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A42563	The Council of Trent no free assembly more fully discovered by a collection of letters and papers of the learned Dr. Vargas and other great ministers, who assisted at the said Synod in considerable posts : published from the original manuscripts in Spanish, which were procured by the Right Honourable Sir William Trumbull's grandfather, envoy at Brussels in the reign of King James the First : with an introductory discourse concerning councils, shewing how they were brought under bondage to the Pope / [translated] by Michael Geddes ...	Geddes, Michael, 1650?-1713.; Vargas Mejia, Francisco de, 1484-1560.	1697 (1697)	Wing G445; ESTC R16012	203,517	370

His Majesty would write likewise to the said Baldwin about it and would charge his Embassadour Don Diego de Mendoza to look after it I beseech your Lordship to have compassion on the Bishop who is your Lordship's and that holy Church City and Kingdom 's Creature I had writ thus far when your Lordship's Letter of the 17th instant came to my Hand by the way of Dr. Malvenda with which I received a signal Favour and which is greater than I am able to express in understanding thereby how well disposed your most Reverend Lordship is to do me any kindness May God give me strength to be able to serve your Lordship as much as I am bound and am willing to serve you As to the Letters to which your Lordship has received no Answer to that which was of greatest importance I returned an Answer by the way of Dr. Malvenda and to the first by the Bishop of Oviedo and it goes to my very Soul that your Lordship did not receive them As to the Dignity having as your Lordship will see writ concerning it before I received your Lordship's Letter I have nothing to add but only to supplicate your Lordship again to do me the Favour therein that I have desired And as to the Subsidy the best way that I can think of for the payment of it is to make me Captain of the Band of one and twenty Pensioners with the seven thousand Ducats I am owing to them and with my great Poverty and the other Debts I have upon me and if this will not do for the payment of what I do not injoy I believe a Letter from your Lordship to the Bishop of Lugo might go a great way towards it to whom your most Reverend Lordship may be pleased to write that since my Predecessour Don Antonio de Fonseca received all the Fruits of those Years and who at this time receives more Rent out of the Bishoprick than I do that it is but just that he that owes it and not he who does not should pay it As to what your Lordship writes concerning the Shedule of Carthagena I do kiss your Lordship's Hands for that Favour and do beg it of your Lordship that you would command it to be done wherein your Lordship will do me both a favour and justice and that without doing any injury to the Bishop I do likewise kiss your most Reverend Hands for the Kindness you promise to do me with the Legate and with some other Persons and I do beseech your most Reverend Lordship when you write to the Legate to mention the Church of Pamplona to him and that it may not be wronged I am much pleased with the last Article in your most Reverend Lordship's Letter I pray God the dispatch the Fiscal is to bring may be for his Service and that of His Majesty and the quiet of Germany May our Lord prosper your Lordship's most Illustrious and Reverend Person and increase your State I kiss your most Reverend Lordship's Hands Your Servant The Bishop of Pamplona From Trent the 20th of February 1552. Here follows half a dozen Lines writ with the Bishop's own Hand which I was not able to read The Bishop of Pamplona's Letter of the 27th of February 1552 to the Bishop of Arras Most Illustrious and Reverend Lord BY the letter I sent to your most Reverend Lordship by my Servant I acquainted you with the wrong they are about to do the Bishop of Pamplona and to whom a greater cannot be done and not to him only but to that Church and Kingdom on an account of the College but being sensible how forward your Lordship is to do favours I cannot forbear begging of you Nam ut placet Chrysostomo petentis negligentia reprehenditur ubi de dantis misericordia non dubitatur For which reason I do return to supplicate your most Reverend Lordship for to stand our friend and since delays in such cases are very dangerous I who am your Lordship's Creature would esteem it a great Kindness if you would be pleased to write to the Legate about this Affair and to let him know how unreasonable a thing it is in the time of a Council instead of a Reformation to help us to a Deformation and especially when the Bishop of the place is serving God and His Majesty at it and at a greater expence than he is able to bear it will be necessary likewise that your Lordship should with His Majesty's Letters write one your self to the Embassadour Don Diego de Mendoza which if it is not dispatched quickly will I fear come too late And that your most Reverend Lordship may have a perfect knowledge of the wrong that will be done thereby to the Bishop the Church and the whole Kingdom your Lordship is to understand that in former times when Navarre was under petty Kings who had scarce Bread to put in their Mouths the Popes never offered to dispose of any Preferment therein and especially in the Cathedral Church in all which times there is no President of their having done any such thing and shall we now when under so powerfull a King and who is so well able to defend his Kingdoms endure to have such things imposed upon us as those petty Kings would never have suffered Now were there nothing else but this I think it is enough to engage your Lordship to defend me and that Kingdom I forgot to tell your Lordship in my former that the French Licentiate is my Enemy though I do not know for what unless it be for his being a friend to Verio who is one of the Council and besides Archdeacon and Canon of the Church This Verio having forgot that it is his Office to do justice and hinder all Violences abuseth the Royal Authority in doing them himself and in having turned a Procuratour for all desperate Causes with whom being armed with the Royal Authority no body dares contend I beseech your Lordship to write to the said French Licentiate to favour my Causes so far as they are just and not to do the contrary who being a Creature of your Lordships as I am likewise ought for that reason to do me justice I must intreat your most Reverend Lordship not to be offended with my Letters since I have no other Patron to succour me in my Necessities The Fiscal Vargas has since he arrived here been so taken up with business that he has scarce suffered any body to see him But being yesterday at the Sermon which was preached by the Archbishop of Granada he told me by the bye and in general upon my asking him what resolution he had brought that His Majesty was against any change or having the Council prorogued nevertheless we do no more since his Arrival than we did before but do still continue here idle May our Lord prosper your Lordship's most Illustrious and Reverend Person and increase your State Most Illustrious Lord I kiss your Most Reverend Lordship's Hands Your

discontented he has locked himself up and does not care that any body should see him I am apt to believe the jealousies he has conceived of the Affairs at Rome are the chief Cause of his Illness For I am told he has received advice of the Pope's making more use of some of the new Cardinals than he would have had him Which knowing the easiness of the Pope's temper has put him into a great fright I must intreat your Lordship again to dispatch the Fiscal with all possible expedition for the reasons I have formerly given as I do also that you would send Dr. Gregory Lopez to us quickly who is every day more and more wished for here by the Prelates who are in great want of him The Electour of Triers is extreamly earnest for a licence to go home and has desired one of His Majesty if he does not feign he is very much indisposed and who though he was never very eloquent is now less than ever he was being neither able to speak nor understand a word that is said to him May our Lord preserve and prosper your Lordship's most Illustrious Person and increase your State Your Lordship 's most obliged Servant Don Francisco de Toledo From Trent the 7th of February 1552. The Bishop of Oren's Letter of the 12th of October 1551 to the Bishop of Arras Most Illustrious and Reverend Lord YOur most Reverend Lordship has just cause to thank God for your having got so able a Minister to conduct and countenance the Affairs of this Holy Council which do now begin to have some life in them neither have we any reason to fear but that God who now begins to restore his Church to life again by the Ministry of our Lord the Emperour will restore His Majesty's Health that so he may be able to do things that will force his Enemies to confess that God is on his side The Session that was celebrated yesterday was so full of Grandure and Holiness as to give us fresh hopes of which since the Embassadours must have given an account I have nothing to say but only that God did certainly inspire His Majesty in commanding the Communion Sub utraque specie and of Infants to be suspended which being things whereon so much stress is laid in those Provinces it would have been a great Errour for to have determined them in the first Session without having heard the Protestants The Embassadours of the King of the Romans have given us a great deal of trouble in this matter by having affirmed that to be of Divine Right as your Lordship must have been informed nevertheless by their having since submitted themselves to the correction of the Council that danger is over The Messengers of the Marquiss of Brandenburg have given us great satisfaction whose Master by having submitted himself in earnest to all the determinations of the Council has given a good Example so that should the Count Palatine Maurice and Wittenburg but do the same when they come we should recover perfect hopes of remedy Every thing has been done in this Session that His Majesty had ordered and in my judgment as was most convenient only one thing excepted and against which I gave my Vote which was its being declared in the last Canon that Sacramental Confession is necessary to be made before the Celebration which though in it self very just and certain nevertheless since we are in the next Session to handle Sacramental Confession and to argue whether Vocal Confession is necessary and whether it is of Divine Right and who is the Minister thereof I say since all this is then to be treated of and determined I was against having had it declared in this Session that Confession was daily necessary and the rather because it has not as yet been declared to be so annually For though it is probable that they who are to argue it pro and con may make no difficulty in that point nevertheless I was for having every thing that related to Sacramental Confession determined in the next Session First as to all its Generals and afterwards as to all its particulars whereas the Protestants will now say that there is no room left for them to dispute about it since it is already declared in this to be necessary but since my Vote did not take effect I will believe that what has been done was best As to what concerns a Reformation His Majesty's Assistance will be found to be necessary to it who must set himself about it in earnest both with the Pope and the Fathers for if he does not we shall have our Wounds only skinned over but shall have the rotten Core left to the corrupting of all quickly again for my own part I cannot see nor perceive any thing that looks like warmth for a Reformation in the Presidents On the contrary they have told us plainly that we must accept of what they will be pleased to give us without offering to speak a word for any more this is enough to let your most Reverend Lordship see what is most convenient to be done for God's and His Majesty's Service and you are to know farther that the Prelates here are all very much troubled to see with how ill a Grace People that say any thing of a Reformation are heard The Answer to the King of France and the safe Conduct of the Protestants are conformable to what His Majesty had ordered and so shall every thing be to the Commands he shall send God preserve your Lordship's most Illustrious and Reverend Person and increase your State Most Illustrious and Reverend Lord Your Servant The Bishop of Oren. From Trent the 12th of October 1551. The Bishop of Oren's Letter of the 28th of November 1551 to the Bishop of Arras Most Illustrious and Reverend Lord IN your Illustrious Lordship's last Letter to me of the Ninth of November I received a signal Favour as I shall always do in knowing that I am capable of serving your Lordship It was a great Service of His Majesty the Embassadours acquainted us withall viz. His Majesty's having ordered that nothing be treated of that shall be to the prejudice of the Prelates by which means all the Discourse that was here about Benefices is turned to other matters which they call a Reformation as your Lordship will see by the Canons which are sent by the Embassadours of which we accepted because as your Illustrious Lordship had wisely advised it is necessary we should tread warily and at present accept of what they will give us But the mischief is that they are sensible of this our patience and so do discover little or no inclination for to do any thing that deserves the Name of a true Reformation notwithstanding as your Lordship well observes several things might be done that would be of great advantage to the People and would be no prejudice to His Holiness or to his Court May God remedy things under whom unless His Majesty and

many Friends abroad did set about establishing their own Authority by passing the following Decrees 1. That the Sacred Synod of Basil in having been assembled according to the Decrees of the Councils of Constance and Siena and with the Concurrence of the Pope was a lawful General Council 2. That being a lawful General Council all Christians of whatsoever State or Dignity the Papal not excepted were bound to yield Obedience to it in all Matters of Faith the Extirpation of Schism and the general Reformation of the Church in its Head and Members 3. That whosoever of whatsoever State or Dignity the Papal not excepted should deny to yield Obedience to the Statutes of any General Council relating to any of the forementioned Matters deserve to be punished 4. That it should not be lawful for any Member of the Council to absent himself from it or to depart from the City of Basil without leave of the Council From which Decrees they inferred That the Papal nor no other Authority on Earth had Power to prorogue translate or dissolve the General Council of Basil without its own Consent or to hinder any Prelats from repairing to it or to oblige any that assisted at it to withdraw In virtue whereof they admonished Eugenius within the space of three Months by a publick Bull to revoke his pretended Dissolution of them and to come in Person to the Council or being lawfully hindred by his Legats in default whereof they threatned to proceed against him as the Holy Ghost should direct them for the Good of the Church Cardinal Julianus perceiving what a Storm Eugenius was like to raise against himself and the Papacy notwithstanding his Hoarsness called upon him once more telling him in a very loud Note That if he went on opposing the Council he would bring the Indignation of all Europe upon his Back it being plain to every body that the Assembly of Basil was a General Council by the same Authority that he was Pope that is by the Authority of the Synod of Constance concluding his Letter to him thus I have often declared and protested and I do it now again in the sight of God and Men That if your Holiness do not change your Measures you will infallibly be the Cause of a most pernicious Schism Eugenius being taken dangerously sick at this time the Basileans when they heard of it passed a Decree presently That in case of a Vacancy of the Roman See it should not be lawful for the Cardinals to chuse a Pope any where but in the Place where the Council was sitting and fearing lest Eugenius might if he died before his Death have named some Cardinals they decreed likewise That since the multiplying of Cardinals was both prejudicial and chargeable to the Church it should not be lawful for the Pope to create any during the Session of the Council ordering at the same time a Leaden Seal to be made for the Use of the Synod which on the one side was to have the Holy Ghost in the figure of a Dove and on the other The Sacred General Council of Basil and having constituted the Cardinal St. Eustathia Governour and Vicar of the City of Avignion and named Judges and Prosecutors in Matters of Faith and all the other Officers of a Court of Judicature they passed a Decree That no Person belonging to the Council could be called from it to the Court of Rome or to any other Place Eugenius beginning to fear lest the Council which grew every Day stronger and stouter might if he did not do something to mollify them serve him as that of Constance had done John the 23d did much against the grain of his own Nature and the haughty Spirit of his See submit so far as to send three Nuncios to them who having in a publick Audience made long Harangues of the Mischiefs of a Schism and of the great Power Christ had committed to the Pope were answered by the Fathers and dismissed with this Message to their Master that the Sacred Synod could not treat with him until by a publick Bull he had revoked his pretended Dissolution of it and did either come in Person or send his Legats to preside in it And the Prosecutors of the Causes of the Synod after that the Term in the Citation was expired having demanded that Eugenius should be pronounced Contumacious in order to their proceeding farther against him the said Nuncios humbly beseeched the Synod to suspend the passing of that Sentence upon their Master which at the Request of Sigismund was granted and sixty Days more were allowed to him to comply with what was required During which Term Eugenius sent other Nuncios with some Propositions of Accommodation the revoking his late Bull publickly which the Synod insisted on being a thing of so hard digestion that he did not know how to swallow it The Propositions offered by the new Nuncios to the Synod were That Eugenius if they would revoke all the Decrees they had made against him was ready to revoke all in general he had said or done against them and that if they would consent to his having called a Council at Bononia if the Bohemians should refuse to come to that City he was content to allow the Fathers some time to treat with them at Basil on condition that when the Term he had set them was expired they should immediately repair to Bononia Against which City if the Fathers had any just Exception they might name any other City in Italy and if they would not agree to that neither that they should then name twelve of the most moderate Prelats of their own Body in conjunction with the Embassadors to be Judges of the whole Matter who if they should judg it to be most convenient that the Council should sit in Germany should name any City therein for it except Basil The Fathers being extreamly offended with these shuffling Propositions told the Nuncios That they could not sufficiently admire at their Proposals being so involved and clogged with Reservations as if the Matters they came to treat with them were not of a religious Nature and to be handled with Integrity but were Matters of Trade or Commerce and fit only to be treated about by Hucksters A most true Character of all that the Popes did to destroy the Supremacy of Councils Adding That since Eugenius had not by any thing that they had proposed intimated his being ready to revoke his Bull of Dissolution but on the contrary seemed rather to seek to have it confirmed they could not therefore take any notice of their Propositions but must go on with their Proceedings against him as a Contemner of the Authority of General Councils For the farther Security whereof they passed a Decree That no Person should hereafter be capable of being chosen Pope who had not given his Consent and Assent upon Oath to the Doctrine of the Synod of Constance concerning the Supremacy of General Councils and their being

and I suppose they are not of much greater force at Rome those People having shut their eyes with a resolution notwithstanding all things should go to wrack not to understand any thing that do's not suit with their interests So that by what I can perceive both God and his Majesty are like to be very much dishonoured by what will be done here and if things should go on thus and be brought to such an issue as the Pope and his Ministers aim at and give out the Church will be left in a much worse condition than she was in before It will therefore be expedient after this Session is over and matters are become more desperate if that is possible than they are at present to set about applying some remedies by taking some other methods I am sensible of the great pains your Lordship is at in doing all good Offices both at Rome and with the Nuncio in order to inform the Pope aright and to bring him to alter his measures I pray God he may be prevailed with to do it though for my own part I shall reckon it a Miracle if he is and shall thank God for it as such In the mean while I shall after your Lordship's Example comfort my self with the thoughts of what God oftentimes useth to do when things are reduced to such a desperate estate that no humane prudence is sufficient for them which we may the rather hope for in this case because God's Honour and the Reformation of the Church are immediately concerned in it But after all God only knows after what manner such a remedy will be apply'd and whether by such ways as we think it will and desire it should As to the Protestants coming hither I do not know what to say to it only if other methods are not taken here their coming will be to no purpose and they will return worse than they came and especially if they should be such persons as your Lordship is informed they are God may nevertheless notwithstanding all their Rebellions and Determinations bring them hither to enlighten both themselves and others as to their duties for which reason as there are several that do wish they were here so there are others who cannot endure to hear of their coming and much less to see it The two Protestants that are here already do pretend to have no other business but to provide Lodgings for the rest though I rather think they are sent before as Spies The Bohemians having taken the same course at the Council of Basil who after a great many Offers would not venture to come before they were advised by two they had sent before Rem agi serio nec subesse dolum The meaning of which may easily be understood It is reported that Melancthon and the rest of them appeared obstinate and resolute in their Errors at the Assembly of Wittemburg if that is true there is but little hopes of reducing them neither will I ever believe they will come before I see them here The Divines continued their Disputations till the last day of the last month and since the second Instant the Bishops have been Voting upon the Articles that have been proposed to them So that according to the course the Legate takes they will have done in five or six days and after that the time that remains will be spent in forming the Decrees which being done the Bishops will return to give their Votes to them and pass them into Doctrines Your Lordship may see by this how they intend to employ the time that is behind though nothing is more certain than that thorough the artifices and methods that are used to ingage people and thorough the Council's having no strength left it being totally deprived of its authority and freedom by the Legate who has taken it all entirely into his own hand if a Session were to last half a year it would be the same thing as it is now so that we shall have no cause to wonder at any thing that shall be done here but shall have great cause to be thankfull for what they shall leave undone Dr. Malvenda had been very ill of a Catarrh but is now pretty well again he has not deserved to be sick and is a person for whom I have a very great kindness I kiss your Lordship's hands a thousand times for what you have done in relation to my particular affairs and I do rely so much on your friendship that I take but little care of them my self I have not as yet been able to recover the Money which was assigned me at Naples towards the defraying of my Charges the Goods which used to be remitted to me having been hindred from coming by reason of the Ways being stopt by the War so that I am and have been much pinched with want I have writ to Secretary Vargas concerning it and that he would be pleased to send me such a Dispatch as that which was sent to Don Francisco de Toledo for the recovery of his eight thousand Ducats I must beg it of your Lordship to promote this as also to write to the Viceroy to remit that Money to me immediately which tho' a small thing for him to do would be of great importance to me considering how the Times are and the Charge I live at here The Lord prosper and preserve your most Illustrious and Reverend Person and State for many years as I desire I kiss your Lordship's Hands Doctor Vargas From Trent the 12th of November 1551. Dr. Vargas's Letter of the 26th of November 1551 to the Bishop of Arras Most Illustrious and most Reverend Lord I Have already writ to your Lordship at large as I do now again our affairs requiring I should do so His Majesty's Dispatches which were very proper and such as I wished them being arrived Don Francisco has been to speak with the Legate It would be a tedious business to Relate all that passed between them for which Reason and because Don Francisco himself must have writ an account of it I shall only tell you that the Legate behaved himself on this as he has done on all other occasions and as we expected of him Perfricuit nempe frontem insigniter Your Lordship may be satisfy'd that there are not words to Express the pride disrespect and shamelesness wherewith he proceeds in these affairs for being persuaded that we act timorously and that his Majesty will be cautious how he do's any thing that may Minister occasion to any alteration or that may disgust the Pope he says and do's things that astonish the World treating the Prelates that are here as so many Slaves protesting and swearing when he is displeased that he will be gone immediately by which means he carries whatever he has a mind to And as there is no likelihood of his ever changing his behaviour so the success and end of this Synod if God by a Miracle do's not prevent it will be such as I