Selected quad for the lemma: cause_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
cause_n	authority_n	church_n	see_v	1,737	5	3.7569	3	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A92075	The Cyprianick-Bishop examined, and found not to be a diocesan, nor to have superior power to a parish minister, or Presbyterian moderator being an answer to J.S. his Principles of the Cyprianick-age, with regard to episcopal power & jurisdiction : together with an appendix, in answer to a railing preface to a book, entituled, The fundamental charter of presbytery / by Gilbert Rule ...	Rule, Gilbert, 1629?-1701.	1696 (1696)	Wing R2218; ESTC R42297	93,522	126

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against_o felicissimus_n and_o augendus_n which_o they_o execute_v against_o they_o and_o some_o other_o if_o this_o discourse_n prove_v such_o a_o power_n of_o delegation_n it_o will_v also_o prove_v such_o a_o power_n in_o one_o bishop_n over_o another_o which_o our_o author_n will_v not_o allow_v see_v he_o assert_v p._n 27_o 28_o 35._o that_o every_o bishop_n be_v supreme_a and_o have_v no_o ecclesiastical_a superior_n on_o earth_n 2._o send_v a_o messenger_n to_o do_v for_o we_o what_o we_o be_v restrain_v from_o do_v be_v not_o always_o a_o act_n of_o authority_n one_o friend_n may_v send_v another_o if_o he_o yield_v to_o it_o as_o well_o as_o a_o master_n may_v send_v his_o servant_n 3._o that_o which_o have_v most_o weight_n in_o our_o main_a cause_n though_o it_o be_v impertinent_a to_o the_o present_a purpose_n be_v that_o these_o person_n be_v to_o excommunicate_v felicissimus_n etc._n etc._n to_o which_o i_o answer_v that_o this_o excommunication_n may_v be_v determine_v by_o the_o presbytery_n and_o it_o be_v cyprian_n part_n as_o moderator_n to_o intimate_v it_o for_o which_o he_o substitute_v the_o person_n name_v here_o be_v no_o sole_a power_n of_o excommunication_n this_o be_v countenance_v by_o cyprian_n own_v word_n in_o that_o ep._n §_o 2._o that_o felicissimus_n have_v despise_v both_o he_o and_o the_o presbytery_n nec_fw-la meo_fw-la honore_fw-la motus_fw-la nec_fw-la vestra_fw-la authoritate_fw-la fractus_fw-la it_o seem_v he_o have_v be_v try_v before_o they_o and_o sentence_v for_o contumacy_n further_o he_o be_v also_o suspect_v of_o adultery_n which_o cyprian_n will_v not_o judge_v by_o himself_o but_o refer_v it_o to_o their_o meeting_n ibid._n §_o 48._o have_v now_o examine_v our_o author_n first_o principle_n i_o proceed_v to_o the_o second_o which_o he_o advance_v p._n 50_o etc._n etc._n it_o be_v that_o in_o every_o thing_n relate_v to_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n and_o her_o discipline_n the_o bishop_n have_v a_o 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consistory_n by_o which_o the_o affair_n of_o the_o congregation_n be_v manage_v these_o i_o confess_v can_v administer_v no_o sacrament_n neither_o without_o nor_o with_o the_o bishop_n licence_n and_o for_o act_n of_o rule_v in_o the_o church_n it_o be_v probable_a enough_o that_o they_o can_v do_v nothing_o without_o he_o who_o be_v praeses_fw-la in_o their_o meeting_n except_o may_v be_v in_o some_o extraordinary_a case_n 2._o there_o be_v in_o some_o church_n especial_o in_o great_a city_n some_o presbyter_n who_o be_v ordain_v to_o the_o work_n of_o the_o ministry_n but_o have_v no_o particular_a charge_n and_o be_v as_o our_o probationer_n or_o student_n in_o divinity_n school_n only_o with_o this_o difference_n that_o we_o be_v not_o ordain_v these_o may_v not_o baptise_v nor_o administer_v the_o eucharist_n yea_o nor_o preach_v without_o the_o allowance_n of_o the_o bishop_n or_o parish_n minister_n and_o it_o be_v so_o also_o among_o we_o if_o some_o ordain_v minister_n happen_v to_o live_v in_o a_o parish_n whereof_o they_o be_v not_o pastor_n as_o sometime_o fall_v out_o in_o great_a city_n it_o be_v disorderly_a for_o they_o to_o exercise_v their_o ministry_n within_o another_o man_n charge_n without_o his_o call_n or_o allowance_n these_o presbyter_n in_o cyprian_n time_n be_v in_o something_n like_o evangelist_n who_o the_o bishop_n employ_v when_o themselves_o can_v not_o overtake_v all_o their_o work_n and_o if_o these_o be_v call_v the_o bishop_n curate_n as_o our_o author_n do_v all_o presbyter_n i_o shall_v not_o much_o reclaim_v these_o be_v as_o the_o son_n of_o the_o prophet_n breed_v by_o the_o bishop_n for_o the_o ministry_n of_o this_o sort_n of_o presbyter_n see_v p._n baynes_n diocesan_n trial_n p._n 63._o a_o three_o sort_n of_o presbyter_n be_v the_o minister_n of_o the_o several_a parish_n among_o who_o the_o moderator_n of_o the_o presbytery_n or_o other_o church_n judicatory_a be_v in_o a_o peculiar_a manner_n call_v the_o bishop_n and_o they_o also_o often_o be_v call_v bishop_n with_o respect_n to_o their_o own_o parochial_a charge_n now_o if_o our_o author_n mean_a that_o a_o bishop_n in_o a_o city_n have_v such_o power_n over_o the_o presbyter_n or_o minister_n in_o the_o village_n or_o place_n about_o that_o they_o may_v not_o baptise_v etc._n etc._n without_o his_o allowance_n i_o utter_o deny_v it_o and_o maintain_v that_o every_o such_o presbyter_n minister_n or_o parochial_a bishop_n by_o what_o ever_o name_n you_o design_v he_o have_v in_o cyprian_n time_n as_o full_a power_n in_o his_o parish_n as_o the_o great_a bishop_n have_v in_o his_o though_o the_o one_o be_v more_o in_o esteem_n than_o the_o other_o §_o 49._o i_o shall_v now_o consider_v his_o proof_n for_o what_o he_o affirm_v he_o begin_v with_o baptism_n and_o pretend_v to_o prove_v that_o presbyter_n can_v not_o baptise_v without_o the_o bishop_n leave_n his_o first_o citation_n be_v cyprian_a say_v bishop_n give_v the_o first_o baptism_n to_o believer_n which_o we_o deny_v not_o if_o you_o understand_v it_o of_o parish_n minister_n but_o if_o he_o mean_v bishop_n in_o city_n who_o be_v the_o precedent_n in_o presbytery_n we_o deny_v that_o cyprian_a assert_v that_o his_o next_o testimony_n be_v out_o of_o cyprian_a ep._n 73._o and_o firmil_n and_o fortunatus_n bishop_n of_o thurobaris_n but_o it_o be_v evident_a and_o he_o confess_v it_o that_o the_o question_n by_o they_o treat_v be_v whether_o presbyter_n who_o by_o heresy_n or_o schism_n have_v depart_v from_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n may_v baptise_v and_o if_o they_o they_o do_v whether_o that_o baptism_n be_v valid_a or_o the_o person_n be_v to_o be_v again_o baptise_a and_o that_o baptism_n esteem_v null_a and_o in_o this_o we_o do_v so_o far_o agree_v with_o these_o father_n as_o to_o think_v that_o all_o the_o administration_n of_o such_o heretic_n or_o schismatic_n be_v irregular_a and_o to_o be_v condemn_v and_o that_o none_o ought_v so_o to_o separate_v from_o the_o church_n while_o she_o keep_v the_o way_n of_o truth_n and_o require_v no_o unlawful_a term_n of_o communion_n of_o her_o minister_n or_o other_o member_n but_o none_o of_o these_o father_n do_v ever_o assert_v that_o in_o the_o church_n a_o sound_a presbyter_n can_v not_o baptise_v without_o the_o bishop_n leave_n within_o the_o limit_n of_o his_o own_o charge_n that_o they_o mean_v no_o more_o than_o i_o say_v be_v evident_a for_o they_o plead_v that_o none_o can_v baptise_v out_o of_o the_o church_n nor_o bind_v or_o loose_v out_o of_o the_o church_n and_o they_o say_v express_o that_o none_o can_v baptise_v but_o they_o who_o be_v found_v in_o the_o evangelical_n law_n and_o i_o hope_v it_o will_v not_o be_v deny_v that_o minister_n of_o congregation_n be_v found_v on_o that_o law_n as_o well_o as_o these_o of_o great_a city_n who_o be_v then_o call_v bishop_n because_o of_o their_o praecedency_n in_o church_n meeting_n that_o bishop_n be_v name_v in_o these_o reason_n as_o have_v the_o power_n of_o baptise_v make_v nothing_o against_o we_o because_o all_o parish_n minister_n be_v so_o call_v and_o none_o without_o their_o allowance_n ought_v to_o intrude_v on_o their_o charge_n in_o this_o or_o any_o other_o administration_n and_o because_o the_o authority_n for_o baptise_v and_o other_o church_n work_n be_v communicate_v from_o the_o presbytery_n by_o their_o president_n the_o bishop_n he_o indeed_o give_v the_o power_n but_o not_o by_o his_o own_o sole_a authority_n but_o by_o that_o of_o the_o presbytery_n the_o testimony_n of_o tertullian_n come_v next_o who_o say_v de_fw-la baptismo_fw-la cap._n 17._o the_o high_a priest_n who_o be_v the_o bishop_n have_v the_o power_n of_o baptise_v and_o after_o he_o or_o in_o subordination_n to_o he_o say_v our_o author_n presbyter_n and_o deacon_n a._n 1._o tertullian_n do_v not_o speak_v of_o bishop_n as_o distinct_a from_o the_o

epistle_n from_o the_o clergy_n of_o rome_n while_o they_o want_v a_o bishop_n to_o the_o clergy_n of_o carthage_n when_o their_o bishop_n be_v in_o his_o retirement_n in_o which_o case_n say_v he_o they_o have_v the_o best_a occasion_n of_o speak_v their_o mind_n free_o of_o the_o power_n of_o presbyter_n and_o the_o usurpation_n of_o bishop_n in_o this_o epistle_n he_o fanci_v that_o he_o find_v argument_n for_o episcopal_a sole_a power_n as_o first_o they_o say_v of_o themselves_o and_o these_o at_o carthage_n that_o they_o be_v only_a seem_o the_o governor_n of_o these_o respective_a church_n and_o only_o keep_v the_o flock_n instead_o of_o the_o respective_a pastor_n the_o bishop_n i_o have_v occasion_n to_o consider_v this_o passage_n before_o i_o blame_v his_o want_n of_o wisdom_n that_o see_v he_o be_v please_v to_o give_v we_o this_o translation_n of_o this_o passage_n he_o have_v yet_o set_v down_o the_o latin_a in_o the_o margin_n out_o of_o which_o one_o may_v easy_o discover_v his_o error_n without_o turn_v to_o the_o epistle_n itself_o it_o be_v a_o strange_a translation_n videmur_fw-la praepositi_fw-la that_o be_v we_o only_o seem_v to_o be_v governor_n i_o be_o sure_a the_o marginal_a note_n on_o this_o epistle_n say_v they_o be_v pastor_n constituti_fw-la and_o pamelius_n from_o this_o passage_n argue_v for_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n over_o other_o church_n and_o he_o that_o animadvert_v on_o pamelius_n say_v clerus_fw-la romanus_n carthaginensem_fw-la agnoscit_fw-la quemadmodum_fw-la &_o alios_fw-la aliarum_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la pastor_n esse_fw-la christiani_n gregi_fw-la praepositos_fw-la wherefore_o videmur_fw-la must_v rather_o signify_v certainty_n than_o doubt_v in_o this_o place_n it_o appear_v not_o only_o to_o ourselves_o but_o to_o all_o we_o be_v acknowledge_v for_o such_o and_o that_o they_o do_v not_o mean_a by_o vice_n pastoris_fw-la a_o vicarious_a power_n delegated_a from_o the_o bishop_n be_v manifest_a for_o the_o bishop_n be_v dead_a and_o we_o find_v no_o power_n he_o leave_v they_o neither_o can_v he_o do_v it_o yea_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o they_o look_v on_o a_o power_n reside_v in_o themselves_o of_o which_o they_o be_v to_o give_v a_o account_n si_fw-la negligentes_fw-la inveniamur_fw-la quoniam_fw-la perditum_fw-la non_fw-la requisivimus_fw-la etc._n etc._n what_o be_v say_v of_o the_o lapse_v continue_v in_o their_o penitency_n that_o they_o may_v obtain_v indulgence_n from_o they_o who_o can_v give_v it_o the_o word_n be_v ab_fw-la eo_fw-la qui_fw-la potest_fw-la praestare_fw-la it_o may_v be_v understand_v of_o pardon_n from_o christ_n on_o their_o sincere_a repentance_n see_v he_o alone_o can_v make_v indulgence_n effectual_a but_o if_o that_o seem_v strain_v the_o bishop_n with_o the_o presbytery_n not_o by_o himself_o may_v fit_o here_o be_v understand_v he_o do_v again_o pag._n 69._o misrepresent_v the_o question_n in_o these_o word_n let_v any_o man_n judge_n whether_o st._n cyprian_n or_o his_o presume_a presbyter_n have_v take_v too_o much_o on_o they_o at_o carthage_n but_o this_o mistake_n i_o note_v before_o another_o argument_n he_o bring_v be_v from_o some_o martyr_n and_o confessor_n in_o a_o epistle_n to_o cyprian_a commend_v he_o for_o his_o conduct_n in_o oppose_v and_o censure_v these_o presbyter_n i_o also_o commend_v he_o for_o it_o ergo_fw-la i_o think_v he_o have_v sole_a power_n to_o manage_v that_o affair_n the_o consequence_n be_v naught_o he_o hail_v in_o another_o argument_n into_o this_o discourse_n these_o martyr_n and_o confessor_n desire_v that_o cyprian_a be_v so_o glorious_a a_o bishop_n will_v pray_v for_o they_o which_o they_o will_v not_o have_v do_v have_v they_o think_v he_o a_o proud_a aspire_a prelate_n that_o be_v a_o limb_n of_o antichrist_n as_o this_o author_n will_v fain_o give_v he_o out_o to_o have_v be_v it_o be_v a_o injurious_a calumny_n i_o never_o say_v nor_o think_v so_o and_o no_o man_n can_v wire-draw_v my_o word_n with_o any_o sense_n or_o reason_n to_o that_o meaning_n i_o esteem_v cyprian_n grace_n virtue_n and_o learn_v as_o much_o as_o he_o do_v and_o do_v judge_v that_o his_o prayer_n while_o he_o be_v on_o earth_n be_v worth_a ask_n and_o that_o he_o be_v a_o glorious_a bishop_n but_o all_o this_o will_v not_o infer_v his_o sole_a power_n nor_o his_o negative_a cyprian_n '_o s_z excommunicate_v these_o presbyter_n and_o that_o fact_n be_v approven_v by_o other_o be_v not_o argumentative_a unless_o he_o can_v prove_v that_o this_o cyprian_a do_v by_o himself_o without_o the_o presbytery_n he_o next_o bring_v the_o canon_n of_o the_o apostle_n the_o insufficiency_n of_o which_o authority_n i_o have_v above-shewed_n and_o ignatius_n that_o nothing_o shall_v be_v do_v without_o the_o bishop_n nor_o in_o opposition_n to_o he_o and_o that_o the_o bishop_n shall_v be_v honour_v all_o this_o be_v sufficient_o answer_v above_o when_o a_o bishop_n that_o be_v any_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n act_v in_o his_o sphere_n and_o keep_v to_o the_o rule_n the_o word_n of_o god_n to_o oppose_v he_o to_o depart_v from_o he_o not_o to_o honour_v he_o be_v high_o sinful_a but_o i_o be_o sure_a cyprian_a nor_o ignatius_n never_o mean_v to_o enjoin_v absolute_a &_o illimited_a obedience_n to_o a_o bishop_n nor_o any_o man_n else_o as_o for_o do_v nothing_o without_o the_o bishop_n we_o grant_v that_o they_o who_o be_v under_o a_o minister_n charge_n prebyter_n or_o other_o shall_v act_v nothing_o in_o the_o consistory_n without_o he_o but_o this_o also_o must_v suffer_v a_o limitation_n if_o he_o shall_v prove_v so_o perverse_a as_o to_o oppose_v and_o hinder_v every_o thing_n that_o be_v good_a or_o what_o be_v necessary_a to_o be_v do_v i_o do_v not_o think_v that_o ignatius_n will_v blame_v the_o presbyter_n for_o act_v without_o he_o otherwise_o there_o be_v no_o remedy_n but_o the_o church_n must_v be_v ruin_v if_o it_o be_v say_v in_o that_o 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