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A94142 Tvvo letters: the one to subtile papist: the other to a zealous Presbyterian. In both which the authour conceives he hath said enough to keepe any man from the Roman Church, in the generall of religion, and from the Presbyterian congregation in the particular of the eucharist, or the Lords Supper: because St Paul saies, 1 Cor. 11. 16. Wee know no such custome, neither the Church of God. By T. Swadling, D.D. Swadlin, Thomas, 1600-1670. 1653 (1653) Wing S6230; Thomason E712_1; ESTC R207131 21,573 32

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passage be allowed concerning Babylon in their signification Rome the seat of Antichrist Yet more then probable it is If the Pope were Head of the Church by vertue of such succession That the writers of the New Testament are frequently forewarning men of Heretiques of false Prophets of false Christs should never so much as once arme them against such Heretiques against such false Prophets against such false Christs by letting them know this onely meanes of avoiding them and turning them over to the Pope the Head of the Church That so great a part of the new Testament should be emploied against Antichrist and so little indeed nothing at all about the Vidar of Christ and Guide of the Faithfull the Pope or Bishop of Rome Strange it seemes to me that my blessed Saviour Jesus Christ should leave this the onely means for the ending of controversies and speak so obscurely and ambiguously of it that now our Judge is the greatest controversie and the greatest hinderance of ending them Strange it is to me That there should be better evidence in the Scripture to entitle the King to this Office who disclaimes it then the Pope who pretends it Strange it seems to me That if Saint Peter had been Head of the Church he should never exercise over the Apostles in generall or any one of them in particular any one Act of jurisdiction nor they nor any one of them should ever give him any one title of Authority over them Strange it seems to me That if the Apostles did know that Saint Peter was made Head over them when Christ said Thou art Peter c. they should still contend who should be the first and that Christ should not tell them St. Peter was the man Strange it appears to me if this were true That Saint Paul should say He was in nothing inferiour to the very chief Apostles Strange still it seems to me That the Catechumeni in the Primitive Church should never be taught this Foundation of their Faith That the Fathers Tertullian Saint Hierome and Optatus when they flew highest in the commendation of the Roman Church should attribute no more to her then to other Apostolicall Churches That in the Controversie about Easter the Bishops of Asia should be so ill catechised as not to know this principle of Christian Religion The necessity of Conformity with the Church of Rome That they should never be pressed with any such Conformity in all things but onely with the particular Tradition of the Western Church in that point That Frycanus and many other Bishops notwithstanding Ad hanc ecclesiam necesse est omnem Ecclesiam convenire should not yet think that to be a necessarie and sufficient ground of excommunication which the Church of Rome taught to be so That St. Cyprian and the Bishops of Africa should be so ill instructed in their Faith as not to know this Foundation of it That they were never urged with any such Conformity with the Church of Rome nor were charged with Heresie or Error for denying it That when Liberius joyned in Communion with the Arians and subscribed their Heresie the Arians then should not be the Church and guide of Faith That never any Heretiques for five ages after Christ were pressed with this Argument The Pope is the Head of the Church nor charged with the denyall of it as a detestable Heresie so that Aeneas Sylvius should have cause to say Ante tempora Concilii Niceni quisque sibi vivebat parvus respectus habebatur ad Ecclesiam Romanam That the Ecclesiasticall story of those times mention no Acts of Authority of the Church of Rome over other Churches as if there should be a Monarchy and Kings for some ages together should exercise no Acts of Jurisdiction in it That to supply this defect The Decretall Epistles should be so impudently forged which in a manner speak nothing but Reges Monarchas The Popes making Lawes for exercising Authority over all other Churches That the African Churches in Saint Austins time should be ignorant that the Pope was Head of the Church and Judge of Appeales Iure divino and that there was a necessity of conformity with the Church of Rome in this and all other points of Doctrine That the Popes themselves should be ignorant of the true ground of their Authority as to pretend to it not upon Scripture and Universall Tradition but upon an Imaginarie Canon of the Councill of Nice That Vincentius Lyrinensis seeking for a Guide of his faith and a preservative from Heresie should be ignorant of this so ready a one The Pope is the Head of the Church Sir These are some and enough of my many Reasons why I dare not be why you should not be a Papist If yet you cannot jumpe with me in my opinion or will not perform your promise upon my Non-conviction Yet I pray give me leave to subscribe my self Sir Your friend and Servant THO. SVVADLIN Sir the Question is Opponent Whether it be lawfull for a Minister to give the Sacrament of the Lords Supper in that generall and promiscuous way that was usuall in former times and many now desire and contend for I hold the Negative and that upon these ensuing grounds Respond Sir The Question was not this For it was never questioned untill now nor now by any but by your self and other of your selfish opinion The question should be this whether it be lawfull for a generall and promiscuous sinner to receive that Sacrament And so it had been determined without breach of Unity the Unity of Verity the Unity of Charity the Unity of Authority For he that receives it so receives it unworthyly whereas the question that you have started is the breach of all these Unities and some more viz. the Unity of Perswasion and the Unity of Necessity But Unity is the least desire of some men also the flames of Controversie had e're this been aslaked and extinguished and some godly or tolerable peace re-established in the Church even in this Church which is bleeding to death by the Spirits of Contention Spirits that straine at Gnats and swallow Camells Spirits that raise such questions and so many as may puzzle a wise man to answer and force a pious man to bedew with teares and rather require silence then words for satisfaction But you have proposed this question and in it you hold the Negative and that upon these three ensuing grounds Opponent 1. To administer it so seemes to me to be a manifest perverting of our Saviours intention and end in giving that Ordinance Respond In this question I hold the Affirmative and that upon these three ensuing grounds and they are your own to see if you will be the Master of your word and confesse a Conquest though I protest unto you it is not Conquest but Truth that I contend for Verity not Victory is my desire and will therefore confine my selfe to your Teddar and therefore I say 1. So to administer it