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A47591 Light broke forth in Wales, expelling darkness, or, The Englishman's love to the antient Britains [sic] being an answer to a book, iutituled [sic] Children's baptism from Heaven, published in the Welsh tongue by Mr. James Owen / by Benjamin Keach. Keach, Benjamin, 1640-1704. 1696 (1696) Wing K75; ESTC R32436 280,965 390

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people_n who_o think_v they_o be_v thereby_o make_v christian_n and_o regenerate_v and_o so_o never_o look_v after_o any_o other_o regeneration_n or_o baptism_n that_o represent_v or_o or_o hold_v forth_o the_o inward_a work_n of_o god_n grace_n they_o answer_v they_o never_o tell_v they_o they_o be_v make_v christian_n thorough_o etc._n etc._n then_o i_o appeal_v to_o all_o man_n who_o have_v read_v the_o old_a church_n catechism_n in_o my_o baptism_n wherein_o i_o be_v make_v a_o child_n of_o god_n a_o member_n of_o christ_n and_o a_o inheritor_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n 11._o since_o we_o read_v but_o of_o one_o baptism_n in_o water_n and_o that_o one_o baptism_n be_v that_o of_o the_o adult_n i._n e._n such_o who_o profess_v faith_n etc._n etc._n how_o can_v infant_n baptism_n or_o rather_o rantism_n be_v a_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n 12._o