against you the authority albeit but of one Pope disclayming that your pretended Vniuersall Head-ship in that Article which you call The Catholike Romane Church He who being Head and Bishop of the Church of Rome shall denie the Title of Vniuersall or Catholike Bishop to be properly belonging to himselfe doth Consequently denie that his Church of Rome can properly be called The Catholike that is to say The Vniuersall Church This is a Consequence in your owne iudgement so vndeniable that your Cardinall Bellarmine the great Achilles in this Cause is in nothing more studious zealous or instant than in the defence of this Head and this Title of Vniuersall Bishop as proper to the Pope and a speciall Note of Papall Primacie ouer the whole Church of Christ. Which your Faith or rather infatuation commeth now to be confuted by the iudgement of Saint Gregory worthily commended by your selues for a man Excellent in Morall Positions and in the Vnderstanding of the holy Scriptures This being so honourable a Witnesse wee call vpon him to testifie two points first the Noueltie secondly the Iniquity of this Title of Vniuersall Bishop within the Church In the first place he expressely calleth this Title of Vniuersall Bishop A new Title which saith he None of my Predecessors euer vsed It is but idle and impertinent to obiect vnto vs that Leo Pope before him was inscribed Vniuersall in the Councell of Chalcedon because it was not absolutely there ascribed to Pope Leo but with a grand Restriction as thus Vniuersall to wit of Great Rome which is as much as to denie him to bee the Bishop of the Vniuersall Chuch euen as when you shall instile your now Romane Emperour thus The Vniuersall Emperour of Rome you thereby distinguish him from the Emperour of Turkie the Emperour of Persia the Emperour of Mosco and others and consequently denie him to be Emperor of the whole world As vaine and indeed ridiculous is it now after a thousand two hundred yeeres to pretend that The Title was by that Councel set downe at large The Bishop of the Vniuersall Church because it is so read in the Epistle of Pope Leo but was altered by the Greeke Scribe in enuie to the Church of Rome This you should alleage to them that can be perswaded that any priuate man could or durst alter the stile of a publike and Generall Councell against the dignity of the Pope where the Popes Legates were present And not rather that some Latine Scribe hath added that Inscription to the Epistle of Pope Leo in honour of the Church of Rome as is Confessed to haue beene done vnto the Epistles of other Popes and by three Popes themselues vnto the Councell of Nice As for the point in question we stand to the ioynt testimonies of Pelagius and Gregorie both Popes who haue witnessed to all Posterity as your owne Iesuite confesseth that No Bishop of Rome before them had euer vsed the Title of Vniuersall Bishop Which notwithstanding scarce any one Pope since the age of Saint Gregorie hath not assumed as proper to himselfe But how iustly we shall vnderstand by the said Pope Gregorie who after the branding of this Title with the note of Nouelty doth further discouer the Impiety thereof This he expresseth first by bidding this Title of Vniuersall Bishop AVANT as being Vaine Prophane q Hainously wicked and Blasphemous Words of high indignation and detestation When any of you shall answer this Obiection without either manifest falsehood or else intollerable iniurie to Pope Gregory then may you bragge that Saint Gregory was that thing which you call a Pope Some of your Doctors who are said to be Many would shift off this matter as though it were but a Verball skirmish and contention onely about words But this were to make Pope Gregory Pelagius and Leo the Ninth three Popes very childish who did earnestly gaine-say this Title aâ— your Iesuite confesseth who might from the mouth of Gregory himselfe haue stopped these other Many mouthes were they neuer so wide For when the Emperour Mauritius in the behalfe of the Bishop of Constantinople who vsed this Title Vniuersall was offended with Gregory for being so vehement In taking a scandall at the Appellation of so friuolous a Name Gregory himselfe made answer that It was very friuolous but withall too too pernicious and that he who desired to be called Vniuersall Priest did by so aduancing himselfe aboue others shew himselfe to be the fore-runner of ANTICHRIST Yea and so wicked hee iudged it to be that hee would haue all the world to know that neither Hee nor any of his Predecessors else had euer assumed the same Yea but this was not saith your Cardinall for that Gregory might not haue vsed this Title but because he would not vse it And why In humility forsooth That hee might hereby more easily represse the insolencie of Iohn Bishop of Constantinople who at that time vniustly vsurped the same Thus he Which is as much as to say that a King would renounce his Royall Title of Soueraigntie to the end that some notorious Rebell challenging it might thereby the more willingly disclaime it Were not this a profound piece of policie trow you if not rather grosse foppery Wee choose rather to beleeue Gregory himselfe who professeth To bee humble in minde but still so as to preserue the honour and dignity of his place So farre was hee from disclaiming any right that belonged to his Chaire Againe for Gregory in word to abhorre with an Absit that Title as impious and blasphemous which he thought might notwithstanding be iustly vsed by him what would you call this otherwise than an egregious Hypocrisie A Third answer you haue which you should as much shame to vtter as wee loath to heare to wit that Gregory did abhorre the Title of Vniuersall Bishop but onely in the same sence wherein it was then vsed by the Bishop of Constantinople How wee beseech you So to bee called Vniuersall Bishop ouer others say you as to bee sole Bishop and to make all others vnder him to bee no Bishops but onely Vicars vnto him Where by Vicars you meane such as haue no Order or Iurisdiction proper to Bishops at all VVhich is so incredible a figment that it is confuted by all those Bishops who are very many which submitted themselues vnto this Bishop of Constantinople and approoued his Title yet notwithstanding held and exercised their ancient Iurisdictions of their seuerall Archiepiscopall Sees VVho doubtlesse would neuer haue allowed the Title of Vniuersalitie to that Patriarch of Constantinople as you know they did if that thereupon they should haue beene compelled of Bishops to become plaine Vicars and cast out of the Parlour into the Kitchin The true and vndoubted Sence then of Gregory is that which your Cardinall Cusan euen one of the Popes eyes hath seene and
of faith Now wee haue proued by your owne Witnesses as by your owne eyes that aboue 2280. Bishops in their VIII Generall Councels and euery Generall Councell you call the Catholike Church haue opposed your Article of pretended Subiection The first by proportioning aswell the limits of the Romane Dioces as of other Patriarks The second by iudging the Romane Primacie not to stand vpon any Diuine authoritie and setting vp a Patriarke of Constantinople contrary to the Popes will The third by inhibiting any Bishop whatsoeuer from Ordaining Bishops within the Isle of Cyprus The fourth by aduancing the Bishops of Constantinople and establishing them in equall Priuiledges with the Bishops of Rome notwitstanding the Popes earnest opposition against it The fift in Condemning the Sentence of Pope Vigilius albeit one extreamely vehement in that Cause The Sixt and Seauenth in condemning Pope Honorius of Heresie And the Eighth by imposing a Canon vpon the Church of Rome and challenging Obedience thereunto Any man therefore although destitute of good Conscience if but endued with common ingenuitie will iudge and confesse that this Article which thus Condemneth aboue 2280. Bishops of the first Eighth Generall Councels whereof most were as Catholike as they were ancient and learned together with all their Beleeuers for the space of aboue 540. yeares Professours of the Christian faith is iustly to be condemned as Scandalous Schismaticall Hereticall Blasphemous Respectiuely and euery way damnable CHAP. IX Our fourth Argument taken from the Examples of particular Churches Catholike which contemning the Excommunication of the Bishop of Rome were notwithstanding acknowledged to be in the state of Saluation SECT 1. THree things there are which your new Romane Article requireth as Necessary to Saluation of Christians throughout the World I. Is to haue Vnion with the Church of Rome and Head thereof II. Because there are two kindes of Vnions one in Equalitie as is betweene the Members of the same Body and another in an Inequalitie like as is betweene the Head and the Body your Article exacteth Vnion of subiection also The III. is the Necessitie of faith concerning both these as namely that euery Christian doe beleeue the truth of the Article in both to wit that they are indeede Necessary to Saluation Therefore haue wee singled out Examples of ancient Churches which you your selues note as Excommunicate by the Popo which notwithstanding all the Christian world haue held to haue beene in the state of Saluation Our first Instance is in the ancient Churches of Asia which notwithstanding the Excommunication of Pope Victor were in the state of Saluation SECT 2. YOur owne Authors boastingly relate that in the yeare 197. Pope Victor did excommunicate all the Easterne Churches for not obseruing the feast of Easter vpon the Lords day which Excommunication say they is not found to haue beene afterwards reuoked or retracted wherein notwithstanding those that were auerse continued a long time So they A storie certainly worthy your double consideration whereof you cannot be ignorant it being recorded by Eusebius at large that namely Polycrates Bishop of Ephesus in Asia pleaded the Cause of the Churches of Asia against the Excommunication of Victor in that his Epistle whereunto the other Bishops in Asia gaue their Consent Prouing that their Custome contrary to the Romane was receiued from Saint Iohn who leaned vpon our Lords brest that it was practised by Philip the Apostle who died in Asia that it was continued by Saint Polycarpus Martyr and Bishop of Smyrna by Thraseas Bishop and Martyr by Sagonius Bishop and Martyr and that then Polycrates being animated by these so worthy Examples and the vnanimous Consent of their Bishops in Asia stood in defiance with that Pope Victor and contemned his Excommunications saying I who haue now liued sixtie fiue yeares in the Lord and haue had communion in the faith with all the Brethren dispersed 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 throughout the world and nothing moued with these terrors meaning of Ezcommunication which are vrged against vs. Thus farre the Ecclesiasticall Storie wherein appeareth this Conclusion as manifest as if it had beene deliuered in expresse termes viz. That a Christian may haue Communion generally with the Catholike Church else-where throughout the world notwithstanding the Excommunication of the Pope and See of Rome and therefore cannot the Romane Church be called the Catholike Church as the Head whereunto all others ought to professe Vnion and yeeld Subiection Yea but your Question will be whether these Asian Churches being thus Excommunicate by the Pope of Rome and so without the Vnion of your Church could therefore be said to be without the state of Saluation This is the maine point for satisfaction whereunto first if you will respect the faith of those Churches it is plaine that they beleeued that the Excommunication of the Bishop of Rome had no further power than to seperate them from his owne Romane Societie and Communion but extended not to the Church Catholike and Separation from it And this will appeare to bee true by better testimonies from the same knowne Storie it selfe where you may read that This Act of Victor did not well please all other Bishops who did greatly reproue him for troubling the peace of the Church And among others Father Irenaeus in the person of his Brethren in France wrote Letters to Pope Victor Dehorting him from his purpose This is enough to proue that Pope Victor was the Schismatike that troubled the peace of the Church and not the Asian Bishops whom these other holy Bishops did so far iustifie as not to deserue Excommunication But to appeale to your owne Consciences shew vnto vs in all your reading if you can that Polycrates and other Asian Bishops so Excommunicate by Pope Victor were held by any other Catholike Bishops of those times to be thereby without the state of Saluation For this you know is the very soule of your Article viz. The Catholike Romane Church without which there is no Saluation Nay but you full well know that Contrarily Saint Hierome in his Catalogue of Ecclesiasticall Writers numbred Polycrates among those who did aduance the Catholike faith And againe relating this his opposition against Victor This I therefore mention saith hee to make knowne what was his meaning Polycrates Authoritie And yet againe Reporting the behauiâ—ur of Irenaeus and other Bishops in the same Case These saith hee albeit they differed in opinion from the Asian Bishops yet did they not consent to Pope Victor in the act of Excommunication So hee Where Not Consenting to the Popes Excommunication doth plainly inferre their inward Communion with the Bishops of Asia CHALLENGE THis one Case if there were no other were enough to strangle your Romane faith in that Article viz. The Romane Church without vnion wherewith there is no Saluation Wherein we finde the Bishops and Churches of Asia Excommunicated by the Romane Bishop and so separated from the Communion of his See
those dayes was not esteemed to be The Catholike or Vniuersall Pope not The Catholike Bishop of Bishops his Iurisdiction not to haue any Catholike or Vniuersall Right for Appeales his Iudgement not to be a Catholike Rule of Faith his Church not to be The Catholike Mother-Church his Excommunication not to be a Separation from the properly called Catholike Church and much lesse a Catholike and Vniuersall Separation from the state of life So damnable is your Article of The Catholike Roman Mother-Church without subiection whereunto as you say there is no Saluation whereby with one breath you damne not onely Cyprian that glorious Saint of Christ but also all other his Associates and Colleagues Bishops in Africa Numidia and Mauritania of whom some were Martyrs some Confessors all Professors of the true Faith of Christ against the persecuting Infidels of those times It would nothing now auaile you to obiect that Cyprian in his Contention against Pope Stephen was in an Error in the Question of Rebaptization because euery error is not eradicant to roote out or cut off a Member from the Bodie of the Church Catholike else what shall we think of Pope Stephen himselfe who was in an error in the other Question concerning the vsurpation of the Right of Appeales to Rome which not onely Cyprian in his Councell of Carthage but Augustine also in the Councell of Africke resolutely withstood But what need many words Cyprian say you was alwaies held a Catholike Wee adde that if this Obiection were of force it would much more fortifie the Cause of Protestants For if Cyprian being Excommunicated by the Pope for an error was notwithstanding still held for a Catholike as hath beene confessed and hath euer since bene Registred for a Saint then doubtlesse Protestants stand much more secure who are excommunicate for withstanding not onely the grosse Idolatry but also as many Heresies of that Church of Rome as she hath new Articles of Faith among which this to wit The Catholike Roman Church without Vnion whereunto there is no Saluation 〈◊〉 not be held the least being as you see so Imposterous Schismaticall and Execrable as euery Instance yet giuen doth manifestly conuince Our third Instance in the Churches of Africke in the dayes of Saint Augustine in two Councels fully preiudiciall to this now Article viz. The Romane Catholike Church without which there is no Saluation SECT 8. THE first Councell was that of Mileuis Anno 402. concluding against the pretended Prerogatiue of Appeales to Rome This Case is handled at large afterwards The summe of all is This Councell wherein Saint Augustine was present consisted of threescore Bishops which had beene esteemed alwaies Orthodoxe in the Catholike Church albeit that their conclusion of denying any Right of Appeales from Africke to the Church of Rome which Iurisdiction of Appeales is held to be a principall part of the Article viz. The Romane Catholike Church in the Church of Rome at this day Which one Article consisting of foure points of Necessitie first Necessity of Vnion with the Church of Rome secondly Necessity of Subiection vnto it thirdly Necessity of Beleefe of both the former fourthly Necessitie of Saluation in them All is now rent in pieces by that one Prohibition of that Councell which denying any Right of Appeales from Africke to Rome did thereby deny the pretended Catholike Subiection to the Romane Chaire Secondly decreeing Excommunication against those African Priests that should dare to Appeale to Rome thereby they deny an absolute Necessity of Vnion with Rome Thirdly this Excommunication being to be extended against them that should Thinke it necessary to Appeale to Rome they thereby deny Necessity of Beliefe of the Prerogatiue of Rome And lastly condemning this Beliefe among themselues they thereby deny it to be an Vniuersall Right necessary to be belieued of all Others All this is euidently prooued in the place alleaged The second Instance in the Churches of Africke in the daies of Saint Augustine was the African Councell by name against the Church of Rome in the Case of Appeales concerning which for methods sake we are to lay open first the Occasion of Opposition betweene the Churches of Africke and Rome secondly the Discussion thereof thirdly the Separation of the Church of Afrike from Rome fourthly the honorable estimation had of the African Bishops as of the Saints of God notwithstanding their not acknowledging of Subiection to the Romane Church I. The Occasion of the Opposition by Saint Augustine and the Africans against the Iurisdiction of the Church of Rome in the supreme Case of Appeales SECT 9. COnsult you with your owne Chronologers in the body of the Councels of old and you shall find that the Case standeth thus One Apiarius a leud Priest and as you know of a scandalous flagitious and abhominable life being Excommunicated by the Bishops of Africke fleeth to Rome and as it were taketh Sanctuary there by Appealing to Pope Boniface then Bishop of that Sea The Pope sought by his owne Authority to haue this infamous Priest restored againe auouching for the ground of his Authority the Canon of the Councell of Nice which as he pretended declared the power due to the Bishop of Rome to take hold of all Appeales made vnto the Pope from all other Christian Churches and Prouinces and to order matters according to his owne wisedome II. The Discussion of the Cause SECT 10. THE Bishops of Africke and among them Saint Augustine hauing read the Popes Claime of Appeale by virtue as was alleaged of a Canon of the Councell of Nice fell first to demurre with themselues suspecting that the Pope had suggested a false pretence and therefore sought first to satisfie themselues by sight of the Copies of the Councell of Nice before they would returne the Pope any full answer and after diligent search into all the ancient Copies which they could finde they yeelded this Answer to the Bishop of Rome We haue read say they manie Copies of the Canons of Nice both Greeke and Latine and yet finde we among them no such Canon for Appeales to Rome as you alleage In this case of doubt it was agreed on both sides that messengers should be sent vnto Cyrill Patriarch of Alexandria and vnto Atticus Patriarch of Constantinople to the end that vpon search of their Records they might bee certified of the Truth of this matter These two Patriarchs send them faithfull Transcripts which they themselues did auouch to be The most true and authenticall Copies wherein that Canon which Three Popes to wit Boniface Zozimus and Caelestinus successiuely had alleaged as their onely euidence for their right of Appeales could not be found nor any syllable therof Vpon this Answer of those graue Patriarchs these Africane Bishops in number 217 perceiuing the falshood of the Popes Allegation and finding that no such Canon appeared in those ancient Copies of the Councell of Nice which could aduantage that their pretence of Appeales to
Rome from Carthage but rather that there was a Canon to controll it they descended in the end to a flat and peremptory resolution Yet before wee set downe their Conclusion faine would we know how your Aduocates can quit and free your three Popes from forgery of a Canon of Nice They tell vs first that the Two Greeke Patriarchs were deceiued by giuing credit vnto their Greeke Copies which were Corrupted by Heretikes Next that the Popes themselues were deceiued in alleaging the Councell of Nice instead of the Councell of Sardis wherein saith your Cardinall The Canon was extant And lastly that the Bishops of Africke were deceiued in not acknowleging any Generall and Catholike Councell of Sardis by name S. Augustine affirming that He knew no Sardican Councell which was not Hereticall I. CHALLENGE WHich Answer of your Cardinalls importeth thus much to wit that we are to belieue that two hundred and seuenteene Bishops two Reuerend Patriarchs and three ancient Popes erred in their ignorance of a Generall Councell of Sardis in those daies wherein the matter was aduisedly and exactly discussed rather than these Two Cardinals which are but of yesterdaies birth in their coniecturall presumptions which is in effect as much as to tell vs that those Archers canot discerne so well of a true aime who are an hundred and fifty paces distant from the marke as they who are of a thousand and two hundred for such was the difference betwâ—ene the yeeres of those ancient Fathers and of these Cardinalls from the time of the Councell of Nice Which Answer wee haue else-where proued to be no solution but a fiction rather and meere Illusion Yet that we may deale liberally with you so as not onely to suppose but if you will to confesse also that there was a Generall Councell called Sardican as such your Testimonies delare and therefore to yeeld so farre to Baronius and Binius as to thinke that Augustine and the Africane Bishops could not be ignorant of the Sardican Councell which Saint Augustine himselfe calleth Plenarium vniuersae Ecclesiae Concilium An Vniuersall Councell Neuerthelesse heereupon must we likewise make bold to tell you that the Canons which you cite for your Appeales must bee iudged fictions because else the African Bishops with Saint Augustine could not haue answered your Pope that No Synod had ordained that any might come from his Holinesse to order these matters Nor could those Popes haue omitted the mention of such a Canon if any such had been when now it so much stood them vpon both for keeping themselues free from crime of forging a false Canon of the Councell of Nice and also for aduantaging their pretended Claime of Appeales by virtue of a Canon of Sardis Howsoeuer let vs proceed to that which followeth III. The decision and peremptory resolution of the Africans in Opposition against the Papall Claime of Appeales SECT II. FIrst 217 Bishops Saint Augustine being a principall one doe addresse their letters to the Pope of Rome shewing the false-hood of the Claime of Appeales made by your Three Popes Zozimus Boniface and Celestinus that it had no Patronage from the Councell of Nice but rather that there was in that Councell another Canon making much against such Appeales by determining that Popes being so farre remote from Africk could not be so competent Iudges in such Causes l Except say the Africans Some will thinke that God will inspire some One singular man with Iustice and denie that grace to innumerable persons assembled together in one Synod And therefore in plaine termes they desire the Pope not to admit heereafter of any such Appeale and in conclusion they call that Papall presumption a Smoakie secular arrogancy which say they we will not indure Furthermore the same Councell of Africk made Two Canons by the one as it were taking the Crowne of Pope-dome from the Head of your Bishop of Rome by the other piercing and wounding the Papall Primacie to the very heart For what fairer Crowne can you put vpon that Head than the Supreme title of Monarch ouer the whole Church or of Chiefe Priest and Bishop of Bishops wherewith you professedly adorne and in a manner adore your Romane Pope But these African Fathers vpon occasion of this contention with your Popes decreed That the Bishop of the Primary Sea should not bee called the Head of Bishops or chiefe Priest but onely the Bishop of the Primary Sea Secondly what greater Prerogatiue or higher token of Monarchie could your Popes couet than that which you challeng as A matter knowne to the Catholike Church which is that Appeales are to bee made to Rome from all the coasts of the world against which the same holy Bishops made this peremptory decree viz. If any Priest shall thinke that hee ought to Appeale beyond the Sea meaning to Rome let him not bee receiued any longer into the Communion of the Church of Africk So they All that your Cardinals can say to helpe your Popes at a dead lift is that the former pretended Canon of Nice insisted vpon was to be found in the Councell of Sardis which Antiquity hath denied And yet if that were granted your Monarchy standeth still vpon humane Authority For that Synod of Sardis sheweth plainely that their grant of Appeales to Iulius Pope of Rome was but vpon fauour and not vpon duty being not an old Custome but a new Constitution If it please you say they so much to honour the memory of Peter let vs write to Iulius Bishop of Rome c. And againe If you all bee pleased whence nothing can be gathered but that the same pretended Grant was no more than Ad placitum and might by the same Authority be as easily repealed We add that albeit you challenge a right that All causes of great moment among which these of Appeales is a principall one should bee Reserued to the Bishop of Rome you notwithstanding confesse that In the dayes of Saint Cyprian there was no Reseruation of any such Cases in vse II. CHALLENGE HEre haue we a faire and cleare glasse wherein any one that doth not wilfully close his eyes may see the full face of the vsurped and conunterfeit Monarchie of the Church of Rome For in your Romane profession your latter Popes proclaimed the Papall Monarchie to bee founded vpon Diuine Authority Whereas your ancient Romane Popes at the time of the African Councell when if euer they were to make good Appeales from all the parts of Christendome to Rome their principall part of Supreme power they themselues notwithstanding argued not from any diuine Law but onely from the humane decree of the Canon of Nice which the Fathers of that Councell discouered to be notoriously false For if the then Popes had thought that they could for this Papall pretension draw a sharpe two-edged sword ex iure diuino what needed they to haue fought with this wooden
was the Councell of Arimine So he And why must not this be true if you will allow your Cardinall Bellarmine to make this Greeke Father to speake what Papall Romane Language he shall impose by his Sophisticall translation But your Cardinall Baronius one otherwise as partiall as any Writer euer was and catching at euery shadow of proofe for the aduancement of Papall Monarchy hath made another interpretation of the words of Saint Basil which may be a iust confutation of your other Cardinall from point to point For Bellarmine talketh of the Popes Seeing the Easterne Bishops by a Visitation of Iurisdiction But Baronius alloweth no more than a Seeing by Consideration of their estate but euery Care and Consideration of other mens estate doth not inferre a Iurisdiction ouer them Secondly Bellarmine will needs haue Saint Basil to desire the Popes Decree another tenure of Papall Authority Baronius readeth the word Councell or Aduise which may agree with a Co-equall Thirdly Bellarmine interpreteth Basil as though he yeelded to the Pope a peremptory power of Cutting off and disanulling the Acts of Generall Councels such as was that of Arimine Baronius saith that the motion of Basil was they should Bring with them such things as had bene done namely by some Orthodox at Arimine which might make for the necessary solution of that Councell which all Catholikes haue iudged Hereticall But this argueth not an Authoritatiue power proper to the Pope of dissoluing of Decrees of any Generall Councell which for the space of sixe hundred yeares he neuer had but an Arbitrary Authority granted vnto him by consent of the Easterne Bishops to exercise his fatherly and graue iudgement for the better establishing of the East-Churches which were now rent into sixe seuerall Schismes through the difference of sixe diuerse Heresies Howsoeuer what Authority this was we may best know from Saint Basill himselfe who deploring the State of the East-Churches now pestered with diuers pernitious Heretikes desireth helpe from the Bishops of the West how To comfort the afflicted and to set right and restore those that are broken Helpe then of Confortation it was not of Dominion Secondly shewing that he desireth no more helpe from the Westerne Bishops than the Bishops of the East both ought and would requite in the like case he calleth it A mutuall helpe of louing and brotherly Visitation or Consideration Thirdly his reason why he is so importunate to haue the helpe of the Westerne Bishops he expresseth to be this Because that priuate grudges among the Bishops of the East hindered the fruit of their doctrine and therefore the Westerne Bishops the farther distant they were so much the more Authority would they haue with the people and he addeth that Accustomed speach is not so preualent as that which proceedeth from Strangers chiefly if they were such as were more specially indued with Gods grace as you are euery where knowne to be saith Saint Basil speaking of the Westerne Bishops because you haue preserued the Faith in all sincerity among you So Saint Basil who would neuer haue vsed so often so great and sometimes indeed so crosse and thwarting reasons to moue the Westerne Bishops to compassionate their case and helping them for composing of such and so pernicious distractions by reasons taken onely from Brotherly loue Mutuall duty and Facility of effectuating that great good because of the Remotenesse of their dwelling and therefore to be esteemed persons more indifferent because of their Constancie in preseruation of sincere Faith and consequently beetter witnesses for the ancient Truth without any mention at all of the Prerogatiue of the Bishop of Rome as their Pope or of their Church of Rome as their Mother and Mistresse as you haue pretended if he had any beleefe of this Article Because this one reason taken from the Papall Romane Iurisdiction and dominion if it had bene a matter of Faith had bene more perswasiue and would haue bene more preualent than whatsoeuer hath hitherto bene mentioned by S. Basil. Besides which will be worthy your remarking after fowre seuerall Legations and Messages from the Greeke Church deliuered vnto the Bishops of the Latine Church for their help the Greekes as Baronius is perswaded neuer receiued any Answer Now therefore consult with your best iudgments whether the Church of Rome and her Chiefe Bishop whom Saint Basil more than once condemneth of Pride which Pride was also condemned by a Councellin Africke vnder Saint Cyprian and another wherein Saint Augustine was present for intruding craftily and iniustly vpon the Iurisdiction of other Churches would in humility refuse the offer of Subiection of the whole Greeke Church or he not haue exercised his Visitation ouer them if any such authority had beene intended by Saint Basil. For so should Rome haue beene marked with a greater note of infamy than was her Pride euen her deserting of the flocke of Christ committed vnto her and in a manner betraying the Cause of Catholikes vnto their many and most mischieuous Aduersaries the Sects of Heretikes But wee shall shew that Saint Basil was of a flat contrarie Faith Our Opposition shewing that Saint Basil did not beleeue your Article of Necessity of Subiection to the Romane Pope or Church Baronius would you should know that Saint Basil hauing written diuers letters and sent many Messages vnto Pope Damasus and to other Westerne Bishops yet receiuing no Answer from them in so vexatious and perilous times when the Greeke Church seemed as a ship almost split asunder by the continuall billowes of most pestilent Heresies He thereupon fell into distrust and if he might so say hatred with the Church of Rome So he We had rather you should heare Saint Basil expressing his owne Cordolium and hearts-griefe What helpe can we expect saith he from the supercilious Pride and haughtinesse of the Westerne Bishops who neither know the truth themselues nor yet will Baronius negligently rendereth it Tell learne it Againe I meant to write vnto the Chiefe of them meanig Pope Damasus to signifie by letters that Pride ought not to be accompted a Dignity And againe the same holy Father Saint Basil speaking of the Church of Rome as you know said I hate the Pride and arrogancie of that Church Yea but wee heare him call the Bishop of Rome CHIEFE True but with this limitation their Chiefe And yet if it had beene Chiefe of all others could this inferre a Popedome and Dominion aboue others Then must you confesse that Athanasius was more Pope than Damasus For Basill that calleth Damasus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 calleth Athanasius 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifying The Crowne of the Head The chiefe of all Wee are saith he to flie vnto thy integrity as to the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Top or Crowne of All others CHALLENGE SAint Basil Bishop of Caesarea speaking of the Bishops of the West saith distinctly I meant to write
made her the patterne of all other Christian Churches his stile should haue arrayed her otherwise than by inuoluing her among Loca Occidentis Secondly in Criminall Causes you belieue that the Supreme Right of Appeale to the Sea of Rome is a Iurisdiction whereinto the Bishop of Rome is inuested by virtue of his Succession from Saint Peter so that all other Churches Christian ought to acknowledge this Right of Appeale vpon all iust occasions and the Cause being there determined all parties are vtterly precluded hauing no power to Appeale from it to any Superior Iudicature This is your pretended Prerogatiue of the Church of Rome consisting of two Termes Appealing to Rome and not Appealing from Rome Will you admit of Saint Augustines determination in both these Saint Augustine as hath bene confessed was one of that Councell of Africke which abandoned the Claime of Right of Appeales from all Churches to Rome which was then challenged by three Popes successiuely to wit Zozimus Boniface and Celestine and yet concluded against them that it should not be lawfull for any within the Churches of Africke to make their Appeale to Rome Accordingly you that would thinke it an intolerable and sacrilegious derogation from the Papall Iurisdiction if in a Criminall Cause after the Pope with his whole Consistory of Cardinals had giuen iudgement any Bishop within the Romane Iurisdiction should be so audacious as to Appeale from that Sentence to an higher Iudicature where you that are my Iudges shall be iudged whether you haue giuen right iudgement or not remember that Saint Augustine concerning the Case of the Bishop Caecilian which was referred to the Arbitrement of Pope Iulius and others doubted not to giue such a Resolution I suppose saith he the Bishops that were at Rome were not good Iudges there then remained a Generall Councell where the Cause may be discussed so that if it shall appeare that those Iudges iudged wrongfully their sentence may be reuersed and disanulled Thirdly from Criminall we proceed to a Doctrinall point You that haue told vs that it is a peculiar Prerogatiue belonging to the Church of Rome as she is The Catholike Church to direct all other Churches which is the true Canon of Diuine Scriptures and that she by her Councell may pronounce euery one Anathema and Accursed that shall not giue beliefe to his Decree touching the right Canon of Scriptures obserue that Saint Augustine perceiuing how the Latine or Romane Church did not in those daies constantly hold the Epistle of Saint Paul to the Hebrewes to be Canonicall and of Diuine Authority resolueth thus Notwithstanding I saith he am rather mooued by the Authority of the East Churches So Saint Augustine which is so much that a conscionable man we thinke should need no more For now we are in a Doctrinall point euen what and which is the Scripture and written Word of God the Principle and Doctrine of all other Principles and Doctrines Whereof when we enquire we are directed by Saint Augustine to consult with the Primitiue Churches as well East as West and wherein these do differ in their Customes therein to yeeld rather to the iudgement of the Greeke and Easterne Churches according as Saint Hierom also determined than to the Romane in the West And lest this Decision of Saint Augustine might seeme to proceed from some voluntary inclination to the Greeke Church rather than to the Latine he addeth that he is so moued by the Authority of the Easterne Churches Now how all these particulars will agree with your Article viz. The Catholike Romane Church Mistris of all other Churches without full Vnion and Subiection whereunto there is no Saluation do you your-selues deliberate Sure we are that this Resolution of Saint Augustine will easily interpret the meaning of his other sentence so often obiected by you to wit I should not haue belieued the Gospell except the Authority of the Church had moued mee that by Church he meant not the then present Church of Rome as you pretend which is as you see another vanity After this discussion of the Doctrinall Cause we adde a Consideration of the Schismaticall state of that Church according as our iudicious Casaubon hath obserued You who accompt it the onely note of Schisme to be diuided from the Romane Church and the Pope thereof as the onely Head of all Churches Answer vs Why Saint Augustine who in seauen Books besides many other places confuted the Schismaticall Donatists yet neuer spake word of the Monarchy of the Pope or of the Infallibility of his iudgement whereby to reduce them to the Vnity of the Church and Truth Lastly as for the Title of The Catholike Church you that appropriate it in your Article to the Church of Rome aduise againe with Saint Augustine who as he hath already defined that Catholike is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The whole as a Comprehension of all Parts and therefore that no Part can be called The Whole so doth he further illustrate the same in his Expositions vpon those words of the Psalmist The Kings daughters were among thine honourable women vpon thy right hand did stand the Queene in a Vesture of gold of Ophir Behold Rome saith he behold Carthage behold other Cities as Kings daughters of all which is made one certaine Queene speaking of the Catholike Church whereunto euery one ought to bee vnited in Faith and Hope So he You see that in Saint Augustines time when Rome was indeed Rome and truely glorious for Faith and Holinesse yet Behold Rome what The Queene which is the Catholike Church it selfe No but Behold Rome a daughter of the King And againe Behold Carthage and other Cities How Namely so and no otherwise than Rome and others all daughters of the King that is Particular Churches professing Christ. But the Catholike Church as Queene what must shee be any one of these bee it the Church of Milan Carthage or Rome No but One Vniuersall Church consisting of these and All others CHALLENGE SEe you now with what obliquity of iudgement your Authors haue obiected these colourable sayings of Saint Augustine out of his Epistles vnto Pope Zozimus and Pope Boniface and others Whereas when we come to his deeds he doth freely demonstrate his Faith contrary to your sense when Comparing Particular Bishopricke with Bishopricke as Rome with Carthage hee maketh them and their Bishops both Most Eminent Comparing Churches with Churches as Rome with the Churches of Africke he defendeth euen against the forenamed Popes Zozimus and Boniface both that it is not lawfull for Remote Churches to Appeale to Rome and that it is also lawfull for Churches that are subordinate to the Romane Iurisdiction to Appeale from Rome By which the very pinnacle of the pretended Authority of the Romane Iurisdiction is quite ouerthrowne and cast to the ground Againe Saint Augustine comparing the Two Moities of the whole Catholike Church commonly diuided into the East otherwise called the
the Romane Church which boasteth her selfe to be the Mistresse of all Churches and Iudge of all matters of Faith is not after a Thousand Six hundred yeares fully assured whether Comparison being made betweene her Pope and her selfe Hic or Haec Hee or Shee be the Supreme Iudge When then and how will you resolue in this so principall a Case must the Scales still stand euen that neither of them shall ouer-poise Not so for you teach if One as your fore-man may speake for you all that Although this case haue not beene decided by any absolute Decree yet it is defined saith hee by the tacit and secret censent of the Doctors of the Church scarce any one Diuine holding any other opinion herein than that which before that of late this Controuersie was moued was anciently in force namely that the Pope is aboue a Councell as the Head is aboue the Body As if he should say Sirs if the Question be whether Iohn an Oake or Iohn a Stile be heire to that Land because the Witnesses conceale their meaning without question they by a tacit Consent are for the Complainant that Iohn an Oake must carry the Land O Quacksaluer Consider you not now that the Subiect of all this Dispute is The Catholike Visible Church whose Consent likewise is to be discerned onely by Visible Characters whether it be by word or by writing And are you now come to this passe as that in a Cause of so great moment you must depend vpon the iudgement of the Tacit Consent of your Doctors Wee doe not therefore maruell why they must needes be blinde Guides who themselues haue no better Direction than dumbe Iudges All other Christian Churches in the world stand for the Authoritie of a Generall Councell against whatsoeuer Pope which the Cause of your Pope hauing now bin heard we are to proue from the Romane Church it selfe That the Romane Church is rather Iudge than the Romane Pope in all Causes of that Church by the publike Decree of the same Church in it selfe First in the Councell of Constance SECT 18. IN the yeare of Christ our Lord 1415. was celebrated the Councell of Constance in Germanie a place then most fit consisting as you know of almost a Thousand Fathers whereof more then Three hundred were Bishops This Synod with an Inprimis beginneth with this Article The Holy Synod inspired with the Holy Ghost being lawfully assembled making vp a Generall Councell which representeth the whole Catholike Church hath immediate power from Christ whereunto euery state and condition be it the Papall or whatsoeuer is bound to obey in all things which concerne either Faith or Generall reformation of the Church whether in the Head or Members thereof Thus farre that Councell which was expresly confirmed by Pope Martin to be held Inuiolable in matter of Faith CHALLENGE TEll vs now whether euer the Church of Rome had a Councell more ample for multitude of Fathers being almost a Thousand whether euer any Councell could assume more Infallibilitie to it selfe than to be congregated by the Holy Ghost thereby making her Degrees Authenticall or whether euer any Councell could Derogate more from the Papall Power as it is now beleeued and Attributed to your Popes than to subiect him to the Determination of a Councell in matters both of Direction in Faith and Reformation of manners or can any of you require a more fundamentall reason thereof than that which is intimated in the Decree it selfe saying that The Councell hath its Authoritie immediately from Christ The meaning whereof is as you are taught that the Popes Authoritie is not of Diuine but onely of Humane Institution or Lastly can you expect a stronger confirmation of all this than is the Ratification thereof by the then Lawfull Pope Now then for now wee are come to our conflict by Comparison If as your Cardinall and others answer The Pope confirmed other matters of Faith decreed in that Councell but would not ratifie this Decree as being so derogatiue to his Headship and supreme Iudicature then behold that which wee assumed to proue as great a Difference betweene that Assembly of Fathers which was as much the Representatiue Body of the Romane Church as any can be named Whence it must as well follow that your Pope if hee had hereupon Excommunicated the Fathers of that Councell had bin a Schismatike as it doth follow that diuiding himselfe from their Decree hee could by your Romane Principles be no lesse than an Haeretike For the Decree is peremptorie as a matter of Faith the Reason they gaue was concluded against the Pope namely that the Pope of Rome is not Head of the Church by any Diuine Ordinance euen as a Thousand yeares before this the Fathers of the Councell of Chalcedon anciently beleeued Another like Example in the Councell of Basil. SECT 19. IN the yeare 1431. there was a Councell gathered at Basil by the Authoritie of Pope Martin the Fift and after confirmed by Eugenius wherein were 90. Fathers who hauing confirmed the Decrees of the Councell of Constance whereby the Pope is made subiect vnto a Councell and the Censure thereof now at the length Pope Eugenius perceiuing they held this course will needes dissolue the Councell and translate it to Florence The Councell it selfe withstandeth this and Commandeth the contrary shewing thereby that The Pope sought nothing but by abrogating of Councels the destruction of the Church Therefore they fairely suspend the Pope and in the end according to the iudgement of the Councell of Constance they Decree as an Vniuersall Truth that the Pope hath no Authoritie aboue a Councell nor power of himselfe to dissolue it which truth whosoeuer say they shall obstinately contradict is to be iudged an Heretike So They. Will you now see the Pope and the Councell grapple together The Councell hath suspended the Pope and iudgeth him no better than a Schismatike The Pope pronounceth the Fathers of the Councell Schismatikes Separated from the Mother Church of Rome meaning the Conclaue of some Cardinals at Rome and the Head thereof for the space of seauen yeares last past The Councell answereth saying What will the Pope then damne for Schismatikes all the Cardinals Bishops and the Emperour himselfe with Kings and Princes there present yea and the whole Church which doth approue of this Councell In the end to end the fray The Pope saith the Councell did yeeld to the Admonition made vnto him of not dissoluing the Councell Here is presented before you the Romane Head and in the Opinion of the Fathers of that Councell the Catholike Bodie of the Romane Church in a Distraction and Separation either from the other for Seauen yeares space As for the Popes Pretence of his Romane Church which were but a few Domesticall Cardinals the Councell did not accompt them worthy the name of the Members of the Church This being
very Baud of all Impietie Whence to vse your owne words Adulteries Incests Periuries Homicides and the spawne of all euils did arise THESIS II. LVTHER had necessary Cause to Depart from the Church of Rome SECT 15. IT is not as you haue heard the corruption of a Doctrine which can alwaies driue a man out of the Church except other properties of necessary Remoouing do concurre What these are you may call to your remembrance Which may be obserued in this Case of Luther and iustifie him before God and Man As first the generall Obstinacie of contrary Teachers such as were the Romish of whom Luther complained saying They Alto fastu with high disdaine contemned my Preaching against Indulgences Secondly Luthers hearing if he had stayed the way of Truth often blasphemed Thirdly Luthers complaining of violent forcing of men to subscribe vnto New Articles this is Tyrannie And lastly he further chargeth them with Compelling him to submit to Satanicall Doctrines speaking both of the vilenesse of Indulgences and the Idolatrie of and in the Romish Masse Albeit any One of all these had bene a sufficient cause for him to warrant his Departure out of Romish Babylon THESIS III. LVTHER and his Followers were farre more safe for their Soules state in that Separation from the Church of Rome and lesse Schismatikes than They whom he forsooke SECT 16. ALL sound knowledge is by vnderstanding of the true Causes of things It is the Cause that distinguisheth a Martyr from an Heretike and the same iust Cause also truely and essentially vniteth one with the true Catholike Church discerneth him both from an Excommunicate properly so called and from a Schismatike Attend then to that which your Cardinall would haue you to MARKE Marke saith he that an vniust sentence of Excommunication is of no force at all Accordingly Saint Augustine Iniusta vincula iustitia disrumpit Vniust bonds are more iustly broken then kept Of this somewhat more hath bene said in a former Thesis This knowne it wil be no hard matter to find out the true Schismatike For as it is the vnlawfull Agent and not the Innocent Patient that maketh the Fray so in Excommunication Whosoeuer Excommunicateth another vniustly condemneth not that other but himselfe Accordingly in Separation from any Church the Actiue if vniust and not the partie Passiue is the Schismatike vpon which Suppositition Firmilianus Concluded against Stephen Pope of Rome that the said Stephen was the Schismatike by his Excommunicating and separating S. Cyprian with many Others in the Africane Chuches and else-where from his Communion In like Case well said once your Cardinall Benno that Eusebius did binde Liberius by forsaking his Communion Euen as did also the Africane Bishops in their Synod by Excluding Pope Vigilius out of their Communion in the dayes of Iustinian Now that Luther was vniustly Excommunicate by your Pope the first Thesis hath fully prooued And that Luther was a Passiue in this Separation appeareth not onely by his owne Complaints saying I was Compelled Constrained c. but also by the Proceedings of Pope Leo against him Else why is it that your owne Thuanus speaking of this Separation said that Some in those dayes layd the fault vpon Pope Leo More fully your Cassander an Author selected in those dayes by the King of the Romanes as the chiefest Diuine of his time and one most fit to be Consulted with concerning the same Separation of Protestants I cannot saith he denie many of them in the beginning to haue bene mooued and prouoked with a pious zeale to a sharpe reprehension of manifest Abuses and that the principall cause of this calamity and Disunion is to be imputed to them who superciliously and disdainefully contemned such godly Admonitions Neither yet euer had there bene as I am perswaded any Contention about the externall Vnitie of the Church except the Popes had abused their authority to an ambitious and Domineiring manner of Rule aboue the limits which Christ prescribed to his Church So He. But it will be said Why did not Luther seeke remedie and redresse of his wrong somewhere where we pray you should he haue sought it can you tell By Appealing to a Generall Councell why that meanes was barred by the Popes Extrauagant denouncing him to be Anathema whosoeuer shall so much as consult or deliberate to Appeale from the Pope to a future Generall Councell Albeit this preferring the Popes iudgement before a Councel's is by the sentence of two Romish Councels as namely Constance and Basil held a Doctrine of all others most Schismaticall Oh! but he being but a Sheepe cited to Rome should haue appeared before Leo his Pastor notwithstanding the Popes high indignation against him As though you could be ignorant of the Apologue of the Sheepe and the Lion at their meeting the end whereof could be no other then this Ora Leonis habes for the sheepe to run head-long into the Lions mouth A Fable which of later times the Venetian Fulgentius the French Abbot of Boys and after them the Dalmatian Spalatensis verified seelie Sheepe with the losse of their liues THESIS IV. The Romish Obiections vrged against this Separation of LVTHER are notably friuolous SECT 17. STill we say that an ill Cause oftentimes bewrayeth it selfe as much by the friuolous Obiections of an Opponent as it is discouered by the iust Euidences of a Defendant There are but foure kinde of Obiections besides such as haue bene alreadie answered which you do usually vrge against Luther THESIS V. The I. Obiection in respect of LVTHER'S former Vow to the Pope or Church of Rome is vaine and idle SECT 18. IT is true Luther had bene a Vowed and if you will a sworne Vassall to the Pope and to the Romane Church And so was once your owne Stephen Gardiner sometimes Bishop of Winchester whose answer in like case may satisfie your Curiositie and controlle your scurrilitie in this point Hee in his booke of True Obedience to the King notwithstanding the Popes Breeues to the contrary enlargeth himselfe in his Answer after this manner following Some saith he pull me backward asking why I enterprize so to teach Obedience as that I do disclose my owne Disobedience to the authority and power meaning of the Pope for whose Defence I was bound by my Oath to defend his authority to my possible Power Where is his keeping of Oaths become say they where is his fidelitie He was sworne to defend the Rights of the Church of Rome and now professeth himselfe an open enemie ther-unto But this their talke no more mooueth me than the bumbling sound of an old barrell because where vnlawfull Oathes there also vnlawfull Vowes are not to be kept for none are to sweare to any wickednesse Thus your owne Bishop and after illustrateth this by an elegant Similitude A certaine married man saith he when he thought by iust likely-hoods his first wife was dead
which ancient Fathers haue collected from thence yet so as in alleaging their names Iames Peter and Iohn he preferreth Iames before Peter Do you aske why You can answer your selues Because say you Iames was Bishop of Hierusalem where the Apostles were at this time when S. Paul writ Be it so It must then follow that Iames was in that respect superior to Peter Lastly whiles Paul is earnest in vindicating the dignitie of his Pastorship euen then when he would stop the mouthes of false Apostles who obiected that he had no sufficient Commission to preach as not hauing bene authorized by the other Apostles hee answereth that hee had receiued his Calling Not of men neither by man but immediatly from and by Iesus Christ. And for proofe hereof he addeth a reason saying of the time when he was at Ierusalem I indeed saw Peter but other of the Apostles saw I none saue Iames the Lords brother His Consequent is Ergo he receiued not any authoritie of his Ministration from the Apostles Which had bene a seelie and indeed a sencelesse Reason if the spirit of Papistry had reigned in those dayes because his Aduersaries might readily haue replyed What is that you say Saw you none but Peter as though Peter were not sufficient in himselfe to authorize you seeing that Peter being the Vicar of Christ and the Ordinarie and Vniuersall Pastor of his Church is All in all because the Gouernor of all others without exception But Saint Paul we know spake by the Spirit of God the Author and Fountaine of Diuine reason and could not therefore argue absurdly yet notwithstanding he answered saying I saw none but Peter except Iames. Plainly signifying that Peter at that time could not challenge Iurisdiction ouer the College of all the other Apostles I. CHALLENGE SEt before your eyes any Bishop as for example the Bishop of Toledo who should defend that he was a Bishop extraordinarie and needed not at all to be authorized from Rome and when it should thereupon be obiected that he had bene at Rome with the Pope and other Bishops and Cardinals there and therefore it must needs be thought that he was established in his Calling by them then the Bishop of Toledo should answer semblably as did Saint Paul saying I confesse indeed that I went to Rome to visite the Pope and aboad with him certaine daies but other of the Bishops or Cardinals there I saw none except the Bishop of Cullen and therefore you may not obiect vnto me that I receiued any authoritie from the Conclaue and College at Rome Can you conceiue that any answer could more derogate from the now Popedome than to BVT and except against his authoritie in ordaining or establishing that Bishop of Cullen Yet such like was the Answer and Apologie of Saint Paul for himselfe II. CHALLENGE THe Cause is waightie and may require a further application as thus whiles you giue to the Pope an absolute Iurisdiction cum plenitudine potestatis ouer all other Bishops how can you suffer him to be mated or equalled with other Bishops as Paul did Peter by ioyning in societie with him Iames Iohn Much lesse would you permit that the name of the Bishop of Cullen should be preferred before the name of the Bishop of Rome whose Dioces you extend To the ends of the world as to marshall them thus viz. The Bishop of Cullen the Bishop of Rome and the Bishop of Millan as Saint Paul did in alleaging the name of Iames before Peter For for you to say that this was done In respect that Iames was Bishop of Ierusalem and the Cause had relation to his Dioces is as much as to feigne that the Arch-bishop of Auignon whilest the Pope resided there had beene put in Catalogue before the Pope himselfe or that the name of some King must bee placed before the name of the Emperour euen within his owne Empire Next to talke that the Bishop of Toledo or any other Bishop came to visit the Pope and was dismissed by receiuing from him The right hand of fellowship as Paul did of Peter how if perhaps the phrase had such a literall sence would you thinke this good manners in a Bishop since you do tutor and instruct your Kings and Emperours to do homage to the Pope In kissing his foote But especially to heare any Bishop with a BVT to intimate the No-authoritie of the Pope in his Creation and Ordination as S. Paul did of Peter might this seeme tolerable vnto you who still honour him with the supreme Titles of n The Vniuersall Father The Catholike Bishop and Pastor ouer the whole Christian world III. CHALLENGE WIllingly shall we passe by other Obiections taken from the comparison of Paul or other Apostles with Saint Peter although we know that if Saint Peter had giuen sentence in the Apostolicall Synod at Hierusalem as Iames did in his presence If Peter had beene a Sender of any of the Apostles as he was himselfe one that was Sent by others If Peter had leaned on Christ his brest as Iohn did and had therefore beene solicited by Iohn to aske a question of secrecie as Iohn was by Peter If Peter had beene called by a voice from heauen as Saint Paul was If Peter had made as bold with Paul as Paul did with Peter by Reprouing him publikely 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 before them all which farre differs from the Papall Prerogatiue set downe in the Canon Law saying If the Pope be negligent c. So as thereby innumerable are led to Hell yet is there none that may say Why doe you soe If Peter alone as did Saint Paul had written To the Romanes If it had beene said of Peter's ship as it was of that wherein S. Paul was God hath giuen vnto thee all them that Saile with thee And Except those remaine in the ship you cannot be saued Finally and principally if Saint Peter had written of himselfe as Saint Paul did saying I haue the care of all the Churches This one to omit the rest would haue seemed to you a firmer Foundation than the word ROCKE and haue caused you to lay downe your former iô paean and insultation raised from the depraued sence of those Scriptures Blessed art thou Simon or I haue prayed for thee or Feede thou my Flocke or any other the like whereby you labour to erect a Monarch of Peter and by your Consequence vpon the Pope ouer all Churches in the world Wherein we challenge you of preiudice and rashnes Hitherto we haue spoken of the Faith of Saint Paul concerning the authority of Saint Peter and but consequently of the Romane Bishop We are in the next place to trie S. Paul's Faith directly concerning the Romane Church it selfe That Saint Paul was not of the now Romane Faith concerning the former Article viz. The Catholike Romane Church c. as may appeare by
Church and inscribed his Epistle CATHOLIKE Secondly the Inscription of that Epistle standeth thus To all that are at Rome the Beloued of GOD Saints by calling c. Wherein wee cannot discerne so much as one Syllable of the word Church as wee finde in his Prefaces to the Corinthians To the Church that is at Corinth To the Galathians To the Churches of Galatia to the Thessalonians To the Church of the Thessalonians But in this Epistle hee saith onely To them at Rome Saints by calling to wit the same tenure which hee vsed in his Epistles to the Ephesiaâ—â— Philippians and Colossians Whereunto your Iesuitâ— Salmeron giues this answer There was at this time saith he Factions in Rome betweene Iewes and Gentiles both Christians when Peter the Pastor thereof was expelled out of Rome so that it had scarce the forme of a Church and therefore may it fitly bee said that Paul forbore to call the Romanes a Church If this were the meaning of Saint Paul then are wee sure that hee who would not vouchsafe to call it a Church did thinke Rome to bee as other Churches subiect to the alterations and Changes of Schismes and Factions so farre as not to deserue the name of a Church how much lesse of The Catholike Church Now bethinke your selues what the Apostle would haue called your Rome of after-times when not onely your Professors among themselues but also Popes and Antipopes were distracted into tedious and pernicious Schismes and Factions one against another so that the true Pope sometimes could not bee knowne Which thing your owne deuout Doctors haue greatly deplored One reckoning the number of these Schismes to haue beene Twenty Another accounting the Continuance of one of them to haue endured Fifty yeeres when as the Pope quitting the Citie of Rome for many yeeres together kept his residence at Auignon in France Our third Proofe of Saint Pauls indifferent estimation of the Church of Rome SECT 13. THe third point concerneth the Prerogatiue which you assume to your Romane Church before others Wee shall desire you to consult once againe with Saint Paul in the same Epistle Chap. 1. Ver. 13. saying I haue oftentimes purposed to come vnto you Romanes that I might haue some fruite among you â—lso 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 euen as also among other Gentiles That one wor◠〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 euen as also among Others must needs prooue a prick in your eye who can looke vpon nothing that can more equall the condition of other Churches with the Church of Rome than that word doth by the confession of your Cardinall Tolet and he would haue you to Marke it and we also pray you to Marke what he saith MARRKE saith he the indifferencie of the Gospel because although the Romanes were farre more eminent than other Nations and had the Primacie neuerthelesse in the preaching of the Word and soules-businesse belonging to saluation the Apostle maketh Others equall with the Romanes Among you saith the Apostle as also among other Gentiles of what Nation soeuer So he Heere your Cardinall not to dissemble maketh the Comparison to stand betweene the Romanes and the Grecians as they were before their calling vnto Christianity namely in the equality of Sinne not any one deseruing to be partaker of Grace by the Gospell more than another Neuerthelesse if you shall Marke a little better nothing can be more cleare than that the Apostle compareth these Romanes as they were Christians with other Christian Gentiles conuerted to the Faith because of the same Romanes to whom he said Ver. 6. You are called of Iesus Christ and Ver. 8. You whose Faith is spoken of through-out the World and Ver. 11. I long to see you that I may impart vnto you some spirituall gift to the end you may be established of the Same he saith here in this 13 Verse That I might haue some fruit among you these you know could not bee other than Christians whom he thus commended as already called to the Faith therefore in the next words 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as of other Gentiles he meant the Churches of the Gentiles committed vnto Christ Those saith Aquinas vnto whom he had preached So that the labour of the Apostle was vnpartiall vnto the Churches of Christ further than they should bring forth the Fruites of the Gospell of Christ CHALLENGE TWo things there are by which the estimation which Writers haue of Persons or Incorporations to whom they Dedicate their Epistles may bee discerned to wit Inscriptions and Comparisons The Apostle by the Inscription of his Epistle to the Romanes hath giuen vs iust presumption to thinke that he held not the Church of Rome then The Catholike Church which as then he had cause to forbeare to call so much as a Church and that the said Church by Comparison is subiect to alteration as well as Others And so much the rather because the Indifferencie of the Gospell is such as is not to be tied to one place or people more than to another but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 equall to all Churches so farre forth as they shall walke worthie of the same Gospell of Christ accordingly as we haue beene directed by the Epistle of Saint Paul to the Romanes The Confirmation of the same Faith of Saint Paul by your owne Confessions equalling Saint Paul and Saint Peter in their diuers Relations to the Church of Rome SECT 14. WHat shall we say to your owne free grants 1. That Saint Peter and Saint Paul were both Co-founders of the Romane Church 2. That both were called Bishops of the same Church by Epiphanius 3. That the Authority of Both is cited in the Popes Breeues for Confirmation of Papall Ordinances 4. That both haue their Images ingrauen in your Popes Bulls yea and that in such sort that Paul sometime hath the right hand of Peter as well as other while Peter of Paul Thus farre your Popes and Iesuites CHALLENGE WHich being so how may it not perswade you that your Popes anciently iudged that Saint Paul did not beleeue himselfe subiect to the Iurisdiction of Saint Peter and his Roman See except you will thinke it possible to extract a Primacy of Authoritie out of Aequalitie as well of Titles as of Ordinances or else to conceiue one to be subiect vnto him of whom he hath the vpper-hand especially knowing that to be placed on the Right hand was held an Argument of greater honour among all people the Persians onely excepted If your Popes at this day should see any Bishops picture stamped ioyntly on his Seale that wee may appeale to your selues in this Case guesse wee pray you whether hee could behold any other matched in such an equipage with himselfe without high indignation and extreame Cause of Anathematization So iustly is your new Faith of your now Popes condemned by ancient Attributes Authorities and Seales Thus farre of the faith of Saint Paul your supposed Co-founder of the
Church of Rome saith he not as a particular Dioces or Bishopricke is called the Catholike Church but as it comprehendeth and containeth all Beleeuers in Christ vnder the obedience of the Pope of Rome So they This counterfeit Glosse vpon these termes The Catholike Church as vnder the Obedience of the Pope as Catholike and Vniuersall Head wee shall bring to the Test of the Antient Faith by the witnesse of more than three Fathers I. The iudgement of Saint Augustine SECT 8. WHat was meant by the Catholike Church in the Sence of Antiquity Saint Augustine may be vnto vs herein as the mouth of the whole Church seeing that he had more occasions to discusse this Article than any Other especially because in his time the Donatists did no lesse falsly than arrogantly appropriate the name of the Whole Church vnto their Church in Africke euen as you although in a different Sence hold it proper to the Church of Rome at this day But Saint Augustine The word in Greeke saith he is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in Latine Totum aut Vniuersale that is whole or vniuersall 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is not one but the whole whence the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or Catholike is deriued Thus by distinguishing Whole Church from One Church he sheweth that it is as vnconceiuable that the Catholike Vniuersall or Whole should bee but one One part as it is impossible for one part to be the Whole Which is your Paradoxe to call the Head the whole Body whilest as in your Article you make ROMANE as the Head The Catholike and Vniuersall Church it selfe Thus haue we heard Saint Augustine will you now see him Then behold Rem gestam For when by that busie fellow Petilian the Donatist a publike Conference was held at Carthage betweene seuen Orthodoxe Bishops on the one part and seuen Donatists on the other concerning the Catholike Church Saint Augustine was singled out by the Disputer and posed in these words Whence art thou Who is thy Father Is the Bishop Caecilian he This was the Obiection challenging Augustine to answer whence hee receiued his Religion and vpon whom he depended Heare now his answer My communion saith he began first at Hierusalem and from remote places came nearer vntill it entred into Africke and so disperst it selfe through-out all the World From this my Father God and my Mother-Church will I neuer be separated for the calumnies of any man CHALLENGE SAy now if either Petilian the Heretike could haue questioned Saint Augustine professing himselfe a Catholike whether hee had his dependance vpon CAECILIAN Bishop of Carthage as his spirituall Father if it had beene a currant profession among the Churches of those times to haue held the Bishop of Rome The Catholike Father or the Church of Rome The Catholike Mother-Church without which there is no saluation Or whether it could haue stood with the Conscience of Saint Augustine if he had beene of your now Romish Faith in a question about the Father-hood What Bishop and Mother-hood what Church he professed fo◠to passing by all mention of the B. of Rome acknowledge no Head but Christ and neglecting the Romane Church adhere to the Whole Church dispersed throughout the whole Christian World as indeed the properly called Mother-Church How should not Saint Augustine although neuer so admirable a Saint haue beene held a Schismatike and Heretike if he had liued in these daies either for his ignorance or Contempt of the now Romish resolution of Faith in all such Questions to wit that the Spirituall Father of the Church is the Pope of Rome and the Church of Rome is the Catholike Church is selfe because Head of all the rest As for the prime Mother-Church by spirituall procreation wee see that Saint Augustine acknowledgeth no other than Hierusalem which verefieth that which hath been largely prooued to wit that although the ancient Romane Church might in many respects be called A Mother Church of many other Churches in Christendome especially in respect of her admirable care for the preseruation of diuine truth and peace in the Christian world Yet now since first by vsurping an Originall Prerogatiue of the Vniuersall Mother she is become the Mother of Arrogance and Falsehood 2. By preiudicing the Birth-right of other Churches more ancient than her selfe She may be called the Mother of Schisme 3. By excluding All from hope of Saluation that beleeue her not to bee the Mother-Church shee may iustly bee iudged the Mother of damnable Heresie Of Saint Augustines iudgement more hereafter II. The Iudgement of Saint Hierome concerning the Church Catholike SECT 5. SAint Hierome was a professed and deuoute Childe of the Church of Rome when Rome was yet a true and naturall Mother and no Step-dame who notwithstanding when the Custome of Rome was obiected against him in a Case of difference betweene Deacon and Priest calling the Aduerse part An arrogant paucity he maketh an answer full of indignity As though sayth he there were more authority in Vrbe quà m in Orbe that is in one Citie the Seate of the Bishop of Rome than in the whole Catholike Church besides This is the Testimonie of Saint Hierome wherein the Fathers of the Councell of Basil did in a manner triumph in opposition to the Papall Claime saying O Hierome what meane you Is there therefore greatnes in the Pope because he gouerneth the Church His authority is great indeed but not so great as the authority of the Catholike Church which is not conteined in one Citie but comprehendeth in it selfe the whole World CHALLENGE APply you to this former sentence of Saint Hierome if you can your former distinction namely that the Church of Rome is a Particular Church in it selfe but Catholike as the Head hauing Vniuersal Dominion ouer the whole Church and see whether it will abide the test of Saint Hierome who speaking of the Customes of the Church of Rome calleth the Custome of that Church Vrbem meaning the custome but of one Particular Church whose seate is at Rome and opposeth vnto it the Custome of the Catholike Church which hee calleth Orbem the whole world Shewing thereby with whom also doth accord the iudgement of the Fathers of the Councell of Basil that the Authority of the Church Catholike and of the Church of Rome are not equiualent much lesse the same for in Identity there can be no opposition or comparison None can compare a mans head with it selfe And what furthermore Saint Hierome did conceiue heereof will afterwards appeare in due Place III. The Iudgement of Saint Gregory Bishop of Rome Concerning the Head Catholike In denying the Title of Vniuersall Bishop as did likewise Pelagius and Leo both Bishops of the same See SECT 6. ALthough it can be no sufficient Argument for concluding a Papall authority to obiect vnto vs the testimonies of Popes which is your ordinarie guize in their owne Cause yet will it be vnto vs Armour of Proofe to oppose
so they say Both by the Canons and also by your letters and both these had relation to another part of Reasons and inducements premised in that place And is not this then slie Sophistrie to conclude an whole from a Part Yea but the same Councell say that They durst not iudge Iohn the Bishop of Antioch and therefore reserued him to the iudgement of Pope Celestine which plainly sheweth the supreme authority of the Pope So you What signifie these words that They durst not iudge Iohn of Antioch why they do plainly relate in the same Epistle that they had already deposed him We haue say they deuested him of all his Sacerdotall power So after this referring him to the iudgement of the Pope That for so they say they might with lenity ouercome his rashnesse This was not to preferre him to another Censure for there had bene no lenity in that but to the aduise of Celestine that by his perswasion he might be first reclaimed from error and afterwards restored to his place For a further discouerie of the Ecclipse of the Conscience in your Cardinall let vs consider what Supreme authority he would insinuate to wit that if the Councell could not depose Nestorius Patriarch of Constantinople without the Popes Mandate nor durst depose Iohn Patriarch of Antioch but referred the Cause to the iudgement of the Pope the issue hereof must be directly this viz. That the Pope is absolutely aboue a Generall Councell as the Cardinall defendeth else-where This were a Supreme authority indeed but in truth it is a falshood and long since condemned as you know by your owne Councels of Constance and Basil for a flat Heresie Which your Doctors of Paris haue alwaies disclaimed as contrary to antiquity and which no Councell since the beginning of the Christian Faith did as yet expresly decree as your Doctor Stapleton a great Champion in this Cause doth not denie and therefore betaketh himselfe to the Late tacit and silent consent of the Doctors of your Church Was not this then more than boldnesse in your Cardinall to inferre this Supreme authority out of this Councell Our Opposition First this Councell called Celestine Bishop of Rome Fellow-Minister and did as you haue heard Excommunicate and depose the Patriarch of Antioch before they made any Relation thereof vnto Celestine the Bishop of Rome Ergo It did not acknowledge the now pretended Supreme authority and priuilege of the Pope which is to haue Cases of that nature soly Reserued to his owne Determination Secondly looke into the Councell it selfe and into the Epistle alleaged wherein concerning the points which Pope Celestine had constituted Wee say they haue iudged them to stand firme wherefore we agree with you in one sentence and doe hold them meaning Pelagius and others to be deposed Ergo Consent to the Confirmation of the Popes sentence doth gaine-say his Supreme authority But principally we oppose the Acts of this Councell of Ephesus in decreeing that Neither the Patriarch of Antioch who made claime Nor any other should assume authority of ordaining any Bishop within the Isle of Cyprus The Arguments and Reasons whereupon the Synod made this Decree shew that as well the Authority of the Bishop of Rome as of any other is thereby excluded And they adde more peremptorily It is to be obserued say they in all Prouinces and Dioces that no Bishop drawe vnder his subiection any Prouince which was not his from the beginning lest that vnder pretence of Priest-hood he bring into the Church Arrogance and Pride The very selfe-same disease which Saint Basil and Saint Augustine with the whole Councell of Africke haue both expressely noted and openly detested in the Romane Popes euen of their times CHALLENGE NOne of you euer doubted that this Councell of Ephesus was Generall and the Bishops therein truely Catholikes wherein notwithstanding you see diuers Arguments although not of disunion yet of no Subiection And therefore You except you will condemne CC. holy Bishops must needs iudge your Romane Article to be damnably false IV. That the Beleefe of the Romane Article of The Catholike Romane Church without subiection whereunto there is no saluation Damneth aboue CCCC Catholike Bishops in the fourth Generall Councell of Chalcedon SECT 5. FOure hundred and thirty Bishops were assembled in this Councell of Chalcedon with whom we are to aduize concerning your Article of Necessary Subiection to the Bishop of Rome and his Church But first wee are ready to answer and then to replie Your Obiection THis Councell saith your Cardinall said that The custodie of the Vine that is of the Catholike Church is committed to the Pope by God It saith so and so doth that godly primitiue Pope Eleutherius say to the Bishops in France as you know that The whole Catholike Church is committed by Christ vnto them Were They therefore thinke you all Popes What say you The meaning of Eleutherius is say you that for as much as Heretikes doe oppugne the Catholike and Vniuersall Church it belongeth vnto euery Bishop to haue an vniuersal care to defend support it And this is a true Answer indeed else must you grant that Saint Paul was a Pope ouer Saint Peter because he tooke vpon him The cure or care of the whole Church and that Athanasius Bishop of Alexandria was Pope aboue the then Bishop of Rome because Gregory Nazianzene saith of him that He hauing the presidence of the Church of Alexandria may be said thereby to haue the Gouernement of the whole Christian World By these Euidences we are compelled to aske with what Conscience you could make such Obiections in good earnest to busie your Aduersaries and seduce your Disciples with all whereunto you-your-selues could so easily make answer But thus Catchitiue haue you beene at the shadow let vs trie whether we can apprehend the substantiall Truth Our Opposition For what is that which you will say belongeth really to the Supreame and Papall Dominion of the Bishop of Rome Because say you with common consent the Pope hath supreme authority in gouerning the Church therefore can hee change the Canons and decrees of General Councels So you But what then say you to the equalling of other Patriarchall Seates with Rome The Fathers of the Councel of Chalcedon say you did giue Priuileges to the Patriarkeship of Constantinople equall to the Church of Rome but Pope Leo did oppose against the Decree of the Councell and disclaimed it You say true but yet let vs come to the ground of beleefe as well of the Fathers of that Councell in opposing your pretended Papall dignity and authority as of your Doctors in contradicting them Secondly therefore The Pope of Rome say you hath his Monarchie and sole gouernment of the Church from diuine right And The Romane Church was founded by God What Prouince then in the world is free from her Iurisdiction So
be crowned with Martyrdome after his death Againe this was that Father of Saint Cyprian who first vttered that excellent saying No man hath God for his Father who hath not the Church for his Mother a speech twice vsed and that worthily by the same Father Saint Cyprian Hardly can a Protestant change three words with any of you in Conference concerning the Church of Rome but you are ready to vsurpe vrge and inculcate this Sentence of Saint Cyprian as a full Conuiction in it selfe thereby to proue and conclude all Protestants to be therefore without God because they acknowledge not the Church of Rome to be according to your now Romane Article The Catholike Mother Church Which Obiection hath bene already prooued from the generall voyce of Antiquity and many Examples from thence to be as farre from Truth as Antiquity is from Noueltie and plaine dealing from meere Sophistication and iugling But now are we to try what is the sense of this Sentence from Saint Cyprian himselfe the first Author thereof The question then will be whether by MOTHER Church without which none can haue God for a Father he meant the Church of Rome or not or rather whether he spake it not then in Opposition to the Church of Rome The due examination hereof may be vnto vs an absolute decision of this whole Cause concerning the pretended Motherhood of the Church of Rome Saint Cyprian then at the second time when hee made vse of this speech He hath not God for his Father that hath not the Church for his Mother wrote to Pompeius in reprehension of Pope Stephen for endeuouring as he saith to defend the cause of Heretikes wherein the same Stephen threatened Excommunication against Cyprian which occasioned him to say What meaneth our Stephen to breake out into so vengible an obstinacy As for the Excommunication threatened by Pope Stephen against Cyprian and Others that were of a contrary opinion he doth contemne it yea and condemne it too when Alluding as your selues confesse vnto the same Decree of the Pope he said None of all vs Bishops in Africke doth compell any of his fellowes that are contrary minded with any tyrannicall terror Often was the Opposition of Saint Cyprian against Stephen obiected against Sainst Augustine by the Donatists for patronage of their owne opinion who taught that the Catholike Church as it is Visible consisteth onely of perfit and sanctified men Saint Augustine so argueth with the those Donatists as if Hee Cyprian and Pope Stephen had bene vnited together but this hee did in such manner that we may say with your Baronius speaking of the same contention betweene Cyprian and Stephen Hee vsed a kind of laudable euasion or escape being willing to conceale their iarres For indeed Saint Augustine elsewhere albeit enclinable enough to suppose that Cyprian did recant his error of Rebaptization before his death confesseth in direct termes that It is no where found that Cyprian did euer change his opinion For our better satisfaction herein we should aduise in this case rather with Firmilianus a Bishop liuing in the dayes of Saint Cyprian than with Saint Augustine who came some hundred and fifty yeares after This ancient Father Firmilianus being of the same iudgement with Saint Cyprian speaking of the aboue named Excommunication giuen out by Pope Stephen concludeth not Cyprian but Pope Stephen to be the Schismatike in this contention because The Pope hereby saith he cutteth himselfe off from the flocke of Christ. As for Saint Cyprian although he notwithstanding the Excommunication held for his part a Christian and brotherly affection to the Church of Rome yet did he still persist in his contrary opinion neuerthelesse so as holding it vnlawfull for either side to Excommunicate the other for this question I passe ouer your other Obiections as a vaine presumption and so it is proued to be CHALLENGE HEre againe we appeale to your owne consciences to iudge whether Saint Cyprian when he contended against Pope Stephen and in a Councell both renounced his Decree and contemned his Excommunication and at the same time held it impossible for any to haue God to his Father for Saluation who had not the Church to his Mother for Direction could possibly by Mother-Church vnderstand the Church of Rome by which all of his opinion were Excommunicated except you would make Cyprian so vtterly forlorne of grace as wilfully to damne himselfe by an obstinate Separation from the Church of Rome So infallible it is that the Church of Rome in those times was held to be onely a Member of the Catholike Church and not The Catholike Mother-Church it selfe IV. That Saint Cyprian hath bene euer since his death esteemed a blessed Saint and Martyr notwithstanding his continuall Opposition to the Pope of Rome SECT 7. ALthough it could be supposed that Cyprian did recant his opinion before his death yet would not this any way prop or support that your Romane Claime except it might further appeare that he sought the Absolution of the Church of Rome for his error Neither yet would this suffice vnlesse you could proue it an Absolution of Iurisdiction and not of Charity euen as contrarily the Excommunication was held by Firmilianus and Cyprian to be an Excommunication proceeding rather from Pride than good discretion Nor were this enough for if you will make Cyprian a Saint you are further to prooue that he acknowledged Subiection of his Church of Carthage to the Church or Pope of Rome in case of Appeales in which cause Saint Augustine did take part with Saint Cyprian against your Romane Church We conclude therefore from your Confessions that Cyprian was alwaies reckoned in the number of Catholikes as also that he is still instiled A most glorious Martyr yea and registred in your Romane Calendar by the Title of Cyprian Saint and Martyr notwithstanding his continuall Opposition against the Romane Church CHALLENGE THis blessed man of God Saint Cyprian who for his exceeding learning care diligence and power in preseruing the Faith of Christ and peace of his Church Did say you as witnesseth Saint Nazianzene gouerne not onely Africke but also the East yea and West Churches of Christendome himselfe who was so happy at his death as that he was crowned with the glorious Diadem of Martyrdome for his Testimony of our Lord Iesus who was so honourable in his memory as to be accompted throughout the Christian world an excellent Saint of God may be lawfully yea laudably produced for an excellent Patron against the titular tyrannie of Popedome Whose example in his Opposition against the Pope of Rome may be vnto vs as a sharpe axe to cut off by the very necke the now vsurped Fatherhood or Headship and Motherhood of the Pope and Church of Rome because if you shall remember the Premisses you may perceiue that 〈…〉 Opposition of Cyprian and other Churches of Christ the Bishop of Rome in
in the Church of Christ as those that stood in the state of Saluation The Subiestion required by you from Emperours to the Bishop of Rome SECT 2. MAny words of Introduction neede not your Conclusions are as followeth That Princes and whatsoeuer Potentates are not to meddle in Ecclesiasticall affaires They May not gather Councels by their owne Authoritie They Ought to yeeld Prioritie of Place especially to the Pope And To professe Reuerence this being a signe of Superioritie and also Obedience vnto him But how farre must this Reuerence extend if you your selues may prescribe namely sauing your Reuerence to the Kissing of the Popes feet which in your iudgement is An honour which the Pope may not refuse and which Pope Gregorie the Seuenth reckoneth in the Ninth place of those Priuileges which he challenged as properly belonging to him as Pope of Rome Not to insist vpon the barbarous boast which you make of your Popes In not admitting of two Emperours to their presence without an extreame kinde of Submission the one by approaching vpon his bare feet the other by subiecting his necke vnto the Popes feet While-as the Popes Oxe may bragge of more fauour than the first and his Asse than the second Much more might be added out of the last worke of Bellarmin entitled The Dutie of a Christian Prince wherein such is the spirit of that Cardinall that whatsoeuer any example of honour he could rake out of the ashes of Princes Kings or Emperours yeelded to either Popes Bishops or Priests in the superlatiue excesse of their humilitie zeale and deuotion that doth hee violently wrest to make of it a Generall Rule of Office and Dutie euen to the Dedignifying and abasing of Princes to the yeelding of praeeminence to Bishops and inferior Priests in Precedence and going first in Presidence and sitting aboue yea and they exact also very soberly I wisse a Prebibition and drinking before them A Doctrine wherein that old Cardinall hath beene sufficiently I hope conuinced of extreame dotage The Opposition of the former Emperours against the pretended Subiection SECT 3. THe First point of their Opposition may be discerned in their Interesting themselues in Ecclesiasticall affaires The Emperour Constantine as Saint Augustine witnesseth at large committed the Cause of Caecilian Bishop of Carthage vnto Pope Meltiades Obserue Ergò it was by the Emperors Commission and not to him alone but to him with others who are called in that Commission the Popes Colleagues Secondly Obserue Ergo the Pope was not Monarch or sole Actor herein nay after that the Pope had giuen his iudgement the same Emperor referred the same Cause to be more diligently examined and ended to the Bishops of Arles Thirdly Obserue Ergo the Iudgement of the Pope will suffer an higher Appeale for after in the Case of Athanasius the same Emperour chargeth all the Bishops of the Prouince of Tyre what to doe To appeare before mee saith hee without delay and to shew how sincerely and truely you haue giuen your iudgements And not thus onely but when the Cause Ecclesiasticall requireth hee proceedeth to denounce punishment by his owne Authoritie against whomsoeuer that shall honor the memory of those Bishops Theognis and Eusebius Other the like Demonstrations might be brought of Constantne his Authority in Causes Ecclesiasticall Of the Emperour Theodosius we reade that he gaue to the Bishop Dioscorus Authority and Superiority of place to moderate Causes in a Councell Can this consist thinke you with your pretended Subiection No He giueth say you that which he hath not to giue but doth it out of Ignorance of the Canon vsurping that Authority Oh you are angrie and no maruell though men fancie not that fruite which setteth their teeth on edge But we cannot be sparing in this kind For Theodosius the younger and Honorius both Emperours Say as you know that the Patriarch of Constantinople hath the same right ouer those in subiection vnder him which the Pope hath ouer his Where diuers Subiects must needs argue different Subiections and equality of Right must as nessarily dissolue Monarchie which can be but of One. And Iustinian the Emperour will hardly please you with whom you quarrell at the first hearing He authorized vnder his owne hand The Code or Bookes of Constitutions and Pandects for the Regulating of the Clergie as well as of the Laity Whereat you fret not a little Herein he is say you iustly reprooued of many as one inuading vpon and intruding into the Office of diuine causes The same Emperour taketh vpon him the Confirmation of the Election of the Bishop of Rome and behold againe you brand him withe the note of an Vsurper Finally in generall you shape vs this Answer These Emperours haue passed the bounds of their Authority You furthermore told vs of another Character of due Subiection which is the yeelding vnto the Pope the Prerogatiue of gathering Generall Councels albeit nothing is more obuious to Any conuersant in Ecclesiasticall reading than that which your owne Cardinall Cusanus hath confessed long since The first eight generall Councels saith he were gathered by Authority of Emperours and not of Popes insomuch that Pope Leo was glad to intreat the Emperour Theodosius the younger for the gathering of a Councell in Italy and could not obtaine it But can we forget your next Prerogatiue of Subiection viz. the Popes Precedency and Priority of place aboue euen Emperours themselues Surely if he had any ancient claime hereunto it should haue bene in that wherein he challengeth the greatest praeeminence to wit in a Generall Councell But when we aske the Question why no one of your Popes were euer personally present in any of the first Generll Councels if he must be thought to be the sole Head of the Church and he alone to haue an infallible iudgement in himselfe no not though they were in the same City as was Vigilius where the Councell was celebrated You answer that the reason why the Popes would not present themselues in these Councels was this Because the Greeke Bishops who were in those Easterne Councels wherein also the Emperours were present would haue preferred the Emperours in place aboue the Popes So you And we cannot but belieue you and thereupon make bold to conuince your new Doctors of egregious impudency who dare extend the height of the praeeminency of Popes aboue Emperours euen in defiance as it were of all Antiquity and of the Consent of all those Catholike Bishops in Generall Councels As for your last and basest point of Subiection of Kissing the Popes feet it tasteth so ranckly of Luciferian pride in the now Popes that we thinke it an exceeding iniury to the memory of holy Popes of the Primitiue times to belieue that they could affect or would admit such an homage and honour a lesse than which Saint Peter refused as too much if it had bene offered
Iurisdiction and a Necessity of Subordination to his Sea as whereunto All other Churches are subiect But all this by a meere fallacy in taking the words of Saint Hierom simply and absolutely which he meant in a respectiue and restrained sense whether you consider Damasus Bishop of Rome or the Church of Rome it selfe For first You Obiect concerning Pope Damasus that Saint Hierom calleth himselfe his Sheepe being notwithstanding vnder the Iurisdiction of Paulinus Patriarch of Antioch As though that he might not be held a Sheepe of the Bishop of Rome in respect of his Baptisme the signe and as it were eare-marke of Christianity being as you know Baptized at Rome in his full age Or as though when the Faith of Paulinus his Bishop was questionable it were not lawfull to submit to the iudgement of another Bishop of knowne constancie in the Truth Secondly That Hierom calleth Damasus The Successor of Peter As though euery Successor in Peters Seat had an hereditary Right to be Successor in Peters Faith which contradicteth the iudgement of Saint Hierom who condemned Pope Liberius who was as lawfull a Successor in the Seate of Peter as was Damasus for Consenting vnto Heresie Thirdly That Saint Hierom addresseth himselfe to Pope Damasus alone As though Damasus were the onely man to resolue him in all the Mysteries of Faith whereas in other Doctrines Saint Hierom ingenuously confesseth that he trauelled to remote Countries as Greece to Gregory Nazianzene whom he calleth his Master Of whom saith he I learned to interpret the Scriptures After that he iourneyed to Alexandria in Aegypt To see Didymus that I might saith he consult with him touching the doubts that I had in all Scriptures This needed not Saint Hierom to haue done if the Oracle of all Truth had resided at Rome and had beene personated in Damasus the Bishop of that See Fourthly Yet that Saint Hierom in this question concerning the vse of the word Hypostasis sought satisfaction onely from Pope Damasus and relyed onely vpon his iudgement for the sense of the word As though Saint Hierom did not for his Resolution ioyne vnto Damasus Bishop of Rome Peter the Bishop of Alexandria as depending vpon Both and professing either to be absolued or else condemned with both Or as though Pope Damasus in points of Diuinity had not more need to be instructed by Hierom than this Saint by Pope Damasus This were to giue Pope Damasus himselfe the lie who desired to haue conference with Saint Hierom that so I may aske questions saith Damasus and Thou mayst answer that is as Baronius confesseth that Hierom might teach and the Pope learne yea and as though if you require the sense of this word Hypostasis Saint Hierom did not teach Damasus yes he did So doth your Espensaeus confesse Hieronymus consuluit Damasum imò consuluit Damaso That is He rather instructed Pope Damasus than was instructed by him For he told Damasus that the word Hypostasis might haue a double sense the one was Catholike to signifie Persons the other Hereticall to signifie Essentiall nature The not vnderstanding of which word Hypostasis was the reason that Basil imputed Ignorance to the Church of Rome as hath beene said You will aske what then was the Resolution which Saint Hierom sought from Pope Damasus concerning the vse of that word seeing that S. Hierom could not be ignorant of the true sence This you may know by the Answer of Pope Damasus which was as your Baronius collecteth to let Hierom vnderstand that He might lawfully communicate with Paulinus the Bishop of Antioch So that your last error is as though you would conclude that he that could determine what person was most like to vse the word Hypostasis in the Catholike sense must therefore bee accompted the onely Competent Iudge of the Catholike sense Concerning the Second Subiect in this Obiection which is the Church of Rome we complaine of your Authors for the like Sophistry For you obiect for the Prerogatiue of your Church First these words of S. Hierom I am vnited to the Beatitude that is to the Chaire of Peter As though by Chaire he meant the See and Bishopricke of Rome and not the true doctrine of Faith then preached in Rome euen as Christ spake of the Chaire of Moses that is saith Saint Hierom the Law of Moses Secondly But Hierom saith of this Chaire that Christ hath built his Church vpon this Rocke As though by Rocke is not meant the same doctrine of Faith which was confessed by Saint Peter as hath beene proued and which was at that time truly and faithfully professed by Damasus and the whole Church of Rome or as though because that Rome was then faithfull shee therefore had a priuilege neuer to turne Apostate which is a pernicious Paradoxe voide of all ground of Faith as hath beene also largely declared and which can haue no support by this sentence of Hierom where by Rocke he meaneth not Rome saith Erasmus because Rome may degenerate but he vnderstandeth the Faith which Peter professed Bring vs now this Faith of Saint Peter and then challenge our Faith to beleeue you This is the Rocke vpon which Christ saith Hierom built his Church He saith not Built the Church of Rome but the whole Vniuersall Church This we confesse with Saint Hierom to bee The House of God without which whosoeuer eateth the Paschall Lambe is profane This is the Arke of Noah within which whosoeuer is not perisheth as well Romane as Grecian as well Bishop of Rome as Bishop of Thessaly Thus many waies haue you depraued the Orthodoxe meaning of Saint Hierome by expounding that which was spoken particularly of Damasus and of the Church of Rome then sound in the Faith and applying it vnto Rome and all the Bishops of Rome from time to time as though Virgine Ierusalem might not at length become an Whore Secondly by peruerting his speach concerning the Rocke and Building that is Faith and Church generally taken and appropriating it vnto the Faith and Church of Rome at all times and in all Causes Which in the next place we are to shew to be diametrally opposite to the iudgement of Saint Hierom. Saint Hierom his Opposition to the pretended Soueraignty and Infallibility of the Church and Pope of Rome What Saint Hierom hath taught vs to conceiue of the Pope Clergie and Church of Rome we shall shew from S. Hierom himselfe not sophistically but plainely and truly For when we aske you of what stature euery Pope ought to bee for his dignity and Authority You answer that hee can bee no lesse than a Monarch and sole Head of the Catholike Church But Saint Hierom in the same Epistle that was obiected speaking to Pope Damasus saith I desire of you my Pastor that you would preserue your sheepe and addeth immediately as followeth Put away enuie and let the ambition of the Romane height
Rome as it is tearmed Catholike Your answer is that Among the Causes which by Diuine Law are referred vnto the Pope one is to decree what Scriptures are Canonicall Well then let this bee our First Question whether the Church of Rome in the dayes of Saint Hierome decreed the Epistle of Saint Paul to the Hebrewes to be Canonicall And Saint Hierome saith that Although formerly all other Churches in the East did account it Canonicall yet it was not receiued as Canonicall in the Latine or Romane Church In the Second place it is inquirable whether vpon this difference Saint Hierome will yeelde to the iudgement of the East and Greeke Church rather than of the West and Latine Church in a Cause of so great moment And Saint Hierome resolueth saying Although the Latine Church doth not admit of this Epistle as Canonicall wee notwithstanding saith hee doe receiue it Say now was Saint Hierome herein a Catholike or not you must needs grant he was a Catholike seeing that since his dayes your Church hath decreed that Epistle to the Hebrewes to be held Canonicall whence it will irresistibly follow that Saint Hierome who held herein with the rest of the Catholike Church against the Church of Rome in discerning of a part of Canonicall Scripture did thereby iudge the Church of Rome not to bee The Catholike Church Wee may see the same concerning the Canon of Scriptures of the Old Testament whereof your Church of Rome hath decreed in the last Councell of Trent as followeth If any doe not receiue as Canonicall the booke of Hester Daniell Baruch Ecclesiasticus Wisdome Iudith Tobias and the Two Bookes of Maccabees with all their parts as they are in the Vulgar edition let him be Anathema and accursed But say now was Saint Hierome of this Faith did he beleeue all those Bookes and their parts now mentioned to be Canonicall Nay did he not abandon them as Apocrypha and not properly Diuine Scriptures Yes saith your Cardinall Saint Hierome said of these that they were not within the Canon of Scriptures where he speaketh not of the Canon of the Iewes onely So he meaning that hee spake of the Canon of Christians If therefore the Church of Rome at that time were of the opinion of Saint Hierome then doth That ancient Church of Rome in reiecting those Bookes as Apocrypha condemne This now Romane Church which hath Canonized them for true Scriptures And if Saint Hierome in iudging these Apocrypha Bookes worthy to be excluded out of the Canon of Christians did herein dissent from the Church Rome in his dayes then did he againe beleeue that the Church of Rome was not The Catholike and Vniuersall Christian Church CHALLENGE WHereas your Obiectors haue dealt like a sort of Trades-men who shew not their wares but in darke lights whereby their Chapmen are often mistaken in their Trafficke we contrarily haue set before you the best kinde of Illustration namely the Comparison of things ioyntly one with another As for Example 1. Comparing Pope with Pope as Damasus a true Catholike with Liberius in apparance an Heretike Wee inferre Saint Hierome his no-beliefe of Gods perpetuall Assistance by Diuine Direction of the Pope 2. Comparing Pope with Bishop as Damasus with Petrus Bishop of Alexandria in Aegypt vpon whom Saint Hierome ioyntly relied in his Opposition against Heretikes Wee inferre that Saint Hierome beleeued not a Necessity of a singular Communion with the Pope 3. Comparing the Pope with Saint Hierome himselfe who although hee had beene a Scribe to the Pope and therefore so neere to the supposed fountaine of Oracles yet was glad to take long iournies and spend much time to Learne the Interpretation of Scriptures from Gregorie of Nazianzum and Didymus of Antioch and not so onely but did also instruct Pope Damasus in the knowledge of Scriptures Wee inferre that Saint Hierome did not beleeue your now Romane Principle which is to referre the last and safest Resolution for vnderstanding of the Sense of Scriptures to the iudgement of the Pope 4 Comparing the Citie of Rome and his Clergie with Palestine and hirs and Hierome not doubting to call Rome Babylon purple Whore strange Land and her Clergie Factious Ignorants and shewing his great contentment which hee found else-where We inferre that Rome is not alwayes to containe that Schoole of learning that Theatre of Sanctitie that Temple of perfit Worship which you vsually boast off 5 Comparing Bishopricke with Bishopricke Saint Hierome equalling the greatest as Rome with the least as Eugubium In honore Sacerdotij In honour of Priesthood And what Saint Hierome meaneth by Sacerdotium who knoweth not Wee inferre that Saint Hierome neuer beleeued the Prae-potency of the Bishop of Rome ouer other Bishops which you call Popedome to be founded vpon Diuine Ordinance 6 Comparing Church with Church as the Westerne or Latine Church whereof Rome is a chiefest member with the East or Greeke Church and all other Churches besides and Saint Hierome forsaking the Custome and iudgement of the West and Latine Church and yeelding to the East and Greeke Churches in a Doctrine which is the Foundation of all Fundamentall Articles to wit the true Canon of Scriptures both in the New Testament and in the Old We inferre that Saint Hierome did not beleeue either a Necessitie of all Vnion with the Romane Church in Doctrine or yet an absolute Dominion of the Romane Church aboue all others Whatsoeuer your reply be you must either expunge your now Romane Article out of the Canon of Faith or else raze the name of Saint Hierome out of your Calendar of Saints VII Saint Ambrose beleeued not the now Romane Article of Necessitie of Vnion and Subiection to the Romane Church SECT 7. SAint Ambrose Bishop of Milane is honored by your Memoriall of him in your Romane Calendar but much more in his owne Bookes and in the mindes of all Orthodox Christians in all ages since he liued for Confessor and Doctor of the Church of whom Saint Augustine could say I haue had experience of his graue constancie labours and perils for the Catholike Cause which the whole Romane world doth commend and report as well as I. This Saint the more excellent hee is the more forcible his Testimony ought to be whether it be on your side or on ours We are willing first to vnderstand what you can obiect Your Obiection out of Saint Ambrose answered Your Cardinall his Argument is this Ambrose calleth Pope Damasus the Rector of the whole Church and his Brother Satyrus would not admit of a Bishop to heare him before he vnderstood that he consented with Catholike Bishops That is saith he with the Church of Rome Ergo the Church of Rome is the Head of the Church Catholike Wherein your Cardinall laboureth of the same Elench whiles hee mistakes the words respectiuely spoken to one person Pope Damasus and circumstantially for one time as if they were absolutely so ment
by their Acts and Deedes that Popes anciently were no Monarks at all Then will you conclude that we haue iust reason to challenge your Authors of great vnconscionablenesse in their defence and by the vanity of their proofes to perswade your selues of the Truth of our Cause Your Second kinde of Obiections are taken from Titles attributed by Ancient Fathers to the Bishop or Church of Rome The Vanitie of the Consequence hereof discouered First by Equiualences SECT 2. YOur Cardinall to proue his former Conclusion concerning the Succession of the Pope in the Ecclesiasticall Monarchie flieth againe after Titles as namely such as haue beene attributed vnto Popes long since by Ancient Fathers Wee are to discouer the falsehood of this Consequence knowing that the Foundation is too weake to carry so great a weight as is a Monarchie and sole Dominion of one Atlas the Pope ouer all the Catholike Church of Christ and to answer the most of those by like Parallels and Equiualences First The Popes Primacie is proued say you by the word Papa that is Pope Three wayes One because though it had bin giuen commonly to others yet was it attributed to the Bishop of Rome by way of Excellencie thus THE Pope Ergo Monarke False for it was bestowed as well vpon Saint Cyprian by the way of Excellencie insomuch that at the point of his Martyrdome when the Paganish Proconsull askt him Art thou he whom Christians call their Pope Saint Cyprian answered yea IAME Next because say you he is also called The Pope of the Vniuersall Church Ergò hee is a Monarke False for Athanasius also who is called Pope had his Church called by Constantine The Vniuersall Church Lastly because say you The Bishop of Rome himselfe calleth no other Bishop Pope but Sonne or Brother Ergo hee is Monarch False for Pope Cornelius likewise as is confessed called Cyprian Pope yea and Cyprian called Pope Cornelius Brother as also Epiphanius as is further confessed called Pope Hormisda Brother so little doth the name of Brother or Title of Pope auoid the Equalitie among Bishops The Second name is The Father of Fathers giuen to Damasus Ergo he was Monarch False for if Others were called Popes as you haue heard all is one because as is confessed Papa and Pater Patrum Pope and Father of Fathers is the same And also Saint Polycarpus was called The Father of Christians Thirdly Fourthly and Fifthly the Bishop of Rome say you was called The high Priest of Christians yea The Chiefe Priest yea The Prince of Priests Ergo Monarch False for Basil who was no Pope was called Great Priest Athanasius also was called The Master of Priests and you haue many in the Church of Rome vnder Monarchs yea or Bishops that are called Arch Priests and whatsoeuer your phrase be it cannot be higher or chiefer than Summus or Chiefe which by your owne Confâ—ssions hath bin communicated to Non-popes Sixthly the Bishop of Rome say you was called The Vicar of Christ. Ergo Monarch False for Pope Eusebius alluding to that of the Apostle concerning all the Apostles Wee are the Embassadours in Christi vice in Christ his stead and applying it to Bishops saith There is one Head of the Church Christ but the Vicars of Christ are they that in Christ his stead are Embassadours for Christ. Seauenthly the Bishop of Rome say you was called The Head of the Church and his Seate or Church The Head of Churches Ergo the Pope is Monarch False for Athanasius was likewise called The topp of the Head of all and Cyril in a Councell The Head of the Assembly and Antioch is called The Head of the whole world The Eight and Ninth The Bishop of Rome is called The Foundation of the Church and Pastor of the Lords flocke Ergo Monarch False for Athanasius also is called The Foundation of the Church of God And if you speake De iure the word Pastor of the whole flocke was proper to the Apostles who receiued in their ioynt Commission a power and Authoritie of Preaching throughout the world to euery humane creature without any limitation insomuch that as Saint Augustine saith Peter was a Pastor and Paul was a Pastor and the other Apostles were also Pastors But there could not be so many Monarchs ouer the whole Church But if you vnderstand thereby Curam Studium Care Studie which by the Office of Pastorship euery one is bound vnto according to his possibility towards the good of the Vniuersall Church in this all other Bishops are Pastors as well as the Pope as hath bin confessed The Tenth The Bishop of Rome say you is called The Rector or Gouernour of the house of God Ergo Monarch False for it is not spoken Vniuersally but Indefinitely In materiâ contingenti with allusion to the words of Saint Paul to Timothie thus That thou maist know how to conuerse in the house of God which is the Church of the liuing God namely with an vniuersall care ouer All but a Particular power ouer that his Church of Ephesus which was his Bishopricke and yet Timothie was no Monarch The Eleuenth The Bishop of Rome say you is called Hee to whom the Lords Vineyard is committed Ergo hee is Monarch False for Pope Eleutherius as you know writ to the Bishops of France thus The vniuersall Church saith hee is committed vnto you yet hee ment nothing lesse than to iudge them Spirituall Monarchs The Twelfth The Bishop of Rome is called say you The Father and Doctor of all Christians Ergo Monarch False for the First of these was Attributed vnto Polycarpus a Bishop of Asia who was called The Father of Christians And because the Second concerneth your Faith and the iudgement of the Bishop of Rome as an Oracle for the full determination of Faith as being therefore worthy to bee held Monarchicall wee say that your Consequence from this Title The Doctor of Christians and the like is as false as any of the rest because of the Equiualencie of Attributes giuen to other learned and Orthodox Fathers as followeth Our second discouery of the falshood and vanity of your Papall Defence from Titles borrowed from Ancient Fathers by our like Equiualences SECT 3. IF your Consequence from Titles must needs conclude a Monarchicall Pope then marke we pray you how many Monarches must be acknowledged in the purest times of Christ his Church after the Apostles who notwithstanding neuer were lifted in the Catalogue of your Popes wherein we make bold to call your owne Authors to witnesse First then to answer you as Logicians speake in your very Termes looke into the Marginalls and you shall finde 1 Origen called by Didymus The Master of the Churches and by Saint Hierom Most excellent expounder of
that euery mans Cause be heard where the crime is committed And which words your Cardinall thought good to pretermit euery Pastor hath committed vnto him a portion of the flocke of Christ which he is to gouern wherof he is to giue an account vnto God And doubtlesse they who are vnder our gouernment ought not to gad and wander nor rashly and cunningly to make a difference betweene Bishops that are at Vnity and Concord but they should pleade their cause there where both accusers and witnesses may be had except some few desperate and naughty fellowes thinke the Authority of the Bishops of Africke to be of lesse power or might who haue iudged and by the grauity of their iudgement haue condemned men whose consciences are fettered in the cords of their owne offences their cause is already knowne and tried and iudgement is giuen already vnto them nor can it agree with the censure of Bishops to deserue the reprehension of lightnesse and inconstancy So he Than which what could be said more to the strangling of your pretended Right of Appeales to Rome Your Cardinals Answeres are many and various it will be the most expedite way for vs to follow him step by step 1. Cyprian saith he albeit he did vnwillingly endure yet did he not altogether abrogate Appeales True if you meane simply the Abrogation of All Appeales within Africke but if you vnderstand that he abrogated not All Appeales beyond the Seas and consequently to Rome then is your Answer most false Secondly your Cardinall instanceth in an Example of One Appealing from Spaine vnto Rome many hundred miles distant yet Cyprian writing hereof saith he said Non tà m quà m the Pope was not so much too blame who was deceiued by the Appellant as was the Appellant himselfe that deceiued him As though this were not a full Reprehension of both If one say that he is not so fellonious that receiueth stolne goods as the man that did steale them your Non tà m quà m doth distinguish them in the degree of more or lesse fellony but maketh no difference in their nature and kind for both are felonies So then the Pope was lesse blameable Ergo he was blameable but the other more because the Appellant would needs Appeale in the consciousnes of his Crime but the Pope entertained it in a presumption of the mans integrity and therefore Both blameable because as Cyprian argueth against equity and iustice Thirdly but The decree which Cyprian speaketh of saith your Cardinall was against the First iudgement which is to be made in the place where the crime is committed but he forbiddeth not Second iudgements else-where by way of Appeale Than which what can be more false I had almost said faithlesse for the Cardinall himselfe knoweth that Cyprian vseth this as a Reason against their flying to Rome for a second Iudgment euen Because saith Cyprian they had bene already iudged by me and my Bishops by whom they were condemned Fourthly but Cyprian saith he argueth from this Decree as it implyeth most notorious and manifest crimes What did your Cardinall meane by this his Ipse dixit to infascinate his Reader and to depriue him both of reason and sense For ordinary reason teacheth in points of Law first that A man must not distinguish where the Law doth not distinguish although then it happened that these Crimes of the Appellant were indeed notorious yet in the Decree it selfe there is no such Distinction Secondly it is a vaine thing to thinke that any Crime can appeare so Notorious to a Iudge who is many hundred miles off but one report will encounter another and the Appellant will still make faire pretence of innocency for himselfe vntill the matter be tryed And that we may Appeale to common sense in reading of the Canon and Decree it selfe it is Generall thus It is iust that euery mans Cause be heard there where the crime is committed It seemeth then that your Cardinall dreamed of a Cause implyed in this Decree which could not be any mans Cause else he would haue considered that where Euery mans Cause is expressed No cause of any man could be excepted Fifthly but If Cyprian saith he should here deny Appeales then should he take away all Appeales not onely to Rome but euen to euery place else which Answer how vnworthy it is the iudgement of any man of learning you will easily perceiue Cyprian as your Pamelius noteth was the Chiefe Primate in Africke who held a Councell of his Bishops to Excommunicate Fortunatus and to depose him the Councell fore-seeing the factiousnesse of Fortunatus that he would seeke to Rome to trouble the Church of Christ by working distraction betweene the Churches of Rome and Carthage made the former Decree expressing the iniquity of any Appeale to Remote places where the Cause could not be iustly tryed Heereby the said Councell tooke not away All Appeales within Africke for it was then lawfull for a Clerke to Appeale from his Bishop to an Arch-Bishop from a Metropolitan to a Councell and behold here was a Councell of Bishops which put the Period to all further Appeales expressely forbidding Appealing to places so remote as Rome was which none in Africke could come vnto without Transmigration ouer Sea Your Cardinal's Answer would teach a man to argue thus There lyeth an Appeale from th◠Bishop of Chester to the Arch-Bishop of York and from the Court of York to the Delegates but the State of England denieth Transalpinari Appeales from England ouer the Alpes to Rome Ergò the State of England abrogateth all manner of Appeales whether from Chester to York or from York to the Delegates Moreouer Cyprian speaking of those Schismaticall Appellants Except saith he some few desperate and wretched fellowes thinke the Authority of the Bishop of Africke lesse Insinuating as we may truly iustly and according to their Intention interpret it than the Authority of the Bishop of Rome thereby impairing the power of the Bishop of Rome in respect of the iudgement of a Nationall Councell No saith your Cardinall but the words lesse Authority haue Relation to the Cause and not to the Bishop of Rome as signifying that the Bishops of Africke had authority sufficient to iudge that Cause Here againe he feigneth Cyprian to haue thought those few desperate and wretched Appellants to haue beene so absurd as to thinke they could not be iudged by a Prouinciall Councell whereunto they were subiect An absurdity which none i◠Christianitie could truely imagine Besides the words Lesse Authoritie of them that haue iudged haue Relation to him whom those Fellowes desired to re-iudge their Cause namely the Pope therefore it was as much as if Cyprian had said Least those few naughty fellowes may thinke the Bishops of Africke haue lesse Authority than is that which they Appeale vnto and their Appeale was to the Bishop of Rome So apparant it is that Cyprian thus twitting those Few desperate
stile of Law For the very word Competit in the stile of the Iudiciall Court signifieth one that is Sufficient as Iudex competens vsed by Vlpian A Competent Iudge and not onely a Conuenient Iudge And for the strict sense of the word in the point of Appeale we may iustly Appeale to all Courts to Christendome whether Ecclesiasticall or Ciuill which may challenge any Right of Appeale Because if for example the Iudge of the Audience or Arches should answer an Appellant Sir the matter hath beene iudged by the Court of York and I know the Chancellor there to be a learned and a iust man therefore to vse your Cardinalls phrase It cannot be â—onuenient for mee to iudge that which hath receiued a former iudgement might not the Appellant reioyne What Sir Not conuenient for you to receiue an Appeale Why you are therefore appointed Iudge in Cases of Appeale yea and sworne to discharge your Office of Iudgement and not to preiudice any Cause by saying you see no cause to admit it before you haue heard it For bee you assured that I shall either shew iust proofe of iniustice offered vnto me by my former Iudge or else I must submit my selfe to the Censure of your Court Such an incongruity and absurdity it is to modifie the word Competere with the bare sense of Conueniency as though it were not Conuenient for one to performe that which hee is bound in Conscience to discharge Wee therefore contend for the strict sense of Non Competere that is to say Not appertaining in the Sentence of Pope Damasus as may furthermore appeare clearely by the Sentence it selfe wherein Damasus will haue the man vnderstand Two things One is Forma iudicandi non competit The Forme of iudging doth not belong vnto me hee saith not Causa iudicandi non competit The Cause of iudging belongeth not vnto me But you know that no true Court of Appeale can say that it hath not a Forme of iudging the Second is the Cause why he said Non competit to wit because the Cause had beene iudged by a Prouinciall Synod as by those who were Finitimi Neere to the parties as well Accusers as Accused as if he had taken his reason from the very Decree of the Councell of Carthage set downe by Saint Cyprian whereof you haue heard at large calling it Vnequall and Vniust that a Cause should bee iudged in Remote Courts where the parties cannot appeare but especially that any one Iudge should take vpon him to re-iudge that which was preiudged by a Prouinciall Councell Otherwise how easie a matter had it beene for the man that tendered his Appeale to haue pushed the Popes Answer away with the hornes of a Dilemma thus Eitheir haue you a Right of iudging in this Case of Appeales after a Prouinciall Councell or you haue not If you haue then do me right and iustice to heare it If you haue not then it is but a false Delusion in men to Attribute to the See of Rome an Vniuersall power of iudging all Iudges as being the Supreme Monarch ouer all Bishops and their Prouinciall Counsells Damasus therefore in this Answering to wit The forme of Iudging Non potest nobis competere did meane that he could not in such a Cause be held a Competent sufficient or lawfull Iudge Behold now your Vniuersall Iudge behold your Monarch controlled and confuted out of the mouth of your Iudge himselfe Our Fifth Discouery of the Falshood of your Pretence of Vniuersall Right of Appeales to Rome from the Councell of Mileuis SECT 19. IN the yere of Christ 416 Threescore Bishops in a Councell at Mileuis where Saint Augustine was present decreed in the words following If Priests or Deacons or Inferior Clerkes shall haue complaint against their Bishops let their next bordering Bishops heare their Cause and determine it but if they shall Appeale from those Bishops yet let them not Appeale any whither but to an African Councell or to the Primates of the Prouinces wherein they are And whosoeuer shall thinke he may Appeale beyond the Seas let none within Africke admit him into their Communion Two points are considerable in this Inhibition of Appeales First concerneth the Place the Second the Persons Touching the Place it is at length granted by your great Aduocate in this Cause to wit that by those words If any Appeale beyond the Sea let none in Africke admit him into his communion is forbidden Appeales vnto Rome Where by the way is to bee taxed â—he impudencie of your Gratian who whereas the Canon was made purposely against Appeales to Rome yet shamed he not to add to that Canon of himselfe this exception Except the Appeale be made to the Apostolike See of Rome Which is in Musicke Discantus contra punctum and in your Law Statuimus i. e. Abrogamus But thus much being granted how is not this a prohibition against your pretended Right of Appeales to Rome Satisfie this point or else yeeld the Cause Although saith your Cardinall the Councell prohibited and forbad that Priests and inferior Clerkes should Appeale to the Bishop of Rome yet did they not forbid that the Pope of Rome should admit of Appeales made vnto him nor had they any power or authority so to doe So he This being the onely Answer which after his perusall of all other Answers hee thought to haue any colour of satisfaction in we take it to be in effect the losse of the cause For our Question is whether the Bishop of Rome haue a sole and Soueraigne Right ouer the whole Church of Christ to iudge all Causes by his absolute Prerogatiue of Popedome And an Appeale being A remouing of a Cause from an inferior Iudge to a Superior we reply that where there lieth a Prohibition against Appealing to a Iudge that Iudge is not held a Superior Iudge But this Councell granted a Prohibition against the Appealing of Priests within Africke vnto the Pope of Rome therefore was not the Pope of Rome in this Case of Priests held a Superiour Iudge much lesse the Supreme of all others as you pretend And although that Councel could not forbid the Pope who was in a Transmarine Prouince to admit of such Appeales yet in forbidding the Appeales vnto the Pope they thereby denyed that he had lawfull power to receiue them As heere in England the prohibiting of euery person to Appeale vnto any without the Kings Dominions doth by vndenyable Consequence shew that none without the Kings Dominions hath iust power to admit of any such Appellants How victorious then is Truth in this one Cause which by the euidence thereof haâ—h inforced her aduersary by necessary Sequele thus farre to professe it Which Answer of his notwithstanding hee would gladly patch vp with an Addition of a meere falshood saying Pope Zozimus did command this Canon of the non-Appeales of Priests to be confirmed False for Pope Zozimus is knowne by the whole processe of the
Pope that They had no license to treat of such matters Yea and their Emperour Palaeologus that was so earnest to piece them together was himselfe but hardly welcomed home to the Greeke Church which was now much more exasperated against the Romane Church insomuch that as you say They did now Pronounce their Patriarch of Constantinople the Supreme and Chiefe of all Bishops Thus farre therefore haue you confessed the no-Subiection of the Greeke Church from the first foure hundred yeeres vnto the yeere 1549 which make vp 1149 yeeres Yet are we not content with this short reckoning but rather hearken vnto your Iesuite Maldonate and Prateolus the first The Greekes saith he alwaies enuied and disliked the supreme dignity of the Pope The other thus And they were good words good friend so rebelliously aduerse to the Church of Rome that they neuer would obey his Decrees So they This is enough to shew the Vniuersall freedome they still challenged from the Dominion and Iurisdiction of Rome II. The Dis-vnion and Separation of the Latter Greeke Church from Rome SECT 3. THe No-Subiection doth not alwaies argue necessarily a Dis-vnion of Separation for the King of France and King of Spaine are vnited in league albeit neither of them subiect to other but then onely when-as Subiection is due as it is seene in all Cases of Rebellion Now this Dis-vnion in Churches is most commonly either in Faith or in Affection What kinde of Separation hath beene a long time between the Greek and Latine Church we neede not tell you your owne Complaints and cries are loud enough against them The Greekes say you hold the Pope of Rome and all Latines vnder him to be Excommunicate Yea and So farre forth doe they abhorre the Church of Rome as your Lateran Councell at Rome noteth that if the Priests of the Romane Church shall chance to celebrate vpon any of their Altars they themselues would not celebrate vpon the same Altars before they had washed them as thinking them polluted by the others sacrificing Nay and furthermore they Rebaptize them that had bin baptized in the Church of Rome Will you know one maine reason of this the Greeke Opposition Harken then to Nilus the Greeke Arch-Bishop of Thessalonica The Latines saith hee giue vs cause to dissent from them whiles that they take vpon them to be Masters of the Church and vse as if wee were but their Schollers Contrarie to the Decrees of ancient Fathers which are extant in their writings at this day And the Latines affirme that it is the office of their Popes to call Synods and to determine of all matters Ecclesiasticall which if it be true then to what end were the assemblies of holy Fathers in former Councels these were all but superfluous So he But yet shall wee thinke that there can be so great distance betweene the Greeke Church and Protestants as to Excommunicate them or to Rebaptize any of their Profession Certes no. For Anno 1584. Ieremias Patriarke of Constantinople in his Answer to the Protestants of Wittenberge did thus farre congratulate with them saying Wee giue thankes to God the giuer of grace and reioyce with many Others that your Doctrine is in many things so consonant vnto the Doctrine of our Church And it is not long since the most Reuerend Father in God GEORGE by the Diuine Prouidence Lord Arch-Bishop of Canterburie Primate and Metropolitan of all England receiued Letters from the Greeke Patriarke of Alexandria instiling himselfe Cyrill by the Mercie of God Pope and Patriarke of the great Citie Alexandria commending one of his Monkes called Metrophanes Chrysopulus vnto the said Lord Arch Bishop of Canterburie that vnder his Patronage he â—hough otherwise learned might be exercised in our Vniuersities of England and instituted in the Rudiments of our Profession Who purposely auoiding the Romish Sect did daily frequent the publike Seruice of our Church euen as other Graecians in their trauels through England willingly vse to doe Which may iustly confute the fabulous report of Baronius concerning a late Reconciliation of the Church of Alexandria to the See of Rome And you haue no doubt heard of the Epistle to the Patriarke of Constantinople vnto the Protestant Church at Prague in Bohemia 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is Wherefore louing Brethren and Children if it be so as wee heare and hope make haste that wee may ioyne together in Vnitie So then the Graecians seeme to be as accordant with Protestants in Communion as they are dissenting from you Romans III. The Estimation which is to be had of the Greeke Church in respest of their Religion SECT 4. OVr next Question will be whether in your owne Estimation the Greeke Ghurch be worthy of Christian Communion or no. The greatest exception that some of you haue taken against them is the deniall of the Article touching the Procession of the Holy Ghost from the Sonne But another Iesuite and Cardinall will free them from the crime of Haeresie in this point The vnderstanding Greekes saith hee saying that the Holy Ghost proceedeth by the Sonne signifie thereby nothing but that which wee our selues professe So hee And indeede Faith consisteth not in the outward Syllables but in the true meaning of an Article Another Iesuite saith The Graecians are properly called Schismatikes by being dis-united from the Church meaning of Rome albeit they also become Haeretikes by denying Vnion with the Head Others doe more fauourably say that The Graecians are to be iudged Schismatikes because they withdraw themselues from the Iurisdiction of the Pope of Rome but not Haeretikes because they agree in the aforesaid Articles of Faith IV. The Extent of the Greeke Church Opposite vnto Rome as well in respect of Time as of Place SECT 5. IF you enquire into the length of Time since the Greeks haue denyed Subiection to the Church of Rome this as you haue heard confessed hath bene Alwaies If how long they haue denyed Vnion also with the same Church this is as hath bene likewise confessed about 200. yeares agoe If lastly you seeke to know the Latitude of the Greeke Church whereby you may the better guesse at their number A faithfull Seruant of God and one excellently studied in this Argument of Diuersities of Religions hath deliuered vnto vs the iust extent thereof obseruing that the Grecians acknowledge Obedience vnto the Patriarch of Constantinople vnder whose Iurisdiction are in Asia the Churches of Greece Macedonia Epirus Thracia Bulgaria Podolia Moscouia Walachia Russia together with the Ilands of the Aegean Sea a good part of Polonia Dalmatia and Croatia Countries subiect to the Turke Grecians dispersed in all these Countries together with other Greeke Churches deny the Primacy of Rome Besides the same Author addeth that the Melchytes are of the same Religion of the Grecians and the greatest Sect of Christians in the East and after a iust view taken of the number
world But your Church of Rome onely diuideth it selfe peremptorily from the Communion of all other such Christian Churches Ergo it is the most Schismaticall of all other Herein plainely like to Ismael whose hand was against euerie man and euery man 's against him Vntill you shall be able to answer this Argument you are bound to forbeare the obiecting to any Church Christian Schisme from the Catholike Church and consequently Separation from Saluation in Christ. When wee talke of a Schismaticall Church we may not let passe the recognition of the manifold ruptures and Schismes of the Romane Church in her owne wombe where wee haue seen not Iacob and Esau strugling for birth-right each with other onely but as it were a rough Esau sometimes of Two or rather a Cerberus and Hydra sometimes of Three heads striuing one against another for the prerogatiue of Popedome euen for the space of fortie or fiftie yeares together Sometimes the pretended Head the Pope fighting with his whole Body Representatiue in a Councell for the right of Supreame iudgement as you haue heard In a word shee hath almost at all times beene so presumptuous by Excommunicating Primitiue Successiue and Moderne Churches which were not subordinate vnto her and so often distracted in her selfe as if all the Waters of Marah for so we may call Schisme had exonerated and emptied themselues into the Romane See Thus much of the second Part by Comparing the Church of Rome with Remote Churches The Third Part of this DETERMINATION concerneth the Departure of Protestant Churches from Rome occasioned by MARTIN LVTHER SECT 13. HEre wee enter into the maine question of Luther his departure from Rome which hath occasioned your impetuous and clamorous out-cries against him as against an vnpardonable and damnable Schismatike and thereupon in all your Conferences and Disputes you exact of Protestants an Answer to your popular Octiections as of What Where was Then Your Church Who were Your Professours What were Their Names and What is become of Your Ancestors with the like Wee now desire you but to haue so much patience till we collect our diuerse Theses and in the end you will finde we hope that vpon a full Reckoning we shall be indebted vnto you iust nothing at all THESIS I. LVTHER was vniustly Excommunicated out of the Romane Church SECT 14. IF the odiousnesse of the very name of Luther among you haue not engendred so obstinate a preiudice in you as not willingly to heare or trie the iustice of his Cause then are we without all doubt perswaded that you your selues will iustifie his Departure out of the Church of Rome Not to spend time Luther his Excommunication by Pope Leo must haue beene either for Manners or Doctrine but it was not for any exorbitancy in his life Who as is testified of him was accounted a good man euen of his very Enemies Which kinde of Certificate is the most exact approbation of all others as Moses shewed when he made this kinde of Appeale saying Our Enemies being Iudges By which it may appeare what difference of Enemies the Church of Rome hath hatched whose Professors in the dayes of Luther himselfe were so ingenuous as to esteeme him a Godly man Since when haue risen vp spirits of a lying malignancie that haue blurred and bespotted his life with all the reproachfull Notes of monstrous infamy as if hee had had Familiarity with the Diuell and was a Wine-bibber But The Seruant is not better than his Master saith our Sauiour Christ to his owne Disciples If therefore the Irreligious haue called Christ himselfe familiar with Beelzebub and a Friend to Publicanes and Sinners were they Drunkards or the like what Christian must pleade exemption from the virulencie of venemous mouthes But why doe wee busie our selues with Impertinencie wee proceed to his Doctrine concerning which we are to enquire into the principall Cause of his Excommunication The First and principall Cause of Luther's Opposition against the Pope of Rome without which he had not beene Excommunicated was the point of Papall Indulgences wherein he condemned the iniquitie of the Popes practise and the falshood and impietie of his Doctrine herein as will be testified by a cloud of witnesses First is the Iniquity and iniurie done in the dayes of Luther by the craft of Papall Indulgences howbeit at the First hearing of this Accusation your Cardinall waxing somewhat cholericke steppeth forth desirous as a feed-man to be heard speake in the Pope his Masters behalfe and calleth it A Calumnie of Luther and such like Nouellists to say that the Popes heape vp riches by the art of Indulgences So hee Oh the forehead of some kinde of men to denie that which the Germane Nation at and before the dayes of Luther cried out vpon As being a burthen intollerable wherewith the Popes vnder the colour of pietie extract the very marrow of moneys out of mens purses Whereof your Fathers of the Councell of Trent tooke notice to wit that the Popes Officers in collecting money for Indulgences gaue a Scandall to all faithfull Christians which might seeme to be without all hope of Remedie And which your Venetian Doctor will haue you to obserue to haue beene the First Cause of Luther his Opposition It is now euident to all men saith hee and Histories on all sides write hereof that the Separation made an hundred yeares agoe by the Protestants in Germanie arose from the vnlawfull Exactions and the immoderate grants of Indulgences This then was the first point in the matter of Romish Indulgences which moued Luther to preach against them euen the Iniquitie of the practice thereof The Second point is the Falshood of the Doctrine of Indulgences whereof your Cardinall testifieth saying The first Cause of Luther's diuiding himselfe from Rome was the Popes pronouncing Him an Heretike for inueighing against Indulgences So hee And for that his gain-saying the Doctrine of Indulgences saith Polydore the Popes Proctors conueied the name of Luther to Rome where hee is accused and because hee appeared not at the day hee was declared an Heretike So hee Now then according to the stile of all Iudiciall Courts let vs first heare the Accusation and then allow vnto him to Answer for himselfe His Accusation is laid downe in Pope Leo's Bull against him This Luther maintaineth as a thing most certaine that it is not in the power of the Church to appoint new Articles of Faith This was his Crime now heare his answer I saith Luther haue plainly protested that if they would not haue constrained me to allow of their impious and blasphemous Articles I should haue defended a great part of their Episcopall Iurisdiction but needes would they compell vs to approue of their Satanicall lies and therefâ—re disdainfully despised mee for blowing away for indeede they were but bubbles the Popes Bulls and Indulgences So Luther What hath Luther said in all this which
bodie of your Church how then to speake onely from your owne Confessions hath growne the opinion of the foresaid Necessity of the Administration of the of the Eucharist vnto Infants not onely with no Opposition but euen with the great approbation of your Popes how your Custome of Communicating but in one kinde whereof you your selues grant a Non constat or Ignoramus when it first began Whereas for a Thousand yeeres cantinuance the Contrarie was held as you know in the Catholike Church yea and in the Romane Church it selfe Or how will you answer for the Corruption of your Romane Worship whereof wee haue your Fathers in the Councell of Trent decreeing that Because many Corruptions haue crept into the celebration of the Romane Masse either by the errour of the time or negligence and improbity of men therefore an order must bee taken to purge them So They. Are not diseases diseases because we can but coniecture the first Cause or time of their being The former Confession of your Professor and Iesuite before pointed at now set downe at large wil giue vs the vpshot Some Traditions saith he are perpetual in time euen from the beginning of the Church Others are onely temporall the beginning whereof may be knowne somtimes positiuely what time they began and sometimes onely negatiuely by being able to shew what time neere the beginning of the Church such a custome or doctrine had no being though afterwards it was inuented Whereby it may be iustly collected that such a Tradition had it's beginning after the Apostles albeit the certaine and determinate time in which it began be not knowne Which Tradition because it is not vniuersall in time it cannot beget any Catholike beleefe So he euen such an He whom your Romane Church esteemeth for the most eminent general both Doctor and Proctor of her Cause at this day By which Sentence are auoided both your former Obiections of the Necessity of giuing of Names of Authors before Luther and of demonstrating the Time Persons and Place of the beginning of Errors in the Church As also there is reached vnto Protestants a strong engine to the vtter ouerthrowe of your now Romane Creed consisting of more then 12. new Articles concerning Worshipping of Images Purgatory Indulgences and the like which can neuer be shewed to haue sprung in the ages af Antiquity bordering on the Apostles time and therfore according to this former true and necessary Rule set downe by your Iesuite can beget no Catholike Beleefe THESIS VIII Your last Obiection of Continuall and Personall Succession in all Ages is frustrate SECT 21. LEst that Succession and not Succession may seeme to alter the Case because the Romane Church is by Personall Succession of Catholike Pastors the Protestant Church is by Secession and Departure whereas true Succession doth manifest a true Church euen as no true Succession doth notifie a false Church as you vse to say you need doe no more but cast your eyes vpon your owne Historians who reporting the great deluge of that horrible Heresie of the Arrians declare that in the most Churches Christian â—he true and Orthodoxe Bishops were remoued out of their Bishopricks and cast into Banishment As for example the Chiefe Patriarks Liberius out of Rome Athanasius out of Alexandria Paulus out of Constantinople c. Againe the Wheele of God's prouidence turning backwards the Arian Heretikes lost their Bishopricks and Patriarkships the Orthodoxe and Catholike Professors succeeding in their places We demand will you then indeed say that Succession in place is absolutely an affirmatiue Note of a true Church How then shall those Churches bee iudged Hereticall wherein Arians immediately succeeded Catholikes Or is not Succession negatiuely a Note of no true Church How then were not the Churches false wherein Catholikes immediately succeeded Heretikes So then if you pronounce any Church true by the Succession of Persons onely you doe but waste your winde if by the Succession of Doctrine then Luther's doctrine being truly Apostolicall his Church cannot be but truly Catholike The Fourth and last part of this DETERMINATION concerneth the state of the Churches of Protestants after the daies of Luther and their more iust Cause of Continuing this Separation from Rome SECT 22. WHy should we not thinke that after our iustification of the first Departure of Protestants from the Church of Rome you should expect some Addition for the Defence of our Continuance of that Separation lest otherwise some might surmize that now sure the Councell of Trent pretending a Generall reformation of all Abuses the Protestants might haue iuster Cause to re-unite themselues to the Church of Rome THESIS I. Protestants are Generally Excommunicated by the Church of Rome SECT 23. YOur Pope of Rome doth by his Bulls yearely bellow out his Excommumications Anathematismes or Curses by name against all Lutherans Caluinists Hugonots and all Protestants together with all their Defenders Fauourers Receiuers Readers of their Bookes without speceall Licence whosoeuer they be THESIS II. Protestants are Vniustly Excommunicated SECT 24. ALl the Causes for which Scripture hath authorized a Departure from any visible Church do accordingly iustifie our Separation from the Church of Rome I. Falshood by Creation of a new Creede consisting of so many Articles II. To a false Faith is ioyned false Worship by Idolatrie not onely by the vulgar in Worshipping of Relikes Images and Saints Idolatrously as is witnessed by your selues but also generally by the Adoration of your Romish Moloch in the Masse Wherein that which after Consecration you adore take it at the best is but a Christ as you teach voide of all sence naturall power of motion and facultie of vnderstanding Which Doctrine touching the glorified body of Christ Wee thinke to be Blasphemous Take it as it may possibly be and then by your owne generall Confession in all probabilitie Fiue hundred to one after Consecration the thing you adore is but Bread still which is a possible yea and as you your selues tearme it a materiall Idolatrie And take it as we are ready to proue to wit that it is infallibly still euen after Consecration the substance of Bread and consequently your Adoration is really necessarily and formally Idolatrous All these points are to be fully prooued in a Treatise to be intituled CHRIST HIS MASSE which in due time may salute you in like manner as this doth if God permit III. To Heresie and Idolatrie your Church ioyneth Obstinacie not that wee can denie but that the Fathers of the Councell of Trent decreed A safe Conduct and full securitie to all Protestants in Germanie to come to that Councell and according to the tenure of that same Decree To propound whether by word or writing what Articles they would and with free libertie to dispute thereof So they And was not this a Fatherly Consideration shall Wee thinke but your Thuanus will tell you of diuerse Protestants that came to
That which we now contend for in the Popes of Rome may be cleared by an example of him that is called Emperour of Rome who because hee hath neither a foot of possession in Rome nor in the Territories thereof nor yet any professed Subiect inhabiting therein but the whole Princedome is belonging to the Pope your owne Diuines hold it a kinde of Soloecisme to name any at this day The Romane Emperour Therefore to alleadge a few of many that may be produced Lyra The Empire of Rome saith he hath for a long time beene without an Emperour Faber What obedience I pray you saith he doth Rome yeeld to her Monarch meaning the Emperour So to Now saith he is that temporall Dominion of the Citie of Rome ceased and your Iesuite Salmeron The Romane Emperour saith hee was ouerthrowne long agoe II. CHALLENGE THe Romish Babylon then by the Reuelation of Saint Iohn is that Citie of Rome whose place and people must be destroyed No people can be called Romane without they haue relation to Rome nor any people called The Church of Rome except they be Professors of the faith in Rome Therefore Saint Iohn prophecying of these things could not but beleeue that before the end of the world that Church which is now called The Church of Rome shall depart from the faith euen because this Departure must be from the sincere doctrine and worship of God vnto errour and Idolatrie Oh! that this were not at this day a iust Cause to challenge euery one to Come out of Babylon Both which we shall be ready in due time to proue by as true grounds as any haue hitherto beene deliuered That Saint Iohn's faith did not conceiue the now pretended Monarchie of the Pope aboue all other Bishops and Pastors in the Catholike Church SECT 16. WHat that Papall Monarchie is in your faith and how it is deriued we haue heard namely that because Saint Peter was the Vicar of Christ vpon earth as his ordinary Pastor ouer all the other Apostles therefore the Successors of Saint Peter in the same See are of the same authoritie and Iurisdiction ouer the whole Church of Christ and euery member thereof Hence issueth the Article of your now Romane faith that Without obedience and subiection to the Pope as the Catholike Bishop of the Catholike Church None can be saued The meditation vpon this Article begetteth a Probleme viz. whether Saint Iohn the Euangelist who liued 20. yeares after Saint Peter were indeede subordinate and subiect to the Iurisdiction of Linus or Cletus the immediate Successours of Saint Peter Either Saint Iohn was subiect to the Pope or he was not What say you It seemeth vnto mee saith your Iesuite that the Apostles who suruiued Peter were subiect to the Pope because the power of the Pope was alwayes ordinary and to continue in the Church Haue you any ground for this I cannot remember saith hee that I haue read in any Author any thing of this point So he CHALLENGE SAint Paul as hath beene proued reckoned these Three Peter Iames and Iohn equally Columnas that is The Pillars and as it were equally the three Chiefe Worthies among the Disciples who concerning the offices of their Apostleship receiued from Christ as your Cardinall Cusanus hath taught you Euery way an equall charge And without Controuersie the faith of Iohn and Paul was both the same Is it then possible for a Christian man to thinke that Iohn being that Apostle who was immediately chosen by Christ and equall to Peter should thinke himselfe subiect to Linus the Successour of Peter that he who for his sublimitie of knowledge in the mysteries of Christ was called The Diuine who was made the Pen-man of the holy Ghost in writing the Gospell and one for whose infallibility in the truth Christ offered vp praiers to his Father ought hee now to submit his iudgement vnto Linus one of the line of those Popes whereof Some haue beene by Generall Councels and by Popes themselues iudged for Heretikes And againe that Iohn who at the time of the Supper of our Lord leaned vpon the brest of our Sauiour when Peter you know was but next after Iohn should now prostrate himselfe before Linus the Successor of Peter and if this Ceremonie had beene so old to doe him the honour as to Kisse his feet And not this onely but to beleeue this Article of due Subiection to the Pope Without which none can be saued which indeede is more than to Kisse the feet or to licke the dust of the feet of Saint Peter's Successor Sure we are that the Disciples of Saint Iohn to wit the Christians of the Easterne Church were not of your beliefe who to adhere to the orders of Saint Iohn refused to obserue the Easter of the Latine Church which they would not haue done if they had beleeued Saint Iohn to haue beene subiect to those Romane Bishops or yet to Peter himselfe Before we can conclude you are to be exhorted to obserue the Iesuiticall front of Suarez who in a matter of this nature concerning Saluation durst make this Conclusion of the Apostles Subiection and subordination vnder a Pope namely as you haue heard him confesse without any Author besides himselfe Whereby you may discerne with what vntempered morter these men daube vp the Consciences of their Followers CHAP. V. That the Catholike and Apostolike Church of Christ it selfe at or about the Time of the foundation of the Church of Rome had no such Article of faith viz. The Catholike Romane Church without vnion wherewith there is no Saluation SECT 1. THe Churches vnto which Saint Paul writ for we name not the Romanes of whom wee haue intreated before were the Corinthians Galatians Ephesians Philippians Thessalonians and the dispersed Hebrewes As for the other Apostles Iames Peter Iohn Iude each one writ to Diuers those their Epistles which are intitled Catholike Epistles And the seauen Churches of Asia were they to whom the booke of the Apoealips or Reuelation was directed Among these the Apostles are instant and vrgent in inueying 1 against the Heresies of Iudaisme Saducisme of worshipping Angels 2 Against Apostasie and Antichristianitie 3 Against Diuisions and Schismes in the Church and abuse of Ecclesiasticall Orders therein And yet in all these there appeareth not any one Syllable or Iota to proue your Article of The Catholike Romane Church without vnion and subiection whereunto and to the Head thereof there is no saluation No nor yet so much as to intimate any one of the particles of this Article as first not to signifie that the Church of Rome was a Catholike much lesse THE Catholike Church as being in right which you say The Mother and Mistris of all others Not to note that in the conuincing of Heretikes Christians ought to looke as to their Cynosura to the Faith of the Romane Church nor that for the discouering
you and such is your now Romane Faith But the Fathers of the Generall Councell of Chalcedon were of a contrary beleefe because their reason of withstanding the Pope was as you know For that they held that the See of Rome was founded by humane authority Thinking that the Church of Rome got the Primacie namely of Order by reason onely that it was the chiefe Imperiall Seate So you We haue heard of Oppositions enough Gladly would we vnderstand how you can reconcile these oddes so that wee may not iustly condemne your now Romane Faith of Nouelty by the iudgement of a Generall Councell This was indeed say you the Decree of a great Councell but the Decree was not lawfully proceeded in because the Legates of the Pope were absent and afterwards protested against it And Pope Leo himselfe would not approue it saying that hee did allow onely those Decrees and Canons in that Synod which concerned matters of Faith So you And now vpon this Euidence heare our Verdict CHALLENGE IN these Premisses we finde a Councell in your owne opinion and in the Iudgement of the Christian World lawfull and Generall consisting of more than 400 Fathers without exception Catholike and Orthodoxe These haue opposed your Article of the Necessity of Subiection to the Pope razing the very foundation thereof by beleeuing that his Primacie is not by diuine Authority Vpon this beleefe they easily cast downe the roofe of your Papall building denying the Popes power of gaine-saying the Positiue and humane Decrees and Canons of Generall Councels and by erecting a Patriarch whom They adorne with a Priuilege of power excepting priority of Order in taking place giuing voice c. Equall to the Bishop of Rome What is if this bee not to ruinate your Romane Article Yet much more stand you entangled in your owne Answers For if that so many and so Reuerend Fathers determined against the pretended Prerogatiue of Rome notwithstanding the Contrarie protestation of the Popes Legates they teach vs thereby another crosse point to your Article viz. that the voice of the Pope by his Legates is of no more virtue in a Synod than the suffrage of any other Bishop And what though the Legates of the Pope were absent at the making of this Act in the Councell because they would not bee present and were notwithstanding present the next day and disclaimed the Act yet could nothing preuaile And againe what was the nullity of authority in the Popes Legates whensoeuer they contended against the Maior part of a Synod But Pope Leo say you gainesaid the former Decree of that Councell albeit he did approue of all Canons in the same so farre as concerned marters of Faith This Answer also proueth you faithlesse in all your defence euen by the iudgement of Pope Leo. For if he therefore opposed the Decree of that Synod which oppugneth the Papall Primacie and Dominion because it was no matter of Faith he thereby plainely confesseth your Article which maintaineth the Dominion of the Romane Church without which there is no saluation not to be at all an Article of Faith We conclude Therefore either must those 430 godly most Reuerend Fathers together with Leo the Pope himselfe be damned by your Romane Article or else must your Article be condemned by their contrarie iudgement and Decree Which notwithstanding the Popes Contradiction was afterwards sufficiently confirmed in other parts of Christendome by the vse thereof which as you confesse Continued a long time So large and long a false-hood is that which your Article of Necessary Subiection to Rome doth exact of the whole Church of Christ. V. That the beleefe of the Article of an Vniuersall Subiection to Rome as the Catholike Church damneth the 165 Fathers of the first Generall Councell at Constantinople being the second of that name Anno 553. SECT 6. LEt your owne most priuileged albeit most partial Authors Baronius Binius relate the whole Cause 1. Concerning the authority of this Councell whether it deserue the Title of Vniuersall Councell or no They answer that It was a General Councell and so approued by all Popes Predecessors and Successors to Saint Gregory and by himselfe saying I doe reuerence the fift Councell of Constantinople Now come we to the relation of the Cause First of Pope Agapetus The cause of Anthimius which he had condemned was afterwards ventilated in the Councell of Constantinople This argueth the No-Dominion of the Pope ouer that Councell which will take vpon them to examine that cause which the Pope had before condemned After Agapetus succeedeth Vigilius At what time In the Councell of Constantinople that which they called Tria Capitula was condemned The summe of their Answer is this Pope Vigilius before this Generall Councell of Constantinople defended the Cause of the Tria Capitula which the Councell being gathered together condemned The Pope resisted the Decree of the Councell the Councell endeth Pope Vigilius for not consenting to this Councell is banished by the Emperour Iustinian After that this Councell had so concluded Vigilius confirmed the sentence of the Councell of Constantinople and was thereupon released out of Banishment by the Emperour In all this say you the Popes change of his minde cannot be preiudiciall to him or his See for that the cause being no matter of Faith but onely of Persons he did it vpon iust reason least the East Church and the the West should fall into Schisme and be rent in sunder Thus farre your Authors CHALLENGE BE the Cause matter of Faith or onely of Fact or Persons it mattereth not nor to what end it was done Wee are not to inquire into the doctrines but the dispositions of this Councell nor to respect the point of Vnion of Churches but that which you haue created for a new Article of Faith the point of Necessary subiection to the Romane Church and Bishop thereof First by your owne Confession the Pope defendeth that which afterward the Councell gain-sayeth Next the Pope contradicteth the Decree of the Councell to wit of the same Councell determinately concluding and persisting in their Sentence against the same Pope euen to his Banishment for the same Cause Yet in the end he is glad for Vnions sake to yield vnto the former Decree of the Councel So They who in their Annotations conceale that which the Text expressely deliuereth We condemne say they all that haue defended Tria Capitula But Vigilius say you had before this Councell defended those Tria Capitula Therefore was your Pope also condemned by this Councell Behold now forsooth your Romane Faith Behold your Monarch Behold his Dominion Behold the necessary Subiection of his Subiects If it be called Dominion to Command and be glad to yeeld or accounted Subiection of that Councell to prescribe Decrees against the sentence of your Pope or esteemed Faith of your Article of Necessary subiection to the Romane Church vpon losse of Saluation to persist in
dissenting from the Pope and his Apostolicall See in this whole Cause and not thus onely but in condemning him also It must therefore follow that these 165 Bishops of this Generall Councell and the Catholike Church in them not onely in not beleeuing this Article but also in withstanding it were damned or elâ—e that your Article and the defenders thereof are iustly damnable Consider we pray you in what a snare of Heresie and Blasphemie you are intangled seeing that you cannot but see that your owne Article viz. The Catholike Romane Church without subiection whereunto there is no saluation is Contradicted by the truely Catholike Church it selfe in her purer and more primitiue age of the first 500 yeeres by those fiue Generall Councels the first fower whereof Saint Gregory himselfe professed To imbrace as the bookeâ— of the Gospell And the Fift saith he I also reuerence Idle therefore and vaine is your Obiection out of that Synod from one word Obedience which they professed to the Catholike See by not discerning betweene a Logicall and a Morall Obedience For they promised Obedience to that See in all her Orthodoxe and reasonable Perswasions but not to her peremptory Commands and Conclusions For you may Obey Saint Augustine by subscribing to his iudgement without submitting to his Iurisdiction If you know not this then may you learne ìt namely that a Superior may be said to obey his Inferior when he yeeldeth to his reasonable perswasion As a sicke man to the Physitian VI. That the beleefe of the Article viz. The Catholike Romane Church without subiection whereunto there is no saluation doth damne all the Fathers of the Sixt Seuenth and Eighth Councels in your owne estimation Generall SECT 7. THese three Councels which you call Generall and which doe containe aboue the compasse of 300 yeeres more giue vs iust Cause to iudge this your Romane Article to bee Imposterous Wee instance first in the first Two The Sixt and Seuenth Councels in the Cause of Pope Honorìus condemning him for an Heretike THe Sixt vniuersall Synod saith your Cardinall was in the yeere 681 or according to others 685 Celebrated at Constantinople by 289 Bishops The Seuenth Vniuersall Councell was held at Nice in the yeere 781 wherin were 350 Bishops So he Well in both these was Honorius Pope of Rome condemned for an Heretike How will you free your Pope from being a Monothelite Namely The Fathers of both these Generall Councels say you were deceiued as they might easily be in a matter of Fact to iudge whether Honorius were a Monothelite not in a matter of Faith So your Cardinall Is it a matter of Fact then and were these Fathers deceiued therein Who can say so Why Cardinall Bellarmine doth affirme it Good God! The rare modestie of this man who wil haue vs to beleeue that one Bellarmine liuing now a 1000 yeeres since that matter was in agitation should iudge better by his Coniectures of the Circumstances of a matter of Fact than could 639 Bishops for so many there were in all in their publike Synods iam flagrante crimine when-as yet the Cause was fresh and greene their Witnesses liuing and all Circumstances which are the perfect Intelligencers visibly before their eyes This Condemnation of Pope Honorius by two Councels doth vndermine the Fox-hole wherein your great Clerkes commonly lurke by telling vs that Popes may be Heretikes as Priuate Doctors but not in their publike Persons as Popes An Answer most friuolous 1. Because those Bishops condemning Him in their publike Councell did iudge him according to his publike person 2. Because they Condemned Honorius Bishop of Rome in the same tenor wherein vpon the same Heresie they condemned Sergius Bishop of Constantinople Anathematizing them both for their Heresie of Monothelitisme It would much better haue become your Cardinall to haue Confessed in the spirit of Ingenuitie as your Canus hath done that Howsoeuer other Popes may be excused from Heresie yet I see not saith he how Honorius can be vindicated and freed from this guilt whom Psellus Tharasius Epiphanius Beda whom Adrian and Agatho both Popes whom the seauenth he might haue also alleaged the VI. Generall Councell hath branded with the Note of Haeresie So he CHALLENGE CALL this as you do but a matter of Fact if you will which caused those Councels to condemne Pope Honorius for an Heretike after his death yet doth this plainely and ineuitably tell vs that they were of this beliefe that the Pope of Rome may be an Heretike and that They who would excommunicate that Bishop of Rome being dead would not haue Communicated with him if persisting an Heretike he had beene aliue no more than they would with his fellow Heretike Sergius Bishop of Constantinople And if they would denie vnion with him certainly they would not haue acknowledged spirituall Subiection vnto him Which flatly gain-sayeth your Article of beleeuing The Catholike Romane Church and the Bishop thereof without subiection vnto whom there is no saluation Therefore all those 639. Bishops besides two Popes and all their Beleeuers must necessarily be damned or else your Romish Article as a most execrable Paradox must vtterly be abandoned VII That the Beliefe of the Article viz. The Catholike Romane Church without subiection whereunto there is no Saluation damneth the Eighth Councell which you call Generall consisting of 383. Bishops in the yeare 870. SECT 8. WHat was done in this fourth Synod of Constantinople you may vnderstand from your owne Men. These Bishops saith your Binius condemned a Custome of the Sabboth-fast in Lent then vsed in the Church of Rome and thereupon made they a Canon inhibiting the Church of Rome from keeping that Custome any longer Their words are these Wee will that this Canon be constantly obserued in the Church of Rome Would the Church of Rome swallow and disgest such an hot morsell at this day wee trowe not for This Canon saith your Surius is not receiued because it reprehendeth the Church of Rome the MOTHER-CHVRCH of all other Churches So he CHALLENGE YEa rather it condemneth your presumption in calling the Church of Rome the CATHOLIKE MOTHER-CHVRCH aboue all others As though a Generall Councell were not rather to be called the Catholike Church than Shee So then those 383. Bishops prescribe a Canon and impose it vpon her and thereby sufficiently disclaime all Subiection vnto her as Any albeit but halfe-witted may easily discerne Where againe wee are constrained to iudge your fore-said Article Execrable rather than to giue those 383. Bishops ouer for damned soules Our generall CHALLENGES concerning the formerly cited Eight Generall Councels Remember by this your Article The Catholike Romane Church without subiection whereunto there is no Saluation and without the beliefe whereof none can be saued are damned not onely all those that shall oppose themselues against the Church of Rome but also all they that do not beleeue the same as an Article
and yet notwithstanding were reputed still in the Church of Christ Catholike Bishops and so farre in the Communion of the Church Catholike that many godly Bishops in the Latine Church would not seuer themselues from their Communion Yet Bishop Christopherson that you might beleeue the Excommunication of Pope Victor to be of an vniuersall power extent translateth the Greeke sentence of Eusebius thus Irenaeus exhorted Pope Victor not vtterly to cut off so many Churches from the body of the vniuersall Church of Christ. Which Interpretation if true might seeme to make the Church of Rome the Catholike Church But as it became a sworne Scribe for the Pope he peruerts the Text which is to be rendred thus Irenaeus exhorted Pope Victor not to cut off whole Churches of God without any mention of the Bodie of the Church Ergò it cannot import an Excommunication from the Vniuersall bodie of the Church but onely from the Church of Rome as from a particular member of that vniuersall as hath beene proued What then may be thought of your new Article but as of a barbarous and Antichristian Paradox which separateth from all hope of life all the Christians of the Easterly parts of Asia who In multitude exceeded the Christians of the Greeke and Latine Churches But God be thanked that by the doctrine of those Primitiue times the Excommunication of the Romane Church made no mortall wound for the Asian Bishops esteemed no better of it than of a Brutum Fulmen And if you will suffer vs to bee somewhat more equally minded to Victor Bishop of Rome than you your selues can be we may perswade our selues that hee did not by this his Excommunication intend to shew or arrogate any Iurisdiction ouer the Greeke Churches as Pastor ouer his flocke but onely to denie participation of brotherly Communion with them as they might if they had beene so forward haue dealt with him this being an Act of Diuision Inter Pares which likewise doth conclude the no-absolute Necessitie of Vnion with the Romane Church Our Second Instance is in the Churches of Africke Numidia and Mauritania in the dayes of Saint Cyprian by 87. Bishops in the Councell of Carthage Anno 256. Who notwithstanding the Excommunication of the Pope of Rome were euer held by the Catholike Church the Essentiall members thereof and in state of Saluation SECT 3. WHen the Case of Basilides and Martial was on foot concerning Appeales from the Church of Carthage to Rome and the Quaestion of Rebaptization of those persons that had renounced their Haeresies was in agitation betweene Stephen Bishop of Rome and Cyprian Bishop of Carthage The Church of Africke and others of that Primitiue age gaue so infallible testimonies of denying the Popes Catholike Iurisdiction ouer other Churches and of despising his now pretended Catholike power of Excommunication as may sâ—ffice for the full determination of this whole Cause in confutation of your new Article to wit The Catholike Romane Church without which there is no saluation This Case therefore being so pertinent and pregnant wee will proceede therein methodically I. The full Opposition of Saint Cyprian and other Bishops against Stephen then Bishop of Rome SECT 4. SVch was the Opposition of Saint Cyprian and others against Stephen Bishop of Rome that euen by your owne Confessions Cyprian gathered a Councell of 87. Bishops out of Africke Numidia and Mauritania which concluded contrary to the Pope and his Councell celebrated in Italy Secondly such that Cyprian iudged the same Pope to erre proudly ignorantly and blindly Thirdly such that he impugned the Popes pretended power of Appeales to Rome accompting the Appellants to wit Basilides and Martial Renegados and desperate Delinquents challenging his right of Iudicature for the proceeding against those notoriously wicked Companions who therefore ought to be sent backe againe saith he to be censured by their owne Bishop Fourthly such that this Councell of Carthage did deny to any whomsoeuer the Title of Bishop of Bishops Fiftly such that Cyprian would not acknowledge the name of POPE per Antonomasiam that is By way of Excellency to be proper to the Bishop of Rome as you teach Insomuch that at the instant when as Cyprian was to lay downe his life to Martyrdome for the profession of the holy Faith Being demanded of the Pro-Consull who then had charge to put him to death saying Art thou Hee who shewed thy selfe POPE among the Christians He answered I am Which may be enough to dash that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which you appropriate vnto the Bishop of Rome by the name of Pope Great therefore was the Opposition of Cyprian against Stephen namely Bishop against Bishop Chaire against Chaire Councell against Councell as flat Diameter as possibly might be II. That Saint Cyprian and Others were Excommunicated by Pope Stephen SECT 5. IT were friuolous to stand vpon presumptions when we haue your owne Confessions You grant that at the same time when Saint Cyprian did contend with Stephen Bishop of Rome the same Pope Excommunicated the Easterne Bishops of Cappadocia Cilicia and Galatia for the same cause of Rebaptization Secondly that th' aforesaid Pope Stephen did also as much as lay in him cast off Cyprian insomuch that Hee would not admit vnto his speach them that were sent from Cyprian vnto him Nor this onely but also commanded them that were of his owne profession not to haue any peace or communion with them nor yet to allow them so much as house-roome or lodging Yea and Pope Stephen signified by writing that no Communion was to be held with them that did rebaptize Not to insist vpon the Popes lauish and reproachfull speach in calling Cyprian a Counterfait Christ and a deceitfull worker All which are prooued out of the Epistle of Firmilianus Bishop of Caesara in Cappadocea which almost in euery point doth manifest the Excommunication of Saint Cyprian CHALLENGE FOR what better proofe of the Excommunication of Saint Cyprian and other Bishops of his Fraternity than denying by writing All communion with them that were of the same Opinion with Cyprian and after in Act Forbidding all communion First by speach and conference Secondly by conuersation and company Thirdly by eating or hospitality Each one of these being according to your owne positiue Conclusions a proper Character of that which is called The Greater Excommunication and consequently in your sense a Separation from the Body of the Romane Church III. That Saint Cyprian held not the Excommunication of the Pope to be anâ— valid Separation from the Catholike Church or hazardous to the state of Saluation SECT 6. NOne euer was more Christianly affected to the Catholike Church than was Saint Cyprian nor more firmly belieued that the Vnion with the Catholike Church is necessary to saluation whose profession was this Although a man saith he were slaine for the name of Christ yet if he be without the Vnion of the Church he cannot
Rome and Bishâ—p thereof without subiection whereunto according to your Faith there is no saluation nor can any be saued that doth not beleeue the truth of this Article If therefore those ancient Popes beliefe had bin of a Subiection due vnto them from Emperours in such Causes wherein they by their practise of Humilitie Reuerence and Obedience denyed all such Right then should their Fact haue betrayed their Faith a faithlesnesse which wee you will pardon vs dare not impute vnto those holy ancient Popes In all these Instances you may obserue that wee haue alleaged onely such Popes who were the FIRST of their owne name because we would not be found superfluous yet these First because they must be so much the more aduantagious to warrant our Conclusion to wit that either must your Article of beleeuing such a Necessitie of Subiection damne so many and in your owne iudgements excellently godly and learned Popes of Ancient times or else must their profession condemne your Article of Noueltie and you consequently of Haeresie in beleeuing a Doctrine so Imposterous Scandalous Schismaticall and so manifoldly Blasphemous against so holy Emperours and Popes CHAP. XII Our Seauenth Argument is because this Article The Catholike Romane Church without beliefe whereof there is no Saluation damneth the most learned Saints and Martyrs that are placed in the Romane Calendar for Saints or Martyrs of Christs Church First from Saint Polycarpus SECT 1. POlycarpus Bishop of Smyrna is Registred a Saint in your Roman Calendar and indeede he was an excellent Saint of whom Ecclesiasticall Historie you know giueth so notable a Testimonie as shewing that hee was the Disciple of Iohn the Euangelist who being now brought to Martyrdome by the Proconsull his persecutor and being moued to sweare Heathenishly By Caesar answered saying I AM A CHRISTIAN being then threatned to be cast into the fire said This fire now flameth and will shortly be extinguished but there is an eternall fire prepared for the torment of the wicked which thou artignorant of being burnt in the fire he yeelded a smell as fragrant as the sweetest spices whom when the Iewes and Gentiles heard professing himselfe a Christian they cried out in their wrath saying This is the Doctor of Asia this is the Father of Christians c. Lastly this Polycarpus is hee by whose authoritie Polycrates in the fury of Pope Victor then Excommunicating all the Bishops of Asia that would not celebrate Easter according to the Romane Custome defended and iustified himselfe saying When Polycarpus came to Rome in the dayes of Anicetus Bishop of that See and fell into dispute about the time of Obseruation of the Feast of Easter yet could not Anicetus perswade Polycarpus to alter his Custome which he had kept with Saint Iohn and with other Apostles with whom he himselfe had beene conuersant and in the end both Anicetus and Polycarpus notwithstanding their dispute about these Rites did mutually communicate with each other Thus farre the Ecclesiasticall Storie CHALLENGE BY this it appeareth that Polycarpus and Polycrates were both of the same spirit to maintaine their old Custome of Easter notwithstanding whatsoeuer Opposition of the Bishop of Rome because they both tooke their Resolution from the same ground to wit an Apostolicall Custome of their Church so that Pope Anicetus could no more preuaile with Polycarpus by perswasion for Alteration thereof than Pope Victor could ouercome Polycrates by his Excommunication The difference then is not betweene the Two Asian Bishops Polycarpus and Palycrates for both had the same Resolution the onely difference is betweene the Two Popes viz. Anicetus notwithstanding this Contrarietie will hold Communion with Polycarpus but Victor will needs breake out into Excommunication against Polycrates and was freely reproued for his presumption by godly Fathers of those times You will say this was but a Question of Rites and a matter of small importance be it so But the meaner the matter is they contended about the mainer and more forcible is our Consequence by good Law of Logicke as for example your whole claime is that the Pope is the Bishop of Bishops and Spirituall Monarch in the whole Christian world and ouer Kings and Monarchs You know that in them Impetrare est Imperare their Couetings and desires are Commands If therefore Saint Polycarpus would not yeeld his consent at the much instancing of Pope Anicetus in as wee may so call it a trifle in respect it plainly argueth that hee ought the same Pope no Canonicall Obedience by Law of Discipline much lesse by Doctrine of Faith if any of the now new Romane Articles had beene imposed vpon him seeing that for all the perswasion which the Pope could vse he kept his owne Conclusion still Nor is it altogether nothing which you may obserue that when both Iewes and Heathen cryed out vpon him calling him in despight The Father of Christians as though there were no Bishop in Christianitie as Monarch aboue him he did not vtter one word in behalfe of the Pope and his Supreme Dignity aboue All other Bishops which doubtlesse hee ought to haue acknowledged if that this kinde of Appellation were as you teach so proper to the Pope as to be an Argument of his Primacie aboue all other Christian Bishops II. Saint Cyprian was Exoommunicated by Stephen Bishop of Rome for not beleeuing the Necessitie of Vnion with him SECT 2. SAint Cyprian is also one of the Saints inrolled in your Romane Calendar vnder the title of Confessor and Martyr This witnesse you doe as vehemently Obiect for defence of your former Romane Article as wee doe to impugne and confute it Your Obiection answered It is an horrour to any man of iudgement to see the violence which is offered by your Doctors vnto Saint Cyprian by racking his sentences and inforcing him to say in defence of Papall Primacy that which he neuer ment nor yet dreamed of For that which hee spake of his owne onely Authority against Schismatikes who troubled his Iurisdiction That soundeth in the preoccupation of your iudgements as though it concerned onely the Pope of Rome and where hee maketh One Vniuersall Bishopricke consisting of All Bishops equally one with another without any respect to Rome more than to any other Church That also ringeth in your eares the onely Monarchy of the Bishop of Rome All which your futilily is exactly confuted by an Author who will surely satisfie any confcionable Reader But Saint Cyprian writing to Pope Cornelius doubtlesse a godly Bishop among other allurements hee inserteth this Perfidiousnesse saith he cannot haue accesse to Rome the chaire of Peter Ergo saith your Cardinall Cyprian affirmed that neither the Pope nor the Church of Rome could possibly erre No Father of the Primitiue times is more vrged by you for proofe of this Conclusion than Saint Cyprian no Epistle more insisted vpon than this now cited no words more inculcated than these which we haue alleaged and
for wee may iustly adde thus much no Father no Epistle no Sentence more egregiously abused and peruerted For first he speaketh not of Perfidiousnesse in Doctrine but onely in Discipline by the false and perfidious reports of Schismaticall fellowes who being Excommunicated by Cyprian had notwithstanding their extrauagant recourse to Rome seeking there before Cornelius to defame and traduce all the proceedings which Cyprian had iudiciously against them Secondly wee shall earnestly desire you to ponder seriously the Circumstances of the whole frame of that Epistle and then tell vs whether that Sentence were not rather spoken Rhetorically to perswade and moue Cornelius what he should doe than absolutely and asseuerantly to proue what he could not but doe For the whole endeauor of Cyprian in that same place is to admonish incourage and fortifie the faint languishing heart of that Pope and to arme him least he should be vndermined by the cunning and Perfidiousnesse of those irregular companions as his owne words doe plainly manifest by exhorting Cornelius Not to be moued with the threats and terrors that they could suggest reasoning the point Because saith he it connot consist with the power and vigor of any Christian Bishop to be affraid of the craftie dealings of impious men whereas a Bishop ought to be fore-armed with confidence against the assault and force of all floods of violence whatsoeuer So hee No otherwise than if any of you writing to a Captain of some Fort and standing in danger of being surprised by some Stratagem of the enemie and reported to be somewhat amated by apprehension of feare should reason from the experience of his former good circumspection and valour of his men saying Bee you of good courage your care and resolution is knowne to all men that no treacherie can haue accesse to your Fort. Who knoweth not that this is that peece of Oratory which is called of Rhetoricians 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is an Admonition by way of praising insinuated when we admonish him whom we seeme to praise which is by praise of his former worthinesse to premonish him to maintaine with constancie so good a Resolution But if you will needes haue it Prophetically spoken of the Infallabilitie of the Pope of Rome then must you as necessarily make Saint Cyprian a False Prophet who in this Epistle commended Pope Cornelius but in another Epistle doth as much condemne Pope Stephen a Successor to Cornelius euen for his rashnesse in entertaining these forenamed Perfidious out-lopers who by gadding to Rome abused his credulitie and occasioned dissention betweene him and Pope Stephen as hath bin largely declared And we wish that Thousands of Examples of like Perfidiousnesse could not be showne which for these last Thousand yeares haue possessed the Romane Chaire Yet not knowing the appetite of euery Reader whether he may haue a desire to know if there were any the like Example in Antiquitie wee instance in that which your Cardinall Baronius hath related Saint Basil saith hee writing to Damasus Bishop of Rome doth wish him to take heede least he bring that mischiefe vpon the Easterne Church which Pope Liberius had done by admitting of Eustathius and his fellowes being Heretikes but craftily pretending themselues to beleeue the Nicene Faith Thus haue you a fourefold satisfaction Pope Liberius was deceiued by the Perfidiousnesse of Heretikes Pope Damasus was fore-warned by that Example lest he should be likewise deceiued Pope Stephen was circumuented by like craft and accordingly Pope Cornelius was instantly by many Arguments perswaded by Cyprian to beware of the like delusion by persidious Schismatikes Ergo the Romane Sea is no more priuiledged from the accesse of Impostors than the Mediterranean Sea is from false Pirats You haue posed vs with the straine of the words of Saint Cyprian and we shall reply vpon you with his visible Acts and Deeds Our Opposition from the practise and profession of Saint Cyprian If Saint Cyprian his reuiling of the person of Pope Stephen if his Contradicting in his Councell the Popes Decrees enacted in his Councell if gain-saying the Popes pretended supreme Title viz. Bishop of Bishops if Interdicting the greatest Prerogatiue of Papall Monarchy which is Appeales to Rome be sufficient Arguments of disclaime of Subiection to the Pope all which haue bene proued from point to point then are we sure that Saint Cyprian did not belieue the Article of Necessary Subiection to the Sea of Rome If the Excommunication of others who were of Saint Cyprian his opinion if not admitting the Legats of Cyprian to his speach if forbidding all Communication with them and hospitality vnto them if despightfull words against Cyprian as against an intollerable Aduersary may be held proofes of the Excommunication of Cyprian by the Pope all which likewise haue bene expresly declared than are we assured that Cyprian was so much as lay in the Popes power separated from the Church of Rome If that Cyprian had this Faith that None hath God for his Father which hath not the Church for his Mother if he notwithstanding the same Faith was contented to be Excommunicated by the Pope and persisted in that his Opposition for ought that euer could appeare euen to the giuing vp of his spirit to God by Martyrdome all which haue accordingly bene confessed then may we be bold to assume that Saint Cyprian was not of your Faith to belieue that Subiection or visible Vnion with the Pope of Rome is necessary to saluation If lastly Saint Cyprian as you haue said were alwaies held to be Catholike in Faith godly in life glorious in his death and euen since his death reckoned in the Calendar of Saints then stand we secure that the Beleefe of your Article of Necessary Vnion and Subiection to the Romane Sea is not necessary to Saluation So that the more blessed a Saint Cyprian is the more cursed and damnable this your Romane Article must needs be III. Saint Athanasius Bishop of Alexandria beleeued not the Necessity of this Romane Article concerning Vnion and Subiection to the Sea of Rome SECT 3. SAint Athanasius Patriarch of Alexandria must be thought to haue bene a Saint as to all Christian Churches so to the Church of Rome it selfe who as you know in his greatest extremities and persecutions by Arian Heretikes found support and refuge at Rome by the godly Pope Iulius the Bishop of that Sea whose Symbol or Creed the monument of his Faith called the ATHANASIAN CREED not onely Rome but the whole Catholike Church doth professe vnto whose honour Gregory the thirteenth say you built a goodly Church being desirous to draw the East-Church vnto his Vnion and whose name is Calendred for a Saint in your Romane Missall at this day This is the Saint whom we propound vnto you as one who hath taught vs by his example not to regard the Papall Vnion in our iust Cause But whether and why did the Pope of Rome Excommunicate such a
vnto Their Chiefe meaning the Pope of Rome and addeth saying I hate the Pride of That Church meaning the Church of Rome Marke wee pray you Their Chiefe and That Church are these notes of his Subiection to the Pope or Church of Rome Nay are they not direct demonstrations of his no Subiection or Subordination to either of both can you conceiue any to bee a true and loyall Subiect who writing to others concerning his owne King and Soueraigne and his Soueraignty should say I writ to their King and I hate the pride of that Kingdome Yet you heare what Saint Basil writ concerning the Pope and his Church and notwithstanding was he â—hen a reall Member of the Catholike Church Nor is this all but he hath furthermore imputed besides the vice of Pride Ignorance vnto them Notwithstanding all which Saint Basil was euen then a Saint Militant and hath beene euer since held in God's Church a Saint Triumphant who for his excellent learning iudgement piety and industrie in protecting and propagating the Catholike Truth obtained in the Church of Christ the attribute of THE GREAT and in the Elegie of Ephrem to be called Chiefe Priest of the Lord. Which may serue as an instrument to launce the Papall Impostume of your Romane Pope who neuer heareth of any such Adiunct ascribed vnto himselfe but he presently swelleth with Pride and taketh it as Appropriate to his person as he is Successor to Saint Peter Although therefore we denie not but that notwithstanding this Opposition made by Saint Basil against the Romane Church hee held Communion with the Church of Rome both in Faith and Charity because at that time Rome was in her integrity Yet that Necessity of Subiection and the Beleefe thereof which your Article requireth of All that shall be saued is a doctrine as you see abandoned by Saint Basil. We therefore choose rather to abhorre your new Article as Imposterous and Impious than to suffer that blessed Father to be razed out of the number of Saints V. Saint Hilary of Poictou did not beleeue the Romane Article of Necessity of Vnion with the Pope of Rome SECT 5. WHat and how great a Saint this Hilary Bishop of Poictou was your Romane Church doth shew in her Kalendar as it were in her Church-Booke wherein is Registred his name as a Prime Saint and that worthily For as your Lippelous truely saith he for his learning and Sanctity was Admirable both in the Greeke and Latine Churches liuing in the yeere 356 in the daies of the Emperour Constantius and of Pope Liberius So he Well then wee are to enquire what was his iudgement concerning this Pope Liberius and the necessity of Communion with him This being a part of that your Article concerning The Catholike Romane Church to beleeue that In matters of Faith the iudgement of the Pope is infallible Saint Hilary no sooner vnderstood that Pope Liberius as your Cardinall hath confessed had subscribed to haue communion with the Arian Heretikes but hee made bold to Excommunicate the Pope out of his Communion and fellowship saying I Anathematize thee Liberius and thy fellowes This you will thinke was too liberally spoken and will iudge it rather not spoken at all But why I pray you was it not alwaies lawfull for any Catholike Bishop to Excommunicate any Hereticall Bishop that is abandon his fellowship and Communion or had not Hilarius iust cause so to vse Liberius at this time This is that Liberius who two yeeres after Banishment for his Catholike Faith became an Heretike Interpretatiuè saith your Cardinall that is in the vnderstanding of men iudging of him by his outward Act of Subscribing to the Condemnation of Saint Athanasius and communicating with knowne Heretikes nor so onely but euen expressely an Heretike If to bee of opinion with Heretikes If to bee made an Heretike If to be ouercome and to consent vnto Arian Heresie may be Testimonies of an expresse Heretike as your owne Platina Alphonsus de Castro Cardinall Turrecremata and out of the words of Saint Hierome Cardinall Cusanus haue confessed Which was the very cause that moued Saint Hilary also to bid the same Pope Auant else could hee not haue complained of the Hereticall Emperour Constantius for releasing of the same Liberius out of Banishment namely vpon such conditions as that Emperour inioyned the said Pope saying I know not O Emperour whether thou hast shewed more impiety in Banishing of Liberius or in releasing him from his Banishment What other sense could this haue than that Liberius was now as full an Heretike in his Releasement as he had beene before a Catholike in his Banishment CHALLENGE SCanne you this matter a right and then you must confesse that the Faith of Saint Hilary was to beleeue that a Pope might become an Heretike in his Publike person as for example Pope Liberius did by his publike Subscribing vnto Heresie and that therefore no Christian is bound to haue further Vnion of Faith with any Pope than a Pope doth stand in the Vnion of the true and Catholike Faith Which beeing the beleefe of all Protestants and the Cause of dis Vnion from the Pope of Rome at this day is therefore censured by you as a note of Heresie in it selfe and as you thinke a sufficient cause of Separation from all hope of Saluation As though Saint Hilary a Father of the same profession were no more to be esteemed a Saint But a Saint you acknowledge him to be know then that he who abandoned the Popes Vnion would neuer haue submitted to his Dominion VI. Saint Hierome beleeued not the now Romane Article concerning the Necessity of Subiection to the Romane Church and Bishop thereof SECT 6. SAint Hierom whom the Church of Rome hath dignified and honoured with the place of a Saint in her Calendar vnder the Title of Confessor and Doctor of the Church liued about the yeere of our Lord 390 and was aboue all the Fathers that we can name of those times the most deuout childe of the Church of Rome Neuerthelesse dare we in the examination of this Fundamentall Article of the same or rather the foundation it selfe referre our selues vnto the iudgement of this Saint And we proceed in this disquisition according to our former Method of your Obiections and our Answer and Reply from the same Father Your Obiection SAint Hierom writing vnto the Pope Damasus acknowledgeth himselfe his Sheepe although hee was vnder the Patriarch of Antioch nameth the same Pope Successor of Peter professeth himselfe to haue Communion with the Chaire of Peter mentioneth as a reason the Rocke whereupon the Church of Christ is built the House without which none may eate the Lambe that is Offer Sacrifice and the Arke of Noah without which whosoeuer is must needs perish So Saint Hierom. Vpon this Foundation some of your Master-Builders would erect an Infallibility of the Popes Iudgement an Vniuersality of his
Greeke Church and the West or Latine wherein the Church of Rome hath the greatest preeminence He in the Case of Apostolicall Tradition concerning Rites and Ceremonies hath made their credit equall but in the Doctrinall as namely a Tradition Apostolicall concerning the true and Canonicall Scriptures he preferreth the Authority of the Greeke and East-Churches and confesseth that it shouldereth out in this maine Case the Authority of the Romane Lastly comparing any One part with All Churches as by name Rome with Carthage and All others hee proueth that Rome can bee no more The Vniuersall or Catholike Church than Carthage No nor both together but that the Catholike Church as the Queene is the Whole Church of Christ by an Aggregation and Comprehension of All together in One. So direct and absolute a Doctor was Saint Augustine of the no-Necessity of vniuersall Vnion or Subiection vnto the same Church in poynts of Controuersie whether Rituall or Doctrinall and consequently of the no-Necessity of Beleefe of either of both all which your Article doth require and exact and yet we notwithstanding your damning Article must still beleeue that Saint Augustine is a blessed Saint IX Saint Hilary Bishop of Arles in France beleeued not your Article of Necessary Subiection to the Pope and Church of Rome SECT 9. THis Saint albeit he haue no place in the Romane Calendar of your Masse wil notwithstanding challenge a place among our honourable Witnesses because he is reckoned in your Martyrologe of Saints He in the yeere 445 seemed to vsurpe vpon the Iurisdiction of the Prouince of Vienna notwithstanding the Inhibition of Pope Leo who taketh it very haynously that Hilary heerein refused to be subiect vnto him This Hilarius as you without any proofe would make vs beleeue yeelded at length vnto the Pope making no further Apologie for the defence of his Cause Which were it so it mattereth not for that will suffice for his Apologie which is confessed by your Baronius namely that Although Hilarius did incurre the displeasure of Pope Leo in the defence as he was perswaded of the Right of his Episcopall Sea Yet notwithstanding was he worthy saith the Cardinall for his singular sanctity to be registred in the Romane Martyrologe of Saints CHALLENGE LEo the then Pope complaineth against this Saint for refusing to bee Subiect to his iudiciall determination the which this Saint did saith your Cardinall in presumption that his cause was iust Yet Gennadius Prosper and others that set downe his life doe not note in him any iniquity in this Case What need many words He that in a Question of Ecclesiasticall Rites could not but doubt of the uniuersall authority of the Pope could not bee of the now Romane Faith Therefore this Saint Hilary was confidently perswaded that in some case it was lawfull to denie Subiection to the Pope Wherefore it will belong to you either to renounce this sacrilegious Article or to vn-hallow and vn-saint this holy man The Generall CHALLENGE concerning the forenamed Saints ALl this while that wee haue laboured to confute your former Romane Article from the iudgements of ancient Fathers and holy Saints we haue insisted onely in them whose names are celebrated in your Romane Church and recorded in the publike Calendar thereof or in your Martyrologe of Saints to wit Saint Polycarpus Saint Cyprian Saint Athanasius Saint Basil Saint Hilary of Poictou Saint Hierom Saint Ambrose Saint Augustine and Saint Hilary of Arles all of them in the opinion of all Christians deseruing of the Church of Christ the most Honourable Title of SAINTS besides the other Attributes which for further Amplification of their worthinesse are ascribed vnto them as adorning Saint Polycarp with the Title of the Doctor of Asia Cyprian the most famous Doctor Saint Hilary of Arles with the Title of Sanctity And as for the rest you shall need no more than that which your Cardinall Baronius testifieth in his Dedicatory Epistle vnto Pope Clement the Eight I present before you saith he Athanasius the Great and Basil the Great two Chiefes or eminent Topps of the East-Church and Hilary Hierom Ambrose and Augustine the Foure Principalls of the Westerne Church Pillars of the Faith and Miracles of the World with this company of so excellent Fathers your throne is crowned So he What larger Assumption could your Cardinall haue made in Ostentation of the Papall Monarchy from the Authority of these Fathers then to boast vnto the Pope of the establishing of his Throne by the Testimonies of the same Saints Wherefore seeing we likewise doe ioyntly Appeale vnto these holy Fathers as vnto most impartiall witnesses of Truth you are by your amplifications of their Learning Wisedome Constancie in the Faith and Sanctity as by so many Obligations bound to stand to their iudgements by which the sinewes of your Romane Article are broken asunder First of Necessity of Vnion with Secondly of Subiection vnto the Church and Bishop of Rome as The Catholike Church and Bishop Thirdly the Beleefe of the Necessity of both these And each of those Three vpon losse of Saluation to All them that are not of this Beleefe Recall to minde the former Passages concerning the behauiour of these Saints in whom you haue seene professed Opposition in matter of Doctrine against the Pope and Church of Rome by setting Councell against Councell by taxing the Romane Church of Pride and Ignorance by contempt of the Popes Excommunication by condemning his Condemnation by Anathematizing his person by preferring the iudgement of the East-Church before hers in the great Question of the Canon of Scriptures as well of the Old as of the New Testament Can you desire a more cleare Demonstration of a Beleefe of no Necessity of Vnion with the Pope or Sea of Rome than this is But because you hold it not sufficient to Saluation that a man professe Vnion in Faith with the Church of Rome except also he acknowledge an absolute Subiection in Discipline vnto her Iurisdiction it may not be held superfluous to repeate vnto you the liuely Characters of their no Subiection by denying of Conformitie with Rome in so little as in a Rite whether of a Fast or of Washing of Feete by inhibiting foraine Prouinces to Appeale To Rome and permitting of Appeales sometimes From Rome to a Councell by equalling other Bishops with the Bishop of Rome and making Rome so A Church that it cannot be The Catholike Church any more than Carthage or any other Particular Church is and by maintaining of Iurisdiction against the Bishop of Rome Lastly for as much as neither Vnion in Faith with the Church of Rome nor Subiection in Discipline vnto her doth by your Romane Article satisfie except a Christian haue also beleefe of the Necessity of both the former in euery one that shall seeke to be saued ponder with your selues whether these Fathers if they were as both you and wee proclaime them Saints could beleeue in their hearts and mindes that
death of Theophilus inclineth to the other side and vnderstanding that Cyrill was chosen Patriarch of Alexandria in succession of Theophilus he writeth to Cyril an Epistle wherein he recompteth Theophilus in the number of Saints and seeketh to perswade Cyrill to the Restoring of Chrysostomes name into the publike Records But will you know by what Reasons euen by the Conference had with the Emperour Theodosius and signifying that he was Vrged vnto it by the necessity of the present distraction and tumultuousnesse of the people but not so much as in one syllable to haue any consideration of the Popes will and Command or of the danger of his Excommunication belike the stinch of that his Thunderbolt was not so rancke and noysome in his daies Nay contrarily as Baronius will haue vs to obserue Atticus euen at this time of his yeelding to the restoring of the name of Chrysostome being extremely displeased with the Church of Rome by which he himselfe had beene excommunicated called other two Easterne Bishops Schismatickes euen because they had ioyned in Communion with her What call men Schismatickes for ioyning Communion with the Church of Rome Then it is plaine that he yeeldeth not to the Restoring of Chrysostome's Name by compulsion of the Pope as hath beene fained And it is as cleare that Theophilus did not recant his former iudgement at the point of death else would Atticus haue vsed this as an Argument to perswade Cyrill in behalfe of Chrysostome especially making mention of Theophilus in the same Epistle and whether rather Atticus that liued in the same Time with Theophilus know better the manner thereof or a Relator that came many hundred yeeres after iudge you But which is most euident of all Atticus although hee did now That which was desired of the Pope of Rome concerning Chrysostome notwithstanding calling those Bishops Schismatickes who for their respect to Chrysostome ioyned Communion with that Excommunicating Church of Rome and yet naming Theophilus a Saint doth proue sufficiently that Theophilus whom the Pope had Excommunicated neuer sought to haue Vnion with him before his death Neuerthelesse this Atticus Eighteene yeeres after his death was acknowledged by Pope Celestinus to haue beene A most strong Champion for the Catholike Faith Now entereth Cyrill himselfe to act his owne part Hee after hee had professed his defence of the Canon of Nice against Chrysostome returneth this Answer to Atticus Since the time that you Atticus saith he haue beene Bishop in the Sea of Constantinople no man resisted your meetings or Synods in the Church or if any wilfully separated themselues yet by the grace of Christ they were recalled And who was there among the Magistrates that was not obedient vnto you Or what one man for this cause is now without the Church Surely none But you tell me that since your relenting much peace hath insued in the Churches be it so yet there being so many Churches with vs which stand out against the restoring of the name of Chrysostome we may not dissent from them Thus Saint Cyrill in his Epistle as your Cardinall hath related Where hee speaketh of the Churches of Constantinople and Antioch of Constantinople hee affirmeth that at all times therefore in the time when Atticus himselfe the Bishop of Constantinople was Excommunicated by the Church of Rome as hath beene confessed both Clergie Magistrates and people within those Churches did notwithstanding the Papall dis-vnion and Separation Communicate with Atticus And now concerning his owne Patriarchall Church of Alexandria Cyril himselfe professeth that hee must not dissent from it and many other Churches in Greece that yeelded not to the Decree of the Church of Rome which againe ouerthroweth your Article of absolute Necessity of Subiection to the Romane Church Cyrill proceedeth in his Answer to Atticus But wee condemne them saith he that obey not the power of God vsing that saying of the Prophet we haue cured Babylon and shee is not healed let vs forsake her For we may not because of the speaches of some if any such speaches be suffer the Canons of the Church to be abolished So he By which words he laboureth to perswade Atticus againe to gaine-say the Commemoration of Chrysostome which the Pope by all his meanes of threats of Excommunications and perswasions sought to effect But what of all this will you say What hearken to your Cardinall Reader I would haue thee Consider saith he that in this bitternesse of contention which Cyrill now had against the Restitution of the name of Chrysostome against whom he inueigheth in this Epistle yet for Reuerence sake hee durst not say any thing openly and expressely against Pope Innocentius who was the Author and chiefe cause of restoring Chrysostomes name into the Dyptickes and reuenged himselfe vpon those that withstood it as did Theophilus Predecessor to Cyril whom for that cause the Pope depriued of his Communion Thus farre reacheth your Cardinals Consideration From whence you may be pleased to consider with vs how slily and smoothly your Cardinall slydeth ouer this piece of ice for feare breaking it and of falling in Cyrill forsooth for Reuerence durst not say any thing openly against Pope Innocentius who authorized the restoring of Chrysostome c. As though it might not be said Quid verba audiam cùm facta videam words are but shadowes deeds are substantialls And Cyrill did more and that openly than your Cardinall saith he durst say For knowing that Theophilus had beene Excommunicate for Opposing the Decree of the Pope yet doth Cyrill persist in the same Opposition which may be a second Argument vnto vs that Theophilus had not recanted before his death Secondly knowing that Atticus Patriarch of Constantinople had beene likewise depriued of the Popes Communion notwithstanding doth Cyrill perswade Atticus by his letters to stand in the defence of the same Cause Thirdly knowing that Pope Innocentius did still vrge the aduancing of the Memory of Chrysostome neuerthelesse doth Cyrill actually resist it Can a man interpret it a point of Reuerence toward a Monarch to say nothing and yet openly to withstand his Monarchy So false in those daies was your Article of Necessity of Subiection to the Church of Rome in the iudgement of Saint Cyrill who indeed deserued of the Church of Christ the Title of a Saint and is so acknowledged by your selues Gladly would your Baronius if it might bee support your Cause by the Testimony of Nicephorus who sheweth that Cyrill reformed his iudgement before his death But if were it reasonable to beleeue a Tale of Nicephorus an Author often reprooued by your selues for his Fabulousnesse being made more than Eight hundred yeere after the party is dead yet can it not any whit serue your turne because hee telleth that Cyrill corrected his errour concerning his dis-estimation of Chrysostome moued thereunto by a Vision that hee had wherein He thought he saw Chrysostome expelling him
but to signifie that hee ment not the Chaire of Iurisdiction in One but of Vnion equally in Many he addeth The other Apostles were the same with Peter indued with equall honour and power Therefore by Chaire hee meant not any particular See of Peter but the Vnion of one Vniuersall Church gouerned by an Aristocraticall Equality of many We leaue the true Peter and come to the counterfeit whom you call your Pope and see if you can take any better hold either at the word Episcopatus Bishoprick or Episcopus Bishop There is one Bishopricke saith Cyprian dispersed throughout the world consisting of the vnanimous multitude of many Bishops If by One Bishopricke were meant onely the See of Rome then should there be so many Bishops of Rome as there are Bishops throughout the world This one Sentence of Cyprian breaketh the necke of your Cardinals conceit that will haue vs to vnderstand by Bishopricke in Cyprian the Indiuiduall Bishopricke of the Pope of Rome and not a generall Complexion and Comprehension of All. But that you may further know that Cyprian himselfe will challenge a part in this Bishopricke as well as the Pope Wee saith he that gouerne in the Church ought to hold Vnity that so we may proue the Bishopricke to be but one The Bishopricke is but one a portion whereof is wholly and fully held of Euery Bishop To signifie that in the Essentiall nature of a Bishop euery Bishop is equall and the Collection of All doth equally make vp this One Vniuersall Bishopricke Which can no more agree as your Cardinall would haue it to the Particular Bishopricke of Rome than if hee would conclude that because there is One Man-hood whereof euery man whatsoeuer in the world hath equally a portion therefore this Man-hood is proper to Clement Pope of Rome If your Plea faile in the word One Bishopricke it will neuer preuaile in the word One Bishop for Bishopricke and Bishop are Relatiues and inferre the same Consequence Cyprian writing to Pope Cornelius saith that There ought to be but One Bishop in the Catholike Church which soundeth in the braines of your Teachers that by Catholike Church is ment the Vniuersall Church of Christ and by One Bishop particularly Cornelius the then Bishop of Rome A Glosse which neither Cyprian nor Cornelius himselfe will admit Not Cornelius who describing the lewd properties of Nouatus who sought to snatch the Bishopricke of Rome from him Nouatus saith he would haue vs to thinke forsooth that hee did forget that there ought to be but One Bishop in the Catholike Church wherein there are six and forty Priests and seauen Deacons where the word Catholike Church is not taken in the proper sense of Vniuersall Church as you would haue it to make him an Vniuersall Bishop but it is taken for a Church professing the Catholike Faith in which signification the word Catholike Church doth agree as well with any Orthodox Church as with the Church of Rome You discerne this as well as we for hee speaketh expresly of a Catholike Church which hath but Fortie and six Priests and but seauen Deacons You are wee thinke already ashamed to heare of such a paucitie of Priests and Deacons within albeit but the Suburbs of the Citie of Rome which to pronounce of the whole and Vniuersall Church Catholike throughout the world seemeth to be as loud a lye almost as can be in the Vniuersall world and as little truth then can there be in your Obiections Wee returne to Cyprian who sometimes speaketh of One Bishop at large and sometimes with Relation to himselfe Nouatian saith hee could not obtaine the Bishopricke meaning of Rome although hee had bin made Bishop namely thereof by his fellow Bishops that is to say Nouatian Bâ—shops Who then should haue the Bishopricke Who but Cornelius who was made Bishop of Rome for this is implied by his Orthodox fellow Bishops If in this place Bishop must signifie One onely Bishop how commeth the Bishop of Rome to haue Fellow-Bishops Doe not Onely and Also make a plaine Solecisme And other Bishops there alwayes were except when you make onely the Pope the One Bishop as the onely Vicar of Christ you make all other Bishops against your owne Conclusions to be but the Vicars of the Pope At the length Cyprian commeth to plead his owne Cause Once writing to Pope Cornelius I cannot but speake with griefe saith hee and I am constrained to say it when a Bishop elected in peace and approued of his people Foure yeares c. Where by Bishop hee could not vnderstand Cornelius Pope of Rome who liued Bishop but Two yeares but ment indeede himselfe Againe writing to his Aduersary Pupianus who sought to ouertop him Hence sprang Schismes and Haeresies saith Cyprian when that one Bishop that gouerneth the Church is insolently contemned as who should say the Fraternitie hath not had a Bishop these sixe yeares nor the Flocke a Shepheard nor God a Priest Which words the iniurie hee receiued of his Aduersary compelled him to speake of himselfe and his owne modestie to speake in the Third person as not of himselfe Lastly when hee calleth the Church One which saith hee possesseth all the grace of Christ the spouse of the Church wherein speaking of himselfe we haue authoritie and rule must the word Church here also Indiuidually point out the Particular Church of Rome So should Cyprian be said to haue gouerned the Particular See of Rome which whether it were alone or with Cornelius it dissolueth his Monarchie What shall wee say to the sayings of Cyprian if hee had beleeued your Article of Papall Monarchie as a Doctrine of Faith hee that laid downe his life for the Profession of our true Monarke and Head Christ the Lord of life was hâ—e either such a Coward that hee durst not plainely professe this Faith or else such an Infant as that hee could not expresse it in the proper style of that Article concerning the Pope of Rome the Bishop of Bishops the Father of Fathers the High-Priest of Christ and Monarch of the Vniuersall Church or at least some one Syllable to that effect of which Attributes your Cardinall hath made a faire Diademe and fitted it onely to your Head the Pope And so indeede Cyprian would haue instiled Pope Cornelius if he had bin of your Faith For Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh Yet what Faith did that holy mouth of Saint Cyprian vtter in his inscribing of Pope Cornelius In all his Epistles to that Pope hee saluteth him with onely Charissime Frater Most deare Brother and taketh his Vale with the same Most deare Brother Farewell And in his Epistles vnto others falling into mention of the same Pope Cornelius whom hee indeede both much loued and honoured yet hee exceedeth not these Epithets Our fellow-Bishop Cornelius our Collegue or fellow in office Cornelius and O Brother Antonianus
defect of pronouncing Shibboleth euen as the Character of a man is seene by his speach CHALLENGE IN Examination of these Premises you may finde iust matter for Challenge of your owne Proctors and Pleaders for the Popes Primacy from these Popes by reason of their fourefold Iniurie First to their Aduersaries the Protestants whom they traduce as enemies to Antiquity in not admitting the Testimonies of so holy Popes of the Primitiue age which all Christians ought to beleeue and reuerence But in this clamour they abuse their Readers by deliuering vnto them onely the names of Popes Epistles as is vsuall in false Certificates wherein a man shall reade a Catalogue of names of men whereunto the parties themselues neuer yeelded their consent or as in a Stage-play wherein are presented Personates instead of Persons themselues and to the chins of boyes are fixed the beards of old men Is not this a theatricall forgery Secondly to your Popes by vrging writings in their nameâ— which if they were theirs must proue them to haue beene foolish false and barbarous Our zeale therefore to those blessed Popes doth challenge your Obiectors of extreme iniury to their memory Thirdly to the Church of Rome as well Ancient as Successiue that when you boast so much of the truth of your Traditions as a Nuncupatiue Testament of Christ wherein your Chiefest Article is your Doctrine of Papall Monarchy yet when we are to consult with the first witnesses that should testifie this Article in tht Romane Church it selfe namely those Ancient Popes we can haue no better assurance of their Testimonies than as of such as are confessed to bee both fraught with Errors and also falsely imposed vpon those Popes Which is in effect to condemne your Romane Church of sacrilegious negligence and vnfaithfulnesse in not preseruing that sacrum Depositum as you call the Ancient Tradition of Popes from hand to hand and consequently must inferre a iust suspition of Falshood in the Chiefest ground of your Romish Faith the pretended Law of Tradition Is not this also an iniury But the greatest Iniury that we lament is the wrong which your Obiectors doe vnto their own Consciences when some will haue all those Epistles to be Authenticall and worthy of absolute Beleefe without Exception yet are condemned by the most learned among you who confesse and proue that they are mixed both with Theologicall Chronologicall falshoods Some againe especially your Cardinal obtruding Epistles in the names of Popes and yet doubting whether they be truely the Epistles of these Popes or no and some other-where also reiecting some of them as Counterfeits So foolish is his Obiection in alleaging them for Ancient who could not be ignorant that there haue beene Ancient forgeries of which stampe your owne iudicious Authors haue noted these to bee And that which exceedeth almost the highest note of to speake mildely Inconsideration to proue your Doctrine of Romish Primacy from the word Primatus mentioned sometimes by the Bishops of Rome in their Epistles which as your owne Contius teacheth is an Argument to iudge them not to be so Ancient because that that word was not of currant stampe in that age And what great iniurie can any man doe than that which he doth to his owne Conscience Finally pardon vs if we cannot impute such a degree of Impiety to those holy Popes that they who liued in the times of those bloudy Massacres wherin most of them with infinite other godly Professors in the same Church of Rome bequeathed their bodies to the sword for the Faith of Christ and their soules and spirits by Martyrdome to his armes of blessednesse should be wholly busyed in their Epistles about poynts of Ordination of Priests Inuention of Ceremonies and aduancing the Prerogatiues of the Romane Church but neuer to vtter any syllable of Exhortation and Consolation in behalfe of the Flocke of Christ dayly in the iawes of the Wooluish Persecutors of these times as those Epistles by you obiected do make appeare Your Obiections from the Testimonies of Ancient Popes of the Second Three hundred yeeres and the Vanity thereof discouered SECT 12. FOr the Second Three hundred yeeres are presented before vs a Second Iury of Twelue Popes to giue their Verdicts for proofe of the extent of their owne Papall and Monarchicall power and Iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall ouer the whole Church of Christ throughout the world Manifold haue been the Answers of Many to these Testimonies which the breuity that we haue propounded to our selues in this Treatise will not suffer vs to relate our Answers shall be no lesse plaine and yet more compendious 1. Almost all of these Testimonies may be denied in that sense of absolute Monarchie for the which they are propounded As for the first man of the Inquest viz. Pope Iulius he plainely speaketh of Document Instruction receiued from Peter and not of Dominion or Iurisdiction which may be an Answer to many of the rest 2. Some speake not but their Counterfeits as the last Iurist Pope Gregory in an Epistle wherein Eusebius Bishop of Constantinople is said to haue beene Subiect vnto him when as as our Doctor Reynolds hath proued there was no Eusebius Bishop of Constantinople in the daies of Saint Gregory This tricke of corrupting the writings of Antient Popes as you haue seene in their Epistles for the first Three hundred yeeres giue vs iuster cause to suspect the Popish Scribes in the Second Three hundred yeeres 3. Some haue beene already satisfied by Parallels 4. Reuerence say some Popes is due to the Apostolike See So you know Saint Peter doth require of the Husband Honour towards his Wife and Saint Paul of a Bishop Reuerence vnto Widowes Reuerence therefore which is nothing else but a due estimation of all persons according to their Order and Degree may bee exacted without any Note of Dominion 5. Nine of these Popes call the Church of Rome and Bishop thereof either Head of all Churches or One that hath the Care of all Churches or one hauing Principality Euery of which as you know were antiently ascribed to other Churches and Bishops besides the Romane 6. Some may be checked by Retorsion as in the first and last witnesse For the first if from the words obiected out of that Epistle of Iulius you shall inferre that he had Vniuersall Monarchy throughout the Catholike Church then may wee more iustly conclude that the same Pope being challenged by the Bishops of the East whom he calleth Most dearely beloued both for writing to them Alone and from his owne Authority and also for transgressing the Canons of the Church by admitting men vnto his Communion that had beene by them deposed and answering to the one that Although he wrote alone vnto them yet that he did it by consent of his fellow Bishops and to the other standing onely vpon his iustification in not transgressing the Canons of Ancient Councels
hee was neither accompted of them not yet esteemed himselfe the Vniuersall Pope and Monarch of the Church As for the last to wit Gregory if in some tearmes he seeme to speake somewhat lowd as though he were very great yet by confining himselfe to the Constitution of Iustinian and disclaiming as you know the Title of Vniuersall Bishop of the Church as most odious euen in the now Romane signification of Vniuersall Iurisdiction hee was too little to become in that Sense a Romane Pope Againe Damasus say you called the Easterne Bishops Sonnes belike it was in loue Yet the same Easterne Bishops called Damasus Brother and Fellow Lastly Some may be confuted and indeed confounded by as Antient Oppositions as of the Orientalls against the Authority of Pope Iulius of the Bishops of Africke against the pretended Authority of Pope Zozimus and of Cyrill against Pope Innocentius Our Generall Discouery of the Vanity of your Proofes of Papall Monarchy from the mouthes of Popes themseluos who haue beene anciently noted of Pride SECT 13. OVr Sauiour Christ obseruing the equity of humane Law applied it to himselfe saying If I giue testimony of my selfe my testimonie were not true And why then should not this Consequence vsed by Christ be of force against your Consequences taken from the testimonies of those Popes who boast themselues to be the onely Vicars of Christ Yes verily because there is such a 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is Selfe-loue in euery man so bewitching him that he can discerne Any sooner than himselfe Yea and if in all Courts of Pleas greatest exception is taken against selfe-Testimony in a mans owne Cause then ought not this our Answer seeme harsh vnto you if we should denie the Assumptions which the Popes of Rome euen of more Primitiue times haue made for the aduantage of their Romane Iurisdiction and that so much the lesse by how much the more many Popes of that age are noted to haue beene taxed for their great Arrogancy by the Ancient Fahers of their owne Times Whereupon it is that we haue heard Tertullian girding at the Pope as if hee would bee Bishop of Bishops Polycrates contemning his threats of Excommunication as Vaine Terrors Cyprian noting the Popes Pride and scorning his Tyrannicall terror The Fathers of the Councell of Africke among whom Saint Augustine was one branding Three Popes with the note of Smoakie Arrogance and Saint Augustine himselfe poynting at the vaine Boasting of Rome nay euen Saint Hierom also durst say concerning the Ecclesiasticall State of that City Away with Ambition And how did Saint Basil beard the same Church with the termes of Westerne superciliousnesse Pride Others likewise albeit more couertly and closely ' twitted other Popes Cyrill We may not saith he for the speaches of Some meaning the Pope with others suffer our Canons to bee infringed and Saint Ambrose We also haue our senses about vs speaking in Opposition to Rome and intimating that shee conceited too highly of her own Iudgement Thus these holy Fathers concerning the Popes of their daies being otherwise holy Fathers also For we forbeare to Oppose against you the iudgement of Authors of after-ages who speake against the Romane Pride as liberally as did Nicephorus who condemned Pope Vigilius of Insolency in Excommunicating Mennas the Patriarch of Constantinople Nay and did not one of your owne Prophets in defence of the Superiority of the Councell aboue the Pope say that Popes doe commonly stretch their fringes too much arrogating that to themselues which is proper to a Councell CHALLENGE WHat holy Popes wil you say and yet proud arrogant and challenging Dominion aboue others without the limits of their owne Iurisdiction Yes why not They were the holy Disciples of Christ that ambitiously wished by the solicitation of their Mother that They might sit the one on the right hand of Christ and the other on the left in his Kingdome they were also holy Apostles that sought among themselues without any Ordinance of their Lord Who should be Chiefe They were likewise zealously-holy seruants of Christ that beyond their Commission would haue had fire from heauen vpon the Samaritans And certainely many of the Popes especially of the Second Classis and rancke within the compasse of the Second Three hundred yeeres may be said to haue beene Successors of those Disciples and Apostles as in many virtues so in these kinde of defects also And if this may be said of holy and Primitiue Popes what shall we thinke of those Popes who a Thousand yeeres after them haue degenerated both from the holinesse and sincere Religion of their Predecessors What but as of Gyants in respect whose thumbs of Pride were greater than their Fathers Loynes When the particulars of these our Answers together with theis more Generall are summed vp and due subtraction made of those Obiections which are satisfied thereby you shall finde that the Remainder for your aduantage will be iust nothing at all So vaine and friuolous is the pretence for your Romane Article of Vniuersall Iurisdiction ouer the Church of Christ. Your Second kinde of Obiections from the Testimonies of Popes is from their Acts in exercising of their pretended Papall Authority and our Discouerie of the Vanity thereof SECT 14. THis Vniuersall Exercise of Papall Authority your Cardinall will haue vs discerne in three points 1. Of Confirming 2. Of Deposing 3. Of Restoring other Bishops wheresoeuer by his owne Authority Euery which act saith he may be of it selfe a sufficient proofe of his Primacy ouer all other Bishops You may take for your first Answer that anciently Institutions of Metropolitans and Patriarchs were done by Communicatory letters to the Chiefe Patriarch 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ergò for Order-sake by Communicatory Letters we say or as we may call them Letters of Correspondence to shew their agreement in the Faith in which case the Bishop of Rome sent his Pall in token of his Assent So likewise the Popes Deposing of other Bishops without the Romane Dioces was but an Expression of his Assent to others that hee thought them iustly deposed The same may be said of his power in Restitution of others that had beene deposed that it was the like manifestation of his Consent to haue such and such restored euen as other Patriarchs often did So that your Proofe fayleth in Two maine points 1. You produce no one Example wherein it can appeare that the Pope could either Institute Confirme Depose or Restore any such Bishop by his owne Authority alone without the helpe of a Councell 2. That infinite Examples are Recorded of Bishops Metropolitans and Patriarchs which haue beene Instituted Deposed and Restored without the Consent of the Bishop of Rome Your Cardinall himselfe foreseeing thus much seeketh to preuent it by a Second Opposition Although saith he the Pope did not himselfe Confirme all other Remote Bishops
yet hee might allow that power vnto other Patriarkes and Primates as it seemeth hee did some-where Marke Hee might that is to say peraduenture hee did and As it seemeth which is as if hee had said It is but probable Doe you not see with what rotten Timber this your Master-builder frameth the Arch-pillar of your Romane Faith and with what vntempered morter hee daubeth it when hee hath done Notwithstanding it be without all Peraduenture that if wee must beleeue Pope Agapet There was not from the Ascention of Christ vntill the yeare 535. any one Bishop in all the East ordained by the hands of any Bishop of Rome before Mennas who was now so ordained by Agapetus Secondly know that your Cardinall to proue that the Bishop of Rome exercised his Authoritie of Instituting Deposing and Restoring of Bishops within the Bishopricks of other Patriarkes giueth instance in some Bishops which the Popes themselues haue challenged to be within their owne Romane Dioces as namely the Bishops of Thessaly of France of Spaine of Africke of Salonia and some others If any should take vpon him to proue the Bishop of Durham to be Primate of the Prouince of Yorke and to haue authoritie ouer the Bishop of Chester because he exerciseth his Episcopall Iurisdiction of Instituting Admonishing Suspending and Restoring Ministers within his owne Bishopricke of Durham were this tolerable arguing trow you Thirdly there is not a greater degree of futilitie saith Tullie than for any man to obiect that to which when it shall be retorted vpon himselfe he shall not tell what to say We shall therefore deale with you herein by the Art of Retorsion Cyprian as Primate of the Primates within Africke did as Pamelius witnesseth of him Institute whom he would within the Prouinces of the other Primates The same Cyprian Constituted Sabinus Bishop instead of Basilides whom hee had deposed without the consent of Stephen the Pope of Rome and after professed to hold the same Sabinus in his Bishopricke notwithstanding the dislike and as it were in despight of the same Pope Nor thus onely but Cyprian againe will bee knowne to haue Confirmed the Election of Pope Cornelius whose Communion both hee as himselfe speaketh and his Collegues and Fellow-Bishops gaue approbation vnto Besides Pope Gregorie the First vpon his Election sent his Synodicall and Communicatorie Letters vnto the Foure Patriarks viz. Iohn of Constantinople Eulogius of Alexandria Gregorie of Antioch and Iohn of Hierusalem with testification of his Orthodox Faith in beleeuing the Foure First Generall Councels And lest that you may thinke hee was the First Pope that sought this kinde of Approbation by such Synodicall and Circular Epistles you are to obserue with your Baronious how hee in expresse words confesseth that hee did this According to the ancient Custome of his Predecessours as was also obserued by the Bishop of Segouia in the Councell of Trent As for Excommunicating of Others this being but a denying to haue Communion with them other Patriarks and Churches thought it as proper to themselues to denie their Communion to the Pope as the Pope could by dis-uniting himselfe from them Else could not the Easterne Bishops among whom there were many Orthodoxe Capitulate with Pope Iulius to haue Communion with him but vpon this Condition that he should haue Communion with those Bishops whom they had ordeined otherwise they professed Contrarily to haue no Communion with him Not to tell you that Dioscorus did Excommunicate Pope Leo. Yea will you say an Heretike an Orâ—hodoxe It is true yet did hee this vpon the knowne iudgement of the East-Church vpon a Common right and abilitie in all Churches to denie their Communion to what other Churches soeuer that they were perswaded to deserue their dis-union Vpon which ground Mennas Patriarch of Constantinople Excommunicated Vigilius Bishop of Rome which though it were in an vniust Cause such as in the Papall Excommunications often happen to be yet doth it inferre this Truth that vpon a iust cause it was lawfull so to doe We leaue other Examples of Retorsion and come to the last Answer by Opposition of your owne Popes against you and such as were most zealous Exactors of all Rights belonging to the Papall Sea The matter standeth thus After the period of iust Antiquitie which we prefix about the yeare Six hundred after Christ Pope Hadrian the First about the yeare 777. writing to the Emperour Constantine and to his Empresse Irene layeth Claime to Two things First to the Temporall Patrimonie of Saint Peter Secondly to an Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction within some part of the Patriarkship of Constantinople which hee desireth them to restore to the See of Rome and he expresseth in his Petition the Consecration of Bishops Archbishops Fourescore yeeres after him succeedeth Pope Nicolas the First who reneweth the same Claime in his Epistle vnto Michael the Emperour propounding vnto him the Challenge formerly made by his Predecessour Hadrian and specially and by name hee setteth downe the particular Prouinces and Dioces which were with-held or as your Iesuite out of Leo Sapiens saith had bin pulled away from the Bishopricke of Rome to wit the Bishopricke of Thessalonica the Bishop whereof had bin but the Popes Vicar therein together with the Regions of Achaia Mysia Dardania c. wherein were the Metropolitanes of Thessalie Corinth Athens Nicopolis and Patarae But to what end maketh all this his Plea namely that hee might exercise therein as from his owne Authoritie the Consecration of Bishops and Arch-Bishops and to vse the words of your Iesuite moderate all things throughout all those Regions according to his owne Institutions and Ordinances And for further Confirmation of his Right hee pleadeth the Ancient possession which his Ancestours had held from the time of Pope Damasus vnto Pope Hormisda that is to say for the tearme of 154. yeares so that now they had bin aboue Three hundred yeares depriued of these Bishopricks Wee now hereupon demand Doe your Popes after so long processe of time require a Restitution of Right and power of Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction in certaine Prouinces Christian then doubtlesse all this time was not their power Vniuersall in All others wheresoeuer And furthermore the Patriarcke of Constantinople hauing Iurisdiction ouer the Metropolitanes of Pontus Asia and Thracia consisting of 28. Prouinces and your Popes making claime onely vnto Eight of those for the execution of their Ecclesiasticall and Papall power is it not euident that they outted themselues from all such Iurisdiction in any of the rest And what shall be further said of the other Patriarkships of Alexandria Antioch and Ierusalem Some of them hauing Seauen and some Ten Metropolitanes vnder them and were as exempt from the Iurisdiction of the Pope of Rome as any within the Patriarkship of Constantinople could be CHALLENGE NOW from your former Argument according to the lawes of a Syllogisme It must be thus
and Soueraigns therfore am I the King of those Kings Fourthly If you omit such holy men as addressed their requests to the Bishop of Rome such as were Theodoret Athanasius Chrysostome Flauianus not as to a peremptory Iudge but as to a Patron and Arbitrary Dais-man and one vpon whose Authoritie and credit one of them depending acknowledgeth in expresse words his reason to wit The integritie of the Faith of the Pope and promising to abide his award with the assistance of others and to be content therewith whatsoeuer should be determined relying vpon their iudgements so Theodoret Now whom one acknowledgeth to be his Patron and Aâ—bitratour him he denieâ—h to be his Iudge If we say these many Witnesses may be forborne then is there nothing at all said for the Necessitie of your Romane Article of Papall Dominion in respect of Vniuersall Right of Appeale Nay Fifthly if you will but obserue that the Popes which are most apprehensiue of Appeales to the Church of Rome doe not plead any Right from Diuine Authoritie but onely from Ecclesiasticall Canons and Customes so then for the Church can no more create an Article of Faith for mans soule to beleeue than it can create the soule of man your Article cannot be of Faith which wanteth Diuine Ordinance the onely Foundation of Faith Our second Discouery of the Vanity of your Pretence for Vniuersall Right of Appeales to Rome by an Argument taken from the Councell of Chalcedon SECT 16. ONE whole Chapter is spent by your Cardinall in answering the Obiection of Nilus Arch-Bishop of Thessalonica in Greece proouing Appeales to haue been as generally allowed vnto the Patriarch of Constantinople as vnto the Patriarch of Rome because of the Equall Priuiledges granted by Generall Councels to the one with the other In answer whereunto your Cardinall is so miserably perplexed that we shall need no other Reply than to manifest how manifoldly he is repugnant vnto a Generall Councell to euident Truths and oftentimes vnto himselfe as may appeare by the Marginals The Canon of the Councell of Chalcedon held in the yeare 451. standeth thus If any Clerke haue a Cause against a Clerke let him be iudged by a Bishop if against a Bishop by an Arch-Bishop if against an Arch-Bishop by the Primate or by the Bishop of Constantinople The question is what is meant by 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 translated Primate He answereth by allowing the Answer of Pope Nicolas that by Primate is there meant the Bishop of Rome False for the Canon vseth a Climax or Gradation from Clerke to Bishop from Bishop to Arch-bishop from Arch-Bishop to Primate or the Bishop of Constantinople Therefore doth the word PRIMATE signifie that which is expressed namely the Bishop of Constantinople and not that which is not expressed viz. the Bishop of Rome Yet be it that it pointeth out the Bishop of Rome then beware the Popes Head of Monarchie because the Bishop of Constantinople in this Gradation hauing the last that is the most excellent place he must be confessed to be iudged by that Canon Superior or at least Equall to the Bishop of Rome As it doth appeare in the like case thus A common Souldier is subiect to a Lieutenant a Lieutenant to a Captaine a Captaine to a Colonell or to a Generall shall Generall in this place be inferior to a Colonell But the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 saith he signifieth a Prince and therefore agreeth onely with the Pope who onely is a Prince False for the Councell of Carthage applying the same word to Priests forbiddeth that any be called Prince of Priests But the Councell speaketh saith he of Appellants that were neare to Constantinople False for it speaketh Generally of Euery Church as If a Clerke If a Bishop If an Arch-Bishop not if some certaine but whosoeuer But the Canon saith he speaketh of the First iudgement and not of the Last which is by Appeale Most false for the Canon it selfe denounceth peremptorily If any whosoeuer shall do contrary hereunto let him be subiect to Canonicall punishments Thus farre appeareth your Cardinalls repugnancy to the Truth of the Canon This Obiection is a Gordian Knot he could not vntie it with his teeth and now Alexander-wise he will cut that which he cannot loose These Canons â—f Chalcedon saith he Haue no force in our Church vntill they shall be confirmed by some Pope So he Why my Masters was not this Councell one of the First and best Generall Councells Did not your Pope Gregory adore this with Three others as the Oracle of God Was there euer any ancient Orthodox Father the Popes excepted that tooke exception vnto any Canon of that Councell Oh! you the Children forsooth of Ancient Fathers who can blow away three hundred and thirty Reuerend Fathers and Bishops with one breath But how should he agree with Others who in the third place will be found at variance both with Pope Nicolas and with himselfe Nicolas saith he expounded the Canon aright that by Primate was meant the Pope of Rome and notwithstanding for a farewell to this Obiection he saith that The Canon is to be vnderstood of the First iudgement Which euidently crosseth the Popes Exposition who granting that Iudgement to be there allowed to the Bishop of Constantinople Per permissionem and extraordinarily which Per Regulam and ordinarily he challenged to belong to himselfe could not but vnderstand the Last therfore the chiefest iudgement for Nicolas was one of the first vsurping Popes But your Cardinall that saith Pope Nicolas did rightly expound it if he would haue him make his Papall Iudgement for in gradation of Appeales the Last is alwaies the highest and most excellent to be the First The Popes we thinke would iudge him no true Proctor but a plaine Praeuaricator in their Cause So easie a matter it is for any that will be repugnant to all Others to be found sometimes contradictory to himselfe Our third Discouery of the Vanity of your Pretence of Right of Appeales the Principall part of your Romane Article out of Saint Cyprian Anno 256. SECT 17. SAint Cyprian hath bene often an Actor with others in our former Scenes in this he entereth the stage alone The Argument of his Epistle vnto Pope Cornelius is 1. His Expelling Fortunatus and Felicissimus from his Communion 2. Their Appeale to the Pope 3. His Preuention by his Letters to the Pope and his Reasons to perswade the Pope not to admit of their Complaints The summe whereof is comprized in one sentence which if your Cardinall had set downe sincerely without pulling our Wiâ—nes backe at the midst of his tale by omitting a principall part of his speach the very Sentence it selfe would haue on Cyprianus part decided the whole Cause concerning the point of Appeales to Rome For seeing that it is decreed saith Cyprian to Pope Cornelius of vs all and it is likewise both equall and iust
Appellants did imply that there were in Africke but few that would so much derogate from the Authority of the Bishops within that Prouince CHALLENGE HItherto haue wee pursued our Aduersay in his owne Tract who all this while hath beene but beating of the aire and as it were catching of Butterflies as you may perceiue For this matter of Right of Appealing or Not Right of Appealing being of that importance as that it must either make or marre your Papall Monarch and Romane Article of his Vniuersall Dominion ouer all Churches The Author Saint Cyprian being so antient in time liuing in the 250 yeere after Christ so singular for his learning and iudgement and for his Sanctity and Constancie in the Faith euen vnto death for the name of Christ so admirable a Saint we shall desire you to take an exact Reuiew of the Case and to iudge accordingly You remember that the Epistle is directed vnto Pope Cornelius a godly Pope but yet very timerous and some-what dismayed at the threats of Heretickes and Schismatickes whom therefore Cyprian laboureth to support and consolidate The very scope of the letter in that part thereof is to disswade him from giuing any eare or Admission vnto Fortunatus and Felicissimus both Excommunicate persons and already condemned by a Councel in Africke and seeking now by way of Appeale to finde redresse with the same Pope His Sentence containeth no lesse than Eight Arguments sufficient to confute your pretended Right of Appeales to Rome which we may reduce to these Three Heads The First concerneth the Decree it selfe the Second the Iudges the Third the Appellants and Delinquents 1. The Decree defineth plainely that It is vnequall and vniust to haue an Ecclesiasticall Cause iudged but where the Crime is committed But the Crime was not committed in the Romane Dioces Therefore it is ment that they ought not to Appeale to Rome 2. A Reason is giuen for this Because it is vniust to iudge where Witnesses and Accusers could not be had But at Rome out of Africke whence all parties must haue taken a long iourney both by Land and by Sea Accusers and Witnesses could not bee had Therefore Cyprian meant they ought not to Appeale to Rome Next here is the Consideration of the Iudges that had condemned these Excommunicates namely Cyprian and the Bishops of Africke 1. Cyprian telleth the Pope that Euery Bishop in his owne Dioces hath a porâ—ion of the flocke of Christ committed vnto him Which being vsed as a Reason to disswade the Pope from entertainiâ—g any Appeale doth conclude that therefore the Whole Flocke of Christ is not subiect to the Pope and consequently your pretended Right of Appeale to Rome is but a Romane Pigment 2. As the charge ouer a portion of the Flocke of Christ is vpon euery Bishop so in the discharge thereof Euery Bishop saith Cyprian is to giue accompt vnto God namely as Supreme Which againe being vrged as a Motiue to withdraw the Pope from intermedling in that businesse doth proue that therefore the Pope is not Monarch of the Church to call All other Bishops to Accompt and Consequently hath not the Vniuersall power of Appeales 3. The cause of these men saith Cyprian is already iudged and wee may not incurre the reproofe of leuity in giuing our Sentence heereby intimating vnto the Pope that though hee should oppose they notwithstanding must bee found Constant in withstanding him which doth argue that although Appeales from those parts were admitted at Rome yet might they iustly bee opposed against The last Head is the Obseruation of Cyprian his Taxation of the Appellants or parties Delinquent now flying for succour to Rome 1. He telleth the Pope Those saith he whom we rule ouer oportet non circumcursitare ought not thus to gadd about calling their contumacious forsaking of the iudgement of their Ordinary and seeking Restitution at Rome a Gadding and vagrant kinde of wandering which had beene a Contumacy against the Pope by Cyprian if Appeales to Rome had beene inherent in the Romane Mitre and Monarchie 2. Hee calleth them and their Accomplices that thus laboured an Appeale A few desperate Fellowes that thereby vndermined the Authority of the Bishops of Africke ouer them being Africans as Lesse meaning as hath beene proued Lesse than the Authority of the Bishop of Rome And would not your now Pope haue held this also a Contumely if he had thought himselfe such a Monarch to heare one of his vnderlings to call men Desperate fellowes and A few for acknowleging his Soueraignty and Monarchy by Appealing vnto him and thereby to signifie that there were but Few that would thinke this power of Appeales to belong of Right to the Pope of Rome Lastly he chargeth them that by this their Act of Appealing thus irregularly to the Bishop of Rome they did but thereby goe about Episcoporum concordiam collidere to burst the Vnion and concord of Bishops But the suffering of any one to make his iust Appeale could be no breach of Vnity betweene a Substitute Bishop and a predominant Bishop to whom Appeales doe of right appertaine nay it were an iniurie and sufficient cause of breach of Concord not to suffer such Appeales to passe and take place Therefore Cyprian alleaging this vnto the Pope as a matter of their iust reproofe did not beleeue that they could iustly Appeale vnto Rome Who is ther now but must conclude that as long as the Article of your Romane Faith concerning the Monarchy of the Bishop of Rome and Appeales vnto him as the principall note of his Monarchie shall bee examined by the Decree of Cyprian and the other Bishops of Africke which thus oppose against Them who as they say Nauigârunt Romam sayled to Rome by way of Appeale your pretence of so Appealing must needs be split vpon the same Decree as vpon a Rocke and suffer shipwracke Our Fourth Discouery of the Vanity of your former Pretonce of Vniuersall Right of Appeales to Rome from the Testimonie of Pope Damasus SECT 18. ABout the yeere of our Lord God 367 one offered an Appeale to Damasus Pope of Rome and receiueth this Answer In as much saith the Pope as the Councell of Capua hath so iudged this matter already that those who were next adioyning should be Iudges both to Bonosus and his Accusers We obserue that the forme of iudging Nobis competere non potest cannot appertaine vnto vs. Whereby we conceiue the Pope confesseth his no Right of admitting an Appeale after the Sentence and Iudgement of a Prouniciall Councell And we are answered by your Cardinall thus that Non competere in this place is no more than Non conuenire it is not conuenient because that when a Prouinciall Synod had iudged a Cause it could not be conuenient for Damasus to iudge it without cause And this is all the Answer which Protestants could by whatsoeuer importunity wrest from the professed Aduocate of your Popes which say wee fighteth against all forme and
Councell of Africke to haue admitted of the Appeale of Apiarius a Priest but not without a shamefull repulse giuen him by the same Councell for his bold vsurpation Which your other Cardinall could not dissemble For It is euident saith he that Zozimus did not allow that Decree concerning Priests not Appealing vnto places beyond the Sea So triumphant is Truth The Second point that your Cardinall insisteth vpon is to giue vs to weet that the Decree forbad onely the Priests and Inferior sort of the Clergie to Appeale to Rome but not the Bishops this he saith is proued by Saint Augustine who was present in this Councell and yet saith in one of his Epistles that it is lawfull for the Bishops of Africke to Appeale beyond the Sea So he yet so still as though hee were scarce able to report a Truth For Augustine in the place alleged doth not iustifie Appeales beyond the Sea to Rome but onely speaketh of one Case of Cecilian which was not a Case of Appeale but of Delegation by the Authority of the Emperour to the Pope and after to other Bishops as our next Discouery will proue As for Saint Augustine who was present in this Synod he was also present in the African Councell at Carthage assenting to that which was there concluded by the Fathers of that Councell in their Epistle to Pope Celestine wherein grounding their Caution vpon the Councell of Nice Your Reuerence knoweth right well say they that if they haue so cautelously prouided decreed concerning Clerkes of Inferior Orders how much more would they haue this obserued in respect of Bishops By this you may discerne the Logique taught them at Carthage by those Fathers arguing thus The Bishops of Africke prouided for the conueniencie of their Priests and Inferior Clergie to hinder them from vexatious courses and wastfull expences in the point of Appeale by sauing them from vnnecessary trauels beyond the Sea therefore they intended much more that they themselues should be freed Euen as an householder that doth compound with a Captaine in behalfe of his seruant to free him from being pressed for a Souldier doth much more intend thereby his owne freedome although hee make no expresse mention thereof CHALLENGE THe same Decree that forbiddeth that No Priest or Deacon shall Appeale to Rome out of Africke awardeth also a penalty of Excommunication vpon euery Priest or Deacon that shall transgresse heerein saying Let none within Africk ioyne in Communion with him Now then that we may close with you those holy Fathers who Excommunicated them that should Appeale to Rome would not haue regarded the Excommunication of the Pope if he should haue Excommunicated them for denying such Appeales vnto Rome This woundeth your Cause to the very heart For if those godly Fathers of that Councell of Mileuis did denie that which you accompt to be the Principall Character of your Article of Subiection to the Pope euen his pretended Right of Appeale as being Supreme Iudge if also by their Decree of the Excommunication of them that should but Thinke of the contrary they therefore doubtlesse would haue contemned the Excommunication of the Pope if peraduenture he had returned the Dint of his Excommunication against them Then reuiew againe your now Romane Article viz. The Catholike Romane Church and the foure pillars of Necessity whereupon it standeth to wit 1. Necessity of Vnion with it 2. Necessity of Subiection vnto it 3. Necessity of Faith to beleeue both these and 4. All these to be Necessary to Saluation and trie then whether this Councell of Mileuis haue not vnder-mined and ouerthrowne each one For 1. They forbid Appeales to Rome therefore they acknowledged no absolute Subiection vnto it 2. They Excommunicate all African Priests Appealing to Rome Ergò they held no absolute Necessity of Vnion with it 3. They Excommunicate all such Qui put auerint as should but Thinke it lawfull to Appeale to Rome Therefore they had no Necessity of Beleefe either of Subiection or Vnion with that Church 4. That which they thought iust in themselues to oppose the same they could not think Necessary for others to beleeue Except therefore we shall condemne at once Threescore Antient Godly Orthodoxe Bishops and euery way without exception among whom Saint Augustine was one to be depriued of spirituall life wee must conclude that your Romane Article is most Schismaticall and Damnable Our Sixt Discouery of the Falshood of the pretended Vniuersall Right of Appeales to Rome by opposing Two other Cases out of Saint Augustine SECT 20. NE quid nimis is an Aphorisme which ought to take place in euery kinde of discourse for enough is enough and Noli actum agere not to doe one thing twice is as necessary as the former You will therefore excuse vs if to preuent tediousnesse we referre you to that which hath beene already as exactly argued from both as the Cases themselues did require The first was the Case of the Bishop Cecilian The Second Case is betweene the Church of Africke in a Prouinciall Councell and Three Popes successiuely in the Cause of Apiarius The summe of both is this that because Appealing as hath beene said is a Remouing of a Cause from an Inferiour Court to an Higher the first Case Transferring a Cause iudged by Pope Iulius vnto another Iudge by way of Delegation proueth that the Pope was not by his owne place the Supreme Iudge The Second Inhibiting Appeales to Rome proueth that concerning the Right of Appeales in Africke the Pope was no Iudge at all Wherefore willingly pretermitting many other your Answers in these kindes of Disputes farre more friuolous and vaine than any of the former we proceed to that which followeth Our Generall CHALLENGE concerning your Romish Answers to the Testimonies obiected against your pretended Right of Appeales to Rome VNiuersall Right of Appeales is indeed as you haue said A most strong Argument for proofe of an Vniuersall Iurisdiction in any one that is truely inuested there in And as truely is the No-Vniuersall Right as strong an Argument of false Vsurpation to proue the No-Vniuersall Iurisdiction of Any that shall falsely pretend such a Right For as it is true that the Sunne is the Vniuersall light of the World because it giueth light vnto all other Starres and Planets so is it as true that neither Moone nor Mercurie nor any Planet or Starre besides can be called such an Vniuersall light because it hath not that Vniuersall power of giuing light to all others This Vniuersall Right of Appeale you haue appropriated vnto your Bishop of Rome and his See which all Churches Christian now not subiect to the same See doe as absolutely gaine-say Now commeth in your choice Champion furnished with the Panoply of learning and subtilitie as well offensiue to obiect as defensiue to answer whatsoeuer force of Argument made against all pretence of that Right But you cannot but discerne in his Obiections that he could
obiect nothing but either the parties themselues namely the Popes for Witnesses in their owne Cause or the exorbitant Examples of Factious and Criminall Persons Appellant in stead of regular and Conformable or in the Examples of some Godly Fathers that sought helpe at the Pope of Rome a power Arbitrarie for Iudicatorie or a friendly support issuing from the Estimation and grace that some Popes then had to perswade in stead of Authoritie of Iurisdiction or lastly a restrained power and that onely by humane and Ecclesiasticall Canon and Custome which is alterable instead of a pretended proper and Diuine Right Such we haue proued to be the vanitie of his Proofes As easily may you obserue that notwithstanding his Answers he furthermore lyeth open to manifold Exceptions For Anno 216. Restraint of Appeales to Rome was made by the Councell of Carthage Anno 337. a Delogation was made by a godly Emperor Constantine to Pope Iulius and transferred from him to other Bishops Anno 367. Pope Damasus disclaimeth all Right of Appeale to Rome after the Iudgement of a Prouinciall Synod Anno 416. the Councell of Mileuis denieth Appeales out of Africke to Rome and Anno 420. the Councell of Africke is as peremptorie against this pretence of Papall Priuiledge of Appeale Among which Three Councels to wit that of Carthage vnder Cyprian the other of Mileuis and the Third of Africke all African Councels are challenged by your Authors to haue bin within the Patriarkship of the Bishop of Rome and yet they denied vnto him the Prerogatiue of Right of Appeale from Africke to Rome Than which what can be a more euident Discouery of the Falsehood of your Article Wee conclude Either must 600. Bishops in the Councell of Chalcedon 87. Bishops in the Councell of Carthage 60. in the Councell of Mileuis 217. in the Councell of Africke and among them Saint Cyprian Saint Augustin who All may seeme to haue conspired to pull downe this great Pinacle of the Romanâ— Babel and principall part of her Article of Catholike Iurisdiction bee iudged depriued of Saluation or else must wee say and professe Cursed is this your Article of The Catholike Romane Church without which there is no Saluation And now haue we finished the Consideration of the Romane Church after her first Foundation in the Ancient ages thereof within the compasse of the First Six hundred years after Christ and Antiquity in Doctrine you know is of all humane proofs the best Argument for Christian Resolution This Treatise would grow into a vast Volume if we should proceed throughout all former Successiue ages we therefore rather choose for breuitie-sake to hasten to the Consideration of the Later ages of the Church CHAP. XIV Our Fourth Generall Consideration is of the Churches Catholike in the Last ages thereof manifesting thereby the Impietie of your Article The Romane Catholike Church without which there is no Saluation BY this Consideration wee shall be occasioned to giue Instances in diuers Christian Churches which professe not either that Subiection or else that Vnion with the Pope or Church of Rome as your Article viz. The Romane Catholike Church c. doth exact These Instances are of Three kinds 1. In Churches of Nations Remote from the Church of Rome 2. In Churches of neerer Countries wherein are the Churches of Protestants 3. In the Romane Church it selfe Our First Instance concerning Remote Churches not Subiect nor vnited to Rome is in the Greeke Church SECT 1. BVt First be it knowne vnto you that there are Foure Patriarkships Christian at this day dis-united from Rome to wit Constantinople Antioch Alexandria and Ierusalem the Patriarkes whereof haue of later Times their Ancient Patriarchall stile as thus Hieremias by the mercie of God Arch-Bishop of Constantinople Oecumenicall Patriarch Michael by the Mercy of God Patriarch of Great Theopolis or Antiochia Ioachim by the Mercy of God Patriarch of the Great Citie of Alexandria Sophronius by the Mercie of God Patriarch of Ierusalem and all Palaestina Whatsoeuer Christians are vnder these Patriarkships or in other remote Nations and haue not ruinated any Fundamentall Article of sauing Truth set downe in our ancient Creeds and are vnited vnto the true Catholike Head Christ Iesus our Lord by a liuing Faith all Protestants esteeme Them as true members of the Catholike Church and notwithstanding diuers their more tolerable Errors and superstitions to be in the state of Saluation albeit no-way subiect or Subordinate to the Romane Church And from this Generall Consideration wee descend vnto our Particular Instances For our more expedite passage and your expert apprehension of the Validitie of this Instance wee shall Methodically lay downe before you Fiue obseruable points First the Continuance of the No-Subiection of the Greeke Church to the Romane Secondly the Dis-union and Opposition thereof vnto this day Thirdly the Estimation which is to be had of it in respect of their Religion notwithstanding their said Dis-union from Rome Fourthly the extent of the said Greeke Church shewing the innumerable Multitudes of them and Lastly vpon these Premises a Manifestation by way of Challenge and discouery of the Iniquitie of your now Romane Article which pronounceth Damnation vpon all such as professe not Subiestion and Vnion with the Church of Rome I. The Continuance of the No-Subiection of the Greeke Church to Rome SECT 2. BEsides all that which hath bin copiously already deliuered concerning the Greek Church we shal in this place rest much vpon your Confessions Wherefore wee would First demand of you how many yeares you thinke the Church of Greece hath bin diuided from the Church of Rome as a Church distinct and not subiect to the Iurisdiction thereof Some of you indefinitely set downe Many Hundreds of yeares Whereas your Cardinall more precisely doth although in his indignation note how the Greeke Church opposed it selfe to the Latine in the yeare 381. in a Generall Councell wherein contrary to the likeing of the Pope of Rome a Hundred and Fiftie Bishops constituted a Patriarke of Constantinople and placed him next to the Bishop of Rome And being not content with this saith hee in the yeare 451. in the Fourth Generall Councell of Chalcedon by the Consent of Six hundred Bishops they endeuored to make the Patriarke of Constantinople equall with the Bishop of Rome in the Priuiledges of his Patriarkship All this argueth no Subiection of the Greeke Church vnto Rome And albeit some would scrape acquaintance with the Greek Church in the yeere 1549 at the Councell of Florence as though all then had become Subiects to the Pope yet vpon due examination you your selues finde the Grecians there to haue beene so farre from Subiection to the Pope that They would not permit him to constitute a Patriarch among them professing that they could doe nothing without the consent of their owne Church And as farre were they from Subiecting themselues in Doctrine for when some few points were propounded the Greekes answered the
the Romans but be it Ecclesiasticall power yet was not the necessitie of râ—course vnto it absolute and perpâ—tuall but occasionall for that time For Iraenaeus sheweth that he might haue proued his Traditions from other Churches Longum esset omnes enumerare Ecclesias c. but for breuitie sake he instanced only in Rome and the rather for the powerfull principality of that Sea in the preseruation of Originall Truth And remember this Irenaeus was hee that consented with the Asian Bishopâ— that were excommunicated by Pope Victor See abouâ— Cap. 9. §. 2. n Epiphanius Haeres 68. Vrsatius Valens Episcopi ad Papam â—ulium prosecti pro reddendâ ratione de suo delicto Ergò Papa Romanus Episcoporum Iudex The same parties that had columniated Athanasius and thereby as much as lay in them discredited the Pope who had iustified him asked pardon for their offence both of Athanasius and of Pope Iulius o Athanasius Apolog. 2. Episcopos eosdem à Papa Iulio Delicti veniam petijsse Et Epistolâ ad Felicem Papam Episcâ—pos Romanos in summitatis arce constitutos omnium Ecclesiarum Curam habere Of Cuâ—am habere see aboue Cap. 8. §. 5. p Dionysius Alexdrinus Is apud Romanum Pontificem accusatus Ergo Papa communis omnium in lex Jt is no extraordinary thing for one Patriarch to be accused before his fellow-Patriarch yet not iudicially but by Confederation that the guilty person be depriued of his Communion with whom the Cause is pleaded q Basilius Epist. 52. ad AthanasiuÌ„ tribuit Romano Episcopo authoritatem visitandi Ecclesias orientis See aboue Capit. 12. §. 4. after at §. 7. r Gregorius Nazianzenus in Carmine dicit Romanam Ecclesiam semper conseâ—uasse veram de Deo sententiâ—m vt decet vrbem quae toti orbi praesidet He saith not Ecclesia praesidet but Vâ—bs meaning the Temporall state of Rome Ob Sol. Although the Emperour resided at Constantinople yet was he stiled of Rome The Romane Emperour For Rome was after this time called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 i.e. Omnium Ciuitatum facilè Princeps Socrates lib. 2. Cap 11. Theod. lib. 4. Cap. 8. s Zomen lib 3. Cap. 9. Propter sedis dignitatem cura omnium ad Iulium spectabat singulis Ecclesiam suam restituit nempe Athanasium Alexandrino Paulo Constantinopolitano He did so pro posse suo but was resisted by the Easterne Bishops and reuiled Ibid Where Zozomen is not to be vnderstood to speake these words from his owne iudgement but from the opinion that Pope Julius had of himselfe For it followeth in Zozomen that those East-Bishopâ— expostulating the Cause with Pope Iulius did protest against him saying that hee had no more to doe with restoring Athanasius Excommunicated by them than they had to restore Nouatus Excommunicated by himselfe And the helpe that Athanasius had was not in the Pope absolutely but in the Synod t Chrysost. Epist. 1. ad Innocentium Papam Obsecro vt scribas vt illi qui iniquè egerunt poenae Ecclesiasticâ—rum legum subiaceant Ergò Papa summus Pontifex etiam Graecorum 2. Agnoscit Papae Paternam beneuolentiam Ergò patrem 3. Orat Papam nè mimicos ejus eijciat When the Generall Canons of Election of a Patriarch were broken well might Chrysostome seeke helpe of a Co-Patriarch Innocentius to defend the Canon so farre as his Authority would reach and to punish â—hem by Excommunication which was but only a Separation from Communion with his own Church And Innocentius himselfe confesseth Epist. ad Chrysost. that he would not restore Chrysostome without a Synod See Binius Tom. 1. and when he had done his best his Authority was reiected with scorne yet could Chrysostome doe no lesse than thankefully acknowledge his Fatherly care being now no Bishop but Deposed u Cyrillus Alexandrinus Epist. 10. ad Nest. Epist. 11. ad Clerum et populum Constantinop Nestorium dicit excommunicandum ab omnibus nisi intra terminos à Papa praescriptos se reuocet Et ad Coelestinum Num velit cum Nestorio ad tempus aliquod communicari petit ab eo Ergò Is administer Papa iudex Rursus in libro de Thesauro Debemus capiti nostro Romano Pontifici adhaerere See after §. 7. x Theodoretus Episcopus Asianus ad Leonem Obsecro vt mihi opem feras iudicium tuum appellanti Meaning a Subsidiarie iudgement not absolute Binius Tom. 2. Annot in Conc. Chalced. Sess. 8. pag. 184. Theodoretus Cypri Episcopus depositus tanquam qui Nestorianus esset exulate coactus ad Romanum Pontificem aliosque orientis Epiâ—copos hac de re diu multumque conquestus se vere Catholicum esse probans literis significauit in hoc consessu insâ—iterunt vt Anathema Nestorio dicerent sed in pristiuam fidem est restitutus namely by the Synod of the Bishops in the East y Acacius in Epist. ad Smplicium Solicitudinem omnium Ecclesiarum secundùm Apostolum circum-ferentes nos indesinenter hortamini Acacius meant not to make the Pope a Monarch by this because he alludeth to that saying of the Apostle not of Peter but of Paul that said I haue the care of all Churches and Chrysostome himselfe Curam Vniuersae Ecclesiae gerimus Hom. 18. in 2. Cor. 11. z Liberatus de Episopo Patarensi in Breuiario Cap. 22. Pontifex Romanus praeest Ecclesiijs totius mundi De quo Bellar. lib. 4. de Rom. Pont. Cap. 10. §. Posset Possit dici epistolam illam Vigilij cuius meminit Liberatus confictam fuisse ab Haereticis Liberatum autem credidisse falso rumori quem Haeretici sparserant And would he not be as well deceiued in this 2. This Greeke Author must bee taken in the Greeke sense of Primacy or Order 3. Iustinian promised to restore Syluerius vpon condition that he would cleare himselfe otherwise to be confined to one City Patarensis that laboured the Release of Syluerius did not oppose against this Condition Baronius anno 538 num 13. a Iustinianus Epistolâ ad Iohannem 2 quae habetur in Codice in primo Titulo Quae est Caput omnium Ecclesiarum If we should grant you that that Rescript is not Counterfeit yet He meaneth no more but Primus Episcoporum As for the word Caput you haue heard how common â—â— hath beene without any sense of Monarchy * See aboue Cap. 9. * See after at q. * See aboue Cap. 12. §. 4. * See aboue at t. b Baronius Anno 412. â—um 43. c Ibidem num 44. 46. d Jbidem num 47. Theophilus iâ— Sanctis e Jbidem num 47 Populi concordiae gratiâ necessitate premente ne Religionis res ex populi arbitrio penderet Baronius in the Margent noteth Cogitur Atticus restituere nomen Iohannis And Anno 425 num 19. Ostendimus Atticum coactum fuisse ab Innocentio Romanâ— Pontifice restituere nomen Iohannis And yet neuer produceth any place to proue it but this forenamed in Num 49. which speaketh onely
Church of Rome about the time when it was first erected That Saint Iohn his Faith did not conceiue the same Article of Subiection to the Catholike Romane Church c. SECT 15. NOt long after the same Time of the foundation of the Church of Rome did Saint Iohn write his Booke of Reuelation wherein he reuealeth that the Citie of Rome is Babylon according to the generall consent of your owne Iesuites and other Diuines directed not onely by the iudgement of Ancient Fathers but especially and inuincibly by Saint Iohn in the clearenesse of that Scripture So iust Cause had the most iudicious of Kings Christian IAMES our late Soueraigne of famous memorie to auerre saying This place viz. Reuel chapp 17. 18. doth clearely and vndeniably declare that Rome is or shall be the seat of that Antichrist For no Papist now denieth that by Babylon here Rome is directly meant c. Next that it signifieth Rome not onely as it was Ethnicall Rome in the dayes of heathenish Emperours by which mist many of your Doctors a long time gulled and deceiued their Disciples lest your Papall Rome might haue come within their ken but also noteth Rome as it shall be in the later age of the World the Seat of Antichrist And not thus onely but that the same Citie shall be burnt with fire A Truth so euident that your Rhemists who otherwise of all others are most bleare-eyd at the sight of any light that may any way make against Rome doe thus farre grant as to say The great Antichrist shall haue his seat at Rome as it may well be thought but others thinke Ierusalem rather shall be his seat But your Iesuites Ribera and Viega both of â—hem Spanish Doctors and publike Professors doe confidently auerre that They dare hold him for A MOST NOTABLE FOOLE that shall denie it as being a matter without all doubt So say they nor so onely but also proue it by conuincing Arguments 1 Because that the Text saith expresly of this Babylon that It shall be burned 2 They that shall then liue shall see the smoke of her fire and lament her destruction 3 Because the spirit warneth all them that are in her to depart Come out of her my people that yee receiue not of her plagues But there were then nâ— Faithfull in the heathenish Rome or if any were yet are they commanded to Come out of her for feare of being consumed with fire And lastly they adde to the euidence of the text the Oracles of Sibyl as it were a torch vnto the Sunne viz. that The seauen-hild Rome shall be destroyed with fire Thus farre your owne Authors not once questioned for this doctrine and although professing it in the fierie Region of the Spanish Inquisition yet not so much as an heire of their beards scorched therefore yea these their bookes are publikely allowed by the iudgement of besides others the Prouinciall of the Iesuites Marry yet the foresaid Authors lest they might hereby seeme to yeeld any matter of insultation to vs Heretikes as they call vs or hereby preiudice the Church of Rome they doe againe and againe admonish their Readers that this Prophecie although it point out the destruction of the Citie of Rome for her Apostacie from the faith by her Idolatrie yet aimeth it not at the Church of Rome or the Bishop thereof because the Apostacie shall be say they from the faith of that Church and Obedience to that Bishop Who though he abandon Rome and Rome it selfe be destroid yet is hee still Bishop of Rome So they I. CHALLENGE GOD himselfe by his owne example in his first dayes worke taught vs to diuide the light from the darknesse Thus then That the people of the Citie of Rome in the later age of the world must generally depart from the faith that whatsoeuer faithfull remaining must Depart out of the Citie that the Citie her selfe for her wickednesse and Idolatry must be consumed by fire seemeth now at length euen to our Romish Aduersaries themselues a truth as cleare as the day and that iustly as hath bin shewed But that to free their Church and Pope of Rome from the preiudice of defection and reuolt from the faith wee must forsooth beleeue that The Pope when all Christian people are departed out of the Citie and the Citie it selfe vtterly extinct shall still remaine the Bishop of Rome this we take to be as darke as darknesse it selfe We shall therefore call for a Torch for so you call Baronius his writings to discouer this darknesse He sheweth that The Church of Rome was constituted first by Peter at Rome where saith he his Pontificall seat or chaire was made of wood Then hee sheweth the ancient custome of Erecting Chaires or Seats for Bishops in their Churches placing them aloft and adorning them with ornaments where they did sit c. This was the originall of Episcopall Chaires and Seats so that Patriarks and Bishops had their denominations from the Churches wherein they tooke possession and where they had their first Chaires or seats Hence came the distinct Appellations of the Patriarcal Church or seat of Antioch the Seat of Constantinople and this now specified as they say the Pontificall Seat of Rome Albeit therefore that it cannot be denied that the Bishop of Rome being excluded from his Church and Seat is notwithstanding to bâ— accounted the Bishop of that people and place yet when hee is so departed from them that they are also departed from him so as there shall be no people in Rome professing his faith nor yet that Seat which is the Citie of Rome extant at all but wholly consumed with fire then to be called the Bishop of the Church or Seat of Rome is but a man in the moone and Titulus sine re namely as it is written of Hierusalem How is that faithfull Citie become a whore The Citie is called faithfull not as being now faithfull but onely because it had bin so Saint Paul in his Inscriptions to diuers Churches taketh their denominations from the places where the faithfull Professors were thus To the Churches of Galatia To the Church of God in Corinth and elsewhere to shew that the Church rather doth consist in the Professors then in the places and omitting the name of Church he doth mention onely the Persons To the Saints at Colosse and faithfull brethren in Christ To all the Saints in Christ at Philippi and also for Rome To them at Rome beloued of God called Saints And must wee notwithstanding conceit of a Bishop of a Church of Rome wherein there is neither people professing nor place of profession As if they should call one the Shepheard of Vtopia where there is neither Sheepe in the Countrey nor Countrey for Sheepe except 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 should be the Shepheard and they speak the language of Babel where None shall heare Nothing of Nobody at all