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the_o cause_n but_o we_o intend_v to_o hear_v his_o proof_n first_o it_o be_v a_o needless_a question_n that_o he_o ask_v wherein_o do_v our_o church_n differ_v from_o its_o first_o setlen_n â—ut_v see_v he_o know_v that_o we_o blame_v the_o first_o setlement_n eatenus_fw-la though_o we_o applaud_v it_o in_o the_o main_a and_o what_o he_o cite_v out_o of_o dr._n taylor_n the_o martyr_n p._n 11._o say_v no_o more_o but_o that_o some_o holy_a man_n discover_v the_o evil_a of_o popery_n and_o lay_v down_o their_o life_n in_o opposition_n to_o it_o but_o have_v not_o yet_o come_v to_o see_v the_o evil_a of_o some_o of_o the_o appurtenance_n of_o popery_n dr._n taylor_n and_o other_o rejoice_v to_o see_v god_n worship_v in_o english_a which_o have_v be_v in_o latin_a as_o by_o parrot_n but_o do_v not_o see_v the_o evil_a of_o such_o a_o frame_n of_o worship_n have_v know_v no_o other_o so_o the_o same_o dr._n tailor_n when_o bp._n bonâ—er_o be_v about_o degrade_n he_o swear_v by_o st._n peter_n act_n and_o monument_n p._n 174._o as_o joseph_n by_o the_o life_n of_o pharaoh_n but_o that_o do_v not_o justify_v such_o a_o practice_n sect._n 18._o he_o now_o undertake_v p._n 11_o etc._n etc._n to_o make_v it_o appear_v that_o the_o jesuitical_a party_n have_v a_o great_a hand_n in_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o separation_n as_o he_o call_v it_o how_o do_v this_o consist_v with_o what_o he_o have_v say_v that_o he_o will_v not_o say_v that_o we_o be_v set_v on_o by_o the_o jesuit_n that_o papist_n do_v not_o separate_a at_o first_o in_o queen_n elizabeth_n day_n we_o can_v give_v no_o account_n know_v that_o policy_n not_o conscience_n often_o govern_v their_o action_n that_o nonconformist_n do_v go_v along_o with_o the_o church_n in_o all_o her_o practice_n he_o large_o insist_v on_o afterward_o and_o there_o it_o be_v to_o be_v consider_v whether_o it_o be_v so_o or_o not_o and_o if_o o_o what_o be_v our_o concern_v in_o it_o he_o tell_v a_o long_a story_n of_o jesuit_n 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the_o church_n the_o bishop_n show_v kindness_n unto_o they_o for_o their_o zealous_a preach_v a_o few_o remark_n on_o this_o will_v serve_v to_o clear_v our_o way_n 1._o it_o seem_v the_o episcopal_a party_n have_v not_o such_o respect_n as_o be_v fit_a to_o the_o conscience_n of_o their_o dissent_v brethren_n in_o that_o they_o be_v get_v law_n make_v to_o force_v they_o to_o that_o which_o they_o can_v not_o persuade_v they_o to_o by_o the_o gospel_n but_o this_o be_v the_o old_a spirit_n of_o that_o party_n which_o still_o creat_v trouble_v to_o the_o church_n 2._o that_o some_o of_o they_o accept_v of_o preferment_n and_o these_o he_o name_v gilby_n whittingham_n be_v among_o they_o who_o fuller_n place_v in_o the_o rank_n of_o fierce_a nonconformist_n show_v how_o loath_a they_o be_v to_o divide_v from_o their_o brethren_n as_o long_o as_o they_o be_v suffer_v to_o keep_v their_o conscience_n undefiled_a 3._o he_o omit_v to_o tell_v we_o that_o these_o man_n will_v never_o subscribe_v to_o the_o liturgy_n nor_o use_v the_o ceremony_n which_o mr._n fuller_n lib._n 9_o p._n 76._o inform_v we_o of_o that_o not_o only_o these_o fiery_a man_n as_o he_o call_v they_o but_o even_o the_o moderate_a nonconformist_n as_o mr._n fox_n mr._n laurence_n humphrey_n refuse_v to_o subscribe_v 4._o it_o be_v a_o commendable_a piece_n of_o moderation_n in_o the_o then_o bishop_n that_o they_o suffer_v these_o man_n to_o preach_v notwithstanding_o of_o their_o nonconformity_n indeed_o there_o be_v cause_n for_o it_o they_o be_v able_a and_o useful_a man_n and_o the_o church_n have_v much_o need_n of_o their_o labour_n fuller_n say_v p._n 65._o tolerability_n be_v eminency_n in_o that_o age._n a_o rush_n candle_n seem_v a_o torch_n where_o no_o bright_a light_n be_v see_v before_o where_o he_o tell_v we_o of_o a_o sheriff_n preach_v for_o want_n of_o other_o to_o do_v that_o work_n and_o how_o sorry_o he_o perform_v it_o if_o the_o present_a bishop_n will_v exercise_v the_o same_o moderation_n they_o need_v not_o to_o be_v afraid_a of_o separation_n sect._n 31._o he_o proceed_v to_o tell_v we_o that_o these_o nonconformist_a preacher_n first_o let_v fall_v their_o dislike_n of_o ceremony_n and_o gain_v ground_n they_o call_v they_o the_o livery_n of_o antichrist_n and_o inflame_v the_o people_n and_o this_o be_v the_o first_o occasion_n of_o press_a uniformity_n with_o rigour_n some_o be_v silence_v as_o kindness_n have_v make_v they_o presumptuous_a this_o make_v they_o clamorous_a mr._n fuller_n give_v another_o account_n of_o this_o matter_n p._n 76._o the_o english_a bishop_n conceive_v themselves_o impower_v by_o their_o canon_n begin_v to_o show_v their_o authority_n in_o urge_v the_o clergy_n of_o their_o diocese_n to_o subscribe_v to_o the_o liturgy_n ceremony_n and_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n and_o such_o as_o refuse_v the_o same_o be_v brand_v with_o the_o odious_a name_n of_o puritan_n and_o p._n 81._o he_o sheweth_z how_o minister_n be_v content_v before_o b._n grindal_n one_o of_o the_o most_o moderate_a but_o press_v to_o rigour_n by_o the_o rest_n who_o ask_v they_o have_v we_o not_o a_o godly_a princess_n speak_v be_v she_o evil_a a_o question_n fit_a for_o the_o inquisitor_n in_o spain_n than_o a_o protestant_a bishop_n that_o the_o nonconformist_n preach_v against_o the_o ceremony_n be_v neither_o to_o be_v doubt_v nor_o wonder_v at_o so_o do_v our_o lord_n and_o master_n and_o his_o apostle_n paul_n it_o be_v their_o duty_n to_o teach_v people_n to_o observe_v all_o that_o christ_n have_v command_v that_o be_v their_o commission_n if_o they_o speak_v falsehood_n or_o truth_n in_o a_o undue_a manner_n they_o be_v liable_a to_o correction_n what_o our_o author_n call_v inflame_v the_o people_n other_o will_v call_v faithful_a warn_n of_o they_o against_o what_o may_v displease_v god_n and_o defile_v their_o conscience_n any_o who_o inflame_v they_o to_o unsober_a or_o unpeaceable_a principle_n or_o practice_n let_v they_o bear_v their_o blame_n i_o see_v nothing_o in_o their_o carriage_n under_o the_o bishop_n forbear_v of_o they_o that_o deserve_v the_o name_n of_o presumption_n nor_o under_o their_o suffering_n that_o shall_v be_v call_v clamorousness_n as_o the_o dr._n call_v their_o inform_v their_o friend_n at_o geneva_n how_o they_o be_v use_v but_o it_o be_v the_o spirit_n of_o that_o party_n to_o use_v cruel_a severity_n against_o they_o that_o differ_v from_o they_o and_o reproach_v they_o if_o they_o say_v they_o feel_v it_o patience_n and_o stoical_a apathy_n be_v not_o the_o same_o thing_n there_o be_v nothing_o yet_o say_v by_o the_o dr._n that_o can_v cast_v the_o blame_v of_o separation_n on_o the_o nonconformist_n or_o free_v the_o bishop_n of_o it_o sect._n 32._o he_o say_v further_a p._n 19_o at_o the_o end_n about_o this_o time_n the_o dissent_v party_n be_v exasperate_v by_o silence_v some_o of_o their_o most_o zealous_a preacher_n begin_v to_o have_v separate_a 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necessity_n of_o separation_n ans._n 1._o the_o dr._n than_o make_v no_o difference_n between_o a_o scruple_n that_o have_v ground_n for_o it_o and_o one_o that_o have_v none_o if_o he_o can_v make_v our_o scruple_n appear_v to_o be_v groundless_a as_o he_o confess_v they_o to_o be_v he_o have_v advantage_n against_o we_o ans._n 2._o be_v there_o no_o difference_n between_o have_v probable_a ground_n for_o a_o scruple_n and_o have_v no_o such_o ground_n be_v there_o any_o comparison_n between_o scruple_v at_o use_v religious_a ceremony_n that_o have_v no_o warrant_n in_o the_o word_n but_o be_v in_o general_n at_o least_o condemn_v in_o it_o and_o scruple_v at_o some_o pretend_a corruption_n that_o no_o scripture_n condemn_v ans._n 3._o if_o the_o dr_n reason_v be_v good_a either_o we_o must_v bear_v with_o none_o that_o scruple_n unless_o we_o scruple_n the_o same_o thing_n or_o we_o must_v bear_v with_o all_o that_o scruple_n the_o first_o of_o these_o exclude_v all_o christian_a forbearance_n the_o last_o he_o will_v not_o allege_v ans._n 4._o he_o mention_v imposition_n as_o to_o order_n and_o discipline_n only_o that_o we_o may_v seem_v imposer_n as_o well_o as_o his_o party_n be_v that_o be_v unreasonable_a not_o only_o because_o we_o can_v show_v christ_n law_n for_o our_o order_n and_o discipline_n which_o he_o will_v not_o pretend_v to_o show_v for_o the_o ceremony_n but_o also_o because_o we_o can_v bear_v with_o sober_a and_o faithful_a brethren_n that_o can_v approve_v of_o all_o that_o we_o do_v which_o his_o party_n will_v not_o sect._n 20._o he_o mistake_v the_o case_n when_o he_o insinuate_v that_o we_o have_v no_o more_o but_o scruple_n of_o conscience_n to_o plead_v the_o dr._n shall_v not_o have_v allege_v this_o till_o he_o or_o some_o of_o his_o party_n have_v answer_v all_o our_o reason_n of_o scruple_v in_o many_o book_n neither_o touch_v by_o he_o or_o any_o other_o but_o now_o he_o will_v knock_v down_o our_o cause_n with_o one_o blow_n he_o say_v he_o put_v the_o case_n as_o clear_v as_o possible_a to_o prevent_v all_o subterfuge_n and_o slight_a evasion_n he_o suppose_v five_o scruple_a party_n one_o at_o the_o liturgy_n a_o second_o at_o the_o cross_n and_o kneel_a a_o three_o at_o wrong_n gather_v church_n a_o four_o at_o infant_n baptism_n a_o five_o at_o preach_v by_o set_a form_n and_o be_v stint_v by_o a_o hourglass_n and_o he_o say_v the_o nature_n of_o the_o case_n do_v not_o vary_v according_a to_o these_o if_o this_o be_v the_o dr_n herculean_a argument_n we_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o fear_v his_o strength_n so_o much_o as_o before_o sure_o the_o learned_a dr_n part_n can_v let_v he_o see_v more_o reason_n to_o bear_v with_o sober_a and_o intelligent_a man_n who_o dare_v not_o join_v with_o a_o church_n in_o worship_v god_n by_o religious_a ceremony_n not_o institute_v by_o christ_n than_o with_o fantastic_a quaker_n who_o cast_v off_o god_n ordinance_n because_o of_o a_o hourglass_n but_o that_o his_o prejudice_n do_v in_o this_o darken_v his_o understanding_n but_o the_o tendency_n of_o his_o discourse_n seem_v to_o be_v either_o church-authority_n must_v lead_v we_o blindfold_n so_o as_o we_o must_v scruple_n nothing_o impose_v or_o neither_o scripture_n nor_o reason_n shall_v limit_v our_o fancy_n but_o we_o may_v scruple_n what_o we_o will._n he_o say_v well_o p._n 76._o and_o the_o nonconformist_n before_o he_o have_v say_v it_o if_o they_o allege_v ground_n to_o justify_v themselves_o they_o must_v do_v it_o ex_fw-la natura_fw-la rei_fw-la and_o not_o from_o the_o mere_a error_n or_o mistake_n of_o conscience_n we_o will_v most_o willing_o join_v issue_n with_o he_o on_o this_o condition_n provide_v the_o natura_fw-la rei_fw-la may_v be_v judge_v by_o scripture_n as_o all_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n shall_v be_v if_o he_o can_v prove_v the_o ceremony_n that_o we_o scruple_n to_o be_v such_o as_o we_o may_v use_v without_o sin_n or_o if_o we_o prove_v not_o the_o contrary_a let_v he_o call_v we_o as_o vile_a separatist_n as_o he_o please_v if_o the_o dr._n have_v please_v at_o first_o to_o hang_v the_o matter_n on_o this_o pin_n and_o not_o to_o have_v fill_v his_o book_n with_o so_o many_o citation_n to_o strengthen_v his_o cause_n with_o humane_a authority_n he_o may_v have_v save_v both_o himself_o and_o i_o all_o this_o labour_n that_o hitherto_o we_o have_v be_v at_o it_o be_v no_o great_a commendation_n either_o of_o the_o wisdom_n or_o of_o the_o sobriety_n of_o his_o church_n that_o he_o say_v shâ—_n have_v as_o much_o occasion_n cause_n he_o shall_v have_v say_v to_o judge_v their_o the_o presbyterian_o scruple_n unreasonable_a as_o they_o do_v those_o of_o the_o quaker_n what_o follow_v about_o occasional_a communion_n be_v answer_v above_o that_o which_o he_o cit_v out_o of_o mr._n a._n of_o the_o assemby_n be_v transport_v in_o the_o heat_n of_o dispute_n be_v not_o so_o derogatory_n from_o that_o venerable_a meeting_n as_o he_o will_v make_v it_o it_o be_v rare_a to_o find_v it_o otherwise_o with_o sinful_a man_n how_o many_o thing_n do_v thus_o slip_v from_o the_o pen_n of_o several_a of_o the_o father_n that_o the_o dr._n will_v not_o approve_v but_o we_o do_v not_o hereby_o give_v up_o the_o cause_n to_o the_o dissent_v brethren_n nor_o forsake_v the_o assembly_n principle_n it_o be_v one_o thing_n not_o to_o approve_v all_o that_o man_n say_v and_o another_o thing_n to_o condemn_v the_o cause_n that_o they_o plead_v for_o sect._n 21._o our_o author_n do_v next_o undertake_v sect._n 17._o to_o show_v how_o we_o have_v desert_v the_o principle_n of_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n as_o to_o private_a person_n reform_v church-discipline_n set_v up_o new_a church_n and_o the_o preach_n of_o minister_n when_o silence_v by_o the_o law_n for_o the_o set_n up_o of_o church_n and_o discipline_n he_o cit_v several_a nonconformist_n against_o it_o without_o the_o magistrate_n p._n 78_o 79_o 80_o 81_o 82._o to_o all_o which_o i_o answer_v that_o two_o thing_n be_v express_o in_o these_o citation_n that_o make_v what_o they_o condemn_v not_o to_o reach_v our_o case_n for_o 1._o they_o condemn_v private_a man_n endeavour_v a_o public_a reformation_n that_o belong_v to_o the_o magistrate_n so_o it_o be_v thrice_o express_v p._n 81._o out_o of_o confut._n of_o the_o brownist_n now_o we_o meddle_v not_o with_o a_o public_a reformation_n otherwise_o than_o by_o our_o prayer_n and_o advice_n as_o we_o have_v occasion_n which_o be_v there_o also_o express_o allow_v by_o they_o but_o content_v ourselves_o to_o serve_v god_n private_o when_o we_o can_v do_v it_o public_o without_o sin._n to_o this_o same_o purpose_n be_v that_o which_o be_v cite_v out_o of_o giffard_n p._n 79._o that_o though_o every_o one_o ought_v to_o keep_v a_o good_a conscience_n yet_o no_o private_a person_n be_v to_o take_v on_o they_o public_a authority_n to_o reform_v if_o we_o do_v so_o blame_v we_o for_o it_o 2._o these_o nonconformist_n all_o along_o speak_v of_o private_a person_n reform_v the_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n now_o what_o be_v do_v among_o we_o of_o that_o kind_n be_v do_v by_o minister_n who_o though_o in_o the_o state_n they_o be_v private_a person_n and_o therefore_o be_v not_o to_o meddle_v with_o matter_n of_o that_o concern_n yet_o in_o the_o church_n they_o be_v public_a person_n and_o have_v authority_n from_o god_n to_o dispense_v his_o ordinance_n but_o i_o do_v not_o by_o what_o i_o have_v say_v intend_v to_o homologate_v all_o that_o the_o dr._n cit_v out_o of_o these_o nonconformist_n several_a thing_n they_o assert_v that_o can_v well_o be_v defend_v but_o i_o shall_v not_o digress_v so_o far_o as_o to_o particularize_v they_o sect._n 22._o i_o shall_v only_o say_v that_o have_v this_o principle_n of_o not_o reform_v the_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n by_o people_n among_o themselves_o till_o the_o magistrate_n give_v countenance_n take_v always_o place_n in_o the_o world_n not_o only_a christianity_n have_v not_o come_v in_o the_o place_n of_o judâ—ism_n but_o arrianism_n have_v extinguish_v the_o orthodox_n profession_n have_v we_o not_o example_n of_o people_n who_o be_v under_o arian_n bishop_n set_v up_o new_a bishop_n over_o themselves_o in_o epiphan_n haeres_fw-la 73_o do_v not_o hilary_n exhort_v the_o people_n to_o separate_v from_o auxentius_n their_o arian_n bishop_n adversus_fw-la arianos_fw-la when_o yet_o there_o be_v no_o orthodox_n magistrate_n to_o countenance_v these_o thing_n yea_o have_v this_o principle_n obtain_v there_o have_v be_v no_o reformation_n from_o popery_n in_o most_o place_n where_o now_o through_o the_o lord_n mercy_n it_o be_v say_v not_o that_o our_o reform_v of_o worship_n and_o discipline_n be_v not_o in_o thing_n of_o that_o moment_n for_o though_o that_o be_v true_a yet_o it_o be_v not_o of_o
want_n not_o of_o every_o ministerial_a quality_n that_o be_v desirable_a but_o of_o such_o as_o be_v necessary_a for_o the_o ordinance_n be_v so_o administer_v as_o we_o may_v partake_v of_o they_o without_o sin._n if_o people_n do_v mistake_v in_o any_o of_o these_o and_o run_v into_o separation_n without_o sufficient_a ground_n think_v that_o fault_n of_o a_o minister_n true_a or_o great_a or_o evident_a or_o intolerable_a which_o be_v not_o so_o we_o do_v not_o plead_v for_o this_o practice_n but_o we_o must_v not_o to_o shun_v that_o inconvenience_n say_v that_o it_o be_v in_o no_o case_n lawful_a i_o know_v no_o truth_n but_o it_o may_v be_v abuse_v by_o man_n of_o corrupt_a mind_n as_o well_o as_o this_o i_o know_v there_o be_v fault_n in_o minister_n which_o render_v they_o in_o the_o secret_a judgement_n of_o god_n and_o to_o the_o jealousy_n of_o good_a man_n no_o minister_n of_o christ_n but_o of_o satan_n which_o yet_o will_v not_o warrant_v separation_n from_o they_o while_o they_o have_v ordination_n unrepealed_a by_o a_o church_n sentence_n of_o deprivation_n and_o administer_v god_n ordinance_n so_o as_o the_o partaker_n of_o they_o be_v not_o involve_v in_o sin._n gildas_n say_v of_o some_o pastor_n in_o his_o time_n apparet_fw-la cum_fw-la quem_fw-la vos_fw-la sacerdotes_fw-la sciens_fw-la ex_fw-la cord_n dicit_fw-la non_fw-la esse_fw-la eximium_fw-la christianum_fw-la and_o o_o inimici_fw-la dei_fw-la &_o non_fw-la sacerdotes_fw-la o_fw-la liâ—â—atores_fw-la malorum_fw-la &_o non_fw-la pontifices_fw-la traditores_fw-la &_o non_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la apostolorum_fw-la successores_fw-la impugnatores_fw-la &_o non_fw-la christi_fw-la ministri_fw-la when_o we_o can_v apply_v all_o this_o to_o a_o minister_n the_o church_n ought_v to_o cast_v he_o out_o as_o unsavoury_a salt_n but_o till_o that_o be_v do_v private_a person_n ought_v to_o withdraw_v from_o his_o evil_a deed_n but_o not_o from_o the_o ordinance_n while_o they_o be_v pure_a i_o know_v this_o have_v be_v and_o be_v a_o controversy_n in_o our_o neighbour_n church_n of_o scotland_n and_o have_v give_v rise_n to_o much_o disquiet_n much_o confusion_n and_o many_o persecution_n there_o i_o shall_v not_o much_o dip_v in_o it_o our_o case_n be_v more_o clear_o state_v and_o our_o withdraw_n from_o the_o public_a assembly_n be_v found_v not_o on_o personal_a fault_n of_o minister_n but_o on_o sinful_a imposition_n in_o worship_n i_o have_v not_o meet_v with_o one_o judicious_a writer_n of_o that_o nation_n nor_o one_o minister_n that_o i_o remember_v of_o in_o private_a discourse_n who_o deny_v in_o thesi_fw-la that_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o partake_v of_o the_o ordinance_n from_o a_o minister_n mere_o on_o account_n of_o his_o personal_a fault_n where_o the_o ordinance_n that_o we_o be_v to_o partake_v of_o be_v incorrupt_v but_o they_o state_n the_o controversy_n upon_o some_o specialty_n in_o their_o case_n one_o or_o two_o little_a manuscript_n i_o have_v see_v that_o in_o thesi_fw-la and_o with_o as_o much_o confidence_n as_o little_a reason_n deny_v the_o lawfulness_n of_o hear_v a_o scandalous_a minister_n to_o these_o i_o only_o oppose_v this_o one_o argument_n our_o lord_n command_v the_o jew_n to_o receive_v the_o ordinance_n from_o the_o priest_n of_o that_o time_n who_o be_v most_o of_o they_o very_o bad_a man_n matth._n 8._o 4._o luk._n 17._o 14._o and_o what_o christ_n bid_v they_o do_v we_o may_v lawful_o do_v in_o the_o like_a case_n the_o exception_n make_v against_o this_o argument_n that_o i_o have_v meet_v with_o be_v very_a light_n as_o that_o the_o priest_n be_v not_o so_o bad_a as_o we_o 1._o this_o be_v say_v without_o all_o colour_n of_o reason_n 2._o let_v they_o show_v what_o degree_n of_o scandal_n in_o a_o minister_n will_v warrant_v such_o withdraw_a and_o what_o not_o again_o they_o object_n that_o the_o ordinance_n can_v not_o be_v have_v but_o from_o these_o priest_n ans._n if_o it_o have_v be_v unlawful_a to_o partake_v with_o they_o christ_n will_v rather_o have_v have_v no_o sacrifice_n offer_v than_o that_o people_n shall_v sin_v in_o go_v about_o it_o he_o that_o prefer_v mercy_n to_o sacrifice_n will_v never_o prefer_v sacrifice_n to_o shun_v of_o sin._n and_o beside_o this_o if_o the_o hazard_n of_o want_n of_o ordinance_n can_v infer_v the_o necessity_n of_o join_v with_o these_o priest_n so_o may_v the_o hazard_n of_o a_o sinful_a rend_n of_o the_o church_n persuade_v to_o join_v in_o the_o case_n in_o hand_n and_o further_o where_o the_o ordinance_n can_v without_o any_o sinful_a circumstance_n be_v have_v from_o better_a hand_n i_o be_o far_o from_o advise_v any_o to_o attend_v the_o administration_n of_o bad_a man_n but_o in_o that_o nation_n they_o have_v better_a ground_n of_o their_o practice_n to_o wit_n subjection_n to_o prelacy_n require_v of_o they_o and_o that_o their_o faithful_a pastor_n be_v turn_v out_o and_o other_o put_v in_o their_o place_n but_o i_o leave_v this_o debate_n as_o not_o be_v my_o present_a work._n sect._n 11._o i_o now_o come_v to_o say_v a_o word_n of_o each_o of_o mr._n baxter_n four_o ministerial_a quality_n in_o particular_a 1._o knowledge_n and_o utterance_n the_o ordainer_n be_v the_o authoritative_a judge_n of_o these_o and_o the_o people_n be_v not_o without_o very_o great_a and_o manifest_a cause_n to_o question_v what_o be_v in_o this_o do_v by_o the_o guide_n of_o the_o church_n yet_o must_v they_o see_v with_o their_o own_o eye_n and_o lament_v the_o defect_n of_o this_o kind_n that_o they_o evident_o see_v but_o not_o separate_v while_o the_o ordinance_n be_v not_o intolerable_o deprave_v though_o there_o be_v considerable_a defect_n the_o dr._n never_o hear_v that_o the_o apostle_n bid_v people_n turn_v away_o from_o their_o minister_n for_o want_v of_o utterance_n neither_o be_v such_o a_o command_n needful_a nature_n and_o reason_n injoin_v that_o if_o a_o man_n can_v speak_v audible_o and_o intelligible_a people_n shall_v not_o come_v to_o hear_v a_o noise_n so_o that_o they_o can_v tell_v what_o be_v utter_v his_o declamation_n against_o people_n judge_v of_o a_o minister_n knowledge_n be_v out_o of_o the_o way_n we_o do_v not_o make_v they_o trier_n as_o he_o suppose_v neither_o give_v they_o authority_n and_o we_o think_v for_o all_o his_o scorn_n that_o though_o many_o cannot_v well_o discern_v a_o minister_n knowledge_n in_o controverise_n yet_o most_o can_v tell_v whether_o he_o understand_v the_o plain_a truth_n of_o the_o gospel_n when_o they_o hear_v he_o discourse_v of_o they_o if_o man_n by_o prejudices_fw-la or_o want_v of_o due_a application_n of_o their_o mind_n as_o the_o dr._n speak_v mistake_v about_o these_o i_o shall_v hardly_o call_v they_o very_o good_a man_n as_o he_o suppose_v they_o may_v be_v the_o second_o quality_n be_v that_o a_o minister_n be_v not_o heretical_a except_o taunt_n and_o personal_a reflection_n on_o mr._n b._n i_o see_v not_o what_o the_o dr._n answer_v to_o 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the_o ceremony_n but_o we_o reject_v they_o not_o on_o that_o account_n only_o and_o so_o mere_a opposition_n to_o popery_n be_v not_o the_o rule_n of_o our_o reformation_n sect._n 22._o he_o complain_v that_o calvin_n and_o other_o do_v insinuate_v that_o the_o english_a reformation_n be_v imperfect_a nay_o they_o open_o maintain_v it_o and_o so_o do_v we_o he_o do_v twice_o misrepresent_v calvin_n word_n p._n 14_o 15._o that_o he_o have_v avow_v in_o the_o letter_n before-cited_n to_o the_o protector_n that_o the_o best_a rule_n of_o reformation_n be_v to_o go_v as_o far_o from_o popery_n as_o they_o can_v no_o such_o word_n be_v to_o be_v find_v in_o that_o letter_n nor_o any_o thing_n that_o will_v import_v so_o much_o he_o do_v indeed_o press_v the_o remove_n of_o all_o popish_a ceremony_n as_o have_v be_v abuse_v to_o idolatry_n and_o cit_v psal._n 16._o 4._o where_o david_n say_v that_o he_o will_v not_o take_v up_o the_o name_n of_o idol_n in_o his_o mouthâ—_n but_o he_o neither_o make_v this_o the_o rule_n nor_o the_o best_a rule_n of_o reformation_n he_o know_v that_o scripture_n and_o institution_n which_o he_o have_v a_o little_a beforementioned_a be_v the_o rule_n and_o a_o far_o better_a rule_n than_o that_o though_o even_o that_o have_v its_o use_n to_o direct_v we_o in_o reformation_n of_o the_o church_n again_o he_o say_v that_o calvin_n yield_v to_o this_o moderation_n that_o such_o ceremony_n may_v be_v retain_v as_o be_v easy_a and_o fit_v to_o the_o capacity_n of_o the_o people_n provide_v they_o be_v not_o such_o as_o have_v their_o beginning_n from_o the_o devil_n or_o antichrist_n his_o word_n be_v adeoque_fw-la ceremonias_fw-la ipsas_fw-la ad_fw-la usum_fw-la &_o capio_fw-la esse_fw-la accommodandas_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la minus_fw-la constant_a affirmo_fw-la videndum_fw-la esse_fw-la ne_fw-la sub_fw-la illo_fw-la praetextu_fw-la toleratur_fw-la quicquam_fw-la quod_fw-la a_o satana_n vel_fw-la antichristo_fw-la profectum_fw-la 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roman_a church_n it_o have_v be_v fit_a to_o have_v remove_v all_o that_o be_v of_o humane_a invention_n for_o antiquity_n can_v neither_o prejudice_v christ_n instituâ—ions_n nor_o warrant_v man_n but_o it_o be_v not_o true_a that_o all_o the_o ceremony_n retain_v be_v so_o ancient_a as_o shall_v be_v make_v appear_v in_o due_a time_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o kneel_v in_o the_o act_n of_o receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n neither_o will_v it_o free_v our_o ceremony_n from_o be_v popish_a that_o they_o be_v before_o the_o great_a apostasy_n if_o it_o be_v make_v appear_v that_o they_o be_v with_o a_o considerable_a degree_n of_o the_o apostasy_n yea_o and_o a_o part_n of_o it_o sect._n 23._o he_o endeavour_v to_o free_v our_o ceremony_n from_o popery_n because_o the_o cross_n be_v use_v by_o papist_n in_o the_o scrutiny_n before_o baptism_n we_o use_v it_o after_o baptism_n and_o kneel_v be_v not_o strict_o require_v by_o the_o roman_a church_n in_o the_o act_n of_o receive_v 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that_o be_v make_v against_o the_o mischief_n of_o these_o imposition_n as_o he_o say_v p._n 16._o see_v all_o that_o he_o have_v say_v doâ—h_v not_o clear_v they_o from_o be_v man_n device_n in_o god_n worship_n and_o consequent_o vain_a worship_n which_o be_v a_o burden_n to_o any_o conscience_n that_o regard_v christ_n authority_n more_o than_o that_o of_o men._n sect._n 24._o he_o pretend_v sect._n 5._o to_o give_v reason_n why_o the_o ceremony_n be_v retain_v by_o our_o reformer_n though_o they_o be_v distasteful_a to_o some_o protestant_n and_o like_a to_o prove_v the_o occasion_n of_o future_a contention_n these_o reason_n be_v three_o 1._o out_o of_o a_o due_a reverence_n to_o antiquity_n 2._o to_o justify_v the_o reformation_n before_o enemy_n in_o that_o we_o will_v not_o break_v with_o they_o for_o mere_a indifferent_a thing_n 3._o to_o
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with_o our_o brethren_n in_o this_o debate_n about_o the_o first_o and_o pure_a antiquity_n of_o church-government_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o man_n authority_n but_o divine_a institution_n that_o we_o be_v determiend_n by_o and_o lay_v the_o stress_n of_o our_o cause_n upon_o and_o will_v admit_v of_o no_o absolute_a rule_n of_o judge_v in_o this_o controversy_n but_o the_o scripture_n sect._n 3_o it_o may_v have_v be_v expect_v that_o the_o dr._n when_o he_o will_v charge_v we_o with_o so_o great_a blame_n as_o he_o do_v in_o not_o submit_v to_o the_o authority_n of_o prelate_n shall_v have_v prove_v the_o divine_a institution_n or_o at_o least_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o that_o office_n and_o answer_v the_o argument_n that_o our_o writer_n bring_v against_o it_o this_o be_v the_o way_n to_o satisfy_v man_n conscience_n but_o the_o dr._n be_v please_v to_o take_v a_o easy_a though_o not_o so_o persuasive_a a_o way_n to_o wit_n to_o refute_v mr._n b_n assertion_n about_o episcopacy_n and_o 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many_o of_o the_o more_o sober_a and_o learned_a of_o that_o party_n grotius_n also_o go_v this_o way_n de_fw-fr imper._n sum_fw-la potest_fw-la circa_fw-la sacra_fw-la p._n 337._o other_o allow_v they_o jurisdiction_n over_o other_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n and_o exempt_v they_o from_o be_v liable_a to_o the_o censure_n of_o their_o brethren_n yet_o so_o as_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o rule_v by_o themselves_o but_o with_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n who_o be_v to_o be_v their_o counsel_n our_o author_n iren._n p._n 309._o say_v that_o both_o jerom_n and_o ignatius_n agree_v that_o the_o counsel_n of_o presbyter_n be_v of_o divine_a institution_n other_o be_v for_o their_o monarchial_a power_n in_o their_o several_a diocese_n neither_o be_v oblige_v to_o take_v the_o counsel_n of_o the_o presbyter_n nor_o be_v liable_a to_o their_o censure_n so_o the_o generality_n of_o our_o high_a churchman_n some_o make_v the_o bishop_n the_o sole_a pastor_n of_o the_o diocese_n and_o all_o the_o parochial_a clergy_n to_o be_v but_o his_o curate_n other_o think_v the_o parochial_a pastor_n to_o be_v substitute_n or_o delegate_v to_o none_o but_o christ_n some_o think_v the_o bishop_n work_n be_v to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n and_o administer_v sacrament_n in_o his_o own_o person_n and_o that_o this_o he_o shall_v be_v constant_o exercise_v in_o other_o that_o his_o work_n be_v to_o rule_v and_o that_o he_o need_v not_o trouble_v himself_o with_o other_o work_n unless_o he_o please_v some_o allow_v the_o bishop_n a_o power_n of_o delegate_a his_o authority_n not_o of_o dispense_n the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n only_o but_o of_o government_n and_o discipline_n to_o other_o yea_o to_o layman_n that_o by_o they_o he_o may_v excommunicate_v and_o judge_v minister_n and_o people_n other_o think_v that_o he_o have_v no_o power_n to_o do_v so_o so_o i_o think_v that_o it_o be_v inconsistent_a with_o the_o office_n of_o a_o bishop_n to_o be_v employ_v in_o civil_a government_n other_o allow_v it_o some_o think_v a_o bishop_n shall_v be_v choose_v by_o the_o church_n and_o that_o real_o and_o not_o seem_o only_a as_o when_o the_o magistrate_n nominate_v the_o person_n to_o the_o chapter_n who_o yet_o be_v not_o the_o church_n of_o who_o they_o must_v proceed_v to_o a_o mock_v election_n other_o think_v those_o that_o come_v in_o this_o way_n to_o be_v none_o of_o christ_n bishop_n some_o own_o diocesan_n bishop_n who_o yet_o see_v no_o warrant_n for_o the_o hierarchy_n as_o it_o be_v state_v among_o we_o in_o metropolitan_o primate_fw-la archbishop_n dean_n archdeacon_n chancellor_n etc._n etc._n some_o hold_v the_o office_n of_o bishop_n to_o be_v distinct_a from_o that_o of_o presbyter_n other_o deny_v this_o many_o school_n man_n be_v on_o both_o side_n it_o be_v debate_v at_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n in_o all_o these_o thing_n i_o observe_v very_o much_o confusion_n and_o want_v of_o a_o distinct_a idea_n of_o that_o office_n that_o be_v debate_v about_o in_o the_o write_n of_o our_o prelatical_a brethren_n sect._n 5._o there_o be_v as_o little_a agreement_n or_o distinctness_n among_o they_o about_o the_o foundation_n on_o which_o the_o office_n of_o a_o diocesan_n bishop_n stand_v some_o of_o they_o be_v for_o iâ—s_n divine_a right_n as_o be_v institute_v by_o christ_n but_o this_o plea_n they_o find_v so_o hard_o to_o be_v manage_v and_o to_o have_v so_o ill_a success_n and_o to_o be_v so_o little_a the_o way_n to_o preferment_n as_o derogate_a from_o the_o supremacy_n of_o the_o magistrate_n that_o most_o have_v lay_v it_o aside_o other_o that_o it_o be_v of_o apostolic_a institution_n be_v not_o command_v by_o christ_n but_o prudent_o settle_v by_o the_o apostle_n other_o that_o it_o be_v juris_fw-la ecclesiastici_fw-la bring_v in_o by_o the_o primitive_a church_n afâ—er_v the_o decease_n of_o all_o the_o
command_v by_o god_n nor_o necessary_o connect_v with_o the_o soul_n exercise_v in_o worship_n by_o nature_n and_o dictate_v by_o it_o nor_o be_v by_o civil_a custom_n make_v a_o fit_a expression_n of_o the_o inward_a exercise_n of_o the_o soul_n in_o that_o worship_n but_o be_v only_o impose_v by_o the_o will_n of_o man_n be_v unlawful_a to_o be_v use_v in_o that_o worship_n but_o kneel_v in_o the_o act_n of_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n be_v such_o ergo_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o major_n be_v clear_a for_o that_o must_v in_o that_o case_n be_v will-worship_n the_o minor_a be_v prove_v by_o what_o be_v say_v and_o the_o conclusion_n follow_v â—iâ—syllogistica_fw-la sect._n 11._o another_o ground_n of_o our_o scruple_n be_v this_o practice_n be_v unprecedent_v in_o the_o apostolic_a and_o pure_a primitive_a church_n christ_n with_o his_o disciple_n sit_v or_o lean_v they_o use_v the_o table_n gesture_n than_o make_v decent_a by_o civil_a custom_n and_o yet_o they_o use_v as_o much_o humility_n in_o receive_v and_o know_v as_o well_o what_o be_v fit_a and_o decent_a as_o we_o now_o do_v or_o can_v in_o after_o age_n this_o practice_n be_v not_o use_v it_o be_v well_o know_v that_o in_o tertullia_n time_n and_o till_o the_o beginning_n of_o the_o five_o century_n they_o do_v not_o use_v to_o kneel_v on_o any_o lord_n day_n between_o easter_n and_o pentecost_n so_o much_o as_o at_o prayer_n and_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o famous_a first_o council_n of_o nice_a do_v forbid_v it_o how_o then_o do_v they_o make_v the_o communion_n kneel_v a_o three_o ground_n be_v this_o kneel_v be_v a_o religious_a adoration_n before_o a_o creature_n with_o a_o religious_a respect_n to_o the_o creature_n but_o this_o be_v unlawful_a etc._n etc._n the_o first_o proposition_n be_v clear_a for_o it_o be_v with_o respect_n to_o the_o consecrate_a element_n before_o they_o that_o we_o kneel_v and_o it_o will_v not_o be_v deny_v that_o we_o there_o adore_v god_n religious_o the_o second_o proposition_n i_o prove_v because_o protestant_n do_v generaly_a condemn_v pray_v before_o a_o image_n as_o on_o other_o account_n so_o on_o this_o because_o it_o be_v a_o adore_v of_o god_n before_o a_o creature_n with_o a_o religious_a respect_n to_o it_o let_v our_o brethren_n show_v we_o what_o the_o more_o moderate_a of_o the_o papist_n give_v to_o their_o image_n that_o we_o do_v not_o give_v to_o the_o consecrate_a element_n we_o use_v the_o one_o as_o a_o a_o state_v motive_n of_o worship_n as_o they_o do_v the_o other_o they_o deny_v that_o they_o give_v any_o worship_n to_o the_o image_n as_o we_o do_v with_o reference_n to_o the_o element_n a_o four_o ground_n be_v this_o practice_n as_o acknowledge_v by_o its_o patron_n to_o be_v indifferent_a have_v be_v gross_o abuse_v to_o idolatry_n the_o papist_n in_o the_o same_o external_a way_n worship_v the_o host_n and_o it_o be_v know_v that_o this_o practice_n come_v in_o with_o the_o belief_n of_o christ_n bodily_a presence_n in_o the_o sacrament_n and_o the_o papist_n profess_v that_o if_o they_o do_v not_o believe_v that_o they_o will_v not_o so_o kneel_v and_o be_v it_o fit_a that_o we_o shall_v so_o symbolize_v with_o they_o which_o by_o this_o practice_n we_o do_v to_o that_o degree_n that_o it_o be_v not_o easy_a to_o distinguish_v our_o adoration_n from_o they_o by_o the_o spectator_n of_o both_o these_o ground_n i_o have_v but_o hint_v be_v speak_v to_o more_o large_o by_o other_o sect._n 12._o he_o debate_v next_o with_o mr._n a._n pag._n 386._o for_o say_v that_o on_o the_o same_o reason_n that_o the_o church_n impose_v these_o ceremony_n she_o may_v impose_v some_o use_n of_o image_n etc._n etc._n to_o which_o the_o dr._n bring_v three_o answer_n fill_v four_o page_n all_o this_o discourse_n may_v have_v be_v wave_v for_o neither_o mr._n a._n nor_o any_o of_o we_o do_v ever_o make_v that_o a_o ground_n of_o separation_n though_o we_o plead_v against_o the_o ceremony_n on_o that_o ground_n if_o they_o will_v remove_v the_o present_a ceremony_n we_o shall_v not_o for_o the_o assert_v a_o impose_v power_n leave_v they_o nor_o out_o of_o fear_n of_o what_o may_v come_v sect._n 13._o the_o last_o plea_n for_o separation_n that_o the_o dr._n first_o devise_v and_o then_o refute_v be_v sect._n 38._o that_o there_o be_v a_o parity_n of_o reason_n for_o our_o separate_n from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o from_o the_o protestant_n separate_v from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o this_o plea_n he_o impute_v to_o mr._n a._n in_o his_o preface_n he_o shall_v have_v say_v epistle_n dedicatory_a to_o mischief_n of_o imposition_n but_o i_o do_v not_o find_v that_o mr._n a._n or_o any_o other_o ever_o use_v such_o a_o plea._n all_o that_o he_o say_v there_o be_v ad_fw-la hominem_fw-la against_o the_o dr_n ordinary_a cry_v out_o on_o we_o for_o separate_v from_o a_o true_a church_n whereas_o the_o dr._n himself_o have_v own_v rome_n to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n ration_n account_n p._n 293._o and_o def_n against_o t._n g._n p._n 785._o and_o yet_o allow_v separation_n from_o that_o church_n wherefore_o i_o shall_v no_o further_o consider_v any_o thing_n that_o he_o say_v on_o that_o head_n and_o i_o conclude_v with_o the_o dr._n and_o declare_v as_o he_o do_v to_o the_o contrary_a that_o i_o have_v examine_v all_o that_o he_o have_v say_v on_o the_o present_a subject_n and_o do_v find_v still_o remain_v sufficient_a plea_n to_o justify_v the_o present_a practice_n of_o nonconformist_n in_o not_o join_v with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n but_o worship_v god_n in_o meet_v apart_o from_o it_o sect._n 14._o the_o learned_a dr._n be_v please_v to_o append_v to_o his_o book_n to_o set_v it_o off_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d three_o letter_n of_o three_o french_a divine_n print_v first_o in_o french_a and_o then_o in_o english_a ad_fw-la pompam_fw-la for_o it_o be_v little_a ad_fw-la pugnam_fw-la but_o he_o may_v know_v what_o ever_o difference_n we_o give_v to_o learned_a and_o good_a man_n their_o authority_n without_o scripture_n proof_n which_o we_o yet_o desiderate_a will_v not_o prevail_v with_o we_o to_o alter_v our_o opinion_n or_o practice_n let_v the_o dr._n call_v it_o obstinacy_n or_o by_o what_o name_n he_o please_v the_o first_o of_o they_o be_v from_o mounseur_fw-fr le_fw-fr moyne_n professor_n of_o divinity_n in_o leyden_n to_o the_o bp._n of_o london_n the_o authority_n of_o which_o letter_n not_o of_o the_o learned_a author_n of_o it_o we_o have_v good_a cause_n to_o neglect_v because_o it_o be_v apparent_a to_o any_o that_o read_v it_o that_o it_o be_v write_v by_o a_o stranger_n to_o we_o upon_o gross_a misinformation_n of_o our_o principle_n for_o he_o say_v page_n 404._o that_o he_o can_v not_o have_v persuade_v himself_o that_o there_o have_v be_v any_o who_o believe_v that_o a_o man_n can_v not_o be_v save_v in_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o i_o join_v with_o he_o so_o far_o that_o i_o know_v not_o nor_o hear_v of_o one_o nonconformist_a of_o that_o opinion_n but_o thus_o it_o seem_v we_o be_v by_o our_o brethren_n represent_v abroad_o and_o then_o precarious_a letter_n get_v by_o such_o mean_n must_v be_v produce_v as_o witness_n against_o we_o he_o also_o represent_v we_o as_o if_o we_o condemn_v all_o to_o hell_n that_o use_v the_o ceremony_n page_n 405._o and_o the_o same_o he_o say_v about_o the_o church-discipline_n ibid._n and_o that_o we_o imagine_v that_o we_o be_v the_o only_a man_n in_o england_n yea_o in_o the_o christian_a world_n that_o be_v predestinate_v to_o eternal_a happiness_n and_o that_o hold_v truth_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n as_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v hold_v so_o he_o page_v 408._o he_o also_o page_n 409._o tell_v we_o of_o a_o non-conformist-meeting_a he_o be_v at_o in_o london_n where_o he_o expose_v the_o meeting_n and_o preacher_n as_o very_o ridiculous_a and_o his_o calling_n the_o preacher_n one_o of_o the_o most_o famous_a nonconformist_n show_v he_o to_o be_v either_o a_o very_a great_a stranger_n to_o they_o or_o somewhat_o that_o be_v worse_a let_v any_o now_o judge_n whether_o such_o a_o testimony_n be_v to_o be_v receive_v against_o we_o sect._n 15._o the_o second_o letter_n from_o mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr l'_fw-fr angle_n speak_v the_o reverend_n and_o learned_a author_n of_o it_o to_o be_v a_o ingenious_a and_o sober_a person_n but_o in_o some_o thing_n misinform_v by_o the_o episcopal_a party_n he_o lament_v our_o division_n so_o do_v we_o he_o be_v for_o compliance_n with_o the_o ceremony_n be_v settle_v but_o be_v far_o enough_o from_o approve_v of_o they_o the_o former_a part_n of_o this_o i_o impute_v to_o his_o being_n less_o concern_v to_o consider_v these_o thing_n than_o we_o be_v he_o state_v our_o separation_n main_o