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A86931 A plea for Christian magistracie: or, An answer to some passages in Mr. Gillespies sermon, against Mr. Coleman. As also to the brotherly examination of some passages of Mr. Colemans late printed sermon, upon Job 11.20. In which the reverend and learned commissioner affirmeth, he hath endeavoured to strike at the root of all church government. VVherein the argumentative part of the controversie is calmely and mildly, without any personall reflections, prosecuted. / By William Hussey, minister of the Gospell, at Chesilhurst in Kent. Hussey, William, minister of Chiselhurst. 1645 (1645) Wing H3819; Thomason E313_7; ESTC R200474 46,951 61

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and obayeth from the heart shall be saved though the Magistrate and Minister should drive on to politique and ambitious ends yet the beleever shall bee saved and this is the assistance and helpe the Church can have from a civill Magistrate and how great a mercy is this to Gods people when all incouragement shall be given to the preaching of the Gospel when the lust and riot of a people shall be restrayned by the civil Magistrate men that refuse to heare the word punished in their persons and estates and thereby for feare of the Magistrate bee brought to the meanes God must judge of the successe as likewise give it Compare this with the contrary motions of authority by fire and sword to suppresse the Gospel and then see whether this be not indeed helps to the Church which though those times wanted yet God appointed that after ages should have and in the meane time did cause men to attend to the meanes by miracles I have proved that the people were inclined to hearken to doctrine by miracles which moveth naturall men to flock together to see strange things if a mount chancke come and tell people be both medicines of strange operations to cure and kill to wound and heale how will people flocks together to heare and see some strange thing est natura heminum novimtis avids I have likewise shewed you that people may and ought to receive God and Christ and Scripture by publique consent and whatsoever it received by publique consent is an act of humane law and to be acted by the civill Magistrate Now God doth not worke miracles but to supply defect of naturall meanes when they are wanting Christ cured when Physitians could not maketh wine of water when they had no wine provided Manna when they were in the wildernes and wanted provision which coased when they enjoyed the provision of the Land When the Gospell was first and nations were not converted then miracles were necessary to cause attention but after when nations were converted which Christ sent out his Disciples to doe with all speed then there will be no use of miracles attention and use of meanes may be agreed upon the effect of them every man is concerned to looke to for his owne salvation and happy are we if we can enjoy the meanes without Inquisitions and faggots and bloud And to looke nearer into the Text to see that this was but an appointment and not a present execution lye have not heere a continued catalogue but ye have these interruptions 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 then 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 then 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 all these might be present and liable to view then ye have 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and to that ye have annexed miracles they lasted somewhat longer then the Apostles and Prophets and last ye have 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and these may be ordinary gift healing if distinguished from miracles is an ordinary gift so are divers tongues and there remayneth no more but helps governments and what these helps are Calvin confesseth he cannot tell hee thinketh they were some officers the Church hath lost men are mightily troubled for want of officers but being put both in one case without any conjunction copulative why they may not belong both to one thing and this 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 may not have some influence upon the times and after age seeing this catalogue is superadditum ecclesia and the gifts mentioned not limited by their ends but onely noted as different gifts to note that all have not the like qualifications but in Eph. 4.11 there when the Apostle setteth downe officers as meanes to the ends which in actions and moralls have a great influence upon the nature of the thing he leaveth out helps and governments and reckoneth only fowr Apostles Prophets Evangelists and Teachers all but Teachers imployed about the word it selfe the foundation penmen of the word no more left to us but the Teacher and he alone with the helpe of the labours of the Apostles Prophets and Evangelists for without them they can doe nothing yet there this poore teacher is left alone to perfect the Saints to performe the worke of the Ministry to edifie the body of Christ heere is neither helpe nor government yet all these things done without them Besides in that very place where S. Paul by an induction doth demonstrate that God hath appointed diversities of gifts reckoneth all the rest and skippeth over helpes governments and leaveth them wholly out which of necessity he must doe where he was in his induction to deale with their experience if none such were to be found at that time they might tell him you aske us whether all be helps and governments we see no such thing we are so far from thinking all governments that we finde none at all but why otherwise they should be left out I know not seeing they did cleerest set forth the difference that one member hath from another especially to naturall men which was S. Pauls argument and therefore I thinke there were none then He hath two other arguments to shew the mis-application of this text but are trifles not worth answer The first is the catalogue of Church officers The Magistrate is behinde the Minister Next he citeth Eph. 1.21 22 23. to prove that all government is given to Christ and to him as mediator and Christ as head of these is given to the Church Mr. Gillespie saith this place maketh more against him then for him something for him by your confession is the Scripture contrary to it selfe in the same place pro and con The Apostle saith not that Christ is given to the Church a head of all principalities and powers The brother saith so and in so saying he maketh Christ a head to those that are not his body 1 Is This a very nice exception the text saith plainly that the power of God shewed it self in Christ 1 in raising him from the dead 2 In setting him at the right hand of God which Calvin expoundeth to signifie the power which the Father bestowed upon Christ and further saith that these words of the 21 ver●e far above principality is an exegesis explaining the right hand of God the words are hee set him at his owne right hand far above principalities c. but in 22 he gave him to bee head over all things to his Church he saith not head over principalities but all things here is great cause of exception here is farre above principalities but not head here is head of all things but not principalities may not hee that is farre above be called the chiefe or head or may not he that is head of all things bee well called head of Principalities it is true disputations doe require men to keep close to termes but in Col. 2.10 ye have the very words head of all principalities and powers the brother is to blame for saying so why may not the brother speake as St. Paul