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A53575
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Ratiocinium vernaculum, or, A reply to Ataxiae obstaculum being a pretended answer to certain queries dispersed in some parts of Gloucester-shire.
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Overbury, Thomas, Sir, d. 1684.
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circumstances of Affairs as is evident from the praeamb'es of those Statutes and His Majesties gracious Answer of the 24th of February 1672 to the Petition and Address of the House of Commons as followeth C. R. His Majesty hath received an Address from you which he hath seriously consider'd of and returneth you this Answer That he is much troubled That that Declaration which he put out for ends so necessary to the Quiet of the Kingdom and especially in that conjuncture should have proved the cause of disquiet to the House of Commons and have given occasion to question his Power in Ecclesiasticks which he finds not done in the Reign of any of his Ancestors And he is sure he never had thoughts of using it otherwise than as it has been intrusted in him to the Peace and establishment of the Church of England and to the ease of all his Subjects in general Neither doth he pretend to the right of suspending Laws wherein the Properties Rights or Liberties of his Subjects are concerned nor to alter any thing in the Established Doctrine or Discipline of the Church of England The only design of this was to take off the penalties the Statutes inflicted upon Dissenters and which he believes when well consider'd of you Your selves would not wish Executed according to the Rigour and Leter of the Law Neither hath he done this with thought of avoiding or precluding the advice of his Parliament And if any Bill shall be offer'd him which shall appear more proper to attain the aforesaid ends and secure the Peace of the Church and Kingdom when tender'd in due manner to him he will shew how ready he will be to concur in all wayes that shall appear good for the Kingdom How expressive of Royal goodness and Heavenly Benignity and Compassion towards mankind is this gracious Answer which cannot but endare His Majesty unto all sober and Pious Persons of what Judgement or perswasion soever in Religion Nor were the Commons against the Indulgenee but the way and manner of it in that they immediately upon this pesâ—a Bill of ease for Protestant Dissenters which was sent up to the Lords But the differences that after happen'd between the two Houses about Jurisdiction and Priviledge with other greater Affairs of State hath hitherto obstructed its farther progress But to return to our Answerer who tells us That to repeal the Churches Laws would administer too just an occasion to the Papists to triumph in the ruine of it for what Truth or Being saith he could that Church pretend to That had neither Ephod nor Traphim no Order no Law no Liturgy no Bishop no Discipline It seems then in his Judgement all these in the Chnrch of England depend wholly upon the Ecclesiastical Laws although the Primitive Church in and after the Apostles time had both Order Law Discipline Bishops or Overseers without other Laws than what were Divine or of Apostolical Institution Though I am absent in the flesh yet am I with you in the Spirit joying and beholding your Order c. saith the Apostle to the Colossians And is not the good word of God a Law to all Believers But this Law it seems is perished from our Priest who yet we hope will not deny the Holy Ghost a Power without the aid of Ecclesiastical Laws of making Bishops or Overseers over the Churches of Christs Institution and such certainly are not without Discipline nor deprived of Law Order or Overseers nor consequently of Truth or Being upon the repeal of Ecclesiastical or the Churches Laws Yea God forbid the Christian Church should depend upon the continuance or alteration of these or those Civil or Ecclesiastical Laws which we see chang'd and alter'd as oft almost as we change our Governours which is indeed a consideration that ought seriously to be thought on by all the lovers of Religion and who have any regard or concern for the Truths of the Gospel and purity of â—hrists Institutions But says this Answerer we have now unanswerable Arguments to justifie our departure from Rome but if all our Laws and constitutions be laid aside and abrogated we should be just like the Israelites when they waged War with the Philistines in the day of Battle there was neither Sword nor Spear found in the hand of any of the People If then our Laws and Constitutions be our only unanswerable Arguments to justifie our departure from Rome and our only Swords and Spears to fight against those Adversaries an abrogation or change of those Laws and Constitutions would indeed disarm and silence us and might as well justifie our return to Rome as now our departure from it But I trust though this be Ratiâ— ultima the best Arms and Argument of our Answerer we have yet other Arms and Arguments to justifie our departure from Rome and fight against those Philistines But he now tells us 'T is none of his bufiness or intention to exasperate any mans Spirit much less to direct his Governours c. Yet he admonishes them to stand up in a zealous vindication of their own Liberty and Power and to provoke them to it upbraides them with Cowardize if they do it not telling them It is there neglect thereof that encourages men in their 〈…〉 Separations Disobedience and 〈…〉 provokes God to deprive them 〈…〉 Power and Authority with which be entrusts them and which they have betrayed and exposed to scorn and insolence of his and their greatest Enemies Yea tells them Histories are not barren of instances how God hath revealed his wrath from Heaven against those Governours and deprived them of the Honour of being his Deputies when their Spirits have been softned with sensuality and ease and they have lived in fear of their Inferiours who ought to live in fear of them Which is such a menace of and reflection on Authority and our Governours as none but this Bold and Insolent Answerer would ever have dar'd to publish He does well therefore to recollect himself and tell us He has proceeded too far on this Argument which indeed speaks him a Person so highly impudent and immeasurably malitions that as himself hath elsewhere said he is fitter to receive a confutation from the penalties of Laws and the Seutence of a Judge than from the Strength of Reason or Argument But he concludes in the words of indeed a truly wise and Learned Statesman That Herefies and Scisms are of all others the greatest scandals yea more than corruption of manners c. which being so all just and lawful means ought certainly to be used not only for their Suppression but prevention in removing the Causes of them of which there is not a greater than the Authority by some ascribed to the 〈◊〉 yea to particular Churches Church 〈…〉 imposing upon Christians in the 〈…〉 â—â—â—nda of the Gospel which is indeed as that Learned and Judicious Statesman says A wound or solution of continuity destructive of the Churches Unity dividing her into as
this Answerer That the not punishing of these is prejudicial both to Church and State the one being thereby over-run with Factions and Seditions and the other as wofull experience tells us with Schisms Heresies and Contentions But our Answerer grows pleasant and plays with his Reader in telling him Dissenters are persecuted to what the Primitive Christians were persecuted from viz. Their Churches or Publick place of Divine worship for Dissenters are not certainly persecuted to their Churches though some may account it a persecution to be compelled unto his There hath been and may be great difference in the Causes as well as Degrees of Persecution but whoever suffers in any kind for his faithful adhering unto the plain and undoubted Commands of his Heavenly Soveraign the Authorâ— thereof will not be excus'd because others have been more barbarous and cruel than they And yet that even these are not as bad as the worst may be ascribed rather to the good hand and providence of God and moderation of those in Authority restraining them than to their good wills or desires The instance he gives us of a Father's correcting his child and the childs crying out Mâ—ther is very impertinent here Parents may correct their children and Princes their Subjects but as the cause makes the Martyr so 't is that must denominate it either persecution or punishment 'T is Christ alone knows who are his yet thus much we shall presume to say That they who persecute him in his Members will not speed better at the great day of account than they whom himself hath told us shall be then rejected but for not visiting and relieving his poor Members when in want in sickness or in any other adversity Query XXVIII Whether since offences will come it be not every ones concern to be more than ordinary careful he involves not himself in that dreadful woe pronounced against those by whom they come Matt. 18. 7. Reply to the Answer to this Query QUoting the Text might have satisfied this Answerer That by offences here no more is understood then what our Blessed Saviour intended when he pronounc't that dreadful wo against those by whom they come and whether they be the persecutions which discourage Christians from owning of his name attending upon his Ordinances adhering unto his Truth or ought else that administers occasion to another to transgress any Law of God neglect his duty or obstruct him in a course of Piety and good works it certainly concerns every one to be more than ordinarily careful he involves not himself in that dreadfull wo pronounced against those by whom they come The Query indeed cautions all to beware splitting on so dangerous a Rock but chargeth none with running or driving others upon it Evil therefore be to him that evil thinks Mr. Baxter as quoted by him says very well That a Minister should not more fear offending his particular flock than offending the Catholick Church but this will neither justifie nor excuse his offending of either And notwithstanding this Answerer's hope he will not find a National Church of humane Institution to have that Authority over its Members even when it shall be determin'd who are so as a private Minister hath over the flock over which the Holy Ghost hath made him Overseer Whether Dissenters take no offence as he says but what they bring upon themselves by their own perverted Judgements c. Let them see too who are therein concern'd and must one day answer for it There is no doubt but it may and often does so happen That one man is the occasion of another mans sin and yet the guilt of him who sins not to be changed upon him whose action occasion'd it which yet hinders not but that many may likewise occasion others to sin for which they must be accountable And yet none sure doubts but that as he says in the enacting of Laws Authority is not so much to consider what will please the humours as advance the benefit of those under its Charge and Protection Nor can we have so hard thoughts of any in Authority as to imagine they should make Laws thwart or contradict those that are Divine Nor yet who takes or gives offences for as every one must give an account of himself to God so let every one look to himself and his own duty And as he tells us the day is coming when all mens Disguises and Vizards shall be pull'd off and their most retired thoughts and actions laid open and manifest to men and Angels 〈◊〉 't were well if all men had a serious and due sense thereof and so liv'd and behav'd themselves in the whole course of their lives as to convince the world they spoke as they thought and believ'd as they profest But who are they this Libellous Answerer accuses of charging the Church of England with offences and denying the Magistrates Power and Supremacy in matters of Religion as by Law declared These Queries being no ways guilty thereof for as they respected so they were directed only to such as himself who against the Doctrine of the Church of England and Principles of the Reformation require an Implicit Faith and worse than blind obedience from the People And `t is beyond his Power and malice to find any thing in them inconsistent with their receiving the Holy Eucharist according to Law who scruple not the lawfulness thereof And who are they this Libeller would have to Question not only the Kings Coercive Authority but the whole Ministry and being of the Church of England and accuse her Government of more Tiranny and Persecution then ever yet was objected against her by the most violent of her Romish Adversaries Not those sure who are against secular Force and Compulsion in Religion which is the utmost import of these Queries for then the charge will reach all those Reverend and Learned Divines of the Church of England before mention'd with most others of Name and Fame in the Christian World who have decry'd the same as Unscriptural and Inconsistent with the Precepts of the Gospel and Principles of Christianity and will indeed argue him to be the Person of that evil and depraved temper of spirit he speaks of Yet I agree with him That men Eminent in their Country and such as have a reputation for Knowledge and Wisdom might do more good by their examples than in this Age the Church can do with its censures or Church-men with their instructions But let him be assured none shall ever have a Reputation for Wisdom and Knowledge who give not unto God the things that are Gods as unto Caesar things that are Caesars Fear to whom Fear aud Honour to whom Honour is due And let him not deceive himself in thinking Men of Wisdom and Knowledge separate from the Church because they separate from some Churchmen of vicious and depraved spirits or to have Enmity against that because they will have no Fellowship or Communion with these it not being