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A08562	A manuell or briefe volume of controuersies of religion betweene the Protestants and the Papists wherein the arguments of both sides are briefely set downe, and the aduersaries sophismes are plainely refuted. Written in Latine in a briefe and perspicuous method by Lucas Osiander, and now Englished with some additions and corrections.; Enchiridion controversiarum. English	Osiander, Lucas, 1571-1638.	1606 (1606)	STC 18880; ESTC S101908	177,466	558

Anna c. He is not a Iewe which is one outward neither is that Circumcision which is outward in the flesh But he is a Iewe which is one within and the circumcision is of the hart whose praise is not of mē but of God Rom. 2 28 29. Now how God in the time of Poperie the publick Ministerie of the word being corrupted had his inuisible Church is thus declared There were a cōpany of baptized Infants which were a great part of the Church but Note By this declaration it appeares t●at we doe not condemne our godly ancestours who liued in the time of Poperie the Church was neuer at any time without baptized children seeing that Baptisme euen vnder the raigne of Antichrist remained in the Church There were alwaies godly intelligēt mē which gaine-said the Pope sometimes open●y sometimes secretly See the booke inti●uled Catal●gus testium veritatis and those who gaine-said him had them which appro●ed their iudgement although by reason of the tyrannie of the Bishops of Rome they durst not openly make profession thereof There were also many simple men whose harts were more pure thā were the mouthes of their teachers The simpler sort had the chiefe fundamentall points of Christian Religion in the Lords praier the Creede and the ten Commaundements whereby they might bee instructed to a true faith a right inuocating of God and an holy life They heard the Passion of Christ read out of the stories of the Euangelists as also the rehearsing of the Gospels They might therfore out of the text neglecting the glosses of their Preachers learn those things which are necessarie to saluation They confirmed their faith by receauing the holy Supper of the Lord which though it was maimed of the one kinde the cup being quite taken frō them yet were not they in fault who were cōstrained to endure that tyrannie The Masse and other idolatrous seruice by the speciall prouidence of God were celebrated in the Latine tongue for which cause the Lay people were the lesse partakers of their idolatrie which vnderstoode not what was done They had Christ the foundation It is credible therefore that in their agonie the stubble that was built vpon the foundation was consumed but thēselues saued as it were by the fire of tentation tribulation 1 Cor. 3. Contrariwise our Aduersaries reason 1 Yee are the light of the World a City that Note 〈◊〉 this 〈◊〉 our Aduersaries should proue that the church is onely visible but they proue nothing els but that the church is visible which is not questioned is set on an hill cannot be hid also no man lighteth a candle and putteth it vnder a bushell c. Mat. 5 14 15. therefore the Church is visible Ans 1. I graunt the whole reason if by the Church be meant the externall publick Ministerie 2 It is a fallacie from that which is spoken in some respect to the same taken absolutely for in that the Church is said to be visible that is true in some respect onely that is not in respect of the inward man but of the outward publick Ministerie 2 That the Church is visible and that the Church is inuisible be contradictories therefore if it be granted that the Church is visible the inuisible is ouerthrowne Ans Contradictions are not vnlesse they be spoken of the same things and in the same respect but that Church is called visible in one respect and inuisible in another for it is visible in respect of the externall companie of them that heare the Word and vse the Sacraments but it is inuisible in respect of the inward man and true faith which is knowne to God alone as before I said 3 Vnlesse the Church bee visible there will not bee an apparent and free accesse to the Church for any man which ought notwithstanding continually to be so Answer 1. There is an equiuocation in the worde Church First it is taken for the publick Ministerie of the Word and Sacraments and so I grant the whole reason Secondly it is taken for those which doe truly beleeue the Word and rightly vse the Sacraments and so the conclusion is to be denied 2 By that which hath beene sai● it appeareth that the Antecedent speaketh of the former the consequent of the later acceptiō of the Church and so there bee foure termes in the Syllogisme 4 Christ bids vs heare the Church Matthew 18. Which if it bee inuisible cannot bee found out Answer 1. I answere to this reason as to the former 2 Our Aduersaries haue more in the conclusion than in the premisses For thus much followeth that there is a certaine visible church or that in some meaning the church is visible but that there is onely a visible Church there is neuer a word in the place cited 5 The Fathers did oppose the authoritie of the visible Church against Heretikes therefore there must needes be a visible Church Ans 1. It is a fallacie supposing that for a cause which is not For they did not oppose the authority of the Church against the Heritikes for that it was either visible or inuisible but because at that time it preserued the sacred bookes and the sincere profession of the Doctrine 2 Neither did the Fathers seeke to represse the Heritikes by the onely authoritie of the Church but stroue against them with the authoritie of the Scripture Question 3. Whether the Church may erre Our Aduersaries denie it hoping that if it appeare as in truth it doth that the Church in ancient times was at Rome and if that the Church cannot erre that they shall easily without any adoe free themselues from all crime of falshoode by the bare name of the Church being free from all errour But we denie it for these reasons Because the promises of preseruing the purity of the Church are conditionall and not absolute as if yee continue in my word yee are verily my Disciples Ioh 8. 31. Because where the thing doth testifie the contrarie there no plea hath place But we haue examples ready at hand both in the olde and new Testament that the Church hath erred 1. The Church of the olde Testament a● concerning the publick Ministerie hath often erred as in the Wildernes when i● worshipped the Calfe in the time of the Iudges it oftentimes fell away from the true seruice of God The like happene● vnder the gouernment of King Ahab i● the time of Ieremie and of Christs comming in the flesh 2. In the new Testament the Church erred 1 In the Church of Corinth many doubted of the Resurrection of the dead 2 The Galathians swarued from the Apostolick doctrine of Paul in the article of Iustification 3 The Church of Pergamus fauoured the Nicholaitans Reuelation 2 15. 3. At this day the Church of Rome doth erre in many things which hereafter shall be made to appeare as cleare as the noon day The particular members of the Church are not free from error as it is plaine that Peter

to the examples not the praiers of the saints whether euer God doe vse to afflict his saints so but here is nothing of intercession 3 Moreouer our Aduersaries confesse that there was no in●ocatiō of saints in the olde Testament 11 If there shall be an Angell speaking for him one of a 1000. to declare the righteousnes of man the Lord will haue mercy vpō him Iob 33 23 24. Ans 1. The Translation is bad which should be thus according to the hebrue verity If there be an Angel or messenger or prophe● with him an interpreter one of a thousand who may declare vnto man his righteousnes thē he wil haue mercy on him c. that is if he who is corrected of the Lord for his sin be admonished by an Angel or a faithfull prophet of the Lord of his righteousnes either of the Lords how iustly he punisheth him or of his own what he ought to do to amend his life he shall obtaine mercy Therefore this place is nothing at all to the purpose 12 Intercessions are commanded and approued of in the Church 1 Tim 2 1. Iam 5 14 c Paul desireth intercession Rom 15 30 Colos 4 3. Abraham prayeth for Abimelech Gen 20 17. The Lord biddeth Iobs friends to require his intercession Iob 42 8. Ans 1 To argue from the liuing to the deade i● to make foure termes 2 If the Saints pray neuer so much in generall for the Church yet they are not therefore to bee worshipped And whereas it standeth with reason that the Angells do pray for the Paul did not worsl●p or p●ay ●nto the Ro●●ans church yet they would not suffer themselues to be worshipped Reuel 19 10. 22. 8. 9. 3. To desire the prayers of other men aliue and to pray vnto are things very different 4 And it is a farre different thing to ioyne the prayers of manie men together whose prayers they beeing aliue we desire that the praier may be the stronger that is I say much different frō directing our praiers vnto them 13 The Saints departed are sayd to be aequall vnto the Angels Luke 20 36 But Angels doo from God know things present and things to come Therefore the Saints know the same also and so they know our prayers Ans 1 Christ maketh the comparison betweene the blessed Saints and Angels not in respect of their offices but in respect of thei● glorification and state of life in the other World wherein they shall haue no need of Matrimonie It is then a fallacie from a thing spoken but in part and some respect to the same taken absolutely 2 The office of Angells is to bee ministring spirits by reason Heb 1 of this office God doth many times reueale to the Angels things present things to come but neither dooth hee reueale all things nor alwaies Now because this office is neuer in Scripture giuen to the blessed soules departed doubtlesse the cause of this speciall reuelation beeing denied both the necessity and certaintie of their knowing our prayers and so of our praying vnto them is denyed 14 Elizeus though hee was absent yet by the spirit knew the actions of Gehazi 2 King 5 26. So the Saints in the spirit may know our praiers and our estate Ans Of pure particles nothing followeth Elizeus being absent saw the actions of Gehazi Therefore the Saints heare and see al things that are done vpon earth What foolery is this For it is neuer sayde in the Scripture that the deade doe in the spirit know our affaires as Elizaeus being aliue did know the deedes of Gehazi and that in a miraculous manner 15 The Saints do pray for the Church Reuel 5 8. and 8 3. Answer 1. In that vision it is not certaine that the speach is onely of the prayers of the Saints departed but in generall the praiers of the Church are pourtraied out by the 24. Elders 2. It is graunted that the Church triumphant doth in generall pray for the militant but that they do in particular pray for certaine and definite members thereof the Scripture sayth nothing of it 3 Neither is there any mention made of inuocation of Saints in the places cited Reuel 5 8. 16 Yea but the Scripture doth grant adoration to Creatures in their kinde As Abraham adored the Hittits Gen 23 7. Iacob worshipped Esau Genesis 33 3. Nathan did the like to Dauid 1 King 1 23. and Salomo● the King vnto his mother 1 King 2 19 c. Answer The Phrase is there a hebrue Phrase whereby an externall ceremony bowing of the body and ciuil reuerence is described but we speake of the inward spirituall affection deuotion of the heart Heere are therefore foure termes 17 There is one that accuseth you euen Moses c. Iohn 5 45. Therefore the Saints departed deale for and against the liuing Answ It is a figure called Metonymia whereby Christ signifieth not the person of Moses but his lawe 18 The rich glutton commeth not with his prai●● to God but to Abraham as to a mediator Luk. 16 24. Ans 1 Right We must forsooth learn the inuocation of Saints from the desperate damned soules 2 There is much difference betweene the parable of the glutton and the popish inuocation of Saints 3. These praiers got the g●utton nothing and so may the Papists speede 19 Onias and Ieremias appeared praying for the people 2 Maccab 15 12 13 14. Answ 1. The booke is Apocriphall 2 There is rehearsed a deame not an article of Religion 3 Wee doe not reade that the Iewes did for this dreame pray vnto Onias and Ieremias but they prayed vnto God 20 Heare now the prayers of the deade Israelites Baru●h 3 4. Answ 1 The booke is not canonicall 2 Lyra expoundeth it not of the prayer of the dead after their death but of those praiers which the Saints being aliue did long since before their death ●owre out vnto God for the preseruation of the Church 21 Miracles haue beeen done yet are done at the inuocation of Sainrs Answer 1 Miracles alone without the Word of God especially if they be contrary to the Word of God are not fufficient as God admonisheth that we should not belieue miracles without the word Deuter 13. 2 3 2 And the comming of Antichrist shall bee with lying Miracles 2 Thes 2 9. Reuel 13 13. QVESTION 3. Our Aduersaries denie that in worshipping images they doe commit idolatrie but the contrarie is proued by these reasons Let them Grāmatically expound the word Idolatry and they shall be able to make none other thing of it but a worship and seruice of Idols but that they worship and serue Idols no man can denie that hath but once in all his life entred into the popish temples It is proued by experience For they prostrate themselues before Idols pray before them adorne them they dedicate offerings vnto them light candles sigh vnto them c. And they worship one image of one Saint for example of