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A06697 A profitable dialogue for a peruerted papist. Or a little labour of a lay men tending to the profit of a peruerted Papist: namely, by laying open vnto him his ovvne errour, in beleeuing that the Church of Rome cannot erre. Composed in dialogue maner, as it were betweene a simple lay man, and certayne graue diuines, and published onely for the benefit of the lay Papist. VVritten by R.M. gent. and student in Diuinity. R. M., student in divinity. 1609 (1609) STC 17149; ESTC S103258 25,816 46

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the_o universal_a church_n here_o on_o earth_n that_o it_o may_v even_o now_o without_o any_o more_o controversy_n conclude_v a_o spiritual_a marriage_n as_o it_o be_v between_o faith_n and_o work_v that_o so_o we_o may_v all_o both_o true_o glorify_v thou_o in_o this_o world_n &_o also_o be_v make_v partaker_n with_o thou_o of_o that_o everlasting_a felicity_n in_o the_o next_o world_n even_o in_o that_o holy_a place_n of_o endless_a joy_n which_o from_o the_o foundation_n of_o the_o world_n have_v be_v prepare_v for_o thy_o elect_a 24_o elect_a mar●_n ●●_o 24_o by_o thy_o heavenly_a father_n our_o only_a god_n and_o creator_n to_o who_o with_o thou_o our_o sweet_a redeemer_n and_o the_o holy_a ghost_n our_o sanctifier_n three_o person_n and_o one_o everliving_a god_n be_v ascribe_v all_o praise_n power_n honour_n dominion_n and_o glory_n both_o now_o and_o for_o evermore_o amen_n finis_fw-la let_v no_o man_n deceive_v himself_o if_o any_o man_n among_o you_o seem_v to_o be_v wise_a in_o this_o world_n let_v he_o be_v a_o fool_n that_o he_o may_v be_v wise_a for_o the_o wisdom_n of_o this_o world_n be_v foolishness_n with_o god_n etc._n etc._n 1._o cor._n 3._o 18_o 19_o laus_fw-la deo_fw-la et_fw-la pax_fw-la christianis_fw-la glory_n be_v to_o god_n and_o peace_n among_o christian_n fault_n escape_v in_o page_n 5._o line_n 23._o for_o a_o principal_a read_v the_o principal_a page_n 12._o line_n 24._o for_o say_v he_o know_v god_n read_v say_v he_o know_v god_n page_n 24._o line_n 5._o in_o the_o mergent_fw-la for_o page_n 18._o read_v page_n 15._o