point_n of_o doctrine_n the_o great_a papist_n in_o the_o world_n agree_v with_o us._n perswas_n page_n 11._o these_o be_v my_o word_n i_o deny_v they_o not_o moreover_o i_o do_v instance_n in_o these_o fundamental_a point_n wherein_o they_o consent_v with_o we_o and_o thereupon_o i_o infer_v that_o they_o do_v rash_o condemn_v we_o for_o heretic_n what_o then_o follow_v will_v he_o therefore_o infer_v that_o either_o hold_v the_o fundamental_a point_n therefore_o their_o superstition_n and_o error_n may_v safe_o be_v maintain_v or_o that_o therefore_o they_o may_v be_v just_o excuse_v for_o not_o communicate_v with_o we_o as_o if_o their_o consent_n with_o we_o in_o fundamental_a point_n shall_v be_v a_o cause_n why_o they_o shall_v the_o rather_o abhor_v our_o church_n &_o religion_n it_o be_v a_o sufficient_a prejudice_n to_o the_o cause_n of_o their_o religion_n that_o they_o dispute_v in_o such_o loose_a manner_n again_o he_o say_v so_o doctor_n dove_n in_o his_o whole_a treatise_n never_o charge_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n either_o with_o schism_n or_o heresy_n but_o labour_v to_o excuse_v themselves_o offer_v that_o we_o shall_v communicate_v with_o they_o without_o any_o change_n of_o opinion_n and_o yet_o he_o set_v down_n this_o for_o a_o infallible_a position_n this_o proposition_n be_v undoubted_o true_a no_o heretic_n or_o schismatic_n be_v to_o be_v communicate_v withal_o perswas_n pag._n 5._o in_o that_o i_o have_v not_o charge_v they_o with_o schism_n or_o heresy_n i_o have_v show_v that_o we_o be_v more_o charitable_a to_o they_o than_o they_o be_v to_o we_o which_o do_v charge_v we_o with_o both_o in_o that_o he_o say_v i_o only_o labour_v to_o excuse_v ourselves_o as_o if_o i_o have_v prove_v nothing_o to_o clear_v we_o from_o that_o injust_a aspersion_n i_o refer_v he_o to_o the_o place_n itself_o where_o i_o have_v make_v due_a proof_n that_o we_o be_v free_a from_o both_o heresy_n and_o schism_n by_o such_o sound_a reason_n as_o this_o author_n can_v answer_v but_o whereas_o he_o say_v it_o be_v offer_v on_o my_o part_n that_o they_o shall_v at_o their_o pleasure_n communicate_v with_o we_o without_o change_n of_o opinion_n he_o burden_v i_o with_o a_o untruth_n by_o himself_o divise_v and_o not_o to_o be_v quote_v out_o of_o any_o of_o my_o book_n in_o so_o write_v he_o may_v fill_v up_o a_o volume_n but_o he_o shall_v never_o strengthen_v his_o own_o cause_n of_o weaken_v we_o moreover_o say_v he_o he_o give_v we_o security_n that_o by_o no_o possibility_n according_a to_o the_o former_a reason_n of_o general_a counsel_n the_o roman_a church_n can_v be_v judge_v heretical_a his_o word_n be_v these_o pag._n 14._o no_o church_n can_v be_v condemn_v and_o judge_v heretical_a by_o any_o private_a censure_n but_o it_o must_v be_v public_a by_o a_o general_a council_n as_o he_o there_o expound_v himself_o and_o be_v grant_v before_o but_o what_o do_v he_o conclude_v out_o of_o this_o that_o because_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v not_o condemn_v by_o a_o general_a council_n to_o be_v heretical_a it_o must_v needs_o be_v therefore_o orthodoxal_a this_o be_v such_o a_o consequent_a as_o neither_o protestant_n nor_o any_o other_o of_o sound_a judgement_n will_v grant_v five_o he_o charge_v i_o thus_o touch_v sacrament_n he_o allege_v pag._n 27._o 28._o that_o according_a to_o our_o definition_n of_o a_o sacrament_n there_o be_v as_o many_o as_o we_o teach_v and_o this_o shall_v not_o breed_v any_o jar_n between_o we_o that_o therefore_o we_o shall_v refuse_v to_o communicate_v together_o and_o transubstantiation_n itself_o shall_v be_v no_o bar_n but_o if_o we_o will_v receive_v at_o their_o hand_n they_o will_v not_o examine_v how_o we_o expound_v these_o word_n hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la this_o be_v my_o body_n pag._n 29._o and_o of_o discipline_n he_o write_v in_o that_o council_n of_o trent_n they_o set_v forth_o such_o wholesome_a canon_n concern_v discipline_n as_o be_v fit_a for_o a_o reform_a church_n i_o deny_v not_o these_o word_n but_o i_o deny_v that_o they_o make_v any_o thing_n for_o the_o defence_n of_o recusancy_n concern_v the_o word_n sacrament_n as_o it_o be_v a_o name_n divise_v by_o man_n but_o not_o find_v in_o the_o scripture_n so_o it_o be_v not_o any_o matter_n of_o salvation_n to_o vary_v about_o the_o number_n of_o sacrament_n especial_o among_o they_o with_o who_o it_o be_v not_o agree_v what_o a_o sacrament_n be_v for_o where_o word_n be_v not_o understand_v ad_fw-la idem_fw-la secundem_fw-la idem_fw-la etc._n etc._n nothing_o hinder_v but_o contrary_a or_o contradictory_n proposition_n may_v be_v both_o true_a as_o to_o say_v there_o be_v seven_o and_o there_o be_v not_o seven_o sacrament_n for_o so_o concern_v the_o number_n of_o sacrament_n they_o and_o we_o differ_v in_o word_n when_o we_o may_v easy_o agree_v in_o substance_n the_o word_n sacrament_n be_v strict_o take_v with_o we_o and_o so_o according_a to_o m._n calvin_n his_o definition_n it_o be_v a_o outward_a sign_n ordain_v of_o god_n to_o be_v continue_v in_o his_o church_n as_o a_o part_n of_o his_o divine_a service_n offer_v to_o all_o man_n but_o seal_v only_o to_o the_o faithful_a his_o inward_a grace_n for_o the_o strengthen_n of_o their_o say_v &_o the_o apply_v of_o christ_n his_o death_n unto_o they_o and_o so_o there_o can_v be_v but_o two_o according_a to_o the_o confession_n of_o saint_n augustine_n a_o resurrectione_n domini_fw-la quaedam_fw-la pauca_fw-la 9_o signapro_fw-la multis_fw-la eademque_fw-la factu_fw-la facillima_fw-la intellectu_fw-la augustissinta_fw-la obseruatione_n castissima_fw-la ipse_fw-la dominus_fw-la &_o apostolica_fw-la tradidit_fw-la disciplina_fw-la baptismum_fw-la &_o coenam_fw-la domini_fw-la since_o the_o lord_n his_o resurrection_n our_o saviour_n his_o self_n and_o from_o he_o his_o apostle_n have_v commend_v to_o we_o for_o outward_a sign_n or_o seal_n a_o very_a few_o in_o steed_n of_o many_o and_o those_o for_o performance_n most_o easy_a for_o signification_n most_o ample_a for_o observation_n most_o pure_a and_o holy_a and_o they_o be_v baptism_n and_o the_o lord_n supper_n but_o this_o word_n sacrament_n be_v more_o large_o take_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n for_o a_o sign_n in_o general_a although_o it_o do_v not_o apply_v unto_o we_o and_o represent_v before_o our_o eye_n the_o death_n of_o jesus_n christ_n and_o it_o be_v define_v to_o be_v signum_fw-la rei_fw-la sacra_fw-la a_o outward_a sign_n of_o any_o holy_a thing_n and_o according_a to_o that_o definition_n there_o may_v be_v not_o 3._o only_o 7._o but_o also_o 70._o sacrament_n of_o transubstantion_n have_v first_o prove_v that_o the_o bread_n and_o the_o wine_n in_o the_o eucharist_n can_v be_v transubstantiate_v and_o yet_o not_o deny_v they_o to_o be_v the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o our_o saviour_n because_o he_o have_v say_v they_o be_v so_o i_o say_v in_o that_o we_o both_o agree_v only_o the_o difference_n between_o we_o be_v how_o the_o word_n this_o be_v my_o body_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v whether_o real_o or_o sacramental_o proper_o or_o mystical_o and_o that_o it_o shall_v be_v no_o bar_n or_o scruple_n to_o their_o conscience_n in_o what_o sense_n we_o understand_v it_o so_o as_o we_o deliver_v it_o to_o they_o according_a to_o the_o institution_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n and_o that_o if_o they_o will_v in_o all_o other_o thing_n submit_v themselves_o to_o the_o law_n of_o our_o church_n we_o will_v not_o press_v they_o so_o far_o in_o examine_v they_o how_o they_o expound_v the_o word_n but_o rather_o yield_v so_o much_o to_o their_o weakness_n in_o this_o one_o point_n until_o god_n shall_v reveal_v a_o further_a measure_n of_o the_o knowledge_n of_o his_o truth_n unto_o they_o so_o these_o word_n of_o my_o import_n nothing_o in_o favour_n of_o transubstantiation_n three_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n have_v set_v down_o wholesome_a canon_n concern_v discipline_n as_o in_o part_n the_o 3._o lataran_n council_n do_v long_o before_o as_o namely_o for_o preach_v and_o 29._o learned_a minister_n etc._n etc._n and_o the_o reform_a church_n of_o england_n scotland_n germany_n netherlands_n geneva_n have_v receive_v many_o of_o those_o canon_n although_o they_o come_v from_o the_o pope_n as_o deem_v they_o fit_a for_o a_o reform_a church_n but_o these_o my_o word_n make_v nothing_o for_o the_o allowance_n of_o that_o council_n itself_o or_o of_o the_o point_n of_o doctrine_n there_o conclude_v neither_o yet_o of_o their_o recusancy_n among_o who_o for_o the_o most_o part_n these_o canon_n of_o discipline_n be_v not_o receive_v six_o concern_v the_o pope_n supremacy_n of_o europe_n there_o can_v be_v no_o question_n for_o general_o protestant_n agree_v with_o field_n dove_n ormerod_n that_o the_o regiment_n of_o the_o west_n church_n among_o which_o this_o nation_n be_v one_o belong_v to_o the_o pope_n of_o
rome_n page_n 29._o 30._o i_o speak_v of_o the_o pope_n supremacy_n and_o my_o word_n be_v these_o what_o authority_n soever_o the_o pope_n have_v over_o the_o latin_a church_n or_o west_n part_n of_o the_o world_n it_o have_v be_v give_v he_o by_o humane_a constitution_n only_o and_o general_a consent_n of_o prince_n and_o state_n which_o they_o suffer_v he_o to_o enjoy_v during_o their_o good_a like_n and_o no_o long_o and_o have_v thus_o show_v that_o the_o pope_n authority_n over_o other_o church_n be_v not_o by_o divine_a institution_n but_o only_o by_o humane_a permission_n not_o certain_a but_o during_o the_o pleasure_n of_o prince_n and_o state_n my_o word_n favour_v not_o his_o supremacy_n over_o we_o in_o england_n out_o of_o which_o by_o consent_n of_o prince_n and_o parliament_n he_o have_v be_v abandon_v long_o since_o and_o therefore_o i_o say_v the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n be_v little_o behold_v to_o i_o for_o his_o title_n of_o supremacy_n this_o be_v a_o very_a loose_a and_o negligent_a kind_n of_o disputation_n seven_o say_v he_o dove_n persw_n pag._n 15._o refer_v the_o question_n what_o book_n be_v canonical_a scripture_n to_o the_o two_o doctor_n s._n augustine_n and_o s._n hierom._n his_o word_n be_v these_o catholic_n prove_v they_o to_o be_v canonical_a out_o of_o s._n augustine_n we_o that_o they_o be_v apocrypha_n out_o of_o s._n hierome_n both_o which_o doctor_n be_v of_o no_o small_a authority_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n therefore_o in_o this_o we_o differ_v no_o more_o from_o they_o than_o s._n hierome_n do_v from_o s._n augustine_n therefore_o i_o hope_v for_o many_o cause_n protestant_n will_v give_v place_n to_o we_o in_o this_o question_n i_o deny_v not_o but_o the_o question_n be_v propound_v concern_v the_o book_n of_o toby_n judith_n baruch_n ecclesiasticus_fw-la wisdom_n the_o maccabe_n and_o the_o fragment_n of_o esther_n whether_o they_o be_v canonical_a as_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v hold_v or_o apocrypha_n as_o our_o church_n maintain_v i_o answer_v that_o forasmuch_o as_o there_o be_v canon_n fidei_fw-la &_o morum_fw-la one_o canon_n or_o rule_n of_o good_a life_n another_o of_o faith_n and_o that_o may_v be_v canon_n morum_fw-la quodnon_fw-la est_fw-la fidei_fw-la arule_n and_o pattern_n of_o good_a life_n for_o we_o to_o follow_v which_o be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a ground_n of_o doctrine_n to_o build_v our_o faith_n upon_o they_o be_v both_o canonical_a and_o apocrypha_n canonical_a according_a to_o saint_n augustins_n for_o rule_n of_o good_a life_n apocrypha_n according_a to_o s._n hierome_n because_o they_o be_v no_o true_a ground_n of_o doctrine_n and_o so_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o ourselves_o right_o understand_v one_o another_o as_o saint_n hierome_n and_o saint_n augustine_n understand_v themselves_o there_o need_v not_o be_v any_o difference_n concern_v this_o point_n between_o us._n but_o how_o can_v he_o infer_v upon_o this_o that_o therefore_o we_o must_v give_v place_n to_o he_o in_o this_o question_n as_o saint_n hierome_n give_v no_o place_n to_o saint_n augustine_n so_o will_v we_o give_v no_o place_n to_o any_o only_o i_o wish_v they_o will_v better_o understand_v both_o we_o and_o themselves_o and_o give_v place_n to_o the_o truth_n and_o forasmuch_o as_o they_o allow_v both_o of_o saint_n hierome_n and_o saint_n augustine_n to_o be_v orthodoxal_a doctor_n they_o can_v receive_v s._n augustine_n his_o opinion_n but_o they_o must_v also_o embrace_v s._n hieroms_n exposition_n where_o it_o be_v explain_v what_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o s._n augustine_n where_o he_o allow_v those_o book_n to_o be_v canonical_a eight_o say_v he_o concern_v the_o vulgar_a latin_a translation_n allow_v among_o catholic_n d._n dove_n write_v thus_o pag._n 16._o we_o grant_v it_o fit_a that_o for_o uniformity_n in_o quotation_n of_o place_n in_o school_n and_o pulpit_n one_o latin_a text_n shall_v be_v use_v and_o we_o can_v be_v content_v for_o the_o antiquity_n thereof_o to_o prefer_v the_o old_a vulgar_a translation_n before_o all_o other_o latin_a book_n and_o so_o much_o we_o yield_v to_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n the_o praemiss_n be_v i_o but_o what_o be_v his_o conclusion_n because_o we_o ascribe_v to_o the_o vulgar_a edition_n more_o than_o to_o all_o other_o latin_a translation_n and_o therein_o agree_v with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o because_o we_o yield_v to_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n so_o far_o as_o reason_n do_v require_v and_o no_o further_o but_o disagree_v both_o from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o that_o council_n in_o thing_n which_o be_v erroneous_a concedendo_fw-la vera_fw-la negando_fw-la falsa_fw-la will_v he_o therefore_o take_v this_o for_o a_o protestant_a proof_n of_o his_o catholic_a religion_n non_fw-la taliauxilio_fw-la nec_fw-la defensoribus_fw-la istis_fw-la roma_fw-la caret_fw-la if_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v no_o better_a champion_n it_o will_v not_o stand_v nine_o doctor_n covel_n write_v no_o translation_n whatsoever_o be_v authentical_a scripture_n and_o doctor_n dove_n add_v all_o translation_n have_v many_o fault_n page_n 16._o in_o so_o write_v i_o write_v the_o truth_n for_o only_a god_n be_v free_a from_o error_n and_o therefore_o only_a the_o original_a text_n be_v authentical_a scripture_n all_o man_n be_v subject_a to_o error_n omnis_fw-la homo_fw-la mendax_fw-la but_o all_o translation_n be_v the_o work_n of_o man_n but_o how_o idle_o be_v this_o bring_v in_o as_o a_o protestant_a proof_n of_o recusancy_n well_o may_v it_o serve_v against_o recusant_n which_o ascribe_v more_o to_o the_o translation_n they_o to_o the_o original_n if_o no_o translation_n be_v authentical_a than_o it_o follow_v as_o a_o firm_a consequent_a that_o the_o vulgar_a latin_a edition_n can_v be_v authentical_a howsoever_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n have_v impose_v it_o upon_o we_o as_o authentical_a ten_o for_o this_o time_n and_o place_n say_v he_o i_o will_v only_o make_v amplification_n of_o doctor_n dove_n his_o grant_n &_o confession_n which_o follow_v in_o these_o word_n when_o the_o mass_n be_v first_o put_v down_o king_n henry_n have_v his_o english_a litourgie_n and_o that_o be_v then_o judge_v absolute_a without_o all_o exception_n but_o when_o king_n edward_n come_v to_o the_o crown_n that_o be_v condemn_v and_o another_o be_v in_o the_o place_n which_o peter_n martyr_n and_o bucet_n do_v approve_v as_o very_o consonant_a to_o god_n word_n when_o q._n elizabeth_n begin_v her_o reign_n the_o former_a be_v judge_v to_o be_v full_a of_o imperfection_n and_o a_o new_a be_v divise_v &_o allow_v by_o consent_n of_o the_o clergy_n but_o about_o the_o middle_n of_o her_o reign_n we_o grow_v weary_a of_o that_o book_n &_o great_a mean_n have_v be_v wrought_v to_o abandon_v it_o &_o establish_v another_o which_o although_o it_o be_v not_o obtain_v yet_o we_o do_v at_o the_o least_o at_o every_o change_n of_o prince_n change_v our_o book_n of_o common_a prayer_n we_o be_v so_o want_v on_o we_o know_v not_o what_o we_o will_v have_v pag._n 31._o hitherto_o his_o word_n and_o he_o free_o confess_v error_n in_o all_o these_o state_n and_o change_n for_o defence_n whereof_o beside_o that_o these_o word_n be_v write_v by_o way_n of_o objection_n from_o they_o rather_o than_o any_o confession_n make_v by_o ourselves_o i_o do_v not_o so_o much_o as_o intimate_v that_o there_o be_v error_n in_o all_o these_o state_n and_o change_n as_o he_o unjust_o charge_v i_o but_o only_o that_o in_o the_o service_n book_n of_o king_n henry_n and_o king_n edward_n some_o thing_n be_v judge_v to_o savour_v of_o the_o superstition_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n but_o as_o for_o the_o service_n book_n which_o be_v allow_v by_o queen_n elizabeth_n it_o stand_v not_o only_o during_o her_o time_n without_o alteration_n but_o also_o it_o be_v ratify_v by_o his_o majesty_n and_o allow_v of_o by_o the_o state_n albeit_o by_o some_o particularman_n it_o have_v be_v impugn_a as_o nothing_o else_o can_v be_v by_o the_o wit_n of_o man_n so_o well_o devise_v but_o man_n wit_n can_v dispute_v against_o it_o and_o as_o for_o those_o error_n which_o be_v reform_v in_o the_o book_n of_o k._n henry_n and_o king_n edward_n they_o be_v the_o superstition_n only_o of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n the_o land_n be_v not_o then_o sufficient_o reform_v nor_o purity_n of_o religion_n so_o perfect_o establish_v as_o now_o it_o be_v because_o the_o bishop_n &_o clergy_n man_n by_o who_o those_o book_n be_v write_v themselves_o be_v too_o much_o so_o wr_v with_o the_o romish_a leaven_n and_o our_o daily_a renounce_v those_o superstition_n and_o receive_v great_a light_n of_o the_o gospel_n can_v be_v no_o protestant_a proof_n that_o we_o shall_v any_o way_n favour_v their_o superstition_n eleventh_o he_o write_v thus_o why_o may_v we_o not_o say_v with_o the_o council_n of_o florence_n cite_v
by_o m._n williat_n for_o general_n and_o the_o patriarch_n of_o the_o apostolic_a sea_n there_o present_a and_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n not_o of_o unequal_a authority_n &_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n to_o pass_v other_o with_o 6._o cardinal_n 4._o legate_n 3._o patriarch_n 32._o archbishop_n 228._o bishop_n and_o 5._o abbot_n there_o assemble_v as_o doctor_n dove_n tell_v we_o that_o protestancy_n in_o all_o place_n be_v false_a and_o catholic_a religion_n true_a where_o no_o protestant_n church_n can_v show_v any_o one_o such_o like_a authority_n for_o their_o cause_n the_o three_o part_n of_o such_o a_o assembly_n will_v have_v be_v a_o great_a countenance_n to_o protestant_a religion_n far_o great_a than_o ever_o it_o have_v or_o be_v likely_a to_o procure_v to_o which_o i_o answer_v first_o concern_v the_o council_n of_o florence_n in_o all_o those_o 25._o session_n which_o in_o it_o be_v hold_v 15._o of_o they_o be_v at_o ferraria_n where_o the_o council_n begin_v and_o the_o other_o at_o florence_n where_o the_o council_n be_v conclude_v there_o be_v scarce_o any_o one_o point_n of_o religion_n touch_v of_o which_o there_o be_v any_o controversy_n between_o protestant_n and_o recusant_n only_o while_o it_o be_v at_o ferraria_n before_o the_o act_n of_o the_o first_o session_n the_o question_n of_o purgatory_n be_v superficial_o dispute_v therefore_o that_o council_n be_v far_o from_o condemn_v protestancy_n or_o approve_v catholic_a religion_n second_o of_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n which_o he_o will_v have_v to_o be_v of_o no_o less_o authority_n bellarmine_n his_o self_n deny_v it_o to_o have_v any_o authority_n at_o all_o or_o credit_n of_o a_o general_a 7._o council_n allege_v that_o it_o be_v in_o the_o catalogue_n of_o those_o 15._o synod_n which_o the_o catholic_a church_n have_v not_o receive_v it_o seem_v therefoe_n that_o this_o author_n be_v not_o well_o acquaint_v with_o the_o general_a counsel_n three_o as_o i_o confess_v such_o a_o number_n of_o prelate_n to_o be_v present_a at_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n so_o i_o allege_v reason_n why_o it_o can_v not_o be_v a_o lawful_a council_n which_o he_o be_v so_o far_o from_o answer_v that_o he_o pass_v they_o over_o with_o silence_n as_o also_o he_o spare_v to_o repeat_v the_o residue_n of_o my_o word_n which_o make_v against_o he_o according_a to_o his_o accustom_a fallacy_n wherein_o i_o derogate_a from_o the_o credit_n of_o this_o assembly_n show_v that_o they_o be_v there_o only_o at_o the_o end_n of_o the_o council_n be_v then_o new_o create_v by_o the_o pope_n to_o countenace_v the_o synod_n and_o so_o to_o subscribe_v to_o all_o conclusion_n for_o form_n sake_n but_o at_o the_o beginning_n when_o matter_n be_v argue_v there_o be_v but_o forty_o bishop_n and_o four_o legate_n too_o small_a a_o assembly_n to_o deserve_v the_o name_n of_o a_o general_a council_n albeit_o it_o be_v not_o a_o bare_a multitude_n of_o suffrage_n and_o presence_n of_o bishop_n that_o can_v give_v countenance_n to_o a_o general_a council_n for_o the_o whole_a multitude_n of_o priest_n and_o other_o cry_v against_o our_o saviour_n christ_n crucify_v he_o the_o king_n stand_v up_o and_o the_o prince_n take_v council_n together_o against_o the_o lord_n and_o his_o anoint_a 2._o so_o then_o if_o he_o argue_v from_o the_o council_n of_o florence_n to_o condemn_v our_o religion_n i_o deny_v his_o antecedent_n if_o from_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n i_o deny_v his_o argument_n if_o from_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n it_o be_v but_o a_o fallacy_n petitio_fw-la principij_fw-la because_o he_o take_v that_o for_o a_o proof_n which_o be_v the_o matter_n in_o dispute_n the_o answer_n to_o a_o treatise_n entitle_v a_o search_v make_v into_o matter_n of_o religion_n by_o francis_n walsingham_n deacon_n of_o the_o protestant_n church_n before_o his_o change_n to_o the_o catholic_a dedicate_v to_o the_o king_n majesty_n against_o luther_n calvin_n zuinglius_fw-la beza_n jewel_n williat_n dove_n rogers_n and_o other_o protestant_n jeremy_n 47._o 10._o curse_a be_v he_o that_o do_v the_o work_n of_o the_o lord_n negligent_o london_n print_v for_o simon_n waterson_n dwell_v in_o paul_n churchyard_n at_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o crown_n 1610._o the_o answer_n to_o a_o treatise_n entitle_v a_o search_v make_v into_o matter_n of_o religion_n by_o francis_n walsingham_n deacon_n of_o the_o protestant_n church_n before_o his_o change_n to_o the_o catholic_a dedicate_v to_o the_o king_n majesty_n against_o luther_n calvin_n zuinglius_fw-la beza_n jewel_n williat_n dove_n rogers_n and_o other_o protestant_n in_o my_o persuasion_n to_o the_o recusant_n to_o reconcile_v themselves_o to_o our_o church_n i_o use_v these_o word_n the_o ignorant_a recusant_n pretend_v his_o conscience_n say_v it_o be_v against_o my_o conscience_n to_o come_v to_o church_n and_o whatsoever_o i_o do_v against_o my_o conscience_n be_v sin_n i_o confess_v whatsoever_o be_v do_v without_o testimony_n or_o warrant_n of_o conscience_n be_v sin_n to_o they_o that_o do_v it_o be_v that_o which_o be_v do_v in_o itself_o never_o so_o lawful_a because_o the_o apostle_n say_v he_o that_o doubt_v be_v condemn_v if_o he_o eat_v because_o he_o eat_v not_o of_o faith_n and_o whatsoever_o be_v 14._o not_o of_o faith_n be_v sin_n in_o which_o word_n by_o faith_n be_v understand_v conscience_n but_o by_o the_o way_n they_o must_v see_v that_o their_o conscience_n be_v right_o inform_v else_o it_o will_v be_v their_o damnation_n out_o of_o which_o word_n m._n walsingham_n make_v this_o collection_n that_o i_o seem_v to_o he_o substantial_o to_o justify_v out_o of_o these_o word_n of_o s._n paul_n the_o recusancy_n of_o catholic_n if_o they_o can_v prove_v they_o have_v a_o good_a ground_n or_o motive_n of_o conscience_n it_o be_v true_a one_o absurdity_n be_v grant_v many_o other_o will_v follow_v therefore_o to_o this_o hypothetical_a proposition_n i_o answer_v by_o grant_v the_o mayor_n and_o deny_v the_o minor_n for_o they_o can_v prove_v they_o have_v any_o such_o good_a ground_n or_o motive_n of_o conscience_n therefore_o their_o reculancy_n be_v not_o justify_v out_o of_o these_o word_n it_o be_v but_o petitio_fw-la principij_fw-la a_o beg_n of_o the_o question_n again_o he_o say_v if_o their_o conscience_n be_v erroneous_a and_o ground_v upon_o false_a ground_n and_o principle_n yet_o so_o long_o as_o that_o persuasion_n endure_v it_o seem_v they_o may_v not_o be_v force_v the_o insufficiency_n of_o which_o argument_n i_o will_v lay_v open_a by_o the_o like_a he_o that_o have_v not_o examine_v himself_o may_v not_o come_v to_o the_o lord_n table_n lest_o he_o eat_v and_o drink_v unworthy_o and_o so_o 29._o eat_v and_o drink_v his_o own_o damnation_n not_o discern_v the_o lord_n body_n shall_v this_o want_n of_o examination_n of_o a_o man_n self_n be_v therefore_o a_o warrant_n to_o any_o man_n to_o live_v like_o a_o infidel_n never_o to_o examine_v himself_o and_o so_o never_o to_o come_v to_o the_o lord_n table_n and_o so_o to_o be_v exempt_v from_o the_o authority_n and_o coactive_a power_n of_o the_o church_n he_o must_v be_v force_v to_o examine_v himself_o and_o communicate_v so_o the_o recusant_n who_o conscience_n be_v erroneous_a and_o found_v upon_o false_a principle_n must_v be_v force_v to_o renounce_v his_o error_n to_o build_v his_o religion_n upon_o sound_a principle_n to_o receive_v instruction_n and_o inform_v his_o conscience_n better_o and_o so_o to_o come_v to_o the_o church_n he_o take_v upon_o he_o to_o disprove_v my_o definition_n of_o conscience_n which_o be_v that_o it_o be_v a_o application_n of_o a_o general_a knowledge_n ground_v upon_o god_n word_n to_o particular_a action_n and_o intent_n he_o say_v this_o definition_n be_v defective_a be_v not_o so_o large_a as_o the_o thing_n that_o be_v define_v because_o the_o heathen_n which_o know_v not_o god_n word_n yet_o have_v a_o conscience_n ground_v only_o upon_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n i_o answer_v that_o if_o conscience_n be_v by_o he_o 14._o univocal_o understand_v as_o all_o thing_n ought_v to_o be_v which_o be_v define_v my_o definition_n can_v be_v disprove_v but_o when_o he_o instance_v in_o the_o conscience_n of_o heathen_a man_n he_o fly_v to_o equivocation_n whereas_o a_o equivocal_a thing_n can_v be_v define_v in_o like_a manner_n if_o i_o shall_v define_v religion_n to_o be_v a_o rule_n of_o faith_n and_o life_n ground_v upon_o god_n word_n he_o may_v take_v the_o same_o exception_n against_o it_o and_o say_v that_o the_o religion_n of_o the_o turk_n be_v ground_v upon_o the_o koran_n the_o religion_n of_o the_o jew_n be_v ground_v partly_o upon_o the_o talmod_a the_o religion_n of_o the_o catholic_n partly_o upon_o the_o tradition_n of_o man_n if_o i_o define_v a_o man_n to_o be_v animal_n rationale_fw-la a_o body_n endue_v with_o a_o reasonable_a
he_o he_o will_v be_v think_v to_o see_v more_o than_o other_o do_v before_o and_o therefore_o feed_v his_o own_o fantasy_n with_o new_a trick_n and_o busy_v the_o reader_n with_o strange_a conceit_n far_o fetch_v and_o nothing_o pettinent_a to_o the_o matter_n in_o his_o whole_a tract_n he_o beat_v the_o air_n and_o fight_v with_o his_o own_o shadow_n but_o come_v nothing_o near_o unto_o that_o which_o be_v cardo_n questionis_fw-la &_o prora_fw-la quasi_fw-la &_o puppis_fw-la totius_fw-la controversiae_fw-la the_o main_a matter_n now_o in_o controversy_n between_o he_o and_o us._n but_o that_o we_o may_v first_o come_v to_o bellarmine_n of_o reprobation_n he_o speak_v thus_o causâ_fw-la reprobationis_fw-la 16._o partim_fw-la ad_fw-la solam_fw-la dei_fw-la voluntatem_fw-la partim_fw-la ad_fw-la peccata_fw-la pravisareferenda_fw-la est_fw-la the_o cause_n of_o reprobation_n be_v partly_o the_o mere_a will_n of_o god_n and_o partly_o the_o foresight_n of_o sin_n in_o these_o term_n he_o seem_v to_o impugn_v us._n but_o afterward_o he_o explain_v his_o meaning_n by_o a_o distinction_n say_v reprobatio_fw-la duos_fw-la actus_fw-la comprehendit_fw-la unum_fw-la negatiwm_fw-la alterum_fw-la affirmatiwm_fw-la negatiws_fw-la est_fw-la non_fw-la habet_fw-la deus_fw-la voluntatem_fw-la eos_fw-la saluandi_fw-la &_o quantum_fw-la ad_fw-la illum_fw-la actum_fw-la nulla_fw-la datur_fw-la eius_fw-la causa_fw-la ex_fw-la parte_fw-la hominum_fw-la affirmatiws_fw-la est_fw-la habet_fw-la deus_fw-la voluntatem_fw-la eos_fw-la damnandi_fw-la &_o huius_fw-la causa_fw-la est_fw-la praevisio_fw-la peccati_fw-la there_o be_v two_o act_n of_o god_n in_o his_o reprobation_n the_o first_o negative_a the_o other_o affirmative_a his_o negative_a act_n be_v this_o he_o have_v no_o will_n to_o save_v they_o and_o of_o that_o act_n there_o be_v no_o cause_n at_o all_o in_o man_n but_o only_o in_o himself_o the_o affirmative_a act_n be_v this_o he_o have_v a_o will_n to_o damn_v they_o and_o the_o cause_n of_o this_o be_v the_o foresight_n of_o sin_n for_o proof_n of_o the_o negative_a say_v bellarmine_n god_n hate_v esau_n antequam_fw-la aliquid_fw-la mali_fw-la agisset_fw-la non_fw-la solum_fw-la coram_fw-la hominibus_fw-la sed_fw-la etiam_fw-la in_o praescientià _fw-la dei_fw-la before_o he_o have_v do_v any_o evil_n not_o only_o in_o the_o sight_n of_o man_n but_o also_o in_o the_o foreknowledge_n of_o god_n he_o hate_v he_o say_v he_o not_o for_o original_a sin_n for_o than_o shall_v he_o as_o well_o have_v hate_v jacob_n because_o original_a sin_n be_v common_a to_o they_o both_o nor_o because_o he_o be_v worthy_a of_o hatred_n for_o so_o they_o be_v both_o and_o so_o he_o shall_v have_v hate_v all_o man_n and_o elect_v none_o because_o all_o be_v worthy_a of_o hatred_n by_o the_o way_n say_v he_o it_o be_v to_o be_v note_v that_o these_o word_n to_o hate_v to_o harden_v which_o in_o term_n be_v affirmative_a in_o sense_n be_v negative_a as_o odisse_fw-la est_fw-la nolle_fw-la diligere_fw-la indurare_fw-la nolle_fw-la misereri_fw-la to_o hate_v be_v not_o to_o love_v to_o harden_v be_v not_o to_o be_v willing_a to_o show_v mercy_n again_o say_v he_o that_o a_o man_n be_v harden_v though_o it_o be_v a_o punishment_n for_o sin_n past_a yet_o it_o be_v a_o effect_n of_o this_o reprobation_n so_o that_o god_n do_v harden_v he_o because_o from_o eternity_n he_o appoint_v he_o to_o be_v a_o reprobate_n last_o of_o all_o say_v he_o facere_fw-la vasain_n contumeliam_fw-la to_o make_v man_n vessel_n of_o dishonour_n though_o be_v understand_v in_o this_o sense_n deputare_fw-la ad_fw-la contumeliam_fw-la to_o depute_v they_o to_o dishonour_n and_o shame_n be_v affirmative_a yet_o be_v thus_o understand_v facere_fw-la vasa_fw-la qualia_fw-la requirit_fw-la totius_fw-la massae_fw-la conditio_fw-la &_o sic_fw-la relinquere_fw-la &_o nihil_fw-la aliud_fw-la addere_fw-la to_o make_v they_o such_o vessel_n as_o the_o nature_n and_o condition_n of_o the_o whole_a lump_n require_v and_o so_o to_o leave_v they_o and_o do_v no_o further_o act_v be_v negative_a and_o of_o all_o these_o there_o be_v no_o cause_n in_o man_n but_o only_o in_o god_n but_o for_o proof_n of_o the_o affirmative_a which_o be_v habere_fw-la voluntatem_fw-la damnandi_fw-la to_o have_v a_o will_n to_o damn_v they_o say_v he_o that_o be_v by_o reason_n of_o the_o foresight_n of_o sin_n we_o have_v instance_n item_fw-la maledicti_fw-la in_o ignem_fw-la aternum_fw-la go_v you_o curse_v into_o everlasting_a fire_n the_o cause_n of_o this_o damnation_n be_v show_v to_o be_v in_o themselves_o 29._o i_o be_v hungry_a and_o you_o give_v i_o no_o meat_n etc._n etc._n bone_fw-la deus_fw-la est_fw-la iustus_fw-la deus_fw-la est_fw-la god_n be_v good_a and_o god_n be_v just_a he_o can_v 18._o save_v though_o man_n have_v not_o deserve_v salvation_n because_o he_o be_v good_a but_o he_o can_v condemn_v they_o unless_o they_o have_v deserve_v condemnation_n because_o he_o be_v just_a condemnare_fw-la aliquem_fw-la sine_fw-la culpà _fw-la est_fw-la punire_fw-la sine_fw-la causà _fw-la quod_fw-la iniustum_fw-la est_fw-la to_o condemn_v a_o man_n without_o fault_n be_v to_o punish_v without_o cause_n and_o that_o can_v stand_v with_o justice_n so_o far_o go_v bellarmine_n now_o that_o i_o may_v speak_v to_o every_o point_n i_o will_v first_o repeat_v his_o word_n reprobation_n say_v he_o have_v two_o part_n one_o negative_a that_o god_n will_v not_o save_v the_o cause_n of_o that_o be_v in_o god_n the_o other_o affirmative_a that_o god_n will_v condemn_v the_o cause_n thereof_o be_v in_o man_n first_o i_o say_v this_o be_v no_o lawful_a distinction_n to_o make_v a_o diversity_n of_o that_o which_o be_v a_o identity_n for_o there_o be_v aequipollentia_fw-la in_o re_fw-la they_o be_v different_a only_o in_o term_n but_o be_v equipollent_a one_o to_o the_o other_o in_o substance_n he_o show_v out_o of_o saint_n augustine_n that_o to_o hate_n and_o to_o harden_v which_o in_o term_n be_v affirmative_a be_v in_o matterall_a one_o with_o nolle_fw-la diligere_fw-la nolle_fw-la misereri_fw-la not_o to_o love_v not_o to_o have_v mercy_n which_o be_v negative_a but_o after_o the_o same_o manner_n i_o come_v upon_o he_o deus_fw-la vult_fw-la damnare_fw-la god_n will_v condemn_v be_v a_o proposition_n in_o voice_n affirmative_a and_o equivolent_a to_o this_o deus_fw-la non_fw-la vult_fw-la saluare_fw-la god_n will_v not_o save_v which_o be_v negative_a and_o as_o there_o be_v no_o mean_a between_o love_n and_o hatred_n mercy_n and_o induration_n but_o he_o that_o be_v not_o love_v of_o god_n be_v hate_v he_o that_o find_v no_o mercy_n be_v harden_v so_o in_o god_n predestination_n there_o be_v no_o mean_a or_o three_o thing_n between_o salvation_n and_o damnation_n but_o necessary_o by_o this_o decree_n he_o that_o be_v not_o save_v must_v be_v damn_v he_o that_o be_v not_o separate_v from_o the_o lump_n of_o iniquity_n must_v be_v leave_v to_o continue_v in_o the_o lump_n of_o iniquity_n no_o mean_a between_o separation_n from_o it_o and_o continuance_n in_o it_o but_o second_o to_o leave_v his_o idle_a term_n to_o himself_o which_o savour_n of_o subtlety_n and_o not_o of_o substance_n and_o which_o make_v that_o to_o seem_v dark_a and_o obscure_a which_o be_v as_o clear_a as_o the_o day_n light_n i_o will_v show_v plain_o out_o of_o himself_o that_o in_o doctrine_n he_o consent_v with_o we_o for_o concern_v this_o affirmative_a act_n god_n will_v condemn_v esau_n which_o he_o say_v be_v a_o act_n of_o god_n reprobation_n let_v he_o acquit_v himself_o if_o he_o can_v i_o will_v know_v whether_o he_o will_v have_v it_o to_o be_v a_o part_n of_o reprobation_n as_o it_o be_v in_o ipso_fw-la decreto_fw-la in_o the_o decree_n itself_o or_o in_o decreti_fw-la executione_fw-la in_o the_o execution_n of_o the_o decree_n in_o intention_n or_o in_o action_n one_o of_o they_o it_o must_v be_v the_o decree_n itself_o which_o be_v god_n intention_n be_v eternal_a the_o action_n which_o be_v the_o execution_n of_o his_o decree_n be_v temporal_a if_o he_o mean_v it_o be_v to_o be_v refer_v to_o the_o decree_n itself_o i_o prove_v by_o his_o own_o argument_n that_o then_o the_o cause_n why_o he_o will_v condemn_v esau_n be_v not_o in_o esau_n but_o only_o in_o god_n for_o he_o frame_v his_o argument_n to_o prove_v the_o negative_a part_n in_o this_o manner_n that_o god_n will_v not_o save_v esau_n it_o be_v not_o because_o he_o foresee_v sin_n in_o he_o for_o than_o he_o shall_v not_o have_v save_v jacob_n for_o he_o foresee_v sin_n in_o jacob_n as_o well_o as_o in_o esau_n so_o i_o come_v upon_o he_o with_o his_o own_o argument_n that_o god_n will_v condemn_v esau_n it_o be_v not_o because_o he_o foresee_v sin_n in_o he_o for_o than_o he_o will_v have_v condemn_v jacob_n because_o he_o do_v foresee_v sin_n in_o jacob_n as_o well_o as_o in_o esau_n therefore_o as_o bellarmine_n infer_v the_o cause_n be_v only_o in_o god_n that_o he_o will_v not_o save_v esau_n so_o i_o infer_v the_o cause_n