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A58394	Reformation no enemie, or, A true discourse betweene the bishops and the desirers of reformation wherein is plainely laid open the present corrupt government of our church, and the desired forme of government plainely proved by the word of God.; Hay any worke for Cooper	Marprelate, Martin, pseud.; Penry, John, 1559-1593.	1641 (1641)	Wing R741; ESTC R34566	39,052	59

to mirth I tooke that course I might lawfully doe it I for jesting is lawfull by circumstances even in the greatest matters The circumstances of time place and persons vrged me therevnto I never profaned the word in any jest Other mirth I vsed as a covert wherein I would bring the truth into light the Lord being the Author both of mirth and gravity Is it not lawfull in it selfe for the truth to vse either of these wayes when the circumstances doe make it lawfull My purpose was and is to doe good I know I have done no harme howsoever some may iudge Martin to mar all They are very weake ones that so think In that which J have written J know vndoubtedly that I have done the Lord and the state of this Kingdome great service Because I have in some sort discovered the greatest enemies thereof And by so much the most pestilent enemies because they wound Gods religion and currupt the State with Atheism and loosenesse so call for Gods vengance vpon vs all even vnder the colour of Religion I affirme them to be the greatest enemies that now our state hath for if it were not for them the truth should have more free passage herein then now it hath All states thereby would be amended and so we should not be subject vnto Gods displeasure as now we are by reason of them Now let me deale with these that are in authority I doe make it knowne vnto them that our Bishops are the greatest enemies which we have For they doe not onely goe about but they have long since fully perswaded our state that they may lawfully procure the Lord to take the Sword in hand against the state if this be true have J not said truly that they are the greatest enemies which our state hath The Papists worke no such effect for they are not trusted The Atheists have not infected our whole state these have The attempts of our forraine enemies may be pernicious But they are men as wee are But that God which when our Bishops have and doe make our Prince and our governours to wadge war who is able to stand against him Well to the point many have put his Maiestie the Parliament and counsell in mind that the church officers now among vs are not such as the Lord alloweth off because they are not of his owne ordaining They have shewed that this fault is to be amended or the Lords hand to be looked for The Bishops on the other side have cried out vpon them that have thus dutifully moved the state They with a loud voyce gave out that the magistrate may lawfully maintaine that church government which best fitteth our estate as living in the time of peace What doe they else herein but say that the magistrate in time of peace may maime and deforme the body of Christ his church That Christ hath left the government of his own house vnperfect and left the same to the discretion of the Magistrate whereas Moses before whom in this point of government the Lord Christ is justly preferred Heb. 3 6. made the government of the legall policy so perfect as hee left not any part thereof to the discretion of the Magistrate Can they deny church Officers to bee members of the church they are refused by the expresse text 1 Cor. 12. will they affirme Christ to have left behind him an vnperfect body of his Church wanting members at the least wise having such members as were onely permanent at the Magistrates pleasure Why Moses the servant otherwise governed the house in his time And the sonne is commended in this point for Wisedome and faithfulnesse before him Heb. 3.6 Either then that commendation of the sonne before the servant is a false testimony or the sonne ordained a permanent government in his Church If permanent not to be changed What then doe they that hold it may be changed at the Magistrates pleasure but advise the Magistrate by his positive lawes to proclaime that it is his will that if there shall be a Church within his dominions he will maime and deforme the same hee will ordaine therein what members he thinketh good He will make it knowne that Christ vnder his government shall be made lessefaithfull then Moses was That he hath left the placing of members in his body vnto the Magistrate Oh cursed beasts that bring this guilt vpon our estate Repent Caitifes while you have time you shall not have it I feare when you will And looke you that are in authority vnto the equity of the controversie betweene our wicked Bishops and those vho would have the disorders of our Church amended Take heed you be not carryed away with slanders Christs government is neither Mar-prince Mar. state Mar-law nor Mar-magistrate The living God whose cause is pleaded for will be reuenged of you if you give eare vnto this slander contrary to so many testimonies as are brought out of his word to prove the contrary He denounceth his wrath against all you that thinke it lawfull for you to maime or deform his church he accounteth his Church maimed when those Offices are therein placed which hee hath not appointed to bee members thereof he also testifieth that there be no members of this appointment in the Church but such as hee himselfe hath named in his word and those that he hath named man must not displace for so he should put the body out of joynt Now our Bishops holding the contrary and bearing you in hand that you may practize the contrary doe they not drive you to provoke the Lord to anger against your owne soules And are they not your enemies they hold the contrary J say for they say that his Maiestie may alter this government now established and thereby they shew either this government to be vnlawfull or that the magistrate may presume to place those members in Gods Church which the Lord never mentioned in his word And I beseech you marke how the case standeth betweene these wretches those whom they call puritans 1 The puritans falsely so called shew it to be vnlaw full for the Magistrate to goe about to make any members for the body of Christ 2 They hold all officers of the Church to be members of the body Rom. 12 6.1 Cor. 12.8 28. 3 And therfore they hold the altering or the abolishing of the offices of church government to be the altering abolishing of the members of the Church 4 The altering and abolishing of which members they hold to be vnlawfull because it must needes be a maime vnto the body 5 They hold Christ Iesus to have set downe as exact and as vnchangeable a Church government as ever Moses did Heb. 3.6 These and such like are the points they hold let their cause be tryed and if they hold any other points in effect but these let them be hanged every man of them Now I demand whether they that hold the contrary in these points and cause the

REFORMATION NO ENEMIE Or a true DISCOVRSE betweene the Bishops and the Desirers of Reformation WHEREIN Is plainely laid open the present corrupt government of our Church and the desired forme of Government plainely proved by the word of GOD. PROV 24. Vers 24. Hee that saith vnto the wicked thou art righteous him shall the people Curse Nations shall abhorre him Printed in the yeare 1641. A man of worship to the men of worship that is Martin Mar-prelate gentleman Primate and Metropolitane of all the Martins wheresoever To the Iohn of all the Sir Iohns and to the rest of the terrible Priests saith have among you once againe my clergie masters For O Brethren there is such a deale of love grown of late I perceive betweene you and me that although I would be negligent in sending my Pistles unto you yet I see you cannot forget me I thought you to be very kind when you sent your Pursivaunts about the Country to seeke for me But now that you your selves have taken the paines to write this is out of all cry Why it passes to thinke what loving and carefull Brethren I have who although I cannot be gotten to tell them where I am because I love not the ayre of the Clinke or Gatehouse in this cold time of Winter and by reason of my businesse in Pistle-making will notwithstanding make it known vnto the world that they have a moneths mind towards me now truly brethren J find you kind why ye doe not know what a pleasure you have done me My worships bookes were vnknowne to many before you allowed T. C. to admonish the people of England to take heed that if they loved you they would make much of their Prelates and the chiefe of the Clergie Now many seeke after my bookes more then ever they did Againe some knew not that our brother Iohn of Fulham was so good vnto the porter of his gate as to make the poore blind honest soule to be a dum Minister Many did not know either that Amen is as much as by my faith and so that our Saviour Christ ever sware by his faith or that bowling and eating of the Sabboth are of the same nature that Bishops may as lawfully make blind guydes as David might eate of the Shew bread or that father Thomas Tul-trimmer of Winchester good old student is a master of Arts of 45. yeares standing Many I say were ignorant of these things and many other pretty toyes vntill you wrote this pretty booke besides whatsoever you overpasse in my writings and did not gainsay that I hope will be iudged to be true and so Iohn a Bridges his treason out of the 448 page of his booke you grant to be true Your selves you deny not to be petty Popes the Bishop of sir Davids in Wales you deny not to have two wives with an hundred other things which you doe not gainsay so that the reader may judge that I am true of my word and vse not to lye like Bishops and this hath greatly commended my worships good dealing But in your confutation of my book you have shewed reverend Martin to be true peny indeed for you have confirmed rather then confuted him So that brethren the pleasure which you have done vnto me is out of all scotche and notche And should not I againe be as ready to pleasure you Nay then I should be as vngratefull towards my good brethren as Iohn of Cant. is to Thomas Cartwright The which Iohn although hee hath beene greatly favoured by the said Thomas in that Thomas hath now these many yeares let him alone and said nothing vnto him for not answering his bookes yet is not ashamed to make a secret comparison betweene himselfe and Thomas Cartwright As who say Iohn of Lambehith were as learned as Thomas Cartwright What say you old deane Iohn a Bridges have not you shewed your selfe thankefull vnto his Majestie in overthrowing his supremacie in the 448 page of your book I will lay on load on your skincoat for this geare anon And I will have my penyworths of all of your brethren ere I have done with you for this paines which your T. C. hath taken with me This is the Puritans craft in procuring me to be confuted I know I le be even with them to a crafty whoresons brethren Bishop did you thinke because the puritans T. C. did set Iohn of Cant. at a non-plus and gave him the overthrow that therefore your T. C. alias Thomas Cooper Bishop of Winchester or Thomas Cooke his Chaplaine could set me at a nonplus simple fellowes me thinkes he should not J gesse your T C. to be Thomas Cooper but I doe not peremptorily affirme it because the modest old student of 52. yeares standing setteth Winchester after Lincolne and Rochester in the contents of his booke which blasphemy would not have beene tollerated by them that saw and allowed the booke vnlesse Mistresse Coopers husband had beene the author of it Secondly because this T. C the author of this booke is a Bishop and therefore Thomas Cooper he is a Bishop because hee reckoneth himselfe charged amongst others with those crimes whereof none are accused but Bishops alone pag. 101. lin 26. Ha olde Martin yet I see thou hast it in thee thou wilt enter into the bowels of the cause in hand I perceive Nay if you will commend me I will give you more reasons yet The stile and the phrase is very like her husbands that was sometimes wont to write vnto Doctor Day of Welles You see I can doe it indeed Againe none would be so groshead as to gather because my reverence telleth Deane Iohn that hee shall have twenty fists about his eares more then his owne whereby J meant indeed that many would write against him by reason of his bomination learning which otherwise never meant to take pen in hand that J threatned him with blowes and to deale by stafford law whereas that was farre from my meaning could by no meanes be gathered out of my words but onely by him that pronounced Enlogeni for Eulogin in the pulpit and by him whom a Papist made to beleeve that the Greek word Eulogein that is to give thankes signifieth to make a crosse in the forhead py hy hy hy I cannot but laugh py hy hy hy I cannot but laugh to thinke that an old soaking student in this learned age is not ashamed to be so impudant as to presume to deale with a Papist when he hath no grue in his pocket But I promise you Sir it is no shame to be a L-Bishop if a man could though he were as vnlearned as Iohn of Glocester or William of Liechfeld And I tell you true our brother Westchester had as live play twenty nobles in a night at Priemeero on the cards as trouble himselfe with any Pulpit labour and yet hee thinks himselfe to be a sufficient Bishop What a Bishop such a cardplaier A Bishop play 20 nobles in a

if hee did not harrow Hell Where thou sayest Mr. Young had onely the dealing with Thakwel the Popish Printer without his graces privity thou lyest in thy throat M. Young himselfe brought him to his grace who ordered the matter as it is set downe in my Pistle But did not I say truly of thee that thou canst cog face and lye as fast as a dog can trot and that thou hast a right seasoned wainscoate face of ti nowne chwarnt tee ti vorehead zaze hard as horne Concerning Waldegrave it s no matter how you deale with him heez a foolish fellow to suffer you to spoyle his presse and letters an a had bin my worships Printer I de a kept him from your clouches And yet it is pitty to belye the Divell and therefore you shall not belye him and goe scotfree As for the presse that Waldegrave sold hee did is by order viz. He sold it to an allowed Printer I.C. one his owne company with the knowledge of his Warden Henry Denham c. And call you this favour in releasing him after long imprisonment But I will give you a president of great favour indeed wherein you may see what an ungratefull fellow Waldegrave is to his grace who hath bin so good unto him frō time to time There being a controversie betweene another Printer and Waldegrave all matters of Printing being committed by the Lords of the Counsell to his grace Waldegrave made one of his Company his friend who could do much with his grace to deale for him who brake the matter to his worship being at Croydon in his Orchard so soone as the party named Waldegrave he sweetely answered him saying if is had bin any of the company save him he would have granted the suite but in no case to Waldegrave Well Waldegrave obtained the K. H Lord Treasurers Letter in his behalfe to his grace who when he had read it said J will answer my Lord Treasurer with that Waldegrave intreated for his favourable Letter to the Wardens of his Company which in the end through D. Coosins hee obtained though late yet want home at night thinking to deliver it in the Morning but before he was ready the Wardens were with him and arrested him with a Pursivant upon his graces Commandement Waldegrave telling them there was a letter from his grace which hee receiued late the last night at Croydon who answered they knew it well enough but this is his pleasure now so they carryed Waldegrave to prison and in this his Grace was so good unto him as to helpe him with an hundred marks over the shoulders If this be your favour God keepe mee from you ka M. Marprelate Bishops have justly received according to their deserts having found greater favour at my Worships hands then ever they deserved being notorious disobedient and godlesse persons unthrifty spenders and consumers of the fruits not of their owne labors as you say Waldegrave was but of the possessions of the Church persons that have violated their faith to God his Church his Majesty and this whole Kingdome and wittingly bring us all without the great mercy of God to our undoing so that our wives children servants have cause to curse all L. Bp. Lo T. C. you see that I have a good gift in imitation and me thinkes I have brought your words into a marvellous good sense where as before in the cause of Waldegrve they were illfavouredly wrested and as for his wife and children they have just cause to curse Iohn of London and Iohn of Canterbury for their tyrannizing over him by imprisoning and spoiling his goods and vexing his poore wife and children with continuall rifeling his house with their Pursivants who in November last violently rusht into his house breaking through the maine wall thereof after midnight taking away his goods for some of the Pursivants sold his bookes vp and downe the streets to Watchmen and others Ah you Antichristian Prelates when will you make an end of defending your tyranny by the bloud and rapine of his Majesties subjects You have bin the consumers of the fruits of Wal. degraves labours for have you not sent him so often to prison that it seemed you made a common occupation thereof For assoone as any booke is printed in the defence of Christs holy Discipline or for the detecting of your Antichristian dealings but your ravening pursivants flye city and country to seeke for Waldegrave as though he were bound by statute unto you either to make known who printed seditious bookes against my L. Face or to goe to prison himselfe and threatned with the racke And are you not ashamed to say that he ever violated his Faith you know well enough that he is neither Archb. nor L.B. The case thus stood after he had remained a long time in Prison not that time when Hartwell his graces secretary wisht that his grace might never eat bit of bread after hee released him Nor at that time when you profane T. C. told him that all Puritans had tryterous hearts Nor at that time Waldegrave told her grace that hee was worse then Boner in regard of the time Nor that time when hee was strangely released by one of the Lord of good Londons Swans Neither was it at that time when his grace good conscionable Noble man violated his promise in that he told the Wardens of the Stationers that if Waldegrave would come quietly to him and cease printing of seditious bookes he would pardon what was past and the Wardens promised his wife that if he were committed they would lye at his graces gate till he were released and for all this yet hee was committed to the white Lyon where he lay 6 weeks Nor it was not at that time when his grace allowed Watson the Pursivant to take of Waldegrave 13 s. 4 pence for carrying of him to the white Lyon But it was that time when his grace kept him 20 weekes together in the white Lyon for printing the complaint of the Comminalty the practise of Prelates a learned mans judgment c. Meanes being used for his liberty his friend who was bound for him told him his liberty was obtained in manner following You must be bound faith he in a 100 pounds to print no more bookes hereafter but such as shall be authorized by her Majesty or his grace or such as were before lawfully authorized whereunto he answered that it was not possible for him to containe himselfe within the compasse of that bond Whereby it may appeare be swore not to his friend neither should his consent ever goe to the same the same will D. Coosins witnesse that maidenly Doctor who sits cheeke by joll with you if he will speake a truth which words Waldegrave uttered to him going in the old Pallas at Westminster with his Keeper before hee was released yet hee would gladly have his liberty if he might lawfully For said he I being a poore workman to my company cannot possibly observe