEMONSTRAtion is made by these English Protestant Doctors themselues writing or allowed as before synce the begynninge of Kinge IAMES his Raigne in England that the Romane Church is the true Church of Christ NOw it will be no difficult thinge to proue euen by this Protestants themselues that the Romane Churche that I meane which submitteth it selfe to the Iurisdiction of the Pope of Rome as the vicar of Christ Successor to S. Peter and supreame heade thereof is the true Churche of Christ for being generally graunted by Protestants that either their conuenticle and congregation or the Church of Rome is the true Church of God and their clayme and title thus shamefully by them selues excluded and ouerthowne it must needs follow by iust consequence that the Romane Church is that blessed companie of holy ones howshold of faith spouse of Christ and Church of the liueinge God priuiledged with such Immunities and commaunding power as is declared and by English Protestants ascribed to the true Church in the former chapter whereupon the ProtestaÌ„t offerres of conference speake of themselues and Offer of conference pag. 16. their cause in these words If the ministers bee inâ—â—â—or they protest to all the worlde that the Pope and the Churche of Rome and in them God and Christ Iesus himself haue had greate wronge and Inâ—ignitie offered vnto them in that they ar reiected and that all the Protestant Churches ar Scismatiâ—all in forsakeinge vnitie and communion with them And a little before speakinge of some positions Offer sup pag. 11. amonge them offered then to bee disputed They write in these termes diuers of the propositions ar suche that if the ministers should not constantly holde and mayntaine the same against all men they cannot see how possibly by the Rules of diuinitie the seperation of our Churches from the Churche of Rome and from the Pope the supreame heade thereof can bee iustified But to mâ—ke particular and direct probation of the is Catholicke doctrine by these Protestants I argue thus from their owne diuinitie in the 2. Article of their Religion of Articles of Relig. articul 12. artic 19. the necessarie and vnseparable by them vnion of faith and good workes and their definition of the true Church in their 19. Article subscribed vnto by all English Ministers and it is in this maner Whatsoeuer Church hath in great multitude men vertuous learned fraught with the loue of God and the truthe aboue all thinges men of memorable Integritie of hart and affections preachinge much both of faith and pietie with wonderfull zeale and spirit That must needs be the true Church of Christ But the present Church of Rome is such Therefore it is the true Church of Christ The first proposition is euidently deduced from those two Articles of their Religion and cannot be denyed The Minor proposition consisteth of the expresse words of their Protestant Relator of the Relation of the state of Religion â—ap 48. state of Religion and so nothing remayneth to be further proued My second Argument is thus framed where The outwarde state and glorie of the seruice doth engender quicken encrease and norish inward reuerence respect and deuotion which is due vnto soueraigne Maiestie and power Where deedes of charitie be exceedinge the life of some of their Religions incomparable in seueritie where there is excellent order of gouernment singular helps for encrease of godlines and deuotion and profiting of vertue That is the true Church of Christ But the present Church of Rome is such Therefore it is the true Church of Christ The Maior proposition is manifestly true by Protestants in their Article of the Church in these words the visible Church of Articul 19. sup Christ is a congregation of faithfull men in which the pure word of God is preached c. in all those things that of necessitie ar requisite to the same All which ar conteyned in the first proposition The seconde is their owne expresse words Relation of the state of Religion c. 9. c. 22. c. 26. c. 48. written and published of the present Romane Churche by their Relator of Religion for confirmation of bothe which Arguments the same Protestant Author not ignorant of so many differences in Religion betweene the Romane Church and them persuading an vnion betweene them onely requireth Catholicks to giue ouer fyue things all dispensable and not any Relat. c. 48. one of them essentiall as hee teacheth Which is as greate testimonie as a true Protestant can giue to the true Church for their common doctrine to defend their manifest errors is this that the true Church may er in matters not essentiall and fundamentall The words of D. Willet Willet Antil-pagâ— 43. Art 19. Feild of the Church Sutcl against D. Kell Dâ—â—â— persuas Wotton pag. 28. Middles p. 201. Powell consid at these to errors of doctrine which ar not fundamentall euen the true Church of Christ is subiect So their booke of Articles of Religion so D. Feild ordinarily in his bookes of the Church so D. Sutcliffe D. Doue one of their Bishops Mr. Wotton Mr. Middleton Mr. Powell and all the rest that made Protestants and Puritans but one Church do and must acknowledge And the benefites which this Protestant Relator assureth his brethren to fynde by vnion with the Romane Church hee setteth downe in these termes they shall finde excellent order of gouernment singuler Relat. sup helpes for encrease of godlines and deuotion for the conquering of sinne for the profiting of vertue Which be all the happines that the true Churche can giue or man enioy in this life For all our combate is to conquer sinne to haue vertue
authoritie in such cases is priuate Therefore no Protestant Interpretation is binding or Iuridicall The Maior proposition is thus proued by D. Feild Feild l. 4. c. 19. pag. 235. in these wordes Wee confesse that neither conference of places nor consideration of the antecedeÌ„tia and consequentia nor lookinge into the originalls are of any force vnlesse wee fynde the thingâ— which wee conceaue to be vnderstoode and ment in the places interpreted to be consonant to the Rule of faithe And hee writeth thus againe priuate Interpretation Feild pag. 226. is not so proposed and vrged as if they would binde all others to receaue it The Minor proposition That all Protestant expositions in respect of a bindeing and Iuridicall power are priuate is thus proued by this Protestant Argument No Interpretation or Interpreters wanteing Iurisdiction and authoritie to commaunde their Interpretations and expositions in matters of faith to be beleued as suche is to be accompted byndeing and Iuridicall But all English Protestant Interpretations expositions and definitions by their owne Iudgment want this bindeing and commaundeing authoritie in matters of faithe Therefore they are not Iuridicall and byndeinge to be beleeued The Maior is euidently true for where there is not power and authoritie in things those things cannot be rightly and iuridically commaunded or bindeing men to doe or beleeue them The Minor proposition is proued by D. Feild in these wordes As before wee made Feild pag. 228. three kinds of Iudgment the one of discretion Common to all the other of direction Common to the Pastors of the Churche and a third of Iurisdiction proper to them that haue supreame power in the Church So likewise wee make three kindes of Interpretation the first priuate the seconde of publickâ— direction and so the Pastors of the Church may publickly propose what they conceaue of it And the third of Iurisdiction and so they that haue supreame power that is in the Bishops assembled in a generall Councell may interpreate the scripture and by their authoritie suppresse all them that shall gaynesay such Interpretations and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determinations as they consent vppon to excommunication and Censures of the like nature Hitherto D. Feilds wordes playnely declareing that in his Iudgment the Protestants neither haue nor can haue this Iuridicall and commaundeing Iudgment or Interpretation because as is proued by themselues before they neither haue had nor can haue any generall Councell in which alone he placeth this Iurisdiction and bindeing power For proposeing without authoritie which hee giueth there to Bishops is not Iuridicall and coactiue If hee shall answeare that in the first three hundred yeares there was no generall Councell and yet matters of Religion were decided and embraced hee condemneth himself and all Protestants in this busines for either hee must leaue that primatiue Church absolutely without Iurisdictâ—on and power which is moste absurde or leaue it to them that both truely claymed and vsed it the Popes of Rome as these Protestants haue before acknowledged And aboue all men D. Feild must be of that opinion for hee Feild pag. 202. hath written and allowed in this maner Wee must reuerence the authoritie of all Catholiâ—ke Doctors whose doctrine and writeings the Church alloweth wee must more regarde the authoritie of Catholicke Bishops more then these the authoritie of the Apostolicke Churches amongst them more especially the Church of Rome of a generall Councell more then all these Therefore by this Protestant Doctor in tyme when generall Councells cannot be the highest deciding and Iuridicall sentence and power is in the Church and Pope of Rome And by this hee is also preuented from sayinge that Protestants may commaunde such Interpretations and definitions within their owne temporall Territories for so they should not moste reuerence and respect next to a generall Councell the Church of Rome the next Iudge as hee hath written but quite the contrary their owne stubborne and disobedient wills which in such causes is Hereâ—icall or Scâ—maticall vsurpation and yet D. Feild in his diuision of Interpretations before assigneth no Iurisdiction at all to inferior Bishops to commaunde either in the whole Church or in Prouinciall in such cases Further I argue thus No opinions or Articles not grownded vppon the worde of God are to be beleeued or commaunded as matters of faith But all Protestants deductions and Interpretations in these controuersies are such not grownded vppon the word of God therefore not to be beleeued or commaunded as Articles of faith The Maior is the Common doctrine of Protestants The Minor is proued both before when Protestants haue depriued themselues of Councells Popes and all true proposers of the word of God tying themselues to their owne doctrines and deductions and is thus further confirmed by D. Couell in these wordes Couell def of Hook pag. 85. Doctrines deriued exhortations deducted Interpretations agreable are not the word of God Therefore the whole Religion of Protestants against Catholicks beinge thus fownded vppon so deceatefull a grounde as humanee deduction is cannot truely and Iuridically be commaunder Yet it is so manifest to all that their Religion consisteth wholly on their Imagined Interpretations and deductions that Mr. Wotton and Wottoâ— def of Perk. pag. 467. c. others are enforced absurdely to say that deduction from scripture maketh a matter of Faithe otherwiâ—e hee â—annot make any articlâ— of faith to be in their doctrine against vs. And D. Feild himself so resolute before against these priuate Interpretations and expositions seemeth to be of the same minde to defend their Religion in makeing such deductions to be matters of faith by euery priuate deduction his wordes be these Wee Feild pag 226. say that men not neglâ—cting that light of direction which the Churche yeeldeth noâ— other helps and meanes may be assured out of the nature of the things themselues the Conference of places the knowledg of tongues and the sutable correspondence that one parte of dyuine truth hath with an other that they haue sownde out the true meaneinge of it And by this assurednes hee seemeth to vnderstand assurednes of faith makeing their priuate deductions and Interpretations the worde of God as M. Wotton before cited doth in Wotton def of Perk. pag. 467. these wordes Wee acknowledge both and holde all matters concludeth Logically out of the scriptures to be the word of God as well as if they were expressely sett downe in it worde for worde Therefore I may lâ—wfully take it is a Common Protestant doctryne both Doctor Feild and M. Wotton speakeinge for their Protestants in the plurall number wee say wee acknowledge c. so that by their Religion M. Feilds or M. Wottons Logicke vaine and vncertayne deduction is of higher authoritie and more to be beleeued then any generall Councell or Articl of Relig. art 21. other externall Rule of Religion for all these by them as is presently to be proued may erre euen in
things appertayning vnto God but their priuate Interpretations and deductions suteing with their humour is the worde of God aswell as if it were sett downe in scripture worde for worde as M. Wotton hath told vs before My next Argument is this No people or professors of Religion freely acknowledgeing that all Rules in their Religion though their best approued and moste publicke to be moste reuerenced and respected be subiect to error may erre and haue erred in things belongeing to God are erroneous vnconstant variable often recant and correct their publicke proceedeings in such things can be saide to haue the true and Iuridicall exposition of scriptures otherwise there is a lawfull and true Iurisdiction and power to bynde them of their Religion both to errors in things against God and misbeleefe in this life and to eternall damnation the peneltie thereof in the next But the Protestants of England are in this Condition by their owne Iudgment Therefore they haue not the true and Iuridicall exposition and Interpretation of scriptures The Maior is proued before and directly by M. Wottons Wotton sup words all matters concluded logically out of the scriptures are the worde of God as well as if they were expressely sett downe in it word for word But the worde of God neither is nor can be erroneous to be recanted amended corrected c. therefore the Maior is moste certainely true by these men And the Minor also is proued by them in this order They haue graunted before that a general Councell is the highest Iudge And yet in publicke and subscribed Articles haue these Articl of Relig. art â—1 wordes Generall Councells may erre and sometime haue erred euen in things pertayning vnto God Wherefore thinges ordeyned by them as necessarie to saluation haue neither strength nor authoritie vnlesse it may be declared that they be taken out of holy scripture Therefore no certayne Interpretation with them for they haue assured vs Feild pag. 228. that a generall Councell may expownd scripture and by authoritie suppresse all them that gaynesay such Interpretations to excommunication and Censures of like nature and is by them the highest Iudge hath no more priuiledge but to erre and be examined and controlled by inferior for none is higher as before Reprouers and particular Interpreters amonge them whome as they haue also taught before wee are not bounde to beleeue but be so vile corrupt and erroneous as they haue confessed there is none amonge them to decide things in controuersie or define a truthe And least any man should absurdely say that their Conuocation Parlament or any other pretendeing superiotie among them in these matters should be better able to Iudge and interprett scriptures then Bishops assembled in a generall Councell Willet Antilog first D. Willet writeth thus In England the temporall prince is gouernour Ruler cheefe ouerseer praef Engl. pag. 71. 120. 150. 43. Pref. 19 the Reader in Antill and steward of the Church to whose Iudgment and redresse the reformation of Religion belongeth Yet hee addeth Neither hee nor their Church hath any priuiledge from error but playnely protesteth they must take out a new lesson and learne to reforme their erroneous conceites Which their Bishop D. Doue alloweth to haue beene their state from the first originall of their Doue persuas pag. 31. protestancie in England his wordes and graunt are these When the Massâ— was first putt downe Kinge Henry had his English liturgie and that was iudged absolute without exception but when Kinge Edwarde came to the Crowne that was condemned and an other in the place which Peter Martir and Bucer did approue as very consonant to Gods worde When Q. Elizâ—â—eth began heâ— Raigne the former was Iudged to be full of Imperfections and a new was deuised and allowed by the consent of the Cleargie but about the middle of her Raigne wee were weary of that booke and greate meanes haue beene wrought to abandon that and establishe an other wee doe at the leaste at euery chaunge of prince chaunge our booke of Common prayers wee be so wanton that wee know not what wee woulde haue Hitherto this Protestant Bishop of the publicke proceedings in their Religion And hee freely confesseth errors in all these their states and chaunges And this their flitting from error to error findeinge no Center or hope of settleing in truth hath so perplexed euen their best learned that a late Protestant writer amonge them hath these wordes The late Archbishoppe of Canterbury D. Whiteguist as is credibly reported Suruey of the B. of com prayer pag. 159. 160. tooke such a greife when their communion booke was to be amended discouered by these or like wordes good Lord when shall wee knowâ— what to trust vnto that hee presently fell into his palssy was curryed from the Court and dyed shortely after And D. Morton D. Couell M. Wotton Morton Apol. part 2. pag. 315. Couell ag Burg. pag. 75. 43. Wotton def pag. 42. c. M. Middleton and now the vniuersitie of Cambridge teacheth it is a generall position there is none in their Church whose Iudgment is Infallible Then I conclude their Interpretations be false and their Religion erroneous vncertayne and false for they haue graunted before that the worde of God which is Infallible moste certayne and vndoubted is the grounde of true Religion and euery article in it so fownded But these their highest and best sentences in Religion being so erroneous to be corrected fallible deceatfull c. must needs be the worde of lyeinge and deceatefull men or the wicked spiritt and in no wayes the holy Infallible and moste certayne word of God who can neither be deceaued in himself or deceaue others Further thus I argue whosoeuer teach not onely that the whole Christian world may erre in things pertayning to God but are bownde to receaue such errors vnder payne of excommunication and like Censures and yet teach this from scriptures cannot be said to haue their true Interpretation But the Protestants of England by their owne testimonie are in this state Therefore haue not this true Iuridicall Interpretation of scriptures The Maior proposition is euidently true for so God that is iust should ordayne Iurisdiction and power to bynde men to things vniust such as errors in Religion be and these Protestants though to excuse or alleuiate their owne Heresies they affirme that any particular Church or a generall Councell may erre in this maner yet they deny it of the whole Churche in which cause D. Feild pag. 203. l. 4. c. 5. Feild writeth in these wordes wee thinke that particular men and Churches may erre damnably because notwithstanding others may worship God aright but that the whole Churche at one time cannot so erre for that the Churche should cease vtterly for a time and so not be Catholicke being not at all times and Christ should sometimes be without a Church Thus it is euident by these Protestants for the wordes wee
Whitsontide was generally receaued as a Tradition deliuered by the Apostles then the times themselues not being either commaunded or directly exemplified in scripture must also be allowed by tradition And yet the Sabboth day in the old lawe which was abrogated by this tradition of the Sonday the Lords day as hee nameth it was so expressely commaunded by scripture that in order it is the third of the ten cheife commaundements and one of the first table belongeing to the worshipp of God Therefore a Tradition so powerable as to giue a ceaseinge to the expresse writteÌ„ worde lawe and commaundement of God must needs be of equall power And the Christians feaste of Easter likewise crosseing with and euacuateing the Pascha of the lawe written and without scripture onely by the prerogatiue of Tradition cannot be inferior especially seeing as before the Quartadecâ—mans denyers thereof were condemned as Hereticks by the primatiue Church for that cause And the like reason is of the feast of Whitesontide in the Church of Christ receaued by the same Rule of Easter onely by vnwritten tradition yet clearely abolisheinge and takeinge away the written lawe and word of God in that behalf Further I argue thus whatsoeuer is not a perfect and compleate Rule and Square in matters and questions of Religion without the help and dyrection of vnwritten traditions cannot be termed an absolute Rule in this kinde But the scripture and written worde of God by these Protestants is such Therefore by them no absolute and perfect Rule in matters of faithe The Maior is euidently true in the light of nature otherwise one and the same thinge in the same respect might be absolute and not absolute perfect and not perfect and two Contradictories might be true which is vnpossible The Minor proposition is thus proued by D. Feilde who speakeing of traditions Feild l. 4. cap. 20. pag. 239. vnwritten and yet allowed by him hath these wordes The third kinde of tradition is that forme of Christian doctrine and explication of the seuerall partes thereof which the first Christians receauing of the same Apostles that deliuered to them the scriptures commended to posterities This may rightly be named a tradition for that wee neede a playne and distinct explication of many things which are somewhat obscurely conteyned in the scripture Which is sufficient proofe that tradition vnwritten is the cause why many things are beleeued by faith grownded vppon tradition not written which the scriptures could neuer warrant vs to beleeue For things obscurely handled and not playnely and distinctly explicated which as hee saith is by tradition cannot be the formall obiect of faith by any possibilitie for seeing true certayne and vndoubted Reuelation from God euen by Protestants is the formall cause of beleeueinge things obscurely conteyned or taught cannot haue this priuiledge And yet by D. Feilds wordes many thinges be in this state without the assistance of tradition and yet firmely to be beleeued Therefore not the obscuritie in scripture but to vse his wordes a playne and distinet explication of many thinges by tradition receaued by the first Christians from the Apostles commended to posterities is the formall cause and reason of beleeueinge such verities Now to drawe to an end in this question of traditions D. Feild to his fowre before acknowledged kindes of traditions The holy scriptures the Creede of the Apostles the forme Feild pag. 238. l. 4. of Christian doctrine and explication of the seuerall parts thereof which the first Christians receaueinge of the same Apostles that deliuered to them the scriptures commended to posterities and the continued Feild pag. 239. practise of such thinges as neither are conteyned in the scripture expressely nor the example of such practise expressely there deliuered thoughe the growndes reasons and causes of the necessitie of such practise be there conteyned and the benefitt or good that followeth of it hee addeth the fift kinde in these wordes The fift kinde of traditions comprehendeth Feild supr pag. 239. such obseruations as in particulare are not commaunded in scripture nor the necessitie of them from thence concluded though in generall without limitation of times and other circumstances such things be there commaunded Of this sorte many thinke the obseruation of the lent faste to be the faste of the fourthe and the sixt dayes of the weeke and some other This supposed as also the Feild pag. 242. same Protestant Doctors Rules before to know true traditions the consent and doctrine of the Churche the moste renowned for learninge the constant Testimonie of the pastors of an Apostolicke Church amonge which next to generall Feild pag. 202. Councells bynding and commaunding all the Church of Rome is especially to be obeyed reuerenced and respected as moste priuiledged from error yt must needs be euident by these Protestants that Traditions whether deliuered in scripture to be deduced from them or to be receaued without scripture are to be adiudged for the Romane Churche for that before is proued by them to be the true Church of Christ the Pope of Rome to be the supreame commaunding Ruler in it that the scriptures receaued by it are Canonicall and the vndowbted worde of God and all true and Iuridicall expositions and deductions from them are onely for the doctrine of the same Churche of Rome And so their other grounted Rules of generall Councells and Learned Fathers to be handled in the next chapters doe also teach vnto vs the same doctrines by these Protestants for by their Iudgment they may not nor can proceede in such bâ—sines but by the holy scriptures and true expositions and deductions from them allreadie proued by these Protestants for the present Roman Church Therefore I conclude this question with this Arguments following Whatsoeuer doctrines in Religion generall Councells the highest binding and commaunding Rule and authoritie ouer all Christians in the Iudgment of Protestants haue defined by the Bishops and Fathers assembled in them in matters of Religion by traditions written or vnwritten are to be receaued and embraced of all But all or the cheefest Articles in question betweene Catholicks and Protestants are directly concluded by the grounte of these Protestants by the Councells and Bishops in them assembled at Nyce the seconde the greate Laterane Florence and Constance Basile cited and allowed for generall Councells by the Protestant Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson D. Willet D. Couell M. Bils Middlet papist â—9 119. 120. 124. 125. Willet synop cont 1. q. 7. Liniban ap Parkes and others in such maner as the present Church of Rome now teacheth Therefore they ought so to be receaued and embraced of all Christians bothe propositions are graunted before by these Protestants or in these citations Therefore nothinge remayneth to be proued in this Argument And because these Protestants Parkes pag. 137. 180. Couell def of Hook pag. 21. Parkes ag lymb pag. 176. Willet Antil pag. 178. c. Abbot ag Hill pag 38. 48. 49. 51.
Iude his Epistle Iosephus Pag. 79. 80. Origen Tertullian S. Augustine Beda Procopius Gazaeus and others that Enoch did write diâ—ine things And thus they add it is probable that Noah had seene and might preserue this booke For it is not likely that so exquisite knowledge as these men had was sodenly inuented and fownd out And entreating how the booke of the battailes Pag. 306. cap. 5. §. 7. with others of holy scriptures had beene lost thus they write it seemeth probable that such a booke as this there was and that the same should now be wantinge it is not straunge seeing so many other volumes filled with diuine discourse haue perished in the longe race of time or haue beene destroyed by the ignorant and malitious heathen Magistrate For the bookes of Henoch howsoeuer they haue beene in later ages corrupted and therefore now suspected are remembred in an Epistle of Thaddaeus and cited by Origen and by Tertullian That worke also of the Patriarke Abraham of formation which others bestowe on Rabbi Achiba is no where fownde The bookes remembred by Iosua c. 10. v. 13. and in the second of Samuel c. 1. v. 18. called the booke of Iasher or Iustorum is also loste The booke of Chozai concerninge Manasse remembred in the second of Chron. 33. v. 18. and 19. of this booke also lost Hierome conceyues that the Prophet Isay was the author The same mischaunce came aswell to the story of Salomon written by Ahia Silonites as to the bookes of Nathan the Prophet and to those of Ieedo the Seer remembred in the second of Chron. c. 9. v. 29. with these haue the bookes of Shemaiah and of Iddo remembred in the second of Chron. c. 12. v. 15. perished and that of Iohn the sonne of Hanain cited in the second of Chron. c. 20. v. 34. also that of Salomons which the Hebrues write Hiscirim of 5000 verses of which that part called Canticum Canticorum onely remaineth 1. Kings 4. 32. and with this diuers other of Salomons workes haue perished as his booke of the natures of trees plants beasts fishes c. 1. Kings 4. 33. with the rest remembred by Origen Iosephus Hierome Cedrenus Ciccus Aesculanus Picus Mirandula and others Of Pag. 307. these and other bookes many were consumed with the same fyer wherewith Nebuchadnessar burnt the temple of Hierusalem Hitherto this Protestant discourse of the necessitie of vnwritten traditions not onely before the scriptures were written but after so many bookes of holy scriptures dictated by the holy Ghost hauing vtterly perished Except wee will say which God forbid that God reuealed and published in holy scriptures so many needles and fruitelesse things or els so many necessary and diuine Reuelations haue alltogether beene loste and concealed from those that should beleeue and keepe them CHAPTER VIII WHERE THE HIGHEST supreame Iudiciall definitiue authoritie of generall Councells is both proued to be such by these Protestants To binde all Christians in matters of Religion to approue the doctrine of the Church of Rome and condemne protestancie THE next Question is concerninge generall Councells of what authoritie and commaunde they are in controuersies of Religion and whether the Doctrine of the present Churche of Rome or that of English Protestants is proued and confirmed by them in the sentence of these Protestants themselues Toucheinge their power and commaunding authoritie in these causes I argue thus Whatsoeuer in controuersies of Religion is the highest Iudge the onely remedie to redresse errors hath soueraigne authoritie is aboue others to be appealed vnto hath authoritie to interprete scriptures and to supresse all them that gaynesay such interpretation and subiect euery man disobeyeing suche determinations to excommunication and Censures of like Nature and aboue all other Iudgments is moste to be reuerenced and respected in the opinion of Protestants must also by them be allowed for the supreame highest and laste not to be appealed from Iudgment in this world in such questions But by the testimonie of these Englishe Protestants a generall Councell is of these preeminences in these matters Therefore by them the supreame moste bynding vncontroleable and Iudgment not to be appealed from or denyed by any The Maior proposition is euidently true for that which is supreame and highest cannot be Inferior vnto any neither that which hath commaunde and authoritie ouer all can possibly be vnder the controlement and correction of any none being left to be superior vnto it The Minor is proued by these Bilson Suru pag. 82. Morton part 2. Apol. pag. 340. l. 4. cap. 18. Relat. cap. 47. Protestants following The Protestant Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson hath these words The authoritie of generall Councells is moste holsome in the Church and hee citeth S. Augustine to that purpose D. Morton writeth thus Concilium publicum est summus Iudex a generall Councell is highest Iudge The Protestant Relator of Religion nameth it the onely remedie in such times of controuersies D. Sutcliffe hath Sutcliffe subu pag. 119. Sutcl ag D. Kell pag. 41. 42. 102. these wordes generall Councells haue soueraigne authoritie in externall gouernment And thus againe False it is that wee will admitt no Iudge but scriptures for wee appeale still to a lawfull genenerall Councell Wee holde all the Christian faith explaned in the sixe generall Councells D. Feild hath written thus Bishops assembled in a generall Feild pag. 228. Councell haue authoritie to Interprete scriptures and by their authoritie to suppresse all them that gaynesay such Interpretation and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determinations as they consent vppon to excommunication and censures of like nature And Feild l. 4. cap. 5. pag. 202. as before is cited alloweth this sentence Wee must reuerence and respect the authoritie of all Catholicke Doctors whose doctrine and writings the Church alloweth wee must more regarde the authoritie of Catholicke Bishops more then these the authoritie of the Apostolicke Churches amongst them more especially the Church of Rome of a generall Councell more then all these Now to proue that generall Councells thus allowed by these Protestants for the highest and irreuocable Iudgment cannot by their owne doctrine proue their Religion to be true and so consequently no Inferior authoritie Iustifie their cause I argue in this maner whosoeuer by publicke decree and constitution doe condemne generall Councelle of error and to be a fallible and deceatefull Rule in Matters of Religion and haue no other meanes to finde the truth cannot pretend their Religion to be infallibly true as matters of faith and reuealed of God are by such testimonies But the English Protestants are in this condition concerninge generall Councells Therefore their Religion neither is nor can by their owne proceedings be warranted and proued by them to be true The Maior proposition is euident for no Iudgment erroneous and fallible can possibly make any matter or question free from error and infallible otherwise a thinge might be effected and
caused without a cause The Minor proposition is manifestly proued by these Protestants in this order for they haue before condemned all other Rules which they haue of error as their parlement Kings Censure and all priuate Interpretations and made them subiect and controleable by generall Councells as hauing authoritie ouer all parsons D. Feilds wordes of allowance after hee had with others graunted generall Councells to be supreame bynding and commaunding all be these Wee must obey without scrupulous questioninge with all modestie of Feild pag. 202. minde and reuerence of bodye with all good allowance acceptation and repose in the wordes of them that teach vs vnlesse they teach vs any thinge which the authoritie of the higher and superior controlleth Immediately before hee had allowed the supreame and highest Iudgment to generall Councells and the next to the Pope and Church of Rome Then Protestants teacheing contrarie to superior and higher authoritie in the Pope are to be condemned by him But notwithstanding all this to make their cause desolate and demonstrate that their Religion hath no warrant of truth and Infallibilitie at all Thus they write of this highest Rule of generall Councells euen in their publick Articles of Religion Articles of Relig. art 21. generall Councells may erre and sometime haue erred euen in things pertayninge vnto God Wherefore things ordeyned by them as necessarie to saluation haue neither strength nor authoritie vnlesse it may be declared that they be taken out of holy scripture Therefore how truely or certainely soeuer generall Councells make decrees and definitions in matters of faith they giue no validitie to Protestant Religion if in themselues they should approue it for by their cited Article their ordination hath neither strength nor authoritie as it is the decree of the generall Councells but as it may be declared by a priuate Protestant writer Prince Parlament or Conuocation in their conceipt to be taken out of scripture and yet before they haue tolde vs a generall Councell commaundeth all all must submitt themselues vnto it and all other their Rules be erroneous and deceatefull Therefore by these Protestants neither generall Councell nor any other Rule assigned by them can by any possibilitie proue their Religion true Further I argue thus No societie people or professors of Religion which by their owne confession neither haue nor by their proceedings can hereafter haue or haue heretofore had any generall Councell or meanes to assemble and call it can in reason pretend it for their cause But the state of Protestants by their owne confession is such Therefore generall Councells cannot be pretended for them The Maior proposition is euidently true for esse and beinge must needs in all things goe before operari and workeinge by them For as by nature nothinge can be made of nothinge so that which wanteth being and is not can produce nothinge The Minor proposition is likewise manifestly true for neuer any Protestant nor altogether so much as clayme authoritie or Iurisdiction in this matter none amonge them pretending it further then their owne particular temporall dominions which all vnited together neuer like to be are farre to shorte and vnequall to make a Councell generall which they say excludeth none especially of the greate patriarkes of Rome Constantinople Alexandria and Antioche not one of them being for them but all with their whole precincts limitts subiects and ditions against them by their owne confession To this I add the Censure of their owne Protestant Relator in these wordes The Protestants Relation of Religion cap. 47. are seuered bandes or rather scattered troopes each drawing diuers way without any meanes to pacific their quarrells to take vpp their controuersies No Prince with any preeminence of Iurisdiction aboue the rest no Patriarke one or more to haue a Common superintendance of care of their Churches for correspondencie and vnitie no ordinary way to assemble a generall Councell of their part the onely hope remayninge euer to assuage their contentions And yet if they could haue meanes for such a meeteing of Protestants so few in number and weake in Iurisdiction by their owne graunte in regard of Catholicks and other Christian Kingdomes and prouinces different to them in Religion this would be farre from the leaste shewe and name of an vniuersall and generall Councell such as they allowe to Iudge and sentence in this busines Neither can these men now deny the necessitie of generall Councells hauing so much allowed them for supreame sentencer before and appealed to a generall Councell to be assembled Neither may they compare their so desolate estate with the primatiue Church of the first three hundred yeares for themselues haue graunted before that a supreame and commaunding binding power ouer all was not onely claymed but lawfully and iuridically exercised and executed by the Popes of Rome in those times in all partes of the Christian world and both power and authoritie to approue and reproue Councells was belongeing vnto them by publickly receaued Canon in those dayes And herevppon I argue in this maner that generall Councells are for the doctrine of the Church of Rome Whatsoeuer Church in the primatiue time of Christianitie was endowed with such priuiledges that euery thinge was voide that was done without the consent of the Bishop and Ruler of it and no Councell could be called without his allowance and at this present hath by the graunte of Protestants a common Father aduiser and conductor to end Iarrs displeasures differences to keepe Religion in vnitie by Councells when no other Church enioyeth these immunities must needs in all reason be sayde to be warranted and defended by generall Councells But the Church of Rome is by the graunte of Protestants in this Condition Therefore warranted and defended by generall Councells The first proposition is euidently true for hee that from the begynning had these prerogatiues to approue or disproue Confirme or inualidate Councells cannot be conceaued to haue ratified or confirmed any thinge against the immunities and Common receaued doctrine of that Church so exalted dignified and priuiledged aboue all others of the whole Christian worlde and against his owne supreame and eminent Authoritie The Minor proposition is thus proued first D. Couell sheweth that an hundred yeares before the Nycene Councell in the yeare of our Lorde 2â—5 when there was no Emperour Christian to call Councells as Protestants would pâ—rsuade the world they did and should the Pope of Rome had this prerogatiue to call Councells Therefore from the begynninge by preeminence of his See seing there had not beene either generall Councell or Emperour to giue it vnto him His wordes be these The synode of Rome called Couell ag the plea of the Innoc. pag. 110. by Cornelius Pope of Rome against Nonatus consisted of threescore Bishops and many others of the cleargie Where wee see Heresie condemned and â—â— that scarcetie of Bishops in those first dayes of Christianitie so greate in Councell assembled by the Popes authoritie
triall of Doctrine is not to be fetched from the opinions and examples of men And agayne It may not seeme straunge if superstition were crept into the Church before Constantines time M. Ormerod scoffeth Ormerod pict pag. 78. at the authoritie and testimonie of S. Anacletus Pope of Rome that liued in the Apostles time and was a glorious Martyr for Christ because hee proueth the supreamacie Middleton papistem pag. 200. of the See of Rome from the graunt of our Sauiour M. Middleton doth the like by Papias lyueing with the Apostles for the same doctrine M. Hull condemneth for like causes allmoste all the blessed Popes Hull Rom. pol. and Martyrs Bishops of Rome from S. Peter the Apostle with in the first foure hundred yeares as shall be cited hereafter D. Couell before hath stiled S. Augustine with Part. 2. cap. Ceremonies Wotton def of perk pag. 8. pag. 17. 9. 88. the greatest commendation of learninge yet M. Wotton writeth Wee neede not feare S. Augustine though against vs. Eusebius is to be reprehended There was want of modestie and truthe also in the treatise of Hierome against Vigilantius The auntieÌ„t Fathers spake more like philosophers then dyuines It is more then I knowe that Gregory is a Sainct The Author of the Epistle to the Philippians attributed to S. Ignatius is an vnfitt Iudge in Wotton sup pag. 118. 224. 422. 440. 462. controuersies of diuinitie Tertullians wittnesse is of small authoritie Damascen is not greately to be respected Oâ—igen is generally condemned Ignatius epistle to the Romanes approued by S. Hierome and Protestants also is a counterfaite Ignatius for Pag. 340 Pag. 387. Pag. 467. Pag. 494. Pag. 495. teaching meritt of good workes Ciprian is toe farre caryed away since hee ascribeth to almes daes the purgeing of sinne Irenaus Iudgement is little to be respected Tertullians testimonie is not worthe answeareinge Tertullian and Origen may be ioyned together Chrisostoms Rhetoricke is better then his Pag. 499. Logicke Hieroms authoritie in case of single life is not murch worth Those Christian Fathers which condemned Pag. 500. Iouinian as S. Augustine Ambrose Hierome c. delt vnchristianly with him The Pag. 519. Pag. 520. authoritie of the auntient writers Athanasius Augustine Hierome concludeinge a worke of perfection from those wordes of Christ goe sell all c. is Pag. 543. not to be admitted The authoritie of Clement of Alexandria and Augustine with the schoole Doctors is inferior to the Iewes Origen and Theodoret whome before hee preferreth before S. Pag. 545. 546. 584. 594. Augustine ouerthrowe their owne distinction Lactantius though hee were an auntient Christian yett in his verses of worshipping the Crosse hee sheweth himself liker a light Poet then a graue writer And as hee hath vsed all the learned Fathers of the primatiue Churche for teacheing the doctrine of the present Church of Rome so he exclameth as barbarously and vndutifully against all Christian Kings of this and other nations for the same cause his wordes be these The Wotton def of perk pag. 53. Ormer pict pag. 44. Kings of England and Scottland c. were Sathanes Souldiers when they were of the Popes Religion M. Ormerod disalloweth S. Leo because hee taught that God assisted the See of Rome in decres For the like reason D. Downame reiected the authoritie of many holy Popes and Martyrs of that Church in her best dayes when it was a Rule to all accordinge to his Maiesties Censure Down lib. 1. Antichr cap. 3. pag. 35. 36. because to vse his wordes Diuers Bishops of Rome before the time of Socrates the Historian contented to haue the primacie ouer all other Churches and that is the cheife scope of many of their epistles decretall Yet this was as our Kinge Conference at Hampt pag. 75. Perk. problem pag. 4. hath told vs when it was a Rule to all and when no man might seperate himself from the doctrine of that Churche M. Perkins hath written thus The Fathers haue spoken many things incommodiously of holy thinges The auncient Fathers did Pag. 93. 94. Pag. 105. Pag. 184. synne in the Inuocation of Saincts yea were guiltie of sacriledge such were Paulinus Fortunatus S. Leo S. Ephrem S. Fulgentius Petrus Damianus Prosper The auncient Fathers sometimes speake inconueniently of the Article of Iustification Some of the auntient Fathers as Tertullian and Cyprian are Montanists or at the leaste doe erre filthely for making Confirmation a Sacrament D. Sutcliffe Sutel subu pag. 5. Pag. 8. Pag. 9. Whoe before made so much shewe of reuerence to the Fathers writeth thus Metaphrastes is a lyeinge pedant writeinge more lyes then leaues Bede reporteth to many thinges by heareasy Ado is a fabulous writer The Historie of Kinge Lucius his conuersion testified by so many authorities Pag. 19. May well be parogoned with the tales of Kinge Arthure Sir Tristram and Lancelot Duâ—acke The Brittaynes haue cause to detest the memorie of Augustine That holy Sainct syrnamed the Apostle of our nation for conuertinge iâ— M. Ormerod is not onely at defiance with Ormer paganop pag. 44. all Fathers for teaching that Christ descended to comforte the Patriarkes and Fathers deade before him but compareth the Article and beleefe of Christs descending into Hell for such purpose to the fable of Hercules fayned to goe thither and fetche from thence Theseus Peâ—ithous and Cerberus the greate dogge of Hell with three heades as the poets Imagine M. Middleton Middleton papistom pag. 40. writeth thus The credit of men is but a sandy foundatiâ—n to builde vpon Meaninge the holy primatiue Fathers of the Church and scoffingly telling that greate Sainct and Pag. 27. Doctor S. Epiphanius that hee loste the booke of Pag. 45. the Apostles Constitutions out of his bosome which hee cited Haeres 45. hee addeth of him thus I must craue leaue to say of Epiphanius many assertions hee counted for Heresies which were not Heresies many assertions hee counted not Heresies which are Heresies And all this because hee condemneth diuers Protestant opinions of Heresie and iustifieth the doctrine of the Church of Rome against them Against S. Middleton sup pag. 49. Dionysius the Areopagite for teaching prayer for the deade hee scoffeth in this maner Denys his aunsweare is shortheeld readie to fall backe When S. Ambrose approueth Christs reall presence in the blessed Sacrament and Transsubstantiation hee writeth of him thus Pag. 61. Pag. 64. hee is gultie of presumptuous and desperate blasphemye At S. Chrisostome hee scoffeth and teacheth him how hee should speake because hee teacheth the doctrine of prayer for the deade And vseth this mocke against him callinge Pag. 66. sup it an apostolicall Tradition well might Chrysostome say the Apostles knew what profite redownded to the deade by prayer for them for himself knew not And thus in generall The Fathers sometime went beyonde the boundes of sobrietie in the doctrine Middlet sup Pag.
that they are malitious against it they shall deny it to be the true Church of Christ because in his Iudgment the true and essentiall definition of the true Church euer was and still is vnseperably annexed vnto it Concerning D. Mortons exception and limitation That the error and superstition doe proceede not from knowledge but from Ignorance is fully answeared by his owne fellowes in Religion before graunteinge that the Popes greatest Doctors and Princes of our Religion ar Saints and saued soules And to auoide ignorance or willfull erringe they haue written The Papists cry mamely in all Relation of Relig. cap. 29. places for triall by disputation And that English Protestants persecutions against vs ar thought to equall those of Nero and Dioclesian Which wee would not suffer if wee knew our selues in error willfull both to be afflicted in this and the world to come Besides D. Mortons limitation is ridiculous for error and superstition doe not proceede from knowledge as his fonde distinction surmiseth neither doth the state of knowledge or ignorance â—arye the essentiall necessary and fundamentall definition nature or essence of the Church being one and the same in that as in all other things in all estates and times The particular exceptions which hee taketh against the Innouation of some doctrines which hee contendeth to haue beene in the Romane Church first ar friuolous in this dispute none of them as hee confesseth being of any thinge essentiall and necessarie either to the true Church or saluation of which wee contend in this place Secondly they shall be all confuted in their proper places by these his owne brethren and present frends and contrymen in Religion Thirdly not to suspend my Readers Iudgment so longe Doctor Morton shall answeare and by a generall Morton Appeal lib. 4. cap. 30. pag. 573. 574. reason so much as this place will permitt confute himself in his owne obiection His words be these Protestants in oppugninge doctrines which they call new and not Catholicke ar so farre from sufferinge the limitation of the first 4â—0 yeares that they giue the Romanists the scope of the first 600. yeares S. Gregory liued within the first 600. yeares Hee addeth for himself and other Protestants as the Centuriarists and many more of our conuersion then in this Morton lib. 1. cap. â— pag. 60. supr maner Pagan and Heathnish people by the light of the ghospell throughe the Ministerie of Austen the legate of S. Gregory were brought vnto the folde of Christ And therefore our Authors called iâ— a gratious conuersion And yett that this light Ghospell fold of Christ and gratiuâ— conuersion to which they were conuerted was as they now scoffingly terme our Catholicke Romane Religion Romanisme Papisme Papistry superstitions Ceremonies and the like by which they expresse the full state of our Religion is thus testified by D. Mortons Protestant Authors and wittnesses The wordes of his Centuriarists be these Augustinus Romanus ordinis Centuriator CeÌ„tur 6. An. 1â—82 pag. 747. 748. Benedicti Monachuâ— Ã Gregorio Papa Anno Domini 582. Augustine a Romane a Monke of the order of Benedict was sent from Gregory the Pope in the yeare of our Lord 582. into England to wyn it to the Pope of Rome and to make it subiect to his superstitious Iurisdiction Enterin into the Kentish Isle named Tenet in the yeare of our Lord 596. hee endued Kinge Edelbert and his superstitious Wife in the Romane Religion Yett with that condition that this Popish worship should be free and not compelled After calling a councell hee obtruded the Romish Rites and customes to those Churches that it to say Altares Vestments Images Masses Chalices Crosses Candlesticks Censors Banners sacred vessels holy water thee bookes of the Romane Ceremonies Oblations Processions Pompes Tithes and the like When hee had subiected the brittane Churches to the Antichrist of Rome Romano Antichristo subiecisset hee dyed Thus wee see by D. Morton his greately reuerenced Col. 749. and esteemed frends and fellowes in Religion that the state of the Romane Church in that his allowed time was the same that it is at this present And not onely his Centuriarists but other Protestants by his owne Relation ar wittnesses Morton App. lib. 1. cap. 3. Willet de August mon. Morton supr pag. 67. l. 1. cap. 6. Centuriat centur 7. col 559. in this cause Doctor Humfrey as hee acknowledgeth saith that Gregory brought in on us ceremoniarum a burthen of Ceremonies D. Willet saith hee brought in Popery Luke Osiander and his before cited frends call that Religion ceremonias papisticas papisticall ceremonies And to vse their words Ceremonias papisticas instituturi propagaturi quod Beda vocat aliquos Christo praedicando acquirere to teach and publish papisticall ceremonies which Bede that glorie of our nation calleth to gett some to Christ by preachinge Mr. Bale an other of his frends Ioan. Bal. l. de script Brit. centur 1. in August pag. 34. fol. 3 5. and Authors hath these wordes Augustine was sent Apostle from Gregorie to instruct the English Saxons in the papisticall faith papistica fide initiandos And againe Kinge Ethelbert being conuerted receaued Romanisme with the superstitions adioyned Romanismum cum adiunctis superstitionibus suscepit Augustine brought in Alâ—â—rs Vestments sacred Vessels Relicts and bookes of Câ—â—â—monies all which Gregory had sent vnto him with the blessinge of Peter And that these with the rest of our sacred câ—remonies which they call the body of popery were not then newly Inuented but vsed in the Church of Rome when his maiestie saithe it was a Rule to all K. Speach both in faith and ceremonies shall be testified and proued hereafter in the proper question of such things by D. Morton himself and too many others of his now English Protestant confederates in Religion to be without manifest impudencie to be denyed Therefore by these Protestants The present Romane Church must be allowed to be the true Church of Christ And all their former Inuectiues against it and their departeing from it by their owne Iudgments must be recanted CHAPTER III. WHEREIN IS PROVED BY these Protestants that the Pope of Rome euer was and now lawfully is and ought so to be esteemed the supreame pastor and heade on earth of the whole Church of Christ of his sentence and Authoritie FROM hence it is euidently proued That the Pope of Rome is supreame heade of the true Church of Christ for seeing these Protestants haue tolde vs that true Regiment and discipline is a note of the true Church of Christ and thus it appeareth that the Church of Rome is this true Churehe and hath this note of true Regiment the supreame bindeing and commaundinge Authoritie of the Pope being the cheefest of that gouernment is therein concluded Likewise it so followeth by their note of true doctrine wherein they haue graunted the Church of Rome constantly persisteth in all things necessarie and essentiall such as this
chosen him that Act. 15. 7. from his mouth they might heare the Ghospell as himself alledgeth and that hee here fownded Churches and ordayned preists and deacons which is reported by Simon Metaphrastes out of the Greeke Metaphrast Centur. 1. part 7. dist 8. Antiquities and Guilielmus Eisingrenius in the first of his Centurie whoe saith that Peter was here in Neroes time Therefore if the Antiquities of the gretians and Aduersaries to the Romaue See giue this testimone vnto it wee need not be scrupulous to receaue it especially when these Protestant Bishops with their Pantaleon giue creditt to this authoritie of S. Peter ouer this kingedome in these wordes Much about these times as Beatus Rhenanus Theat sup pag. 204. n. 9. cap. 9. in his Historie of Germanie Pantaleon and others doe reporte one Suetonius a noble mans sonne in Britaine conuerted to the faith by the first planters of the Ghospell in this Iland and after his baptisme called Beatus was sent by the brethren from hence vnto Rome to be better iustructed and further directed by Saint Peter himself Therefore a dependance of this kingedome from S. Peter and the Church of Rome in spirituall things from the begynninge of Christianitie is to be allowed Which they further confirme in their historie of Kinge Luâ—ius sendeinge to Pope Eleutherius at Rome about the Conuersion of this Kingedome and his sendeing hither Faganus and Damianus two famous Thea of G. Br. pag. 206. n. 18. l. 6. cap. 9. Clerkes to that purpose of whome they write in this maner These together both preached and baptized amongst the Britaines whereby many dayly were drawne to the faith And as a worthie Dicetus Deane of London a manuscript in the Kings library ad An. 178. and auntient historian saith the Temples which had beene fownded to the honor of their many Gods were then dedicated to the one and onely true God for there were in Britaine eight and twentie Flamins and three Archflamins in stead of which so many Bishops and Archbishops were appointed vnder the Archbishop of London were the prouinces of Loegria and Cornubia vnder Yorke Deira and Saint Dauids in Wales Albania vnder vrbs begionum Cambria by which meanes this happie Kingedome vnder that godly Kinge was nobly beatified with so many cathedrall Churches and Christian Bishops Sees before any other Kingedome of the world Now because these Protestants haue tolde vs before that to ordaine Bishops and teachers and to fownde Churches is an Argument of supreamacie seing all Bishops of this Kingedome were ordayned Sutcliff ag Kâ—ll pag 105. their Sees designed and Churches fownded by Eleutherius Pope of Rome and his authoritie in those which he sent hither with that power Faganus and Damianus all spirituall and ecclesiasticall Iâ—risdiction of that primatiue Church in this Kingedome of necessitie was deriued from the Church of Rome For although Mr Francis Mason in his new defence of the English Ministery Mason of the consecration c. pag. 52. would attribute greate priuiledge to Eluanuâ— and Meduinus whome as hee with his Bishops say Kinge Lucius sent to Pope Eleutherius at Rome about the conuersion of this nation standeinge vppon a Reporte in these wordes Iohn Capgraue reporteth that Eleutherius made Eluanus Bishop of Britaine and Meduinus a Doctour to preach the faith of Christ throughe the whole Iland Yett hee must needs graunt that both Order and Iurisdiction Episcopall came into and was preserued in this Kingedome from the Pope of Rome For first hee writeth of Kinge Lucius in this maner The Kinge wrote to Eleutherius desireing that by his commaundement hee might be made a Mason sup cap. 3. §. 2. Christian Secondly hee proueth Kinge Lucius had but a part of this Kingedome but the Pagan Emperors Marcus Antonius Verus and Aurelius Commodus his brother were cheife vnto Beda l. 1. histor cap. 4. the wall of seperation and Lucius was tributary vnto them Thus hee writeth of Kinge Lucius Hee had seene Christians reproched by the Pagans as infamous parsons and dispitefully Mason l. 2. pag. 52. cap. 3. §. 1. handled by the Romans that were in authoritie Therfore the Pagan Romans then were in authoritie Thirdly his owne words before That Eleutherius made Eluanus Bishop of Britaine and Meduinus a Doctor to preach the faith of Christ through the whole Iland ar cleare for Eleutherius the Pope his authoritie vniuersally ouer all for Kinge Lucius was but a tributary Kinge for one parcell of this Iland and the Romans themselues had but part Yett the Iurisdiction was giuen as before through the whole Iland Mr. Masons words be these The Romans had spred their golden Eagle ouer a greate part of the Iland The Emperor Hadrian had made a wall fourescore miles longe Antonius Pius had made an other to diuide the Romans from the Brittans and all that liued within this wall were tributary to the Romans of which number Kinge Lucius is said to be Therefore Lucius being but one of that number of tributaryes for a part of the Romans part had neither spirituall nor temporall Iurisdiction any further much lesse ouer all His words of this whole Iland ar these Yorke London Caerlegion in these three noble citties Mason sup l. 2. cap. 3. pag. 54. were the seates of the Archflamynes so there were 28. Flamynes and three Archflamynes in steade of which so many Bishops and Archbishops were appointed Therefore seing the Romans themselues had but a part of Brittaine and Lucius but a tributary part of that part and these men assuer vs that so many were assigned Bishops and Archbishoppes with their seuerall Sees and Iurisdictions ouer all this Iland comprehendeing both England conteined in the names Loegria Stowe Annal 12. cap. 1. and others and Cornubia vnto Humber the North and Scotland in Deira and Albania and Wales in Cambria as our Historians tell vs it followeth by vndeniable consequence that all spirituall Iurisdiction and authoritie in all this land now termed greate Brittaine was deduced brought in and continued from and vnder the Pope of Rome And that neither Kinge Lucius or any his successor did or in iustice could clayme any supreamacie in such causes For none of them vntill our Kinge Iames was quietly possessed of them all and yett one and the same spirituall Iurisdiction ruled in all these Kingedomes of England Scotland and Ireland Ireland subiect to Canterbury and Scotland to Yorke and all to the Pope as these Protestants acknowledge vntill late yares Therefore ridiculous it is for the Theater Protestants to giue such supreamacie to Kings because as they say Pope Eleutherius in his epistle to Kinge Lucius calleth him the vicar of God in his Kingedome for by that Kinde of reasoninge euery vicar in his parish being so called might clayme such supreamacy And the Presbytery must needs be obeyed of all But if wee may beleeue these men that the lawes of S. Edward doe warrant S. Eleutherius
will not haue any such canon or constitution his friuolous distinction in the Nicene Councell then lately ended then they must needs be of more auntient and vncontroleable antiquitie and authoritie by his owne censure and S. Ciprians Councell and decree against this highest power of no validitie if hee could bringe forth any such decree or Councell which hee doth not but onely alledgeth these words of S. Ciprian to Pope Cornelius statutum est omnibus nobis Which hee thus translated S. Ciprian directly ordeyned in a Councell Which Ciprian ep 55. ad Cornel. Morton App. lib. 2. pag. 296. S. Ciprian neither had done nor could doe to bynde S. Cornelius and the Church of Rome with all others For by D. Mortons owne Argument if Pope and S. Cornelius Pope and Saint Stephen with others Bishops of the Mother and commaunding Churche of Rome then by his Maiestie a Rule vnto all might not be a Rule and commaunder ouer the African Church much lesse could the Church of Africke subiect Ruled and dependinge make statutes and decrees to rule and commaund this Rule and commaunder of all And Mr Morton might haue concluded the contrary of his translation for the Church of Rome if hee had considered that S. Ciprians words be not Statutum sit ab omnibus nobis it is decreed of or by vs all â—â—t statutum sit omnibus nobis a decree is made for vs all Because S. Fabian Pope of Rome and predicessor to S. Cornelius had made such a â—abian â—â—ist 3. â—â—m 1. conc decree to bynde all as S. Ciprian spake of Ibi causa agatur vbi crimen admittitur lett the cause be hard there where the fault is committed Yet in the same place Appeales to Rome ar excepted in these words Wee forbid forreyne Iudgments by a generall decree reserued allwayes the Apostolicke authoritie And againe It pleaseth alsoe that if a Bishop accused hath appealed to the See Apostolicke that shall be decreed which the high Bishop of that See giueth sentence of All which as alsoe that whole epistle of S. Ciprian to S. Cornelius then Pope of Rome neuer denyeing appeales thither but excuseinge and defendeing and purgeing himself and other Bishops of Africke accused by Appellants at Rome as they had likewise done priori anno the yeare before sufficiently Ciprian ep 55. supr confirme the vndeniable supreame authoritie of that Church Which S. Ciprian there proueth to be of Infallible Iudgment and vndeceaueable by any Appellants or others in matters of Religion and so to be appealed vnto and supreame His words in the same epistle and concerning the same Appellants ar these Nauigare audent ad Petri cathedram They dare to saile euen to the chayre of Peter and to the principall Church from whence preistly vnitie is risen and cary thither letters from Scismaticks and wicked men nor to thinke that they be Romans whose faith by the Apostle preachinge is praised to whome false beleefe cannot haue accesse Hitherto the very wordes of S. Ciprian in that place and epistle which D. Morton alleadgeth against the Romane supreamacie by which is euident that S. Ciprian neither did nor could by his doctrine deny appeales to that Church which as hee writeth could not be deceaued with Hereticks nor false beleefe could haue accesse vnto it which could be for no other cause but for the Infallible Iudgment thereof and that God did assist it in truthe as other Protestants ar wittnesses before And D. Morton haueing first written Morton app pag. 296. in this order The Title of vniuersall Bishop of the Church hath beene long vsed of the Pope of Rome is as mutch to blame to speake thus S. Ciprian saith none of vs is called the Bishop of Bishops which not S. Ciprian onely but the whole Councell of Carthadge vnder Ciprian did professe furthermore callinge it a terror tyrannicall for any one Bishop to impose vppon his fellowe Bishops a necessitie of obedience For first D. Morton cannot but knowe that this Councell of Africke defendeinge Rebaptization was iustly condemned by the then Popes of Rome and recanted by the African Bishops present at it as is proued before Secondly D. Morton will be a Presbyterian if hee maketh equalitie in the cleargie and denyeth Archbishops primates and Patriarkes as his citation without better glosse implyeth Thirdly hee doth abuse his Readers to wish them to beleeue that S. Ciprian and the African Bishops decreed any thing against the clayme of S. Stephen then Bishop of Rome his predecessors and successors to be Bishop of Bishops Mort. sup pag. 296. in a right sence as hee there citeth from Binias for so against his owne words and citation they had called their owne decree a terror tyrannicall for any one Bishop to impose vppon his fellowe Bishops a necessitie of obedience For D. Morton dareth not to deny but S. Stephen and other Popes of Rome were at the leaste fellowe Bishops with those of Africke But S. Ciprian and those Bishops decreed no such thinge for D. Morton may so in that Councell that the sentence of S. Ciprian is the laste of all and after all the other Bishops and onely to condemne Baptisme by Hereticks after recanted and condemned And the words which hee cited against Bishop of Bishops ar in S. Ciprians Carthagin concil sub Cyprian to 1. concil init exhortation not decree to the Bishops of Africke begynninge Audistis Collegae Dilectissimi you haue hard ô moste beloued fellowes nothing concerning except affirminge or confirminge that clayme and Title in Pope Stephen an holy Saint and Martyr but alltogether about rebaptization and are these Superest vt de hacre quid singuli sentiamus proferamus Yt remayneth that euery of vs speaketh of this matter what hee thinketh Iudginge no man or remoueing any man from the Right of communion if hee shall thinke otherwise for none of vs there assembled constituted himself Bishop of Bishops Which seing S. Stephen an holy Pope and Martyr with others of that sacred See then a Rule to all by Protestants and D. Morton did by them also it must be yeelded to be iust and lawfull Neither must D. Morton be so hyperpapall as to deny the Councell of Sardyce where appeales to Rome ar warranted to be generall for his Masters the makers of their greate Theater haue so allowed and receaued it before Nor slander S. Cyprian by perswadeing the worlde that hee dyed out of the vnitie of the Church of Rome for recallinge of which his greate rashnes I referre him to better Authorities of S. Augustine S. Ierome Augustin ep 48. Hieron dialog cont Luciferian and the like And this sufficeth of this question By which the vniuersitie of Cambridg may easely resolue themselues by their owne Doctors of the second proposition offered vnto them by the Preists of Wisbich There is an externall Iudge in matters of faith whoe it is and of what authoritie his definitiue sentence is in such things
them Apochypha is vtterly ouerthowne For an opinion fownded vppon old Iewish Cauills against Christians singularly held or renewed reclaymed by the Author and generally giâ—â—ing offence as these Protestants affirme this was is not probable to be true D. Couell against Burges the Puritane answeareth the obiections against these Couell ag Burges pag. 8â— 86. 87. 88. 89 90. 91. bookes as Catholickes doe And sheweth that these bookes haue without cause beene accused of faultes by Protestants onely to deny them to be canonicall as Catholicks esteeme them And further hee addeth thus They ar moste true and might haue the reconcilement Couell sup pag. 87. of other scriptures And againe in these wordes If Russinus be not deceaued they were approued as parts of the old testament by the Apostles For when S. Hierome writt so scornefully of the historie of Susanna and the songe of the three children hee chargeth him therein to haue robbed the treasure of the holy ghost and diuine Instrument which the Apostles deliuered to the Churches And S. Hierome whoe is not vsually slowe to defend himself leaueth that point vnansweared pretending that what hee had spoken was not his owne opinion but what the Iewes obiected And for his paynes in translateing the booke of Iudith which Protestants deny hee giueth this reason because wee reade that the Councell of Nyce did reckon it in the number of holy scriptures Hitherto D. Couells words and much like vnto this of Russinus hee citeth from S. Augustine S. Ciprian and others Temporibus Apostolorum proximis in the next ages to the time of the Apostles And thus wee see how weake that Protestant Religion is that by their owne testimonie is fownded vppon so singular new reuiued Iewish Cauills disclaymed and generally offensyue and disliked opinion From hence I argue further All Bookes which were approued by the Apostles for parts of the old testament were the treasure of the holy ghost and diuine Instrument which the Apostles deliuered to the Churches which ar moste true and might haue reconcilement of other scriptures ar to be allowed for such But all these things ar verified of bookes which these Protestants deny and by themselues as is cited from them before Therefore ar to be allowed for canonicall scriptures bothe propositions be graunted by these Protestants before and so in this argument nothing remayneth to be proued And againe thus I argue whatsoeuer a generall Councell in the primatiue Church the highest Rule by Protestants before to approue scriptures and bynde all men vnto the definitions of it receaued for scripture ought to be receaued for such But more bookes then Protestants allowe were so receaued as these Protestants tell vs Therefore more are to be admitted Both propositions ar here also graunted before by Protestants and so the Argument concludeth truely against them Further I argue thus Those Bookes which the Iewes before and at the comminge of Christ for their greatest or greate part dwelleing out of Iury vsed as parts of the old testament and deliuered as a canon to the Christian Churches and were Ioyned in one volume read by them of the Latine Church then the acknowledged true Churche of Christ and were receaued in the third Carthagenian Councell which was confirmed in the sixt generall Councell ar now to be receaued and allowed for canonicall scriptures But those bookes which Protestants denie and Catholicks allowe be such Therefore they ar to be now allowed for canonicall The Maior proposition is euidently true for if the Iewes before and at the commeing of Christ the primatiue Christians of that time and their practice the authoritie of the true Church of Christ the moste principall Church before by D. Feild and other Protestants a fomous prouinciall Councell and the confirmation of a generall Councell ar not to be admitted to direct and instruct vs there is no meanes left for instruction in this case these beinge by these Protestants before the greatest warrants and Rules wee can haue in such causes The second proposition is proued in this manen D. Feild haueing spoken how the Hebrue Iewes had made their Hebrue canon accordeing to their Iewish reckoninge of the number of their letters how probably I leaue to Hebritians and may not now entreate hee concludeth thus These onely did Feild l. 4. c. 23. pag. 245. the auncient Church of the Iewes receaue as diuine and canonicall Neither much meruaile all the others being the last that were written and in the time of their decayeing state and afflictions Of these hee writeth thus in the next words That other bookes were added vnto Feild sup these whose authoritie not being certayne and knowne ar called Apocryphall fell out on this sortè The Iewes in their later times before and at the Act. 6. c. gloss ordinar lyr in eandem locum comminge of Christ were of two sortes some properly and for distinction sake named Hebrâ—es commorant at Hierusalem and in the holy land others named Hellenists that is Iewes of dispersion mingled with the Gretians These had written sundry bookes in Greeke which they made vse of together with other parts of the old testament which they had of the translation of the Septuagint But the Hebrues receaued onely the two and twentie bookes before mentioned Hence it came that the Iewes deliuered a double Canon of the scripture to the Christian Churches Thus wee see that the greatest parte of the Iewes Proselytes and all our of Iurie did add these bookes with the other for scripture vsed them as part of the old testament deliuered them to the Christian Churches as part of the canon of scripture and the primatiue Church consequently so receaued them otherwise they were not thus deliuered Therefore thus farre the Minor proposition is proued for I doe not expect D. Feild to say or not say expressely that these be or be not canonicall but what in true consequence hee must say by his owne graunte before and hereafter Then hee telleth vs they in S. Augustines time were receaued Feild pag. 246. by him the fathers of third Councell of Carthage and Innocentius then Pope of Rome in the best estate of that Church when it was as before by Protestants Kings speach sup a Rule vnto all in the catalogue of canonicall scriptures Now that the Canons of this Carthagenian Councell were confirmed in the sixt generall Councell holden at Trallo to vse his words and which Protestants acknowledge Feild l. 4. cap. 23. pag. 258. for a generall Councell their highest Rule hee testifieth after in the same chapter Neither is his exception because the Laodicean Councell which nameth not all Ob. them is there also confirmed of any purpose Answ for that generall Councell by Protestants approueing and confirminge bothe that which named them for canonicall and that doth not name them all must needs confirme them for canonicall otherwise against supposition this Councell of Carthage had not beene confirmed as they teach it was Further I
thinke be plurall That whosoeuer by their Interpretations should allowe such absurdities cannot haue the true interpretation of scriptures Now the Minor is easely proued by him also for all men are bownde to obey lawfull superioritie and authoritie such as hee saith a generall Councell hath ouer all Christians in these cases his wordes before cited be these They that haue supreame Feild l. 4. â— 16. pag. 228. power that is the Bishops assembled in a generall Councell may interpret the scripture and by their authoritie suppresse all them that shall gaynesay such Interpretations and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determination as they consent vppon to excommunication and Censures of like nature Wherefore seing generall Councells haue this bindeing and commaundeing power ouer all men by these Protestants and yet by their Article before may erre and haue Art 21. sup erred euen in things pertayning vnto God the whole Christian worlde with so many absurdities may be in this damnable error the Church might cease not be Catholicke Christ Feild pag. 203. should be without a Church which D. Feild before esteemeth greate absurdities Againe thus I argue They which straungely peruert bely depraue abuse and falsefye holy scriptures cannot be thought to be true interpreters of them But M. Parkes so testifieth of our Parkes ag lymbom def of the 1. 2. 3. testim English Protestants Therefore they cannot be thought to be true Interpreters of them Notheing remaineth in this Argument to be proued Further I argue thus No Interpreters or expositors of scripture whose Interpretations be partiall vntrue seditious sauoureing of Treason poysen the Ghospell c. are to be Iudged true and Iuridicall But the English Protestants hy their owne testimonyes be such Therefore not to be iudged true and iuridicall interpreters The Maior is true and euident And the Minor thus proued first by the Protestant Confer at Hampt pag. 47. conference in these wordes The notes annexed to the Geneua translation some are very partiall vntrue seditious and sauoureing toâ— much of daungerous and trayterous conceits Yet these were allowed and published as publicke and approued interpretations An other Protestant writeth in this maner The Bishops Aduerment An. 1604. notes betray our Lord and Redeemer and befoole the rocke of saluation they are the verie poyson to all the Ghospell M. Ormerod writeth thus of his fellowe Ormer pict purit q. 4. Protestants They fill the margents of their bookes full of places of scripture in a wronge sense that by this meanes they might more easely deceaue the simple people They neither care for Maior Minor nor Conclusion so they may say some thinge They point their margents with shamefull abuseing of scripture To these I might add more arguments as that by their owne testimonies they are Hereticks Scismaticks haue no ttue Churche no true Religion and the like as amonge other reasons from themselues why Catholiks may not communicate with them in spirituall and religeous affayres is proued in a late treatise against them I will therefore passe them ouer as allready proued CHAPTER VII WHEREIN BY THESE PROtestants is proued that vnwritten traditions lawfully proued are the word of God equally as the holy scriptures That many such are and all confirme the doctrine of the Church of Rome and condemne Protestants Religion AFTER this entreateinge of holy scriptures the written worde of God lett vs come to that parte of his sacred worde delyuered by traditions and vnwritten verities preserued and proposed to faithfull Christians by the holy spouse and Church of Christ whose Iudgment Rule and direction is so dignified aboue all Inferiour Iudgments by these Protestants before Concerninge the validitie and authoritie of truely proued traditions I argue thus All Rules Groundes and Authorities in matters of Religion that are equall with holy scriptures in the Iudgment of Protestants the highest Rule in such causes are â—eghely to be reuerenced and obeyed of all Christians But the holy traditions and vnwritten verities deliuered by Christ and Apostles being lawfully proued are of this nature Therefore to be reuerenced embraced and receaued The Maior proposition is euidently true for where there is absolute equalitie there is not inferioritie but paritie as is manifest in all equalities The Minor is thus proued in this maner first M. Wotton speakeing of such hath these Wotton def of Perk. pag. 405. pag. 436. supr words out of all question wee are bounde to keepe them and telleth vs that M. Perkins was of the same opinion D. Feild speaketh thus concerninge traditions In this question by tradition wee vnderstand such partes of Christian doctrine or Feild pag. 238. l. 4. cap. 20. discipline as were not written by them by whomâ— they were first deliuered For thus our Aduersaries vnderstand traditions which they diuide into diuers kindes First in respect of the authors so makeing them of three sortes Diuine Apostolicall and Ecclesiasticall Secondly in respect of the matter they concerne in which respect they make them to be of two sortes for either they concerne matters of faiâ—he or matters of manners and these later againe either temporall or perpetuall vniuersall or particular All these in their seuerall kindes they make equall with the words precepts and doctrines of Christ the Apostles and pastors of the Church left vnto vs in writeinge Neither is there any reason why they should not so doe if they could proue any such vnwritten verities For it is not the writeing that giueth things their authoritie but the worthe and credit of him that deliuereth them though by worde and lyuely voyce onely Thus the authoritie of Traditions is iustified by Protestants to be equall with the scriptures if they can be proued Now because Protestants mayntayneinge the sufficiencie of scripture for matters of faith deny traditions of that nature I argue in this maner All Articles and matters of faith are in Protestants Iudgment proued and deliuered to vs by tradition Therefore some articles and matters of faith are in their Iudgment or so must be graunted to be deliuered by tradition The consequence is euident for euery generall proposition includeth the particular The Antecedent is thus proued by them Whosoeuer doe graunte those things which by them conteyne all matters and Articles of faith to be delyuered by tradition must needs allowe traditions in matters of faith But these Protestants doe so Therefore they must allowe such traditions The Maior is euident for whatsoeuer conteineth all excludeth none and so comprehending all comprehendeth also some and the parts of that all The Minor is likewise proued in this maner supposeing the Common opinion of these Protestants set downe in the sixt Article of their Religion Articl of Relig. art 6. in these wordes Holy scripture conteyneth all things necessarie to saluation so that whatsoeuer iâ— not reade thâ—rein nor may be proued thereby is not to be required of any man that it should be beleeued as an Article of the
of D. Gâ—orge Abbot sup pag. 48. 52. Constance before by him and others generall did define Wickliffe to be an Hereticke Also Pope Iohn the 23 in a generall Councell at Rome did condemne him for an Hereticke Then by this graunt The protestancie of England being the same as these Protestants tell vs which was taught be Iohn Wickliffe and by these Councells generall by their owne assertions condemned for Heresie must needs be Heresie And the contrarie doctrine of the Church of Rome orthodoxall and Catholicke otherwise no doctrine euer at any time was or can be hereafter lawfully condemned for Heresie or iuridically approued and allowed for true and Catholicke For by their owne Censure the highest Iudgment in the Church generall Councells haue thus defined and by their doctrine before of the power of generall Councells bownde all Christians vnder penaltie of eternall damnation so to beleeue in these questions And allthough the generall Councells of the primatiue Church were assembled about other Heresies The Catholicke doctrine of these points now impugned by Protestants then generally receaued and not doubted of as will manifestly appeare in the Chapter of Holy Fathers and Doctors of the primatiue Church yet because the first fower generall Councells are by name receaued and authorized by Parlament both by Queene Elizabeth and our Statut. 1. Eliz. 1. Iacob c. Sutcliffe ag D. Kell pag. 102. present Soueraigne And D. Sutcliffe for Protestants hath answeared thus before wee hold all the Christian faithe explaned in the sixe generall Councells Then seing the first sixe haue gott this greate papall approbation first concerninge the first generall Councell of Nice all though Vitus and Vincentius were presidents there for the Pope of Rome yet it was further confirmed by that Apostolicke Conc. Rom. tom 1. concil See in these words Whatsoeuer is constituted in Nyce of Bithinia to the strength of our holy Mother the Catholicke Church by 318 Preists wee confirme with our mouth Wee anathematize all them that shall dare to dissolue the definition of the holy and greate Councell gathered together at Nyce The third Canon of that holy Councell Conc. 1. Nicen can 3. defineth thus Omnibus modis Interdixit sancta Synodus c. The holy Councell hath wholly forbidden that it shall be lawfull neither for Bishop Preist nor Protest Booke of makeing and Order Bish. Preists c. An 3. Edw. 6. 1. El. 1. Iacob can Iacob can 7. can 8. Socr. 1. c. 8. Sozom. Deacon nor any other of the Cleargie to haue with him any straunge woman except perhaps mother or Sister or Grandmother c. Where there be more Orders of the Cleargie then Bishops Preists and Deacons onely allowed with them and none of these to haue any other woman or wife but to lyue in chastitie Their Answeare that Paphnutius persuaded the Councell that wiues maryed before orders might be kept out of Socrates and Sozomen is directly against the words of the Councell l. 1. c. 22. Epip in Compend Basil epist 17. in addit Hier. in vigilant epist 50. ad Pammach cone Carthag 2. can 2. concil 6. generca 2. in Trull before cited against S. Epiphanius that glorious Saint and Father of the Greeke Church S. Basile also S. Hierome c. the second Carthagenian Councell confirmed in the sixt generall Councell allowed by D. Sutcliffe defineing thus Apostoli docuerunt ipsa seruauit antiquitas c. The Apostles taught and antiquitie it self obserued that Bishops Preists and Deacons and those that handle Sacraments should be keepers of Chastitie and abstayne from wiues And yet these Protestants vtterly deny the opinion of Paphnutius himself as they themselues cite hym for they Marry after Orders which they confesse both Paphnutius and the first Nicen Councell denyed to be lawfull together with Socrates Sozomenus and all Greeke authoritie and practice In the fourtenth Canon of that first generall Councell the sacrifice of Masse and Christs reall presence in the blessed Sacrament of the altare are taught in these Concil Nicen 1. can 14. words This neither the Rule nor custome hath deliuered that they which haue not power to offer sacrifice should giue the bodie of Christ to them that offer it vp The sixt canon deliuereth by their Concil 1. Nicen. can 6. owne Interpretation that the Pope of Rome is supreame heade of the Church of England and all others in this part of the world And in truthe of the whole Iohn Speed in Theatr. pag. â—06 concil Sardicen can 3. 4. 7. c. Theodoret. l 2. hist c. 8 hist trip l. 4. c. 24. 2â— 15. 16. Conc. Constantinopol 2. gener can 2. Can. 5. Christian worlde as is declared in the greate Sardican Councell generall and otherwise binding this Kingdome by our Bishops presence and assent there by our Protestant Theater where Appeales be graunted to the Pope from any Bishops or Councells themselues And the second generall Councell held at Constantinople maketh manifest that the Nicen Councell prescribed no limits to the Pope of Rome but to other Patriarkes and plainely deciareth Episcopuin Romanum habere primatum That the Bishop of Rome is supreame And by denying this to haue beene the decree of the Nicen Councell they proue the Popes supreamacie from the beginninge For Socrates Socrates in histor tripart lib. 4. cap. 9. writeing how the Antiochian Councell kept within twentie yeares of that of Nyce Was reiected because not approued by the See of Rome writeth thus Cum vtique Regula eâ—clesiastica iubeat non oportere praeter sententiam Romani pontifiâ—is Con ilia celebrare The ecclesiasticall Rule commaundeth that Councells be not called without the consent of the Pope of Rome Therefore their Bishop Bilson writeth thus The Canon Bilson true diff pag. 67 pag. 66. sup of the primatiue Church forbad any Councell to be called without the Bishop of Rome his consent The canon of the primatiue Church made euery thinge voide that was done without the Bishop of Rome Then what may wee thinke of the Protestants doeings in England where his Authoritie Nicephor Calix histecel in concil Ephes Prosper in Chron. An. 431. is so dispised In the third generall Councell at Ephesus the then Pope of Rome Celestiâ—â—â— constituted Cyrillus Patriarke of Alexandria to be president for him In the fourth generall Councell at Caleedon the cause of the Popes supreamacie is so cleare that D. Downame denieth not but it attributed Downam l. 1. Antichrist c. 3. pag. 36. concil Calcedon sess 8. to the Pope of Rome to be heade of the Churche In that Councell in the 8. session is thus registred Omnes Episcopi clamauerunt c. All the Bishops cryed out next vnto God Leo then Pope of Rome hath Iudged And the Pope himself not being present in that Councell his legates gaue sentence against Dioscorus The wordes of the Councell be these Et cum Concil Calced Act. 1. 2.
obiect or cause of beleefe and true faith The second proposition is thus proued by D. Couell whoe entreating Couell def of Hooker pag 59. of this greate question hath these words A curious searcheing into that will which is not reuealed serueth but to breede a contempt of that which is reuealed vnto vs. Man desireth rather to knowe then to doe nay to knowe euen those things which doe not concerne him rather then to doe that for the neglect whereof hee must giue an accompt From hence cometh it to passe that what the schooles haue curiously sought out concerning the nature of Gods will the pulpitts nay the stalls of Artificers haue vndertaken to decide them all And Pag. 62. sup prosecuteing this question hauing cited and approued the Catholicke distinctions of the will of God into antecedent consequent of Gods good pleasure and the signe of it into a will absolute conditionall c. hee concludeth thus God willeth all men to be saued Whoe therefore that they are not it is not his decree but their owne fault Certainely saithe S. Ambrose hee willeth all men to be saued if they will themselues for hee that hath giuen a lawe to all doubtles hath excluded none Yf any Protestant will answere as WottoÌ„ def of Perkins pag. 467. c. many of them vnlearnedly holde That deduction from scripture as they suppose maketh a matter of faith I tell him with all learned dyuines and in true diuinitie that nothinge vncertayne doubtfull or fallible can possibly make a matter of faith which must of all assents in this world be moste certaine But euery deduction from such supposed scripture especially where neither the matter man his name parson or any thinge of him in particular is reuealed must needs be vncertayne doubtfull and fallible Therefore it cannot make a matter and conclusion vnfallible and of faith For the conclusion in no syllogisme can be more certayne then the premises and fallible humane deduction from and by which it is concluded But according to the Rule of Logicke semper sequitur debilioreni partem allwayes followeth the weaker part And the Maior is euident in it self before The Minor is proued thus by Doctor Feild priuate Interpretation or Feild pag. 226. Couell def of Hooker pag. 8. deduction bindeth not But true faith bindeth all men And D. Couell expressely writeth the same which I haue answered and in these words Doctrines deryued are not the word of God But nothing but the word of God written or nor written as is euident maketh a matter of faith euen by Protestants The first Argument is framed thus whatsoeuer is onely knowne of God cannot be knowne muche lesse with certainetie of faith by particular men But particular mens predestination is onely knowne to God Therefore not to particular men much lesse with certanitie of faith The Maior proposition is euidently true the worde onely being exclusiue and denying all others The Minor proposition is thus testified by D. Couell in expresse words Couell def of Hooker pag. 63. and pag. 108. God onely knoweth who are predestinate And in an other place thus Mens predestination vnto life none can knowe but God onely The sixt Argument is No doctrine that draweth from consideration what concerneth mans saluation and bringeth contempt of good works is true But this predestinarie opinion is such Therefore not true The Maior is euidently true euen in the doctrine of English Protestants making in Artic. 12. their square it self of their Religion good workes to be necessarie to saluation and the consideration of it also The Minor is thus proued by D. Couell If all men rightly considered Couell def of Hooker pag. 107. 108. in those actions that concerne mans saluation how farre wee are tyed not onely in obedience but for vse to those things that are meanes to effect the sâ—me few would haue beene so carlessely resolute to contemne good workes through an opinion of eternall election By which sentence hee doth not onelie denie the Protestant certanitie and securitie of predestination but plainely teacheth that good workes are the meanes to effect saluation Then as the end cannot be obtayed without the meanes that bringeth vnto it so it cannot be predestinate without such meanes except God could or should predestinate things to be otherwise then they be or can be which is vnpossible The seuenth and last Argument in this question may bee this Noe man Ignorant of that whereuppon predestination or the certaine knowledg thereof dependeth can certainely know himself to bee predestinate But all Protestants are ignorant of that which is whether they shall lyue and dye in good workes Therefore noe Protestant is certaine of saluation The Maior is euident And the Minor proued Couell sup pag. 108 by the same Protestant Doctor in these wordes Eternall election includeth a subordination of means without which wee are not actually brought to enioy what God secretly did intend and therefore to builde vppon Gods election yf wee keepe not ourselues to the wayes which hee hath appointed for mee to walke in is but a false deceauing vanitie for all men notwitstanding their preordination vnto life which none can knowe but God onely are in the Apostlâ—s opinion till they haue embraced the truthe but the children of wrathe as well as others And to manifest that this was the doctrine of the primatiue church by which these Protestants say they will be Iudged D. Morton writeth Morton Apol part 2. pag. 223. in these wordes Veteres Patres fere omnes arbitratisunt praedestinationis causam fuisse praeuisa hominum opera All moste all the auncient fathers did thinke that the good deeds of men foreseene were the cause of predestination And Mr. Wotton writeth thus wee acknowledge that the fault is wholly WottoÌ„ def of Perkins pag. 86. in cuery man that is not saued Therefore I conclude this question that euen by English Protestant Doctors the doctrine of the Romane Church in this is true and that of the predestinarie Protestants is false erroneous and damnable CHAPTER II. PROVETH BY THE SAME Protestants of England That onely faith much lesse the assureing faith of Protestants neither doth nor can Iustifie NEXT vnto this Question of predestination lett vs entreate of that which hath moste and nearest connexion vnto it mans Iusification in this life whether it be by the supposed assureing faith of Protestants that a man is iustified and righteous as thy commonly call it or otherwise by these writers Of which matter the Councell of Trent first for Catholicks defineth thus It is necessarie Codcil trid ses 4. can 9. to beleeue syns neither are forgiuen neither were at any time forgiuen but freely by the mercie of God for Christ. And then addeth concerninge the presumptuous faith of Protestants which it had before confuted in this maner If any Can. 12. sup man shall say that iustifying faith is nothing els but a confidence of Gods mercie remitting sins for
Protestant preacher in his more then vncharitable booke against Catholicks witnesseth of Prot. proof-part 1. c. 9. cap. 8. c. his owne brethren in Religion the English Protestants Of the more then irreligeous and prophane behauiour of their cleargie of English Protestants in abuseing falsefieing peruertinge the holy Scriptures Fathers Councels and all Authorities for Religion I haue for this point sufficiently entreated before to proue that they are not iust or righteous but most vniust and impious by their owne testimonie What other syns they are defiled with let their owne liues and the world censure But suer I am they are not voide of all greuous sinnes which they must be if they be iustified and in grace and such they must be in deed before they knowe themselues to be such except they can know that to be which is not as their sharp wits would seeme to doe in this and other questions of Religion Then seeing it is to apparant that Protestants are not iust either by their Imagined assureinge faith or howsoeuer let vs further examine by these writers and Protestant professors whether it is in it self possible that this supposed faith should Iustifie The contrary whereof thus I demonstrate from their owne writings All men that pretend to be iustified by this Imagined faith must needs be iustified by some act or acts thereof But no man is Iustified by any act or acts thereof Therefore no man is iustified by it The Maior is manifest The Minor is thus proued by Protestants First D. Feild with Feild pag. 177. others doth and of necessitie must affirme that in this busines of their fantasied Iustification their deuised faith hath twoe and onely twoe acts One going before iustification teaching vs to pray entreate God and humble ourselues when wee are not iust and this act as hee acknowledgeth it to goe before Iustification so hee thus freely confesseth that it doth not iustifie The second Act as hee telleth vs doth followe Iustification and so by no possibilitie because the cause cannot be after the effect caused by it that is able to iustifie wherefore his owne words of this Act of their inuented faith be these Shee doth not actiuely Iustifie but findeth the thinge done Therefore seeing they teach there be but two acts in their new faith the first and second te laste which admitt no more and neither the one nor other nor both together because they graunt there is no partiall influence or cooperation from them to that purpose dothe doe or can iustifie there is no possibilitie of Iustification by such idle faithe for so two contradictoryes should be true man is iustified by some act of faith man is not iustified by any act of faith Which in Logicke and nature is knowne to be vnpossible and a stupide absurditie to affirme it This matter is further proued by D. Couell who reiecting Luthers Couell def of Hooker pag. 42. opinion in this question graunteth a seperabilitie of faith and workes and that faith as they commonly graunte doth not iustifie Then Iustification cannot possibly be by onely faith which in an other treatise hee declareth by example in these words Faith is the fowndation of spirituall buylding of Gods howse charitie the Roofe without which the best are Couell against Burges pag. 148. but as howses vncouered that cannot longe continue Then iustification which is the Roofe of our spirituall buildinge in this world is and musts needs be the worke and buildinge of charitie and not of faith alone Which demonstratiuely is true by his graunt that faith and the works of charitie may be seperated for they consent that without such works man is not iustified therefore not possibly by this their Poeticall faith Further both the present Protestant Archbishop of Canterbury D. George Abbot against D. Hill and D. Feild also doth often tell vs that the Greeke Church is the true Church of Christ Then supposing from my first chapter in the first part of this worke by the graunt of the same D. Feild Protest proaf part 1. cap. 1. D Couell D. Sutcliffe M. Wotton and M. Ormerod that the direction thereof is to be followed her Iudgment to be rested in that it hath authoritie to commaund her children the Iudgment of it is a very speciall grownd of faith supporting the truthe as a piller doth vnderpropp a building is a diligent and true keepr of doctrines committed to her chaungeth nothing diminisheth nothing at any time addeth nothing superfluous looseth not her owne vsurpeth not things belonging to others and that there is no saluation remission of syns or hope of eternall life out of the Church All which be the verie words of those laste cited Protestants related in that place From which graunts thus I argue No doctrine or opinion that is a thinge moste horrible vnworthie any Christian against the lawe of God and light of nature is or can possibly be true But the paradoxe of Protestants that this their supposed onely faith doth iustifie is such Therefore it neither is or can be true The Maior is euidently true and to affirme the contrary is to denie all true Religion and the Authoritie of God for yf hee should or could teach or reueale to men to followe doctrine that is horrible vnworthie a Christian against his owne lawe and naturall light such doctrine could not be true nor hee honored as God but to be accoumpted a deceauer and seducer The Minor or second proposition be the expresse words of the Greeke Church so true to be obeyd and followed in doctrine by these Protestants as before is cited For Hieremias Patriarke of Constantinople cheef in Hieremias Patriarcha constant in censura cap. 5. that Church in his censure against Protestants vseth these words in this article The doctrine that onely faith doth iustifie is a thinge moste horrible vnto or thie any Christian against the lawe of God and the light of nature Therefore these men mayntayning so horrible doctrine by the censure of the true Church as they teach and out of which as they affirme before there is no saluation remission of syns or hope of eternall life are so farre from being iust iustified or to be saued by faith or any other meanes in their proceedings that by their owne confession they haue left vnto themselues no hope of eternall life or saluation at all Moreouer I argue thus Nothing which cannot be defended without graunting and mayntayninge more new and straunge absurdities and impossibilities is or can be true doctrine But this Protestant assertion of their onely assuring faithe iustifying is such therefore it neither is nor can be true The first proposition is euidently true for euery truthe may and is defended without any absurditie or inconuenience The seconde proposition is also manifestly proued from D. Feild and others before To whome I add M. Wotton who laboureing what hee can to defend this his forged faithes iustification and answere that place
it But when a man is iustified there be such degrees of inherent Iustice and more or lesse iustification by it Therefore there is iustification by inherent grace and Iustice The Maior and first proposition is manifestly true The second is proued by D. Feild who Feild pag. 118. acknowledgeth the denyall of inherent grace to be vntruthe and is so farre ashamed of the Protestant opinion in this poynt that he writeth thus Luther neuer denyeth inherent Righteousnes to be more in one then in an other and more in Mary the Mother of Christ then in any other Then of necessitie there is inherent Iustice and grace in men iustified and men be iustified by it otherwise it is not Iustice or righteousnes if it doth not make men iust and righteous for being inherent as hee confesseth it must needes denominate the subiect wherein it is as all inherent and intrinsecall formes and qualities doe Heate colde bewtie c. make men and bodyes wherein they be inherent to be and be called truly hote colde bewtifull c. And seeing in iust men there be degrees of this inherent grace and Iustice encrease and accesse of it there must needs be inherent grace and Iustice for new degrees of encrease are not where the thing encreased is not Neither the comparatiue degree more but where the positiue is No man or thinge can be said to be better fayrer colder hotter c. then it was before except before it was good fayre colde hote c. Againe I argue in this maner whatsoeuer is the cause of glorie and encrease thereof in heauen is the cause of Iustice and Iustification from which such glorie cometh But inherent grace is the cause of glorie in heauen and the differences thereof Therefore it is the cause of iustification in earthe The Maior is euidently true And the Minor is proued by D. Feild in these words From this Imparitie of Inherent righteousnes it is that there Feild pag. 116. are so different degrees of Ioy and glory fownd amonge the Saincts of God that are in heauen Then seeing the difference and excesse of glorie and Ioy in heauen proceede from the imparitie of inherent righteousnes or Iustice and righteousnes or Iustice is the cause of glorie inherent Righteousnes or Iustice must needs be that by and for which wee are iustified in earth and glorified in heauen Thirdly from the same Protestant Doctor I argue thus All Iustice and glorie of man cometh either from inherent grace or imputed But not from imputed Therefore from that which is inherent The Maior is euident for all grace must needs be inherent or not inherent and if not inherent it is by imputation if any way at all The second proposition is proued by D. Feild who doth not onely renownce the error of equalitie of Ioyes and rewards in heauen taught by Iouinian and seemeing to followe vppon the Protestant doctrine of Iustification and glory by imputation of righteousnes but clearely also confesseth with Catholicks the recited Councell of Trent Ioyes and reward in heauen for inherent Iustice and not imputed righteousnes his words be these That there is an equalitie Feild pag. 140. of ioyes and reward in heauen imputed to Iouinian wee doe not hold Where his worde wee and plurall number proueth hee speaketh generally for Protestants And concerninge the second hee writeth thus from imputed righteousnes no imparitie of Ioy can flowe Then seeing the first sentēce graunteth an imparitie of Ioye and reward and the second affirmeth it cometh not from imputed righteousnes The third and conclusion must needs be this That bothe Ioy and reward in heauen and their degrees imparitie or inequalitie proceede from inherent Iustice My next Argument is this All grace wherewith mens soules in Sacraments or otherwise be filled and is infused into them must needs be inherent But grace of iustification and sanctification is such Therefore man is iustified by inherent grace The Maior is euident for fillinge and infusion is by putting in of things and not by imputation for no such thinge can fill any thinge The Minor is thus proued by D. Feild speakeing of children baptized and the like reason is of others His words be these Children when they are adopted and made Feild pag. 179. the sonnes of God when they are instified and sanctified are filled with habits or potentiall habilities of these vertues faith hope and loue The same Feild l. 1. c. 4. pag. 10. doctrine hee teacheth in an other place to be cited hereafter when I shall entreate of the grace and efficacie of Sacraments where this Article will be more declared For this time it is further confirmed by D. Couell who also in playne termes approueth Couell def of Hooker pag. 114. habituall and reall infusion of grace and concerning iustification auoncheth thus The doctrine of Luther in this poynt was not vniustly called Pag. 40. sup into question by those of the Romane Church And seemeth to laboure to reconcile that which hee esteemeth the best opinion of Protestants in this matter to that of the Churche of Rome Further I argue thus All that is a guift of God a qualitie in the soule an internall habite and infused from God is inherent But the grace of iustification is such Therefore it is inherent The first proposition is manifestly true the second is proued by M. Wotton def of Perk. pag. 81. 82. Wotton in these words Grace is some guift of God which is a qualitie in the soule And a little after The habits of grace be infused from God Lastely in this matter I reason thus whatsoeuer maketh euery true Christian to be righteous in the sight of God is true Iustice But Inherent grace maketh euery true Christian righteous in the sight of God Therefore inherent grace is true Iustice The Maior is manifestly true And the Minor thus playnely proued by M. Wotton in Wotton def of Perk. pag. 12. pag. 186. these words Wee acknowledge euery true Christian to be righteous in the sight of God by inherent Righteousnes And answering for Protestants and writing this for their acknowledgment in the plurall number would haue vs take it for their common opinion And thus Catholicke doctrine of inherent grace is directly and demonstratiuely proued to be true euen by Protestants And their deniall thereof together with their conceipt of imputatiue righteous also by themselues conuinced for false and erroneous Which is further confirmed by M. Higgons in his Sermon at Paules Crosse wherein speaking of the iust hee calleth them Parsons hauing Theoph. Higg Ser. 3. mart 1610. pag 24. grace dwelling in them And againe Wee haue inherent righteousnes in our selues Then seeing formes inherent doe and must needs denominate the subiect in which they inhere and be subiected as heate cold whitenes blacknes and the like are the true cause why those things in which they are subiected be named and truely are thinges hott cold white and blacke so
themselues to the Church of Rome and doctrine thereof as hee hath before aduised CHAPTER XIIII CONCERNINGE REVERENCE of holy Relicks WHEN I entreated before of the religeous vse of holy Imadges I would also haue spoken of this question the reuerence of holy Relicks being so neare and symbolizing doctrines had not the Relator of Religion before referred mee to an other course Therefore I will now speake thereof in which case the Catholick doctrine expressed in the Councell of Trent is this CoÌ„cil Trid. Sesi 9. Veneranda esse à fidelibus c. The bodies of Martyrs c. Are to be reuerenced of the faithfull According to which thus I argue in this Article by these Protestants That which was the doctrine of the primatiue Church in this question is true and what it coÌ„deÌ„ned for Heresie is false But the primatiue Church taught reuerence of Relicks as the present Romane Church now dothe and condemned the contrary of Protestants for Heresie Therefore the Catholicke doctrine is true in this controuersie and the contrary of Protestants false and Hereticall The Maior proposition is euidently true by often graunte before And the Minor is thus proued First D. Willet citeth and approueth S. Ambrose thus speaking Willet Antill pag. 201. Sutcliff Subu pag. 27. Pag. 50. of Valentinian deceased I will honor his Relicks and commend his gratious memorie D. Sutcliffe wittnesseth that S. Gregorie and S. Augustine that conuerted this nation esteemed much the relicks of Saincts And in their time Churches were built in the honor of Saints and their relicks worshipped And D. Willet with others Willet Antil pag. 13. acknowledge as they needs must that Vigilantius was condemned of heresie for denyall thereof in the primatiue Church and by the authoritie thereof Secondly I argue thus againe That which was the custome and doctrine of the primatiue Church may or is still to bee kept and defended But to pray at the monuments of Saincts and reuerence their Relicks was the custome and doctrine then Therefore still to bee kept and defended The Maior is euident and the Minor thus proued First M. Wotton Wotten def of Perk. pag. 9 hath these words It was the maner of the primatiue Church to pray at the Tombes of Martirs and the Christians assembled ordinarily where the Martirs were buried And to shew what they did there which hee would willingly haue concealed for hee loueth not prayers to Saints nor reuerence of their Relicks for which causes the primatiue Christians so there assembled hee citeth S. Hierome writing Wotten sup pag. 544. in this maner of holy Paula shee went into the Sepulchre and kissed the stone of his Resurrection which the Angell had remoued from the dore of the Tombe the place of his bodie where the Lord had lien as if shee had thristed for the desired waters shee liâ—kâ—d with her faithfull tonge D. Downame writeth the like of the holy pilgrimadge of that blessed woman And to giue moste conuincing instance and proofe in this matter M. Perkins in his Problema writeth thus Primitiua Perkins problem pag. 81. Ecclesia honorauit veneratione prosecuta est reliquias mortuorum The primatiue Church did honour and prosecute with reuerence the Relicks of the deade Thirdly thus I argue That vsadge and behauiour which was lawfull to the Iewes and practized of them towards their Reliks is now in the time of grace giuen by Christ as lawfull for Christians towards their holy Relicks and things But the true faithfull Iewes lawfully vsed reuerence and honour to their Relicks Therefore it is lawfull to Christians to doe the like The Maior is euident this beeing no ceremoniall or legall thinge abrogated by Christ but rather confirmed by making the things of his lawe and Ghospell more reuerentiall then the figuratiue was The Minor is thus proued by M. Wotton in these words You bringe diuers Wotton def of Perk. pag. 581. proofes that the Arke was had in greate reuerence all needlesse for whoe denies it and againe The Iewes saith Hierome in foretimes worshipped the holy of holies because there were the Cherubins and the propitiatorie and the arke of the testament Manna Aarons rodd and the golden altare and further in this maner Hee speakes not of worshippinge the Pag. 581. 582. Arke but the holy of holyes because of the things that were in it Hee makes the Propitiatorie Manna Aarons Rod and the golden Altare causes of that worship as well as the Cherubins In the words followinge hee counts the Sepulchre of our Lord more worthie of worâ—hip Then seeing those Relicks vnder the lawe and before Christ the meritorious cause of all grace and such excellencie were so worthie of worshipp and reuerence that they were not onely reuerenced in themselues but other things were worshipped and reuerenced because of them and yett by this Iudgment the Relicks in Christianitie as the Sepulchre no part of Christ but the place of his sacred bodies some few howers lyeing there are more worthie of worship as this Protestant writer confesseth wee may not deny this Reuerence and the Catholick doctrine thereof to bee holy euen by English Protestants sentence Lastely thus I argue from the generall practice of English Protestants if it is lawfull to giue ciuill reuerence to the bodie of a noble man or woman deceased because they were noble and honored when they liued much more reason there is to giue religeous and spirituall Reuerence to the bodie of a Saint holy and honored by God and man when hee lyued and now in Ioyes in heauen truely and for euer honorable But the Antecedent is true by English Protetestants whoe by their Heralds of armes allowe and practice that all Inferiours shall giue and yeeld the same honour to the bodie of the honorable parson deceased that was due vnto him lyuing his soule and bodie beeing vnited and this though in all morall Iudgment the soule of such an one is damned And this is the custome and ceremonie not onely with Heralds but vsed in Court ratified by their Bishops Doctors and Vniuersities as many and late examples teache which I will vrge no further but desire all may liue and die well that they may leaue behinde them sufficient or some motiue eyther to bee honored or helped by the prayers and deuotions of the lyuinge The consequence is euidently true and thus demonstrated for as excellencie is the cause of honor and ciuill excellency of ciuill and terrene honor so spirituall or religeous excellency of spirituall and such honor And much more for the ciuill honor and motiue thereof is onely ens rationis an inuention worthines and attribute of men and nothing at all Inherent in the bodie or soule of the partie so honored when the other excellency and cause of honor is both permanent and an Inherent dignitie as is proued before of inherent Iustice and for euer remayneth in the soule glorified in the presence of God his Saints and Angells in heauen and
impressed in the soule that is a certaine spirituall and indeleble signe that they may not bee iterated For proofe of which doctrine by English Protestants I argue in this Maner That doctrine which is taught by the Greeke Church neither hereticall nor Scismatical but orthodoxe by these Protestants ot by a generall Councell whose decree and sentence bindeth all is to bee allowed by them much more if both those their Rules so confirme it But the doctrine of this Indeleble character in the Sacraments of Baptisme Confirmation and Orders is taught and approued both by the Greeke Church and a generall Councell that of Florence for such allowed by them before Therefore it ought to bee embraced by them The Maior is euidently true by their graunt before And the Minor thus proued First the Greeke Church by Hieremias their Patriarke in their Censure Hierem. in censur cap. 11. vppon Protestants in the eleuenth chapter hath so censured And the generall Councel of Florence with the assert of the same Greeke Church Armenians Iacobines and all Christendome hath defined it in these words Inter haec Sacramenta tria sunt Baptismus Cōcil Flor. in vnion Arm. Confirmatio Ordo quae Characterem i. spirituale quoddam signum à caeteris distinctum imprimunt in anima indelebile c. Among these Sacraments there are three Baptisme Confirmation and Order which impresse in the soule a Character that is a certaine spirituall signe distinct from others indeleble wherevppon they are not Iterated in the same parson but the other fowre do not Impresse a Character and admitt Iteration To bee breife I argue thus once for all That doctrine which is generally maintained not onely by all professors of it but also acknowledged and defended by them that bee esteemed learned among the enemies thereof and professe the same Religion with them is true But this doctrine of a Character is such Therefore it is true The Maior is euidently apparēt for no more then frends and Aduersaries learned can consent to any truth The Minor is thus proued by these Protestant Doctors following Ioyning in Religion with them that impugne and persecute the Church of Rome First D. Feild Feild l. 1. cap. 15. acknowledgeth a Character in Baptisme and to remayne euen in the excommunicate And so indeleble D. Couell affirmeth the same of Baptisme and Orders and seemeth to insinuate it of Confirmation Hee writeth of it in these words It is not amisse both termed a kind of Marke Couell def of Hook pa. 87. 88. 91. or character And confesseth it to bee Indeleble And for Orders hee addeth thus For ministeriall power is a worke of seperation because it seuereth them that haue it from other men maketh them a speciall order consecrated vnto the seruice of the moste highe in things wherewith others may not meddle I call it indeleble because they which haue once receiued this power may not thinke to putt it of and on like a cloake as the wether serueth And againe in this maner Where there is a chaunge of estate with an Sup. pag. 91 Impossibilitie to returne there wee haue reason to account an Indeleble Character to bee imprinted This saith the Church of Rome is in Baptisme Confirmation and Order This forme figure or Character is called Indeleble because that is not to bee reiterated as Protestants confesse of Baptisme Confirmation and Orders from whence it cometh The Character of Order is an actiue power as the schoolemen speake which giueth an Abilitie publickly to administer the Sacraments vnto those whome the Church hath esteemed fitt The Character of Baptisme is a passiue power which maketh men fitt to receaue the rest And from hence not onely is proued in as playne words as any schooleman or other Catholicke can speake the Catholicke opinion of a Character but also that Orders and others besides them allowed for Sacraments are to bee so esteemed as his last wordes the rest insinuate And this sufficeth of this Question CHAPTER XXI PROVING BY THESE PROTEstants that the Sacraments of the Ghospell giue grace and as the schooles speake ex opere operato by the vvorke vvrought CONCERNING the validitie and grace of Sacraments The Councell of Trent defineth thus If any Cōcil Trid. Sess 7. man shall say that the Sacraments of the new lawe do not giue grace by the worke wrought opere operato but that onely faith of the promise of God sufficeth to obtaine grace lett him bee Anathema And to demonstrate that the present Protestants of England are or by their owne writings ought to bee of the same opinion thus I argue Whatsoeuer Catholicke doctrine of the Romane Church is confirmed both by the publicke proceedings and priuate writings of the Protestants of England ought to bee allowed and embraced by them But the doctrine of the Romane Church concerning the efficacie of Sacraments that they cause grace in the worthie and duely disposed Receauers of them and that ex opere operato as the Councell before and our schooles speake is such Therefore it ought to bee allowed and embraced by them for true The Maior is euidently true and cannot bee denied for no man may or can hold against his owne opinion or that publicke Rule and Authoritie to which hee hath subscribed and submitted himself in Religion The second proposition is thus proued and first by that cheefe Rule their booke of Articles Booke of Articl of Relig. art 25. to which they haue all subscribed where it is thus defined in their Religion Sacraments ordeyned of Christ are effectuall signes of grace and Gods good will towards vs by the which hee doth worke inuisibly in vs. And againe in their newly reformed communion booke in these words By this words Sacrament I meane an Comm. Booke refor titul Catechis outward and visible signe of an inward and spirituall grace giuen vnto vs ordeyned by Christ himself as a meanes whereby wee receaue the same Therefore beeing graunted by the greatest Rules of Religion which English Protestants haue that Sacraments bee effectuall of grace and Gods fauour giuing grace and meanes whereby wee receaue grace And all English Protestants Ministers haue subscribed to these doctrines in those bookes They must needs graunt that Sacraments bee causes of grace for among causes the efficient and effectuall is not onely a cause but of extrinsecall causes by many degrees the cheifest And beeing allowed for such Instruments and meanes by which God worketh inuisibly in vs and giueth grace and wee so receaue grace as their words bee They must needs bee true instrumental causes of grace and such worke in vs. And their same practicall Rule of their Religion the Communion booke hath the same doctrine concerning Baptisme and consequently of all others proued by them to bee Sacraments one and the same reason beeing of all for in the Treatise of Baptisme thus it prescribeth the Minister to speake vnto God By the Baptisme of Comm. Booke Titul publick
Baptisme §. Almightie and euerlasting §. allmightie and immortall God c. sup thy well beloned Sonne IHESVS CHRIST diddest sanctifie the flood Iordan and other waters to the misticall washing away of sinne And in the next prayer they pray in these words Wee call vppon thee for these Infants that they comming to thy holy Baptisme may receaue remission of their sinnes by spirituall Regeneration Then seeing the Sacrament and water of Baptisme washeth away sinnes and remitteth sinnes which cannot bee done without grace it must needs haue an Influence causalitie and efficacie in this sanctification for to washe and to remitt are not without operation and causing Neither can those Protestant Bishops and Doctors that were assembled at the conference at Hampton Court bee of other minde for Confâ—rence at HamptoÌ„ pag. 16. graunting as there they do a necessitie of Baptisme to saluation They must also of necessitie teach that it giueth grace which is so necessarie to saluation that no man can bee saued without it for so hee might bee saued without Christ And this as before they must graunt except they would say which none of them to my remembrance doth that it is onely conditio sine qua non a necessarie condition but no cause which if any man should affirme it is directly against his subscribed Rule befote Now lett vs come to their particular writers of which the first to bee cited the Author of the Suruey of the communion Booke confirmeth that which I haue concluded by their publicke Rules in this case telling vs plainely that by the publicke Protestant The Protestant Suruey of the Booke of common prayer pag. 104. 118. 89. 141. 103. 104. Feild pag. 10. 179 Middleton papâ—stom pag. 108. Pag 106. Religion of England Sacraments or meanes of grace and do worke ex opere operato by the worke done As the Catholick Councell of Trent hath before defined D. Feild acknowledgeth no lesse and affirmeth plainely that the water of Baptisme is filled with sanctifying force and power Therefore it is a cause of grace and such sanctification M. Middleton speaketh of communion in these termes It doth exhibite and conuey the graces and merits of Christs passion vnto vs. And hee nameth it an effectuall Instrument of grace And of Sacraments thus hee writeth They are effectuall Instruments of our regeneration Pag. 100. Sutcliff Ans to thâ— lay pet pag. 22. Sutcliff ag D. Kell pag. 69. D. Sutcliffe besides the matter and forme of a Sacrament instituted by Christ requireth vnto it grace and Iustification And writeth further in these wordes Wee confesse that God worketh sanctification by the Sacraments of the new testament D. Couell commending the opinion of the Catholicke scholemen in this Question Couell def of Hook pag 96. 97 98. 99. 100 101. 102. c. Against Burges pag. 101. 102. 103. and def sup pag. 96 teacheth Sacraments bee Instruments of grace causes of sanctification giue grace instrumentally His words bee these The Sacraments are not onely signes but causes of our Iustification And reciting the opinion of our Catholicke scholes approueth and expoundeth it in this maner Agent causes wee know are of two sortes principall which worketh by vertue and power of his forme as fier maketh hoate and thus nothing can cause grace but God himself grace beeing a participation of the diuine nature Instrumentall which worketh not as the other by the vertue of his owne proper forme but onely by that Motion which it hath from the principall and first Agent Thus do Sacraments worke And further allowing and expounding the schoole phrase and doctrine that Sacraments worke by the worke done ex opere operato hee iustifieth the same and sheweth how the Church of Rome hath beene slaundered by Protestants in this point his wordes bee these The Sacraments bee Couell sup pag. 97. effectuall meanes and vessels of grace as glasses conteyning potions to cure the sicke Neither doth any man say no not the Church of Rome allthough they bee so accused by some of vs That the Sacraments worke of themselues by a vertue resigned vnto them without God God worketh by them as by Instruments powerfull and thought in his wisedome fittest The Sacraments are powerfull meanes of Regeneration hauing by a diuine ordination a force and vertue to begett faith And therefore iustly amongst all the Treasures that God hath left vnto his Church wee honour and admire most the holy Sacraments And againe Sacraments Couell sup pag. 98. Pag. 99. are the powerfull Instruments of God vnto eternall life And further thus It is a strong growing fancie to bee afraide to say that the Sacraments begett faith Sacraments giue grace by the worke done ex opere operato And reciting what things are required to the due receauing of Sacraments concludeth thus Now that which in all Pag. 99. sup this actiuely and instrumentally bringeth grace is the externall Action which is commonly called the Sacrament this hauing vertue from his Institution And hee doth not onely Ioyne with the Church of Rome as before in this Article But for it approueth the decrees of our Popes and Councells euen of Trent it self in this maner Wee say with the Auncient fathers Stepbanus Siricius Couell sup pag. 102. Innocentius the first Leo Anastasius the seconde all Popes of Rome in his Epistle to Anastasius the Emperor with the Councells first the generall Councell of Nyce the first Councell of Carthage the laste assembly at Trent with the testimonies of the Fathers and Doctors that the Sacraments for the Institution of Christ and his promise are effectuall c. And thus much from these Protestants themselues against themselues for those sacred and Catholicke doctrines of the Romane Church for the moste Iust and worthy defence and profession whereof they haue so longe time so rigorously and Iniuriously against their owne sentence persecuted their naturall frends and Catholicke Contrymen Hereafter God of his mercie graunt vnto them and all Enemies of his holy Church grace to knowe the truthe and to professe and followe it when they knowe it FINIS The faultes escaped in printing are thus to be corrected PAge 15 line 2. for are reade as p. 23. l. 19. heaps heads p. 32. l. 15. poort part p. 41. l. 10. same sonne p. 97. l. 2. so see p. 127. l. 11. appeace appeare p. 140. l. 7. curried carried p. 144. l. vlt. and and his p. 152. l. 2. prayer prayed p. 190. l. 8. shrouke shronke p. 198. l. 23. daes deedes p. 211. l. 5 full fall p. 221. l. 2. man many Ibid. l. 10. vsers vsurers p. 257. l. 7. stafe state p. 268. l 19. second sownd p. 271. l. 22. deuent deuout p. 272. l. 10. times his times greater then his p. 280. l. 2. vnderstand vnderstood p. 299. l. 2. when the lett when they fitt p. 314. l. 9. rebeace repeale p. 324. l. 15. the them p. 326. l. 4. same shame p. 363 l. 14. entroades oathes p. 401. l. 20. words word p. 403. l. 7. or ar APPROBATIO Iste Liber qui Inscribitur English Protestants Recantation à quodam viro docto pio mihique familiariter noto coÌ„positus à me perlectus nihil continet quod fidei Catholicae vel bonis moribus aduersetur sed doctissimè haereticos huius temporis Angliae praesertim per ipsorummet coÌ„fessionem refutat In cuius rei testimonium nomen meum subscripsi Die 19. Iulij 1617. MATTHAEVS KELLISONVS Huius iudicio subscripsit die 27. Iulij Georgius Coluenerius S. Theol. Doctor Professor ac Librorum Censor
Minor now thus proued by them M. Perkins speaching of the doctrine of that time in the Church in this matter speaketh thus There was in the Church Intercessio singularium Perlins probl pag. 89. prosingularibus Intercession to Saincts in particular for men or things in particular This hee testifieth for inuocation to Saincts and their prayers for men in particular for hee had with other Protestants graunted before a generall Intercession of the Saincts for those that lyue Pag. 88 sup And citeth for particular inuocation the histories of Eusebius and Palladius And addeth further thus The auncient Fathers were wont in their Masses In liturgijs to recite the names of Pag. 89. sup Martyrs and Saincts requiring further and asking our Lord that hee would graunt this or that by their prayers or intercessions Hee might haue Pag. 93. sup added more with truth if it had pleased him that those Auncient Masses or liturgies had diuers particular prayers vnto Saincts And this doctrine of particular prayer and inuocation of Saincts was so generally vsed both in the publicke Masses and by the Fathers of that time That this Protestant writer both freely acknowledgeth it and calleth it syn and sacriledge in them his words be these The auntient Fathers especially Perkins sup pag. 93. after 400. yeares of Christ did syn in the inuocation of Saincts yea were guiltie of sacriledge And for this doctrine so chargeth amonge others these holy and learned Fathers S. Pag. 94. sup Paulinus Fortunatus S. Leo S. Ephrem S. Fulgentius P. Damianus Prosper c. And this is the straunge Idolatrie wherewith some of these men haue so fondly accused Catholicks and therefore notwithstanding all their shewe of desire to be tryed by the Fathers M. Ormerod seeing how they Ormerod pict pap pag. 26. condemne Protestants for deniall of this prayer and inuocation speaketh thus of those holy and learned Fathers They did not ponderously consider of this question Is not this a ponderous consideration of so worthie a Protestant writer to condemne all antiquitie of want of consideration when the lett not with his humour and yet hee writeth further thus Allthough the Auncient Fathers Pag. 27. sup had all ioyntly embraced this opinion yet are not wee therefore bownd to receaue it Where hee dealeth as old Protestants were vsed to doe not to regard any Authoritie but what pleaseth them But to proue by the confession of Protestants that this was the doctrine of the primatiue Church this is sufficient Yet I add M. Middleton who writeth Middleton papistom pag. 129. thus Austin teacheth vs That Christians celebrated the memories of Martyrs for these two intents That wee may be associate to their meritts and holpen with their prayers And D. Morton alledgeth Morton Apol. part 1. pag. 227. 228. how all Antiquitie taught inuocation of Saincts Lastely in this Question I argue thus No doctrine which denieth any Article of our Creede is true or to be receaued But the deniall of Angells and more strongely of Saincts whose Communion is in the Creede to offer vpp our prayers which wee in earth make is to deny an Article of our Creede Therefore it is not true nor to be receaued The Maior is euident by Protestants The Minor is thus proued by D. Couell Couell against Burges pag. 89. who disputing against Burges the puritane who called this an vsurping vntruthe and taxed the Booke of Tobias because there the Angell saide hee was one of the seuen holy Angells that offer vp the prayers of the Saincts of God Answereth Couell sup pag. 90. in these words If it be an an vsurped vntruthe for the Angells to offer vp the prayers of the Church vnto God in the mediation of his sonne wee shall peraduenture depriue our selues of a greate parte of their Ministery and dissolue that communion of Saincts which wee professe to beleeue as an Article of Gods truthe Therefore I will by these Protestants conclude in this matter that the doctrine of the Romane Church herein is Orthodoxe and true and the contrary heretofore taught by Protestants false and impious And the rather because it seemeth by the Kings Canons to be excommunication Kings Canons An. 1604. can 8. to deny this Catholicke doctrine for in these Canons it is excommunication Ipso facto to affirme or teach that the forme and maner of making and consecrating Bishops Preists and deacens conteyneth any thinge in it that is repugnant to the word of God And yet the Protestant Author of the booke called Abridgment thus Abridgmēt An. 1605. pag. 30. testifieth of the oathe in that Booke of ordination The oathe of supreamacie is thus concluded so helpe mee God and all Saincts and the holy Euangelists Which the late edition by Barker Booke of Mak. Bish c deacons Oath sup hath left out The Churches that were dedicated to Saints in this Kingedome euen in the time of the Christian Britaynes and Saxons after the honor and worship that was done and due vnto them how they are named euen by Protestants the Tutelar patrons of our nation there be to many Theat of gr Britan. Examples in the late Theater to be recited CHAPTER XI WHEREIN IS PROVED BY these English Protestant writers that the Ceremonies of the Romane Church so much heretofore impugned by them are now contrariwise in their Iudgment adiudged holy auncient reuerent decent c. THE third thinge which the Protestant Relator in this his desired Attonement requireth the Church of Rome to giue ouer is to leaue their offensyue Ceremonies as hee termeth them what they be in particular hee doth not expresse but by the writings of others his Associates in Religion wee may iustely suppose hee moste aymeth at the ceremonyes vsed in the holy sacrifice of Masse crossings candells and such as I will iustifie by themselues in this Chapter particularly reciting them or the cheefest which I now omitt in this place to auoyde Repetitions to which I am often forced And first concerninge Ceremonyes by what Authoritie they may be ordayned and being so duely ordayned of what authoritie and reuerent estimation they ought to be ensueth thus by these Protestants Their publicke Articles haue thus Articul Relig. 20. sentenced The Church hath power to decree Rites or ceremonyes and authoritie in controuersies of faith Then much more must that her authoritie needs extend to accidentall things in Religion such as these ceremonies are D. Couell Couell modest examinat pag. 64. 65. telleth vs they be to be had in such Respect that to vse his words The primatiue Councells haue condemned them as Hereticks onely for being stiffely opposite in this kinde And entreateth Couell sup pag. 56. of them in these words following Wee call them Ceremonies properly all such things as are the externall Act of Religion which haue their commendation and allow ance from no other cause but onely that in Gods worshipp they are vertuous furtherances of his
honor And after hee had thus defined Pag. 58. 59. or described them hee doth also diuide them in this order and in these words All Ceremonies may be diuided thus some were for iustifications such as the lawe commaunded whereby the obseruer was made more purified and more holy In place whereof afterward succeeded those that were for ornament and to signifie such vertues as were requisite in those parties that rightly vse them Secondly in Respect of the Author some were ordinances of nature as to looke vp to heauen to lyft vp the hands to howe the knees to knocke the breast and such like when wee pray things vsed in their deuotion by the Heathens themselues others were appointed by God himself some by the Apostles and Bishops that succeeded in their place thirdly some in the parts of the immediate worship as sacrifice prayer adoration and such-like some onely dispose as fasting austere liuing some are onely instruments as Churches Altares chalices and all those which religeously beinge seperated serue onely to make the deuotion more solemne and that solemnitie to be more holy Fourthly of these some respect parsons some times some other concerne places all which concurringe in a dyuine worship are with Ceremonyes by seperation made sacred and so fitter to serue vnto holy vses Lastely some are particular some more generall and vniuersall And hauing thus entreated Couell supr pag. 65. of the originall description and diuision of Ceremonies hee writeth further of their necessitie in this maner There is nothinge can be a surer preseruer of Religion then to keepe it from contempt a thinge not easely done where it is left destitute and depriued of holy Ceremonies For the principall excellency of our Religion being spirituall is not easely obserued of the greatet number which are carnall and therefore wee propownde not naked mysteryes but cloathe them that these offeringe to the sences a certayne Maiestie may be receaued of the minde with a greater Reuerence And therefore some of the Fathers accounting them as the shell to the kernell haue saide that noe Religion either true or false was able to consist without them Hitherto the words of this Protestant Doctor From which I first argue in this maner Whatsoeuer Religion omitteth and neglecteth those things which are so necessarie for the preseruation of true Religion that it cannot consist without them cannot be the true Religion But the English Protestant Religion is such therefore it cannot be true The first proposition is euidently true in the light of nature for any thinge that is necessarie for the preseruation of an other cannot be seperated from it The second proposition is likewise Manifest for the Protestants of England neither esteeme so of Ceremonies as this Doctor telleth vs they ought to be accompted of neither retayne such Ceremonies as his diuisions comprehend as is euident Therefore the Romane Church is true and the Ceremonies thereof holy otherwise there should be no true Church or Ceremonies practized and consequently no true Religion by this Doctor before Againe supposing as before is graunted by these Protestants that either their Church Religion and Ceremonies or the Romane Church Religion and Ceremonies be true I argue thus No Church or Religion which omitteth and denyeth those holy Ceremonies which are parts of the immediate worship and the Instruments thereof can be the true Church and Religion But contrariwise that which embraceth and alloweth them But the Protestant English Church omitteth and denieth ceremonyes parts of the immediate worshippe and the instruments thereof that is sacrifice altares c. which D. Couell telleth vs before to be such and the Romane Church embraceth and alloweth them Therefore the Romane Church and Ceremonyes and not the Protestants are true Bothe the propositions are manifest Therefore the Ceremonyes of the Romane Church be holy reuerent c. otherwise no true Church and Religion could haue them or be such Thirdly I argue thus The true Church hath power to decree Rites or Ceremonies and consequently to bynde others to receaue them and not reiect them But by Part. 1. cap. 2. the graunt of Protestants in the first part the Romane Church was the true Church when it ordayned all ceremonies now vsed in it Therefore they ought to be vsed and bynde all men to receaue them and so are consequently holy decent reuerent c. The Maior proposition consisteth of the Articul Relig. 20. words of their allowed article before cited And the second proposition largely proued by these Protestants as I haue cited And by D. Couells citation it would haue been accompted Couell modest examinat pag. 64. 65. Heresie in the primatiue Church to haue beene stiffely opposite in this kinde Therefore Protestants may not deny them vnder such perill in his Iudgment Further thus I argue Those which be the Ceremonies of that Church which the English Protestants acknowledge for the true Church are to be receaued for holy decent reuerent c But the Ceremonies of the Romane Church that now is be the Ceremonies of the Lord Protestant Archbishops and D. Feilds and others true Church the present Greeke Church Therefore they are to be receaued as holy decent c. The Maior is manifestly true out of their Article before and their writers Articul 20. sup against the puritans The Minor is proued out of the Protestant Relator of Religion who speaking of them of the present Greeke Relation cap. 53. or cap. 54. Church writeth thus With Rome they concurre in the opinion of Transsubstantiation and generally in the seruice and whole bodie of the Masse in praying to Saincts in auricular confession in offering of sacrifice and prayer for the deade and in these without any or with no materiall difference They holde purgatorie also and worshipping of pictures for the forme and ceremonyes of the Masse they much Cap. 55. sup resemble the Latines In crosseings they are verie plentifull Their liturgies be the same that in the old time namely S. Basils S. Chrisostomes and S. Gregoryes Cap. 53. or 54. translated without any bending of them to that chaunge of languadge which their tonge hath suffered In summe all those opinions which grew into the Church before that seperation betweene the Greekes and Latines and all those ceremonies which were common vnto bothe they still retayne as their Crosseings and Tapers with others Thus they haue proued not onely that the Ceremonies of the Romane Church agree with or be the same with those of that Church which they teach to be the true Church but to haue beene vsed in the primatyue Church in the Masses of S. Basile S. Chrisostome and S. Gregorie the greate Pope of Rome the laste that added any thing to that Masse which the Romane Church now vseth and is also vsed amonge the Gretians themselues being translated into Greeke as this Relator wittnesseth And this will moste playnely further appeare in that hee sayth the Greekes agree with the