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A09441	The churches plea for her right, or, A reply to an answer made of Mr. Iohn Paget against William Best and others wherein the maine points of our present differences are handled and the principall causes of our troubles declared / published by William Best.	Best, William, fl. 1635.; Paget, John, d. 1640. Answer to the unjust complaints of William Best.	1635 (1635)	STC 1973.5; ESTC S151	93,797	110

owne blood This hee cannot indure this hee cannot read with patience against this hee proclames open warre gibes often at it and reproacheth every one that sincerely embraceth the same But let him take heed least for calling good evill Chap. 5.20 God bring not the woe in Esai upon his head As for the unreverend terme it self which hee giveth unto Christs instuution we weigh it not neither are we any more discouraged from the holding of it fast then were our fathers of elder time discouraged from embracing the Gospell Act. 28.22 24.5 1 Cor. 1.23 Act. 24.14 because the enimies of it called it schisme faction folishnes heresie c. It is reported of one Theodotius having denyed Christ that hee might not be blamed for it taught that Christ was meere man and not God So Mr. Paget in the case of Church gouvernment that his owne and other mens faults may not be seene in not using or submitting to it doth labour what hee can to discredit the same But whether the power which wee stand for be schismaticall or his Apostaticall I hope by this Treatise the Reader shall be able to judge 4. Hee saith I have bene injurious unto him in spreading ab●oad so many untruths against him as are before noted Answ 1. I had a just cause to doe what I did both for the truth sake and his owne too For first if every good subject be bound to his power to maintaine the temporall rights and Lawes of Princes whether it be by discovering of treason suppressing rebellion or the like Then much more ought all Christs subjects to doe what they can Rev. 2.25 to preserve the good estate of his spirituall Kingdome Againe who will not draw his brother out of a deepe pit or well if hee see any way or meanes for it The truth is Mr. Paget through Satan and his owne lust is fallen into many great sinnes and therefore out of Christian compassion to his soule I published the booke being confident if there be any farther course to be taken by me for his recovery this is it because now questionles hee shall see if hee will be contended to open his eyes his errours soundly and effectually refuted 2. Whereas hee saith our writings are untruths I say hee speakes untruely in it for there is nothing set downe there but will be prooved as in part I shall doe in this treatise and more I understand is shortly to come forth Besides I doubt not but Mr. Davenport will doe the like so farre as the thing concerneth him 3. Howsoever hee hath made a large discours in his owne justification notwithstanding hee hath not cleared himself at all in the maine things laid to his charge viz. promiscuous Baptisme and the authority of the Classis Yet hee knowes untill hee proove these two points to be lawfull our whole writing standeth firmely and effectually against him As for the many sw●ll●ng 〈◊〉 used throughout his booke in his owne praise In my understanding it had beene better Prov. 27.2 if some other had done it and not his owne mouth In the Olympicks games men did not put garlands and Crownes on their owne heads but waited till others did it In truth self prayse is very unseemely Hence in derision they say Hee dwelt by bad neighbours Besides such persons usually are least credited * Ioh. 8.13 and good reason too for the greatest boasters are commonly the worst dooers * 1 Sam. 15 13. Revel 3.15 c. As the emptiest vessels make the loudest sound driest things the greatest flame so those which proclame as with sound of trumpet their owne goodnes have most times least of it That I may be the lesse offensive in my words I will here speake to Mr. Paget in his owne Pag. 61. Certainly it was a want of modesty and prudency in him to make such disputes in his owne commendation For hee hath vainely praysed himself and wrounged us 7. Pag. 10. Yea in stead of clearing himself hee is more polluted His owne tongue defileth him And therefore his glorying is not good The fift thing wherein I am injurious in his conceit is to our whole Congregation to blot the same with report of infamous contention faction c. Answ 1. As they that stirre up warre and strife Iudg. 11.13 1 King 18.18 impute the cause unto others which lyeth on themselves so dealeth Mr. Paget with me For who hath bene the cause and authour to blot our Congregation with report of infamous contention faction c. but hee chiefly For had hee contained himself within his owne bounds not plaid the Diotrephes suffered the Church to have exercised her owne due power not brought in mens devises amongst us wee had not seene and felt the shame and misery which now wee doe And that all may see whatsoever infamy our Church lyeth under that it is come principally by his meanes I desire these things may be taken into consideration 1 The abuses from time to time done to our Elders that which they jointly doe if it fall not in his line hee termeth it an unrighteous law a bone of contention a rocke of offence In his Letter given into the Consistory 11. Mar. 1632. injurious to the Magristrate destroyers of the liberty of the Church ringleaders to faction c. If they in opinion differ from him then hee makes them parties and so disableth them from judging in the case yea professeth hee will not tollerate the thing I doe let passe to speake of his taxing them for insufficiency of his procureing the Classes to censure them Pag. 18.63 how hee rejects their advise and counceill For of all these things wee shall have a fitter place hereafter This onely by the way I say how sleightly soever hee thinkes of Ruling Elders notwithstanding they have a great place in the Church of Christ such power and authority as taking the consent of the Church with them they may call the Pastour to give them an account of his doing Yea and to depose him from his ministery If there be just cause although Classes and Synods take his part Let no man thinke that this is a new doctrine for our chief Divines teach it If any one * Protestat Kings supr pag. 15. Offer Confer pag. 2. of the Ecclesiasticall Officers themselves shall sinne hee is as subiect to the Censures of the rest as any other member in the Congregation If they shall all sinne scandalously either in the execution of their office Repl. to D. Downames defen l. 2. part 2 pag. 109. Discours of Troub at Franck pag. 162. art 65 or in any other ordinarie manner then the Congregation that chose them freely hath as free power to depose them and to place others in their roome And no marvaill if Protestants write thus For the Papists ingeniously say as much The * Ferus in Act. Apost cap. 11. Church may not onely exact an account of her

THE CHVRCHES Plea for her Right OR A REPLY to an Answer MADE OF MR. IOHN PAGET Against WILLIAM BEST and others WHEREIN The maine points of our present differences are handled And the principall causes of our troubles declared Published by WILLIAM BEST I. Thes 5.21 Proove all things hold fast that which is good Psal 119.128 I esteeme all thy precepts concerning all things to be right and I hate every false way At AMSTERDAM Printed in the Yeare M. DC XXXV A Fore-Speach To the Christian Reader IT was a seasonable saying of Nichodemus * Ioh. 7.51 standing in our Lords defence Doth our Law judge any man before it heare him and know what hee doth I make no question Well-affectioned Reader but thou hast before this time perused Mr. Pagets Booke and hast there seene many words tending to his owne justification and our condemnation Now the thing that I shall desireously request of thee is that thou wilt haue the patience to read over this my Answer to it And when thou hast seriously studied pondered and examined by the unerring rule of Gods Word all that both parties haue said in the whole caraige of this busines judge then as God shall give thee understanding Wishing thee by the way to remember what folly and shame it is for any as Salomon * Prov. 18.13 sayth to answer or give sentence of a matter before hee heare it There are some things which I thinke necessary first of all to informe thee off and that is touching the reasons why I haue set forth this Treatise Also why in the manner it is For the first to let passe the many insultations and exclamations which I haue suffred at some particular mens handes since his writing came forth as if every thing were true that he hath set downe against me I am oftē by name particularly called upon and singled out to defend our Iust Complaint made against him Besides accused of committing many untruths slaunders lies with other crimes little lesse then blasphemy and this not against himself alone but Magistrates Ministers yea all Reformed Churches If I should therefore under these heavie charges say nothing would not most men hence conclude that I am guiltie And so through my silence I should which I dare not doe dishonour God betray the truth and let goe my owne innocency Moreover I conceive that it lay upon me though the meanest of my Brethren to reply considering that the Booke of Complaints was set forth chiefly by my meanes Now my conscience for my part beares me witnes that I did the thing out of love towards God his truth and people and not as is falsely suggested of contention and a peeuish mind And I was thereto mooved the sooner 1. because the same was in many mens hands already and so rather publicke then private 2. We had waited almost a quarter of a yeare for answer but could not obtaine it although M r Paget was spoken unto many times about it 3. It was given out that hee had writen 12 or 15 sheets of paper against us and intended shortly to acquaint the world therewith when this report was brought unto me I thought it requisite having the copies by me immediately to publish them that so seeing hee would publikely write in confutation thereof men might truely understand what our particular grieveances were And these causes of great and good regard led me to doe what I did Of which more is spoken in another place Lastly whereas I haue had occasion to sit many times in our Consistory Hence I haue taken a more full and certaine knowledge of our common Ecclesiasticall affaires I mean observed the unfreenes of our Congregation and her subjection to the power of the Classis and in this regard as I know my self the better able to give testimony of the truth in the matters betwixt us so I thinke my self the more called to speake what I truely may in the just defence of my self and others For the manner of this writing Whosoever shall consider either the subject here treated off or the persons whom it chiefly respecteth will I thinke confesse that there lay a necessity upon mee to use the best meanes I could to haue it done unto some effectuall purpose But for my part I must confesse and so I would haue all men in all places to know that I am not in my self of the abilitie to compose a worke of this nature And therefore thorow my entreatie and desire others more able haue taken some paines for me herein both in seeking out learned Authours as also setting them downe in the places as they stand On whose fidelity skill and care I haue presumed the publishing of them to the world having this confidence in the person or persons that they will stand to justify all the allegations according to the end and use here produced And if just occasion be offered it may be they will adde some thing more thereunto As for the truth of the matter this I owne under my owne hand And to use here Mr. Pagets words for the testimony of this truth I am not ashamed to suffer that reproach which some lay upon me Though I have allready bene smiten on the right checke Preface yet I am ready to turne the other also rather then to forsake this truth which I iudge to be of great importance Yea if I were cast upon my death-bed ready to deliver up my soule in the hands of the Lord I should among my last words professe before men and Angels that the things here pleaded for by me are the holy precepts of the eternall God The reason why I haue not followed him steppe by steppe throughout his Booke but haue principally insisted upon two points viz. promiscuous Baptisme and the due power of the Church is because on these depend all our differences For if it be true as it is here prooved to be most true that it is unlawfull to baptise any infants whose Parents one at least are not members of any visible Church And that every particular Congregation is independent and may yea ought to practise Ecclesiasticall Government and all other Gods spiritual ordinances in and of it self immediately from Christ Then it will follow that our former protest is certainly true against him And so much the premises granted is by himself acknowledged for thus hee sayth If this Church be deprived of that liberty and power which Christ hath given it c. Preface If the Elders be deprived of their power in Government for the good of the Church If I have subiected the Church under the undue power of the Classis c. If these and the like assertions in their Booke he true then is there cause to complaine of the miserable slavery and bondage of this Church and of Tyrannicall government Then is there cause to commend and preferre the liberty and freedome if the Brownists which are not subject unto the power of any

nor spared not with the gunpowder of his fiery contention and reproaches to blow up with us a multitude of Godly and learned Ministers being of the same iudgement Howsoever I haue mentioned already some testimonies of the most ancient times after the Apostles downeward even while any soundnes of the Gospel did shew it self in the world Notwithstanding that this right and due power of the Church for which wee stand may not be thought a Noveltie as Mr. Paget jestingly intimates and so unbeseeming Christians to embrace it I haue thought it convenient to write some thing further herein that is to shew that the best approoved Authours after the Apostles are directly with us in this thing also affirming that every particular visible Church of Christ hath power to exercise Ecclesiasticall gouvernment and all other Gods spirituall ordinances in and for it self immediately from Christ And this God willing I will doe in order according to the times in which they lived To begin first with Ignatius who was as some ‡ thinke Euseb l. 3. c. 22. Pastour of the Church at Antioch in his writings wee find it manifested that it was then * Anno 90. the manner of visible Churches to come together in one place * Ad Philadelp ad Magnes a Trall to worship God having Bishops Elders and Deacons unto their Officers whom the people freely choose by voyces or lifting up of hands Is it not hence apparent that Congregations in this age were free and could exercise among themselves all Gods ordinances Tertullian relating the manner of Christian Assemblies in his time * Anno 200 sayth * Tertull. Apol. c. 29. They came together into one Congregation for to pray unto God for to reherse the Divine Scriptures and with holy Words to nourish faith stirre up hope and fasten confidence And they used exhortations reproofes and divine Censure Origen * In Iosu Hom. 7. Anno 225. writes much to the same purpose Such as were brought in the third place for sinne unto the Congregation if they stood obstinate by the iudgement of the whole Church were excommunicated from the body the Elders of the Church pronouncing the sentence Observe here hee sayth not that the matter was caried to a Classis and there first determined c. but names onely the Congregation and Elders thereof notwithstanding had there bene any such superiour judicatorie Assembly is it likely hee would haue omitted it and mentioned a subordinate and inferiour one Cyprian Bishop of Carthage * Anno 225 Cypr. l. 3. Epist. 14. 10. sheweth how causes were not handled before the Elders but the whole multitude without whose consent also no thing was done And speaking of calling to the Ministery hee sayth * Li. 1. Ep. 4 the people have power principallie to chuse worthy Ministers and refuse unworthy ones VVhat can be more full and absolute to our purpose then this Eusebius a Anno 305 testifyeth that the Churches of the most famous Cities were in their constitution first but one ordinary constant Congregation as Ierusalem b Eus l. 3.11 Ephesus c L. 3.28 Alexandria d 3.13 Hierapolis e 4.1 Corinth f 3.32 Sardis g 4.22 c. This being so then it followes that primitively they were independent and stood not under any other Ecclesiasticall authority out of themselves Athanasius often sayth that * Anno 330 Epist in pers ad Orthodox Eist ad Soli. vit dege Epist con● Nicae c. 9. Eccl. Hist elections excommunications c. according to the Apostles precept ought to be done in the publicke Congregation by the Ministers they taking first the peoples voyce or consent To these wee will adde Epiphanius Ierome Ambrose Cyrill Hillarie and Greg. Nazienzen writers in one age * Anno 380 Touching Ecclesiasticall Gouvernment these to this purpose speake Particular Churches may lawfully ordaine their owne Bishops without other Presbyters assisting them h Epiph conc Haer. 73. and among themselves excommunicate offenders i Id. l. 1. Haeres 30. To. 2. haer 5 In every Congregation there ought to be a Senate or Assembly of Elders k Ieron ad Gal. qu. 10. The power of chusing them is in the people l Ad Rustic Hill ad Const Augu. Ciril in Ioh. 20.21 these with spirituall bridles order men m Amb. Off. l. 1. c. 1. Nazia●z in Orat. f●r de patr c. VVhat more certaine then that the thing for which wee stand is here justified by all these Ancients They haue not writen dishonorably of the Churches of God sought to disable them from practising Christs ordinances subjected them to other Ecclesiasticall authority out of themselves But contrary wise acknowledged as the truth is that every particular Congregatiō hath an intyre jurisdiction within it self and so power liberty to chuse her owne Officers excommunicate offenders and the like I say without the approbation of Classis yea against it if there be just cause There are others besides which beare witnes to this truth viz. Augustine a Li. 1. c. 17 de doct Chr. Chrisostome b De Sacerd. l 3. c. 4. Basil c In Constit. Monach. l. 4.14 6.2 7. c. 35. Socrates d Lib. de Offic. Isidorus e Ad Eugen. Bernard f Conci Cart. 3. Can. 22. Nicen. Conc. 330. Concil Constantinop Anno 682. c. Moreover some Councells haue granted so much and Christian Emperours ‡ Distinct. 61. cap. Sacror Codex de Episco l. 38. 29. by their Lawes confirmed it Of all which it may be another time wee shall haue occasion to speake more fully Touching Reformed Churches If wee may take the Confession of their faith for testimony then surely wee haue their consent also with us The Confession of the Bohemian Churches * Harm Conf. ch 14 hath these words The keyes that is Ecclesiasticall Gouvernment are given in trust and graunted to the Pastours and to each severall Ecclesiasticall Societie that is ordinary Congregation whither they be small or great To this the Churches under the Palsgrave ‡ Publicke Catechism in the end of part 2. likewise consented For election of Ministers the Helvetian * Art 16.17 Confession sayth It is right when it is done by the Churches voyce giving and the laying on of hands of the Minister The Confession of the French * Art 30. Churches is the same so Auspurge ‡ Art 14. Also the publicke order set forth in these Low-Countries * Art 31. accordeth therewith The Synod of Middelburgh * 1581. hath these words Let the election of Ministers be in the power of the Church and let it be done by voyces publickely in the Temple The Synod of Tilleburgh in Nasovia determined the like as Zepperus * Polit. Eccl. in fine writeth There is extant a publicke order published in Middelburgh Anno 1602. agreeing with all the former